You Ain’t Special, So Who You Foolin’?: Duncs Suspended One Game

Well, it’s come down now. The Hawks will be without their best player this spring (at least since Game 4 the previous round) for Game 4 against L.A. tomorrow night.

We could sit here and wail about the inconsistency of the NHL and their discipline system. It’s an easy target. Keith earned a suspension and even a hearing that neither Dave Bolland or Matt Cooke got. You go back a year and you have Shea Weber and his Gruesome-with-Bugs-Bunny routine on Henrik Zetterberg’s dome not even getting that much either. Obviously, there’s not consistency or even reason. It seems that Keith got punished for the optics of his play, in that it was wide out in the open and not anywhere near the puck where it could be cluttered by whatever else was going on.

But that’s on the petty side.

While Keith’s play wasn’t as malicious as it might have looked, it was every bit as reckless. He might not have meant to hit Carter in the face, but when you’re swinging your stick wildly you’re asking for trouble, and that’s what Keith got.

While some may complain that it only punishes the retaliation and will encourage more antics from the Kings in the hopes of drawing more dumb penalties from retaliating Hawks, that’s been going on since the dawn of time. It’s up to Keith and his teammates to not respond to such tactics. Keith didn’t, and now he can look forward to every opponent trying to get him to at least momentarily leave his senses.

As for what it means for the Hawks, it’s a big blow but I’m not totally convinced it’s a death knell. Such are the Kings offensive struggles. Obviously, Sheldon Brookbank will come in. That’s an issue as that’s a right-sided d-man coming in to replace a left-sided one. How the pairs shake out should be a trick. One ploy would be to reunite Leddy and Seabrook, but that might be a lot to ask of Leddy.

More likely is that Hjalmarsson, even hobbled as he might be, will flip to the left side to play with Seabrook (they have before). That would at least keep Leddy-Rozisval and Oduya-Brookbank together, and those are pairs that have lined up for a lot of the season. But it robs the Hawks top pairing of a transition game, even though Hammer has been pretty tidy with the puck under pressure.

Most likely, Brookbank will see less than five minutes and everyone is going to skate with just about everyone. For one game, I think the Hawks can survive, provided Leddy has about as good of a game as a Hawk as he ever has and Oduya can reverse the slide he’s on. I know it’s asking a lot, but it’s not completely unrealistic.

For the power play, I would imagine Oduya jumps on one of the units while Leddy will take as much of the two minutes as he can. Whatever, not like the power play can get any more useless.

Keith’s absence will be felt on the kill, where his mobility has chased down a lot of loose pucks that could have been cycled for more chances.

Still, the Hawks biggest advantage is their forwards’ speed against the plodders of the Kings blue line. While Keith’s ability to get the puck out of the zone and up to them is a part of that, it’s not like Hammer, Seabrook, and Leddy have been totally incompetent with that this series. The Hawks will need a big effort from all of their forwards to help out on both ends.

Yeah, I’ll be watching from behind the couch too.

  • Fred

    I find this suspension absurd. If it isn’t worth 5 and a game it isn’t worth a suspension. He sat his 4 minutes, it’s not like he wasn’t penalized.

    • ahnfire

      I’m of the mindset that if Keith had gotten 5 & a game, DoPS wouldn’t have done anything.

      • Fred

        You’re probably right. In that case I would rather the punishment be meted out in the game it occurred in.

        • Paul the Fossil

          Yea that seems correct.

          And it _was_ reckless, frankly, and the league has for decades now had in its rules the principle that you’re responsible for your stick. That renders Keith’s defense that he only meant to hit the shoulder, even if true and I don’t doubt that it is true, irrelevant.

          If anything I’m slightly impressed that Shanahan had the nerve to make the right call here. Wish his doing that was something other than a random occurrence.

    • Skags

      I don’t know. He used his stick as a weapon. On purpose. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

  • Ingmar Bergman

    Ouch! This one hurts and it might cost us a game. I remember when they tried to suspend Chris Chelios for a game (or more) and I had a sleepless night.

  • Hi, I’m Bob LeDonne

    THIS IS THE WORST DAY OF MY LIFE

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Liar. I bet you it’s not even the worst minute of your day.

      • cliffkoroll

        You do realize that even during the worst day of someone’s life it is exceedingly unlikely that any given minute is the worst minute of the day, right?

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          How so? The minute after I found out Keith was suspended, for instance, would not be as bad as the minute following the moment I accidentally put an axe through my shoe.

          • DesertHawk

            Your anecdote reminds me of survival school…

          • mad-hatter

            Somehow, “This one time at survival school” doesn’t have the same ring to it.

