Turn On The Water – Hawks 4, Jackets 3

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With both Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane missing a concurrent, protracted amount of time for the first time in their careers, the Hawks could probably be forgiven for looking a bit adrift during this final kick, which they are apparently conceding to a certain degree anyway. But other than a few brief stretches over the past two nights, that hasn’t been the case, and they’ve been learning to adapt while earning 4 points in the process.

In a game that the Jackets needed to have more than the Hawks did, they came out looking to pummel the Hawks into submission, and got an early goal when Derek MacKenzie did what you’re supposed to do with about the juiciest rebound anyone’s ever seen courtesy of Antti Raanta. But the Hawks would continue to absorb the hits and adhere to their ever tightening structure, and were able to draw even when Jeremy Morin wonderfully utilized a triple screen on a long distance shot after, imagine that, a clean zone entry with speed and control.

The second frame would see the Jackets regain the lead early on a goal from Ryan Johansen that was inexcusable for Raanta to not have, only to have the Hawks take control of things, putting 17 shots on Bobrovsky and converting on two of them, one from Sharp and one from Hossa. A bank shot power play goal from Artem Anisimov would keep things knotted after 40, where they would stay for another 19 minutes and 56 seconds. With a late draw in the Jackets’ zone and the game seemingly destined for OT, the Hawks were able to gain control and get a shot on net with plenty of traffic where Ben Smith would skewer home the decider underneath Bobrovsky. Hawks 4, Jackets 3. Bullet time.

Observations

  • While it might have been against two decidedly mediocre opponents, those opponents also have playoff aspirations, and the line of Stepchild Line of Morin, Regin, and Bickell has had their way with both, and provided go-ahead goals in the third each of the last two nights. Peter Regin in particular is looking to be quite a useful pickup, particularly when properly slotted as a bottom six center. Naturally all three will be scratched Sunday due to a lack of “more”.
  • Speaking of “more”, the Bickell/Boll fight reeked of Bickell having internalized some of the garbage spewed in the wake of the Orpik hit, and acting upon in with Boll, who promptly forcibly fed Bickell his fist. Bickell was lucky that he didn’t receive and instigator for getting at Boll, and luckier still that the Hawks were able to convert on the penalty that Boll had taken initially (which was iffy at best).
  • With Daydream Nation on the mend, if the Hawks were to have any bit of success it was going to be on the backs of Sharp and Hossa from the forwards, and to this point the appear to be up for the responsibility. While yesterday saw them cheating out of the zone more than they probably should, they were a bit more reined in tonight with a couple of exceptions.
  • Ryans Murphy and Johanson are going to be a thing for a long time in Columbus, hopefully Jarmo can keep them there and keep them competitive for the sake of the market.
  • If this is the last even remotely meaningful game action Antti Raanta sees this season, that’d probably be for the best.
  • No one is more anxious to have Johnny Oduya come back than Niklas Hjalmarsson.

  • ToewsCheatCode

    “Naturally all three will be scratched Sunday due to a lack of “more”.

    Two cups. One mustache. Zero clue.

    • Bob Lanz

      Well while I don’t disagree with you I definitely do not agree with you.

    • Preacher

      I think this would make a good T-Shirt logo.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Go home. You’re not drunk.

      • Bob Lanz

        He’s not altogether wrong either

        • 10thMountainFire

          So says the ‘guest’ vote.

          • Bob Lanz

            Bollig deserves a night off, enter the Dragon

      • ToewsCheatCode

        It’s mostly said in jest… though I do find many of his deployment choices infuriating.

        • arlingtonrob

          I find Morin to be more than useful…and he should play more…

          That is all.

    • Paul the Fossil

      Look its not just the two Cups. He’s also the only active coach with both two Cups and two President’s Trophies; leads all active coaches in both regulation wins and playoff wins; is 10-3 in playoff series with the Hawks; is only the second individual ever to play 800 NHL games and coach 1,000; has made the playoffs in 14 of his 16 seasons as a head coach; and by the way has a third ring as an assistant for whatever that’s worth. The track record is simply not dismissable at this point. I don’t always agree with his tactical choices either but some perspective really is in order.

