Where The Cup Should Go, Saad, Other Thingies

A couple randoms while we wait for the draft to begin and the real movement to start.

-On Twitter this week, I’ve seen repeated calls for the Cup to be at Pride Parade again, as it was after the 2010 victory, brought by Brent Sopel and his family. I totally agree with this, of course, it would be a lovely gesture. I’ve also seen people just begging for the Hawks to bring it to any bar south of Roosevelt, and I get that as well. I think there’s a difference between where the players bring it on their nights out and where the organization has like, official visits or whatever. It would be great if the players brought it down to Beverly (I think I can think of one particular family that would be excited by that) or Bridgeport. But when they’re on their nights out and just looking to get drunk and party, it’s up to them what they want to do with it.

But you know what I really would have liked to see in the days after the victory? Rocky and McD bringing the Cup to one of our more blighted neighborhoods, like Englewood or Garfield Park (given its proximity to the UC and all). There’s a few reasons for this.

In no particular order, the Hawks just got a big spread in the Tribune about how their fanbase among black people is growing, though more steadily than rapidly. This certainly wouldn’t have hurt the effort there. I don’t know where the majority of that growing section of the fandom lives, but it certainly couldn’t hurt the Hawks to show they care about them–especially coming off the heels of them having to react so quickly to charges they don’t care about women at last year’s convention thanks to Casey Runthade (spelling? Sorry Casey if I got it wrong).

Secondly, one of the reasons Rocky has stated that he wants to build a new practice facility that would be open to the Hawks is he wants to make rinks and hockey more available to the whole city of Chicago. Well, here would be a gesture in that direction, no?

But mostly, we can’t avoid or ignore the clearly large separation of the north and south (and west, for that matter) of this city. That division is arguably the biggest reason, and certainly one of the main roots, of our city’s biggest problems right now. As a city boy born and raised, it basically breaks my heart. I’m not trying to argue that a visit by Lord Stanley’s Chalice to an often ignored hood is going to cure its ills or anything resembling that. But I think there’s value to the Hawks, to everyone really to show that this championship is for the whole city, not just one certain section of it that sadly Chicago often feels like.

Again, is the Hawks’ trophy and they can do whatever they see fit with it. They have no mandate or compulsion to do something they don’t want to. Still, there’s something a bit rough about the imagery of the Cup dining at Gene and Georgetti’s on a weekday afternoon and not anywhere normal people can even see it. I know, it’s just a symbol. And it doesn’t really matter. But I can’t be the only one who doesn’t like what that symbol says, right?

Anyway, just a thought.

-Right, back to stupid stuff (if the above wasn’t and I’m totally sure that it might have been). We still await any extension for Brandon Saad and Marcus Kruger, and the 1st is coming up awfully fast on the horizon when either could be offer-sheeted.

I suppose it’s folly to try and gauge what either could make, because it’s whatever the market would bear. If Saad’s agent think he can get a 5.5-6 million a year offer from somewhere else, then that’s what he’s worth. It would be a bad deal for any team that signed it, because Saad just hasn’t proven to be that player yet (yet), but there are certainly enough that just have to get to the floor where it wouldn’t matter to them that much.

To me, this isn’t all that hard. We have looked at a 4×4 contract, and it’s mostly because of Max Pacioretty’s contract. Patches signed a six-year, 4.5 AAV before last season. There are a couple differences. One, Patches wasn’t coming out of his entry-level deal at the time and two, he’d bounced back and forth between the AHL and NHL for a few years before establishing himself.

However, before that contract was signed. Pacioretty already had two 30-goal seasons under his belt (at least on pace for one in the lockout season). And he wasn’t spending most of his time on Hossa’s and Toews’s wing either. Saad doesn’t have any. They’re essentially the same guy, power left wingers (though Patches has shown more of a willingness to go to the net more often, but that’s getting pretty minute). I’m fairly sure that if Pacioretty would have played alongside Toews the past three years, he probably eclipses 45 goals.

Again, Stan can point to that when talking with Saad’s agent all he wants and the response will be, “That’s nice, here are four teams that are going to toss $6 million at my client,” and it all becomes moot. But when figuring out what Saad should get (in a vacuum), that’s a pretty fair comparable to point at.

Tyler Toffoli’s bridge deal also comes into play, as he just signed a $3.2 AAV for two years. Saad probably isn’t much interested in a bridge deal, and Toffoli really only has one full season in the NHL as his ’13-’14 was injury-filled. But Toffoli went 23-26-49 last season, and Saad went 23-29-52, and their teammates are at least somewhat comparable. I’m sure Stan would love to slot Saad’s number right in the middle of those. That would seem most fair.

Anyway, we’ll open a thread about 5pm today for all the goings-on, and I’ll be manning the Twitters for it all, and probably drinking while doing it.

  • Kissmyanthia

    Another guy to look at is Brendan Gallagher from Montreal.

    His points his first 3 seasons: 28, 41, 47

    Saad’s first 3 seasons(not counting 2011-2012 because 2 games): 27, 47, 52

    Gallagher’s cap hit is 3.75 million on a deal that kicks in this October. http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1116

    • I think Sam hit the nail on the head. It doesn’t matter what the comparables are, if one other GM says you’re worth 6M+ and is willing to put it to paper then you are worth 6M+ contract wise

      • mazer_rackham

        The thing is, offer sheets are more than just $$, they are $$ and picks. If someone signs Saad for $6M they are really saying he’s worth $6M and a 1st, 2nd, AND 3rd rounder. Only half of the teams in the league even have the right compensatory picks anymore, since they have to be the team’s own, original picks.