          • DesertHawk

            Haha. We got told a story by our instructor, of how when he was going through his SERE Instructor course, one of the kids in his group axed himself in the face. Went to split a log and had the axe hit an overhead branch and then smack back into his face, basically crushed his Supraorbital Ridge, but he recovered and was fine.

          • mad-hatter

            Ouch. Shoulda been wearing a visor.

          • DesertHawk

            Or a helmet… I always hated splitting logs as a kid. I had an irrational fear that the axe head would come off and either wreck me or someone dear to me

          • mad-hatter

            I’ve never had to do it, and I always thought it looked fun. But now that you mention it, yeah, the axe head flying off is a scary thought.

          • DesertHawk

            There’s a couple things that I’ve done that the potential for catastrophic failure is always in my head when I do them. I hate putting air in tires as well.

          • mad-hatter

            Are you afraid of them exploding? When I was a kid I always thought that I’d accidentally pop my bike tires, and I kinda wanted to try it just to see if it would happen.

          • DesertHawk

            Yeah. My dad worked at the post office, and one of their maintenance guys, blew up one of the truck tires… his hand wasn’t exactly a hand anymore after the fact.

          • mad-hatter

            Holy crap that’s violent. Now I’m probably going to think about it any time I have to or someone else has to do that.

          • DesertHawk

            Most air pumps, don’t really have enough pressure to do it, and there’s supposed to be like pressure blow offs or something, it’s totally a catastrophic failure type thing, but it freaks me out kinda.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I have a friend who’s dad owns several tire shops and supposedly one tire tech was cut in half from an exploding tire.

          • DesertHawk

            Hnghghghgh

          • cliffkoroll

            Ah, yes. But what if you did it on purpose?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I may be a shoe fan, but I definitely think he did it on purpose.

      • Why
    • mad-hatter

      Run out of whiskey, Bob?

      • Z-man19

        Think like Bob and get real

        • mad-hatter

          Okay, but do I think like Bob first and then get real? Or do I get real first?

          • Z-man19

            Your option, but I would think it’d be easier to think like Bob then get real

          • mad-hatter

            Think like Bob. Easier said than done.

          • Z-man19

            Certain substances may be necessary

          • mad-hatter

            It’s the amounts of the substances that worry me.

          • Z-man19

            I’m worryd for you

    • BigCSouthside

      So far

  • Research Analysis

    Hopefully this brings out the leadership aka the Captain and Kane.

    • Ingmar Bergman

      Don’t count on it. I’m just saying.

      • ahnfire

        Oh are you from the future? Can you give me the lotto numbers?

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        You don’t think Toews and Kane have it in them to provide the leadership when it’s needed?

        • DJ

          I assume he’s not counting on results (say, two goals from Kane, or a three point night from Toews). He

        • Ingmar Bergman

          I thought that Messier, Chelios, Poulin, Iginla, and Larmer were good leaders. The Hawks could really use a Doug Wilson type in game 4. Getting really short on defense and I don’t know how long #4 will hold up.

          • jackattack

            The guy who won the Conn Smythe in 2010 and the guy who scored an OT Stanley Cup winner… They might be struggling these playoffs, whether there’s good reason for that isn’t really relevant… To call them out just seems silly to me if you’re actually paying attention to what they’re doing outside of not scoring.

          • mad-hatter

            You’re expecting a lot out of a guy that thinks Hossa sucks even though he has been scoring.

          • Ingmar Bergman

            I have been watching with great interest. What more do you want me to say. They both suck out there. What more do you want me to say?

          • Paul the Fossil

            Something that someone older than 14 wouldn’t be embarrassed by. But not tonight please, I have tomorrow in the pool.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Time Mug!

          • Jim A

            Some of us would prefer you say nothing, but I have a feeling that won’t happen.

      • mad-hatter

        You’ve been saying a lot lately.

      • ‘hawks58

        Is it any coincidence that you’ve been around only 1 week, have a grand total of 5 posts following the Hawks 3 wins, and now have about 50 posts the past 48 hours?

        I can’t wait until the Hawks get on another winning streak and you go back into your hole.

        • Ingmar Bergman

          I’m a Hawks fan. Through thick and thin. Sorry, if you don’t comprehend that. :)

  • Z-man19

    Forgot about the Weber thing, consistency abounds

    • Accipiter
      • Z-man19

        Fine ham mom

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        One of the few things that HAS to be among the finalists, alongside hockey, for the award show “Look, World, At What Canada Did.”

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        I would like some ham of truth.

  • Ingmar Bergman

    Well, look on the bright side … at least Duncs will have fresh legs in game 5.