      • ToewsCheatCode

        You’re absolutely right.

        • arlingtonrob

          …and many of his deployment decisions are infuriating.

          • Paul the Fossil

            Infuriating to those of us who are not the only active coach having both two Cups and two President’s Trophies, leading all active coaches in both regulation wins and playoff wins, etc etc. The point being not that nobody else is entitled to an opinion about Blackhawk lineups. It’s simply that some relevant perspective seems to be missing around here on this topic.

            It’s possible, truly it is, that Joel Quenneville may actually know “what the fuck he’s doing?” as an NHL head coach.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            It’s the reckless entitlement to an ultimate opinion on this crap that pisses me right the fuck off. I question Q’s decisions sometimes. I know for a fact he makes mistakes. No way do I ever think I or anybody here would have consistently made better decisions as a Head Coach, and I’m not even certain everybody’s favorite Babcock would do a better job. It’s fine to disagree and even criticize the coach. It is the copius superlatives that just make the critics look ridiculous and unmerited.

  • cliffkoroll

    Duncan Keith, Norris Trophy, amirite?

    • 10thMountainFire

      Duncan Norris.

      • 10thMountainFire

        But Seabrook absolutely sucks

        • Preacher

          Jammer’s been REALLY good too, hasn’t he? If he had some points and some good PR, we’d be mentioning him along with Mr. Norris.

          • cliffkoroll

            Yes, he’s a very good player. Core. Almost as good as Seabrook.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Hjalmarsson: Top 10 Norris?

          • cliffkoroll

            Hmmm…I’d say not quite, certainly not the way it’s scored.

          • 10thMountainFire

            ‘Top Ten Most Valuable Defenseman, 2014′?

          • arlingtonrob

            I think Seabs needs a rest…or a bag skate. Not sure which is more appropriate for lookin’ like Jassen Cullimore (borrowed from Hockeenight.com)

          • laaarmer

            A bag skate?
            Holy fuck.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I think you might need a bag skate.

          • Waylon

            he really needs more like a bag on his head. Also, Mike Keenan.

          • 10thMountainFire

            But what would Keenan do?

          • 10thMountainFire

            I maintain he’s top 10 Norris.

          • Paul the Fossil

            I dunno, there are plenty of really good D-men in a 30-team league. I’d probably have Seabrook in a top 10 and Hammer in a top 20 for this season.

            And of the three we’ve mentioned (Keith, Seabrook, Hammer) if forced to pick just one to keep for the next five or whatever seasons I might go with the Swede. He’s the youngest of them, and it feels like he’s established such a sound defensive-play base now that continuing to build his game with the puck just one or two more notches puts him right up there with any blueliner in the league. He’s sort of the anti-Kaarlson now and it seems more likely for him to grow his offensive game than for a Kaarlson to belatedly become serious at actual defense.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            Gun to head, I would take Hammer over Seabrook too.

            Ideally we keep both until they win 3 more cups with the team (at least) and get both their jerseys retired alongside numbers 2, 19, and 88.

          • arlingtonrob

            Ideally the Hawks trade Seabs while his value is high and promote from within…cap ain’t going up that much so we can’t keep a team of 30 year old vets forever.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            You can promote from within without getting rid of Seabs quite yet. Leddy is primed to take Oduya’s spot, for example, and Roszi is aging out quickly. That frees up two spots on the third pairing, at low cost if they’re still ELC.

          • cliffkoroll

            Heh. It’s been too long since we’ve had an honest to goodness “It’s time to unload Sharp/Seabrook/Hossa/Keith/Hammer/Kane” conversation.

            We like our people.