        • Totally agree. I’m just saying it just takes on GM trying to make a mark, to leave a big mark

        • Bob Lanz

          Well said, this is why the knowledge is power. Plus Stan is signing him.

      • Jim

        I think it depends on the team making the offer, and their realistic chances, along with his potential linemates. Would you want to make 20% more, but be stuck in Raleigh or Phoenix?

        Edit: I wonder what the endorsement potential is for hockey players? I know some athletes make more on endorsement contracts than their team salaries.

  • Lionel Hutz

    Mike Reilly signs with Minnesota.

    • jordyhawk

      Saw that. Realistically it was hard to think it would be otherwise given his dad’s interest in the team. And to the good, we are still the destination of choice for anyone who wants to play for a champion. There’s always another bus.

  • Hags

    the Bruins just launched Dougie Hamilton to Calgary for a 1st and 2 2nds.

    • TitanTransistor

      Does that seem like a pretty weak return for Hamilton to anybody else?

      • Lionel Hutz

        They might use it to trade up. Also just saw a report that Boston is in on the Sharp sweepstakes so it could be for that/cap space. I think it is part of something much bigger.

      • Hags

        Oh God yes. that move is…borderline indefensible. hard to see what the upshot of that move is. How did the Bruins get better by doing that?

      • Black JEM

        Yeah – kind of weak, but as it seems draft picks are now being favored above all else, maybe Hamilton’s agent tipped his hand that Hamilton wasn’t going to sign for X and so Boston said, good, let’s get rid of him.

      • Bob Lanz

        Nope, good young demand but for a cap strapped team good return.

      • The_Cheeb

        Great, Lucic and Hamilton come to the West, nothing significant leaves the West for the East. Brutal.

        • Bob Lanz

          It’s early. But the west doesn’t appear to be getting any easier

    • rhodes

      …and then resigned Adam McQuaid to a 4yr/2.75m AAV contract. Boston fans appear to be upset.


    • rhodes

      Here’s another fun rumor out of Boston. Who would want such an asshole, especially at 6.5mil next year? I read another article suggesting that Vancouver was interested in him–now there’s a team where he would be a good fit.


  • TitanTransistor
    • Bob Lanz

      Steiger doesn’t have a no trade clause and if he did do you really think he would invoke it and be a healthy scratch instead of playing somewhere that wants him?

    • T.M.

      Pierre LeBrun says he talked to Versteeg. Say he hasn’t nixed any trade, says he hasn’t spoken to anyone. Says reports out there are false

  • Bob Lanz

    I’m actually nervous about how today plays out. Why?

  • Hags

    now Lucic going to LA for 13 overall, goalie Martin Jones and a prospect.
    Bruins now have picks 13,14,15 in the draft. Is Rask and a boatload of picks to Edmonton/Buffalo for McDavid and Eichel possible?

    • The_Cheeb


  • Bob Lanz

    So what is Boston up to? This seems extreme unless there is an end game. Then again this the same orginization that gave away Tyler Seguin.

    • Feenux

      I heard they were interested in Sharp at one point. Are they freeing up cap space so they can trade for him?

      • Bob Lanz

        I don’t see it, but what do I know. This seems like a much bigger move

        • jordyhawk

          Possibly to get #3 pick from Yotes and select Noah Hanifin of BC.

  • tom

    What is going on with this website? Don’t get me wrong the content is usaully top flight but the website itself is just fucked. I don’t know shit about computers but this site is the only one that always gives me trouble. I’ve always hated the commercials that start playing randomly with the audio cutting in and out. And I’m used to it causing my flash player to crash, but now it doing some wierd shit where every ten seconds the screen scrolls all the way down the page by it self. It impossible to read a fucking article. Can someone explain what the fuck is going on? P.S. I can’t spell.

    • The_Cheeb

      Is your right side of screen loaded with commercial videos? If so, you got some crapware. It should be blank below the tags and blogroll charts. Try an adblocker add-on for your browser. There are also browser add-ons that prevent certain flash crap from loading.

      • tom

        Thanks for the help

    • Jim

      I got that also. Props to Sam and company for my favorite Hawks website. But they need a new webmaster.

    • As Cheeb said, get an ad-blocker. Had the same problem, but it’s fixed. ‘Ad-Blocker Plus (ABP)’ works quite nicely.

    • Jiggy Holmes

      Bypass the ads, use the disqus website instead.


      Get your sanity and your computer back. No one should be held hostage to this terrorist website that’s out to destroy your web experience.

  • The_Cheeb

    Somebody call Boston before they come down from their acid trip.

  • OriginalChi

    I totally agree in every shape and form imaginable with the fact that the cup should be brought into the few neighborhoods mentioned above. I hate seeing more and more parts of the city virtually seeming forgotten about.

  • ChiCityKyle

    Theres obvious saftey concerns. Thats why they wont bring it to Englewood. There’s about 8-9 murders every 2-3 days in the city of Chicago…largley gang related and typically on the south/west side of town. Bridgeport, would be ok i would think, but still….putting whoever brings it there at a bit more risk. And it wouldnt look nice if they brought it under police escort either. I grew up in Bridgeport for a good chunk of my childhood, 28th n Halsted and even I dont go back that often anymore. You know how much street value lord stanley would have amongst crackheads???

  • Eric Melnyczenko