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    I’m okay with this, actually. You bring up a good point, Sam, with respect to consistency in the context of other situations, but I agree, a stick flung to the head needs a game. Keith is a repeat offender with a previous bad head hit in his file, and so that factors in, too.

    We’ll do just fine. I think the Hawks will play a solid team game tomorrow. My sense is that it was going to be an extremely even game anyway, coming down to a bounce or two, so let’s hope those bounces are ours.

  • DJ

    He couldn’t hold his temper, and did a stupid thing. He gave Shanahan the opportunity to suspend him (whether you consider Shanahan’s enforcement arbitrary or not). He’s made his team’s task for tomorrow that much harder. He owes them a monster effort and performance for the remainder of the series.

  • Fred

    Find me Nick Boynton!!!!

    • cliffkoroll

      I’ll take the Accountant.

      #cantbeworsethanboynton

    • Shooter

      I want some shot blocking Brent Sopel action

    • Ingmar Bergman

      I think I’d take Doug Crossman about right now … definitely Doug Wilson (why they haven’t retired his #24, I will never know). A player I liked was gritty Steve Smith as I worked out with him in a gym in the western suburbs. Mike Keenan really loved his play and he trusted him. .

      Hell, give me Keith Brown right now!

  • Storm the Castle

    Moments like this are what Steve Montador was made for.

    • ‘hawks58

      That would be great to see Montador come in and play a solid game.

  • kcrvpn

    I understand your point about the pettiness of harping on the inconsistancies, but I am not sure I agree with it. Punishing only the retaliation, and only selectively (remember how Toews got whacked over the head in game two by a stick?) seems to encourage thuggery and meatballery. Shannahan isn’t sending any message and is doing nothing to actually help the players stay safe.

    So while it may seem like sour grapes, it does point to a larger problem with the NHL and how it enforces rules. Right now, its a complete joke that has the effect of encouraging Carter to make more plays that could, for example, break Keith’s wrist.

    • Z-man19

      You think Carter liked getting 20 stitches and some dental work? He will probably not enjoy eating for a couple days

      • kcrvpn

        But he will play. And it will encourage other nonsense like this.

      • kcrvpn

        And I should say that a suspension is reasonable for what Keith did. But in each of the three incidents Keith haters bring up, Keith was given dangerous hits with nothing being called and no supplemental discipline to the instigators. That level of inconsistency encourages thuggery and doesn’t do much to help keep players safe.

        • Z-man19

          I won’t disagree with that, however it’s not like Carter isn’t paying a price for what he did

          • kcrvpn

            I can understand that, but the price isn’t one that affects him professionally, and it served its purpose. He is now more likely to win a Cup than before that play; that’s not much of a price in my mind.

            Basically, the NHL is in thrall to its thugs. Punishing retaliation but instigation, punishment based on optics not rules, etc. It will continue to get players hurt until it gets more consistent.

            Keith got what he deserved, but Carter didn’t, the guy who whacked Toews over the head in game 2 didn’t, Brown didn’t last series, no one did in the Montreal series. That is a really big problem the league has.

        • zacked

          The perfect is the enemy of the good. There is no way, ever, that every single infraction can be caught. If Keith can’t live with the fact that sometimes people are going to cross the line against him, and they will go unpunished, without him retaliating, then he should retire or get counseling.

          • 1benmenno

            That is a good point. And maybe he should get counseling in any case.

          • kcrvpn

            I am not trying to defend Keith. He does need to be smarter, and the suspension is probably deserved. But Shannahan had video of Carter’s play and Clifford’s play from Game 2. He did nothing to punish either player for reckless and or delibertly dangerous plays. The refs on the ice called nothing on those plays. The message is instigation works, so keep it up. I don’t think that is good for the game or the safety of the players.

    • mad-hatter

      Carter didn’t deserve a suspension, and this nonsense between players getting chippy will continue on regardless if Keith sits a game or not. The Kings didn’t invent it and it certainly won’t end with them. Besides, these kind of actions are what Bolland’s done to make a name for himself.

      I think the real problem with the inconsistency in handing out
      suspensions is that this will sit Keith a game, but Bourque’s elbowing
      Conacher in the head or any of that nonsense in the Ottawa/Montréal
      series garnered nothing.

      • kcrvpn

        I disagree on Carter. He cross checked Keith in the head and then delibertly attempted to slash an unprotected hand. He did things that are both illegal and detrimental to player safety and got the best player on the Hawks team suspended.

        Why wouldn’t other players attempt to do the same, and why wont that lead to more injuries?