          • Paul the Fossil

            Seabrook turns 29 this month, Keith turns 31 in July.
            However established NHL blueliners do not have as strong a pattern of late 20s/early 30s dropoff that top scoring forwards do, for whatever reason. So arguably selling high on core forwards is generally more important in that age range than core defensemen.

            Hammer turns 27 in June.

          • 10thMountainFire

            This makes little sense.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      It’s a tighter race than it once was. He’s no longer a lock. Pietrangelo and Chara are the other major contenders I think. I wouldn’t be shocked if Chara walked away with it just due to the recency effect and the fact that he’s in the Eastern Conference.

      • 10thMountainFire

        No.

        • ToewsCheatCode

          I’m talking about what may happen, not what should happen or what you want to happen.

          Plus, be honest, how many STL or BOS games have you actually watched. Can you say with certainty that they haven’t been better for significant stretches of 2014?

          • 10thMountainFire

            What I want to happen is not what you say will happen and what you say will happen is not what will happen. What I want to happen is likely what will happen.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            We shall see. I’d like to see Keith get it. But his conference and his weaker second half hurt him a bit. On January 1st, he was running away with it. Now… I’d say he’s ahead by the slimmest of margins.

          • Jimnhlnut

            Known unknowns.

          • Z-man19

            the question is how many STL games the voters have watched

          • ToewsCheatCode

            Likely more than we have, given the voters are spread out around various hockey markets, and have seen him play at least twice against their local team, plus whatever attention they paid him as a result of STL being a dominant power in the West all year, plus Pietrangelo’s Olympic nod probably got some eyes on him as well.

          • Z-man19

            I think you give them too much credit for watching lots of hockey

          • ToewsCheatCode

            That’s certainly possible.

          • cliffkoroll

            Yeah, but anyone who takes the Olympics into account (rightly or wrongly) will not have failed to notice the top pairing of Keith and Weber.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            Oh, I definitely think both those guys got a rub from it as well. I just think Keith was already on the radar for everybody before the Olympics, and Weber’s team is so bad that they kind of cratered his standard stats… but his fancy-stats are all pretty good I think (QoC, zone starts, etc).

      • cliffkoroll

        Yeah. If voters are mesmerized by offense, Karlsson will get some love too. Weber’s also a legit dark horse, but these two have plus minus issues.

        • ToewsCheatCode

          Yeah. I think Karlsson dropped out of the conversation when it became clear the Sens were missing the playoffs. I think Weber’s +/- is too glaring to ignore, even if that is essentially punishing him for working in front of a back-up goalie all year.

          • cliffkoroll

            I think Pietrangelo is out: Chara, Keith, Weber are my nominees. I think DK wins it.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            That’s a good line-up.

            I put Pietrangelo in, simply because I think the Olympic rub, plus being the number 1 D on the best team in the West is going to give him a bit of a halo effect.

            So Keith, Chara, Pietrangelo is my guess.

          • flahawkfan

            Agree with these three. I want Keith to win, but there seems to be more Weber talk of late and he’s my dark horse to take it.

      • Jimnhlnut

        Chara sure was danced by the young Swede in Detroit the other night

        • ToewsCheatCode

          True, though Keith has been danced a few times too. You’re never going to find a flawless defenseman. You can pick out mistakes for all of them.

          • Jimnhlnut

            True. Did you see Keith take a slap shot at a player who had just run Seabrook in the corner the other night? He has a mean and dirty streak to him. His inner Chelios maybe. Think it was in waning moments vs Pens.

          • birdhead

            Did you see Keith take a slap shot at a player who had just run Seabrook in the corner the other night?

            The better angels of my nature are super disapproving but the lesser angels are SO AMUSED by this. Which game?

          • jimnhlnut

            It was either vs Pens or Wild. Pat was telling a story at the time and Eddie was dozing, so neither commented. Seabrook was chasing a dump in, was run by the opposition and the Keith, who recovered the puck, turned and fired it at the offending player. Hit the ref instead and the play stayed in the zone. Could have been an attempt to simply fire the puck out of harm’s way, but does Keith often do that? Was at the end of game or period, so nothing really materialized after. Looked to me like Keith targeted the guy out of frustration.

          • Waylon

            Keith has always played with an edge, because he’s had to since his earliest playing days. When he was first called up he was much lighter than he is now, and everyone tried to run him (although they usually missed, he was that fast). So he had no choice but to protect himself. During last year’s playoffs vs. LA, even Don Cherry said it best when Keith took the slashing penalty after having his stick knocked out of his hands. “Don’t poke the bear if you’re not expecting it to poke you back.” He makes his point, albeit usually in a more subtle manner.

          • flahawkfan

            Was it Pittsburgh or Ottawa? We trekked up to Ottawa for that disastrous game and just before Shaw got into his skirmish at the end, I swear I saw Duncs get pissed and shoot directly at one of the Ottawa players, making it look like a clearing attempt. My husband saw it differently and I never saw a replay of it.

            I sort of don’t mind Keith’s dirty streak. I wish he would make it less obvious (Sedin, Carter) and not take stupid penalties and get suspended, but a lower-key “inner Chelios” approach is okay by me.

          • cliffkoroll

            Isolated incidents, but no discussion of Keith is complete without obsessively reminding ourselves of his Defining Moments.

            In Boston the other day, Marchand hit Keith in the helmet with a two-hand overhand. Not a big deal, a glancing blow. Keith played the puck up the boards, then turned around with a ‘wtf?’ look. Nothing came of it, but this is the sort of shit that goes on all the time.

            And of course, the mere mention of Keith brings out the “But Hammer is good too, right?” reflex. Whatever.

            I thought maybe someone (laaarmer, who has taken to Keith micro-scrutiny) might say something about dat first goal though.

            Or that someone, somewhere, might notice and casually comment on the fact that for the rest of the night, Keith was a Man Among Boys and willed his team to victory. Nope- zero on that.

          • flahawkfan

            Meh, the incidents I mentioned aren’t Keith’s “Defining Moments” for me. As I said, I like the fact that he’s slightly ape-shit at times.

            But your mention of the reflex is interesting. I’ve noticed it too, for years. Hell, even when he won the 2010 Norris and was playing amazingly well at both ends of the ice all year, and during the Cup run, by and large if you mentioned how good Keith was you inevitably heard something about how Seabrook was the reason. I know one person who still insists that Seabrook was the only reason Keith won the Norris that year. I don’t get it. Why can’t we appreciate that we have somebody like Keith on this team — a guy nearly all of the other teams in the NHL would kill to have — and that Hammer, Leddy, et al., are also wonderful players? Maybe it’s just me because I love the way Keith prepares and plays, so I focus more on him, but it doesn’t seem like other players on the team invoke the same reflex. It’s weird.

            I’ve also seen a couple of blogs discuss how terrible Keith has been the past two games (along with Seabrook, of course), and I think I must be watching different games. Except for that first goal last night, I thought Keith was damn good defensively in both games. And of course he had the three helpers last night (I know, one of them was secondary so that’s somehow discounted but that particular pass sprung Versteeg and Hossa so it was still important) and he seems to be doing much better of late getting his shots on goal. Yet he still gets the “he hits the shinpads every time” thing. It’s like people get stuck on a narrative, that dirty word, and can’t see anything changing.

            Ah, well. I’m probably wrong on all of that because I don’t see the constant Seabrook suckage every game, either.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Keith is the best defenseman in the NHL. Anyone that doubts that… I don’t really have time with which to argue.

          • jimnhlnut

            Could have been. Glad someone else noticed, also. I feel like I have seen him do it more than once. (In a subtle manner.) I, too, have no problem with him, or any Hawks, playing with an edge. But you’re right, no replay, no comments, just asked myself, “Did I just see that?”