        • mad-hatter

          I’m not sure if Carter was actually aiming for Keith’s hand or just moving to swipe his glove. He also got Keith’s back, not his head. And while illegal, not suspension-worthy.

          Other players have already attempted to do the same, to get under other players nerves or push back because the energy is high, before this playoffs. This isn’t new to hockey. The confrontation in game two between Toews, Clifford, Rozsival, Fraser, and Crawford all had players retaliating against each other, and I think if the league wanted to be consistent than Clifford should sit for slashing Rozsival in the neck. The entire Detroit series was seeing how often they can cross check Toews and get away with it, which they did. Carter didn’t aggravate specifically to get decked in the face, and this is what really got Keith the suspension. Had he aimed for the shoulder or the shins, or even just used his fist instead of his stick, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

          • kcrvpn

            Keith probably did aim for the shoulder, though.

            I think we are just going to disagree slightly on this. What Carter and Clifford (and I thought that was against Toews, not Rosival, sorry) was dangerous, just like Keith’s move was. In my mind, you stop this stuff by

            1. Calling the penalties before they escalate
            2. Punish the instigators when they do something dangerous
            3. Consistently give supplemental discipline.

            Unfortunately, I doubt they are going to do any of that.

          • Z-man19

            I’ll agree with your last sentence, not that I disagree with the rest of it

          • mad-hatter

            Well wherever he did aim he didn’t do it well enough. Considering how many shin pads he hits, I don’t know why any of us are surprised.

            I agree that the league needs to be more consistent in handing out discipline, especially when deliberate elbows or shoulders to heads are involved, and referees should be quicker at calling off fights before things do escalate especially if they’re going to swallow their whistles in the playoffs. And Carter should probably have gotten two in the box for the cross checking, but I don’t think he should have been suspended.

          • kcrvpn

            The slash at the hand is what really bothers me. It really is the kind of play that can break someone’s hand, and that is just unacceptable to me.

            And the tornado warnings just went off, so I may have to step away for a bit. I think we are most likely just talking about a matter of degree, here, not a realy difference of kind.

          • mad-hatter

            Yes, think so. I’m agreeing with essentially everything else you’ve been posting, just not this specific instance.

            And be safe!

          • kcrvpn

            Thanks. The warning is dying in a minute or two and the local weather guy couldn’t be more contemptous of this warning if he was me and the warning was Pierre

          • mad-hatter
          • kcrvpn

            HA!

  • jackattack

    This has nothing to do with the Teeth suspension…

    If the NHL were the Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire universe, who would be who?

    Pierre McGuire would definitely be Moonboy.

    • Why

      Living in Canada, I see it differently. Person with profound sense of self-importance, penchant for making bold pronouncements and no head for strategy gets banished to a faraway land.

      That’s Viserys Targaryen.

      Also, if he attempts to come back, the people residing in his former home may attempt to kill him.* Stay in Bravos, Pierre McGuire.

      *Metaphorically. Probably.

  • roadhog

    Pierre “Just wants consistency” Let the games begin . . .

  • 1benmenno

    Would any of this have happened if there were women referees?

    • BigCSouthside

      You drunk already?

      • 1benmenno

        It’s like you can bead me like a rook.

    • mad-hatter

      No, because they would have been too busy trying to feel them up or flirting OBVIOUSLY.

      • 1benmenno

        Just another manic milliner.

        • mad-hatter

          Help, I’m being repressed!

          • 1benmenno

            See the violence inherent in the system (looking at you, Keith).

          • mad-hatter

            Well I didn’t vote for you.

          • 1benmenno

            Your mother was an elder berry.

          • mad-hatter

            And my father smelt of hamsters?

          • chidiver

            You can’t expect to wield supreme power just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

          • 1benmenno

            Watery tarts . . .

          • 1benmenno

            No, that would be RUDE.

  • BigCSouthside

    Still dont think its suspension worthy. I thought at the time he should have gotten 5 and Game Mis just because it was a fucking stupid move.

    There was no true intent to injure. Intent to annoy is more like it. Chippy play gone bad. I think suspension worthy offenses require the intent to injure. Torres on Hossa, Keith on Sedin for example

    Matt “Career Ender” Cooke hits a guy in the numbers from behind into the boards and they dont bother looking at it twice.

    • bannerman

      The NHL wants the series to go 7 games. Suspending Keith does nothing but help the chances of that happening.

      • Ingmar Bergman

        I’m all for conspiracy theories in sports, but this is a bit ridiculous. How do you explain the meltdown in Pittsburgh? The Pens are about to get swept.