  • Preacher

    Without looking at stats, I thought Q put the Stepchild Line out there more as the game progressed. Or maybe it was just when they were on the ice that I noticed better play from the Hawks.
    Does anyone else think Saad looks tired? I watched him exclusively for stretches tonight and he seemed to almost be taking “breaks” out there at times. This IS his first full 82-game season, isn’t it? Maybe it’s having an effect. He just doesn’t look as dominant, or even as engaged at times, as he usually does. Just asking.

    • Bob Lanz

      I think the blender is partially responsible. But Hossa sharp and saad should get rest in the final two if the points are moot

    • neo1978

      Blue jackets played their second line in a checking role against Hossa. That left a few more bottom 6 shifts for Regin. So yeah, Regin’s line got a couple more minutes of ice time than the other teams 4th line.

      • lizmcneill

        I don’t think Saad has looked great since the injury.

  • Bob Lanz

    McClure your dangerously close to actually calling Q out… Good for you

    • cliffkoroll

      Please Bob- this is just dumb.

      Before the game, Sparky commented basically “Harrumph! Let’s see what Q can do with this sow’s ear?”

      Well fuck me, but the makeshift roster looked like…Qs puck possession vision. Excellent coaching job tonight.

      • Bob Lanz

        If by excellent you mean having no choice to lineup talented players because there all that’s left then yes your right. Otherwise no! Q loves sitting these same guys in favor of brookbank at wing and bollig and Zus and stupidity. So no I’m not just going to praise Q. I don’t hate him or think he’s a bad coach but how can anyone not think his choices are at best questionable.

        • cliffkoroll

          How? Simple. Resistance to assimilation.

          • Bob Lanz

            Good for you, next time try not to make dumb comments yourself. That’s what I take more offense to. We all have a right to our opinions mine is and will continue to be that Q makes poor lineup choices

          • laaarmer

            He does, but he has won 700 games as a head coach and he has been a coach for 3 cup winning teams.
            He seems to have a solid grasp on the NHL game.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Bob, bob, bob, bob….

          Bob, bob, bob, bob….

          I give up. Who? Who, Bob? Who do you want to be the coach of the Blackhawks that will be better than Q?

          • 1benmenno

            Scottie Bowman and Al Arbour. Duh

          • Jimnhlnut

            When q is there all three will have won cups with Hawks.

          • Bob Lanz

            I just want him to stop it. I doubt he will but I will bitch about his stupid moves as long as he continues to make them. I don’t want anyone else I don’t want him to quit retire resign until after two more cups and second all time winningest coach. Then go into the legend category
            … Chicago style

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Well, maybe you’ve figured this out already, but this process makes for a shitty marriage.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Yes, commentariat, Johnny Oduya is an essential piece of the championship roster.

    Do you see? Now you see.

    • Bob Lanz

      Nicely done captain obvious… Sorry I’ve been hard on you tonight. Truce my frent

      • 10thMountainFire

        No one is hard on me. No truce needed. Never at war.

        • neo1978

          You must be becoming a civilian. A couple of years ago you would have never used the word war in that context…

          • 10thMountainFire

            I have absolutely no way to retort. I’m actually angry and ashamed. Upboated with embarrassment.

          • neo1978

            Don’t worry about it. We mellow as we age. Until, of course, we all turn into grump old men…

          • 1benmenno

            Get off my lawn! And Ahn!

          • 10thMountainFire

            One day.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Regrettably, it may be true.

            I despise when people use the term ‘war’, ‘warrior’, or any military analogy with sports. It mixes two very different worlds and reeks of earnest validation.

        • 1benmenno

          Unless, of course, you’re actually at war. Am I right?

        • Bob Lanz

          I kind of want to comment about the hard on thing but alas I will not. Oh and cliffy thinks Q is a genius for putting together this lineup

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Agreed. He gets a little twitchy under a heavy forecheck, but he’s pretty much a perfect complementary skillset to Hammer.

    • laaarmer

      But Kesler.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I know. I miss him, too.

  • 1benmenno

    If I read the word structure one more time I’m a gonna deconstruct.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Structure.

      Structure.

      …*waits*

      • 1benmenno

        Deconstruction commencing in 10 seconds.

        • 1benmenno

          5 seconds.

          • 1benmenno

            1 second.

          • 1benmenno

            Deconstruction complete.

          • Z-man19

            LEGOS?

          • 1benmenno

            Good idea. I’m going to go see that movie and build myself back up again.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            Everything is awesome.

            I’m going to play that song if the Hawks win the cup again this year.

          • 1benmenno

            Tegan and Sara are pretty awesome.

          • birdhead

            I’m pretty sure that should be my line.

          • Z-man19

            the wife said it was awful, my 8 year old disagrees

          • 1benmenno

            Who should I believe?

          • ToewsCheatCode

            The 8 year old. It’s great.

          • Z-man19

            I don’t think the 8 year old has seen a movie he didn’t like so his standards are pretty low, the wife’s standards aren’t real high either (hence me) so I’d say she really didn’t like it

          • 1benmenno

            I am more like an 8 year old boy than a woman of any age. I’m going to see that movie this weekend and I’m bringing my posse with me. Do we call ourselves the Geriatrix? Depends.

          • Z-man19

            my wife rarely says anything bad about a movie, she hated it, I’m gonna pass

          • DesertHawk

            You’re trusting the wrong person Zed.

          • Z-man19

            and don’t forget to take a spare Dupends with you

          • 1benmenno

            They’re Dupendous. Or I might cough up for a Stadium Pal:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejEcOMqBvpY

          • Z-man19

            I don’t need to click the link, I know what that is

          • 1benmenno

            You should click on it anyways, because David Sedaris has a way with words.

          • 1benmenno

            What I’m saying is: his explanation is better than the Lego Movie.

          • Z-man19

            you would be correct, pretty funny

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            David Sedaris is never a bad choice.

          • 1benmenno

            His sister Amy is also a hoot.

          • Z-man19

            what a coincidence, my sister Amy is a hoot too

          • 1benmenno

            She like the movie Tootsie?

          • Z-man19

            hell I don’t know, I barely remember it myself. An earlier version of Mrs Doubtfire only better

          • Z-man19

            also, I don’t have a sister Amy and none of my three sisters would be considered hoots, I don’t think

          • 1benmenno

            Your sister has a place in Chicago. You should go visit her sometime. And when you do, I’ll fly in from Toronto.

          • Z-man19

            I’m an hour from Indy and roughly 2 from Chicago, fly into either and you can visit. She travels A LOT, hard to say when she’ll be there

          • DesertHawk

            It was awesome trust his 8 year old.

          • ahnfire

            The Lego Movie is awesome. Go watch it.

      • 10thMountainFire

        But… STRUCTURE!

        • ToewsCheatCode

          Indeed.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Einstürzende Neubauten

      • 1benmenno

        More like Einstürzende Altbauten, in my case.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          The structure misnomer is a recent development

          • 1benmenno

            Doch. Einstürzende Neuklischee, oder?

  • rhodes

    Continuing NCM’s line of thought in the pre-game thread about 3rd line possession numbers…. The Bickel, Regin, Morin line saw 100% of their starts in the OZ. Is that a lot?

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      You could say that, yes.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Yeah, that could probably be considered ‘sheltered’. Either that, or Q really liked what he saw and considered them his best offensive threat (not likely).

      • rhodes

        If sheltering is what is happening here, maybe not a bad move. Bickel, injury. Morin, green. Regin, greenish? The TOI is moving up for these guys from last game, which is good. Almost at Bollig level! I see no problem at present.

        • ToewsCheatCode

          I have no problem with it either. I just think it’s something to take into account when somebody declares how great their possession stats or offensive pressure are. It’s a lot easier when the other guys have to travel 200 ft to take a shot.

          • rhodes

            Yes, agreed. And that was exactly the point NMC was making before the game.