        • bannerman

          there’s only so much they can do. They’re not fixing games by any means but they could have suspended Cooke for what he did (repeat offender etc.) yet they did nothing. The way they randomly pick and choose what rules to enforce leaves them open to these suspicions.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          I think the Pens are doing everything they can to win and just getting out-played. Shero even hired noted Mental Conditioning guru Meyer Wolfshiem to privately work with the Pens goaltenders and leading scorers before the series.

      • 1benmenno

        And yet another manic milliner.

        • mad-hatter

          RUDE

  • SAMCRO Outlaw

    I’m torn, I believe the suspension was warranted, even if it was from a piece of garbage who played for the blues & wings who was turned into a eunuch by the commish.

    My problem with the whole thing is once again a ref refused to do his fucking job, I know Walkom was working the game, but was he the one swallowing his whistle? Both players had their sticks up & Carter takes an ax man chop at Keith & nothing. If it was Walkom following them up the ice he should be suspended for the rest of the playoffs for allowing a dangerous situation to escalate & the lobotomy of a call he made a week ago.

    I’m still optimistic the Hawks win tomorrow if they stay out of the box. If they do the minutes won’t be so draining on a select few and it generally means the Hawks are playing their game. I think the Hawks find their legs again tomorrow & put a strangle hold on this series. GO HAWKS!

  • Ingmar Bergman

    Well, the bad news with the Pens being swept is that we are going to have to put up with Pierre McGuire and his rampant opinions for the final 3 games of the series.

    With Duncs committing a stupid infraction we can count on this series going 7.

    There’s something about Pierre McGuire that makes me want to walk a country mile out of my way to punch him. It may go back to what the Pens did to us back in 1992.

    • roadhog

      Rampant, good word.

      • Why

        CBC is once again useful.

    • HawkIPA

      Why are you so convinced this is going 7 now? It’s just 2-1, and the Kings are a very beatable team, even when they’re playing well.

      • Ingmar Bergman

        Duncs is out for game 4. LA ties it tomorrow and the Hawks win game 5, but lose game 6. That’s how.

        • VerStig

          Should I just not bother watching until Game 7?

          • Ingmar Bergman

            Do as you wish, but I’m watching the games. I’m a true fan (no bandwagon here). LA has a 16 game winning streak at home. There’s no way the Hawks are going to win that game without Keith in a place that’s almost impossible to win at.

            I see the Hawks winning a game 5 matchup at home, but again they will struggle mightily in LA (again). Game 7 at home? I like our chances there.

            If you would have told me at the start of the series that we would be playing game 7 at the UC for all the marbles against LA, I would have taken it in a heartbeat. That possibility would make all of our fans happy.

          • birdhead

            I didn’t realise you could play for all the marbles against a team in your own conference.

          • Ingmar Bergman

            I meant all the marbles for the series, not the whole shebang and the glory of raising the Holy Grail.

          • Steve S

            Some shebangs still have their marbles

          • Accipiter

            Wear a condom.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Well, technically, every game is played for all the marbles since every game has an effect on seeding, rosters, etc. DID YOU KNOW – the original prize for winning the last game of the hockey post-season was, in fact, Stanley’s Marbles? They were presented in what we now know as Stanley’s Cup, but were lost by a goalie from Cayuga, Ontario (well known for producing bizarre and/or undependable goalies).

          • Accipiter

            I’m thinking about the Hawks winning one game at The Staples Center, you know, the house that Kobe and Shaq built. That game could very well be game 4, you never know, that is why I’m watching, because I am a fan.

          • Ingmar Bergman

            I hope they win. You never know as they just might win tomorrow. That’s why they play the games! Go Hawks.

  • red palace

    “He started it!” never worked for me either, when standing before the Department of Family Safety (i.e. Mom).

  • roadhog

    Uh, we got a hockey game in Boston tonight.

    • chidiver

      Its been entertaining…very shoosty and chippy

      • roadhog

        Crazy end to end there. Boston spending some time in the closet tonight. Goalies are trying to hold it all together.

        • chidiver

          Both goalies awesome. Pens dominating the dot. Crazy bounces. Fun game, so long as you don’t have a horse in the race. My Pens fan buddies are dying right now.

          • roadhog

            This is definitely heart attack hockey.

  • roadhog

    Bolland’s BDAY today according to Doc.

    • BigCSouthside

      Hopefully someone gave him a great big box of give-a-shit

      • mad-hatter

        Someone should refer him to the Give-a-Shit Foundation.

        • Z-man19

          Solid hatter

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        Along with a basket of Fuck You.

  • BigCSouthside

    I sincerely hope this lights up a collective team “Fuck You Mode” that we all know is there and have seen before.

    They just need to be super fucking smart with the puck in their end/on breakouts and stay the fuck out of the box. Thats all it will take to ride out Keith being suspended.

  • Shooter

    Anyone hear rumors hjammer is questionable for tomorrow’s game? What happens then? Steve Montador makes his glorious return?

    • BigCSouthside

      He skated today

      • VerStig

        For serious? The thought had occurred to me… but that can’t possibly happen, can it?

        • Accipiter

          Remember Fluffy ?

          • VerStig

            Heh. #couldbeworsethanboynton

      • Shooter

        Okay last time I trust my brothers…down here in TX i dont get all the local chi news. Thanks for the correction!

        • BigCSouthside

          Yeah, Twitters all say he was out there, no indications of anything questionable

          • Ingmar Bergman

            Huh? That might be the most stupidest thing I’ve ever heard, but some of it actually makes sense. I don’t care about Bieber or Karsdashian, either. It’s sick that both of them might be attending the game tomorrow while I watch it at a bar.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Time Mug!

    • Steve S

      Aren’t we all questionable ? You could get hit by a bus, shot through the heart (and you’re to blame, you give love a bad name), fall in a black hole (not Kim Kardashian).

  • RyanMcShane

    I’d give Keith a game, too. Appropriate.

    The rest is on his teammates

    I’ve looked at the D depth charts. It’s winnable

    Because Crow.

  • Z-man19

    Wow, refs got one right

    • BigCSouthside

      Fuck, Ill start building the Ark, you go round up two of every animal. Gotta be a sign of the end times

      • Z-man19

        Screw the animals, I’ll get the booze

        • chidiver

          Well you can screw the animals, I’ll round up the tasty ones.

          • mad-hatter

            Are we allowing bestiality now?

          • DesertHawk

            We weren’t before? :backs away slowly:

          • mad-hatter

            …I’m just going to make some more hats.

          • Accipiter

            Mad ones ?

          • mad-hatter

            Mildly disturbed ones.

          • Z-man19

            I love this place

          • Ingmar Bergman

            This is the best site I’ve ever seen where REAL fans can talk the game of hockey. I love this site!!!

          • RWCrum

            I was about to say, I mostly lurk here, but I’m laughing my head off at 5:10 a.m. herein L.A. reading this stuff. By the way, I’m the only Hawk fan on my block.

          • Accipiter

            Hydrophobic hats, can I haz one please ?

          • mad-hatter

            Since you asked nicely!

          • Accipiter

            Woo hoo !!

          • Z-man19

            Could I tee that up any better for you?

  • Preacher

    Sam nailed it here: Keith is sitting because it was a wide open swing in the middle of nothing–about as visible as one could be. The inconsistency is infuriating, but….blah, blah, blah–we’ve done this all before. (Pretty much any time Shanahan is involved.) But what about game 4? Do the Hawks see this as a huge loss and play like they’re one man short? Or, do they get ticked off and “over” play–as in play that much harder to make up for the loss? I think the first 10 minutes tomorrow will tell us a lot.

    • Accipiter

      60 minutes may tell us the whole story.

    • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ PowrFwd37

      I agree.

      Completely.

      The only problem that I have with the suspension comes in the form of inconsistency from the DoPS.

      When you look at other things that have gone un-mentioned, with a video accompaniment, by BS (heh heh heh) then I call BS.

      What Keith did (even though I stand by my statement at the time that his 4 minute DM was probably sufficient, as he didn’t mean to hit Carter in the face) was an intentional swing, and it was pretty out of control. As a result, it was definitely an unsafe act.

      Consistency – I’m looking at you, Shea Weber, Matt Cooke, Officials – would be awesome but is clearly too much to ask of the NHL. Especially in the Playoffs.

  • chidiver

    Woo hoo! OT hockey in a game I don’t care about. No stress, just OT hockey.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      I care, I don’t want the Beaners sweeping.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    I’ve said it before, there’s a time and a place to get even. It’s not center ice right in front of the ref far away from the puck. Kieth is a repeat offender in this.

    Yes, the NHL discipline system is a joke, and because it’s a joke I suppose we should be grateful that it is only one game. Now let’s rally around this, screw our heads on the right way round, and win game for for Teeth.

  • Ingmar Bergman

    Is it just me, or is the Boston vs. Pittsburgh game turning into a bore-fest? Yawwwn …

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      I have been using it for the past 11 months to get me to sleep at night. OT period 1 and some warm milk puts me right out.

  • chidiver

    Epic game.

  • Ingmar Bergman

    So there you have it. The Beanies, The B’s, or The Carmines sweep it! Nice job Pitts. Next time bring a goalie, an offense and some heart.

    • The Doctor

      Not a sweep. Still a game left. This is hockey.

      • Ingmar Bergman

        Whatever. It still has to be demoralizing to be down 0-3. Not too many teams have come back from that huge of a deficit.

        • birdhead

          they didn’t all get swept, either.

          • Ingmar Bergman

            I for one, think it really sucks because Boston will get a lot of rest. They will heal, while we suffer injuries. Not good.

          • Accipiter

            What are you doing during the games that you are suffering from injuries ?

          • DesertHawk

            He’s a real fan… what aren’t you doing, bandwagoner?

          • Ingmar Bergman

            Huh???

          • Ingmar Bergman

            I’m not suffering from injuries, but I’m afraid the Hawks players might be if this series goes to 7 games, which I think it will.

            The extra rest for Boston will make the Bruins rusty, which is good, though. It’s hard to step up your game after a long layoff of 5 to 7 days.

          • birdhead

            Cheer up, perhaps the Blackhawks won’t make it through anyway. (although I too am rooting for a longer series in the East no matter who comes out of it.)

          • Ingmar Bergman

            You and me both! Totally agree, although I think this is going to be a sweep. Pitt has nothing left in the tank.

  • jackattack

    If I hear one more person say that Doc Emerick’s broadcast team sucks, I’m gonna go postal. His call is 100x better than the Strader/Pang team, who do this obnoxious analytical commentary which takes away from the game itself. Doc is the best cause he calls the game, plain and simple. Sure, Pierre can be annoying and Edzo can be presumptuous, but is the largely pointless blathering and missed calls of Strader and Pang better than that? Nope.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      “Pierre can be annoying”

      You, sir, have an unparalleled grasp of understatement.

      You are also correct about Doc, the one consistently listenable member of the NBC broadcast team. The Strader/Panger team have a tendency to pick one theme and hammer it throughout the game, regardless of relevance.

    • Ingmar Bergman

      These are all good points. Great points actually. Doc Emerick is the best in the business. Period. There is none better (sorry Pat).

      When Bill Clement and Doc were doing the games together that would be like sitting in on the Beatles studio recording sessions from 1967 to 1969. It was music to my ears.

      Clement and Doc were the best broadcast duo of any sport including Madden and Summerall. In fact, they made Madden and Summerall look like two idiot amateurs who didn’t know what the fuck they were talking about.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Well, to be fair, Madden and Summerall hadn’t been invested in the sport, whether playing, coaching or as a fan, for 35+ years and they also did not have tickets for half the home games. There are requirements for real fans and if you don’t meet those requirements, of course you’re going to sound like an idiot. Maybe those guys should be sitting in the 3rd level during the games so they can learn it (the game) from the real fans.

        • Politiva_com

          “There are requirements for real fans”…
          This doesn’t help hockey grow but I suspect the “real fans” don’t care about growth and only want a precious game/club for themselves, no “posers” allowed. Kind of a weird hockey thing. I don’t consider myself a real fan because I have only been watching for 4 years and not religiously (until playoffs) and I have been on the receiving end of a couple talking too’s for “sounding like an idiot”. Some day I hope to graduate from cleaning the shitter at the monastery of Hockey, and may rise to become a real fan.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Sorry, Poli. The sarcasm in my post is steeped in about 2-3 years of inside jokes that have happened here and the previous home of this fine assortment of internet hockey fanatics. Not many here respect hockey acumen based on holding season tickets or how many decades one has watched hockey or what level one played the sport or even what gender one arbitrarily ended up with. Some of those traits are fine attributes unto themselves (I’m particularly susceptible to the fairer gender), but none of them mean much of anything on the playing field of discourse. That you are seeking to learn more about the sport makes you as real a fan as any one. There are no rules or clubs or term prerequisites that mean anything as far as most of us are concerned.

            And there certainly isn’t any kind of secret society that meets semi-monthly in random meat lockers around Chicagoland and the location of which can certainly not be found out by decoding the headlines to the daily link posts. If there was, Badgerdano would be our leader and there would be a swimming pool (ok, blow-up kiddie pool) of Scotch and it would be glorious. But there’s not.

    • nextgame

      Doc Emerick’s broadcast team sucks.

      Please let me know where you will be ‘going postal’ so I can avoid the carnage.
      {I used to like Doc’s game calls until I started hearing them all the time. Now, after repeated listening, I find them boring and repetitive. It’s the unending, unchanging repetition of a few well worn phrases with only the player names changing from one game to the next. I’m sick to death of having to hear about the puck “rattling around”, or being “knived away”, or being “played on further”, or any of the other handful of well worn phrases that get repeated incessantly every game. These days I just mute the sound and watch the game action unencumbered by the inane blather provided by most broadcast teams.}

  • Ingmar Bergman

    Hey, Hawks fans, here is the Sports Illustrated cover for this week. Tap on the Kruger pic to see at a very, very large size. http://insidesportsillustrated.com/

  • Ingmar Bergman

    As a man who knows the game as well as me and has been involved with hockey for my entire life, I can say that this series really doesn’t start until the puck drops for game 5 at the UC. Folks, that game will be a must win for our Hawks as they have to win. Our boys don’t want to go back to the “House of Horrors AKA Staples Center” down 3-2.

    It’s one thing to be down like we were against scum and playing must games at the Joe, but “WINNING” must win games at LA is going to be an arduous and impossible task. Game 5 at the UC is a game you must mark on your calendars as a must see, must win game.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      As an existentialist that has been involved with the universe existing for the entirety of everyone’s lifes by the mere act of existing, and not having any way to prove that others actually exist independent of my awareness versus them actually being complex manifestations of my own disorientation and confusion from an imaginary and absurd world, I can say with the utmost authority that nothing is guaranteed up to and including the very next second of existence. BUT, either actual or imaginary, Game 5 actually became a reality as far as I can tell at the end of Game 3, and began at that point. Also, the Penguins are going to get swept.

    • ahnfire

      As a person who doesn’t give a fuck about your or anyone’s credentials as a fan, I can say that this series started on June 1st, as that was game 1 of a 7 game series.

      I don’t believe that winning games at LA is impossible. Arduous, maybe, but impossible is giving that place too much credit. The building isn’t magically deciding winners.

      • Ingmar Bergman

        I’d hate to throw in a golf metaphor, but I took the liberties in doing so. The line, “This series really doesn’t start until the puck drops for game 5 at the UC” was borrowed from the famous line from the Masters golf tournament at Augusta, GA, where the saying goes, “The Masters doesn’t start until the back nine on Sunday.”

    • Paul the Fossil

      Can we be done wasting time reading this fool’s drivel please?

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      You know the game well? Okay, quiz time.

      1. The player with the glove and blocker … what is that player called?
      2. Sometimes one team only plays with 4 skaters on the ice while the other has five. What has happened for this to be the case?
      3. Production on offense is often measured by points. A goal is one type of point. What is the other?

      You can go ahead and CLAIM you know the game well, but I won’t trust it till I see your answers. Then maybe I’ll begin believing what you write.

      • Ingmar Bergman

        Are you trying to be a sarcastic smart ass?

  • Black JEM

    Huge hit – and yes Dunc should not have reacted. He must realize that the NHL doesn’t care about the instigator – he was involved in the same thing with Sedin who tried to take off his head. Carter/Williams (forget who tried to break his hand) should be sitting as well. There is video to support it – but the NHL is a clueless organization overseeing a great sport.
    Hawks need to win tonight – a loss probably means seven games and waiting for a rested Boston. We all know the stats about playing too many games prior to the final. Tonight might as well be for the Cup. I hope we can overcome it but I am moving to the pessimistic camp. A hawks win in seven means a bruins win in 5 in the SCF.

    • Accipiter

      No, it doesn’t.

  • laaarmer

    If the referees called it the way it should have been called, the play NEVER even happens because the play will be blown dead when the Kings touch the puck. Carter should have been penalized for any of the following: Cross check, roughing, unsportsmanlike conduct. This is the real problem. Brown should have been penalized for spearing/slashing Hossa (instead Engblom says how good he is). It’s a fucking penalty! Call it. Same goes for Shaw and Bolland. If they do something, call the fucking penalty.
    Now, the penalty on Carter could have been called and Keith still could have high sticked him, got the double minor and suspended. God knows Keith has a short fuse when tired, but most likely, Carter just goes to the box and the Hawks blow the PP.
    Referees. Do your fucking job.

  • mazer_rackham

    The league needs to stop suspending for injuries and start suspending for dangerous play. It is insane that plays like this don’t get reviewed. If Rozs gets a neck injury there is no way Clifford walks free:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1oTWKHPmvI&feature=youtu.be

    • Politiva_com

      Damn you read my mind I was thinking of this play all day. i have been watching Hockey for only 4 years with any consistency but cant figure out why the whole disciplinary system hinges on the victims injuries. Hacking someone with your stick across the back of the neck is cool if the victim skates away?