    • birdhead

      They had a lot of offensive zone starts but they didn’t start 100% in the offensive zone. They had no defensive zone starts, which is why their Ozone/Dzone rate is 100%, but they did start a bunch of shifts in the neutral zone.

    • birdhead

      (also yes it’s a lot)

  • ToewsCheatCode

    How in the name of god can Alex Ovechkin have 49 goals and be a -35? So he was on the ice for basically 80 goals against? That’s insane.

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      powerplay…

      • ToewsCheatCode

        Yeah, though 27 of his goals are 5v5.

        So he’s on the ice for like 60 goals against.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          22

          • ToewsCheatCode

            I read it as 22 PPGs.

          • Paul the Fossil

            He’s arguably had some bad luck that has exaggerated the plus-minus. Not that his number would necessarily be good even with better luck, but among Caps regulars he ranks dead last in _both_ goalie save percentage while he’s on the ice and team shooting percentage while he’s on the ice. Kind of a perfect PDO storm.
            http://www.extraskater.com/players/on-ice?team=wsh&pos=S&sort=save_pct

          • ToewsCheatCode

            Good to know.

            Still morbidly impressive. Washington is such a gong-show, and has been for awhile (or at least it feels like it).

          • laaarmer

            luck card!

          • Paul the Fossil

            I don’t know what that means.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            Did you edit this, or was the weed hitting me faster than usual?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Well, now we’re getting somewhere.

  • ToewsCheatCode

    In other news, Pekka Rinne is a really, really good goaltender.

  • 1benmenno

    PDO is the residue of structure. Discuss.

    • Z-man19

      it’s all luck

      • 1benmenno

        Serendipity is luck plus preparation.

        • Z-man19

          preparation H?

          • 1benmenno

            Bad luck is a vascular anal structure.

          • Z-man19

            I was going to comment on wondering how Q feels about Leddy but that seems out of place now, or maybe not

          • 1benmenno

            You were going to wonder about some wondering?

          • Z-man19

            you’re thinking of a song, aren’t you?

          • 1benmenno

            Oh well, I’m the kind of guy who will never settle down . . . I’m the wonderer, I’m the wonderer

          • Z-man19

            I’m wondering off to bed on that note, see ya menno

          • 1benmenno

            See you in St. Louis.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Luck is the residue of hard work.

      Ie, The Will to Win.

      • 1benmenno

        Hard work is the will to reside, grasshopper.

  • ToewsCheatCode

    So, with the Norris discussion below, what are everybody’s predictions for the awards this year?

    Mine are:

    Hart – Crosby
    Selke – Bergeron
    Norris – Keith (wouldn’t be shocked if Chara took it though)
    Vezina – Rask (Harding should probably get it, but I think Rask’s pedigree and ‘name’ will help him scoop it)

    • Jimnhlnut

      Giroux (sp?) in Philly for Hart?

      • ToewsCheatCode

        Interesting. I hadn’t considered him. Honestly, I think Crosby is getting the Hart no matter what, but Giroux and Getzlaf would be good runners-up.

        • Jimnhlnut

          Ur likely right re: Cindy Crosby. My issue with Pens (his) team is that they are so undisciplined and sometimes play a whiny brand of hockey.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            Well yeah, but that doesn’t really change how damn good and valuable he is. The Pens team leads the league in games lost to injury I believe, and they still stayed at the top of their division (admittedly a terrible division), in large part because he’s 20 points ahead of the next guy in the individual leaderboards.

            He can be a whiny douche, but he’s undeniably talented.

          • Jimnhlnut

            Bakes my beans that Mr. Crosby gets the Olympic highlights and captaincy when it was Serious who scored the golden goal.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            By most accounts, it was Toews that came out of the Olympics with most of the praise from coaches and his teammates. That probably matters more to him.

          • CozBullsFan

            Welcome to TCI! Just some friendly advice Jimnhlnut as you’re new here. We try to refrain from using the whole Cindy Crosby thing. That and the Sedin Sisters. We should have a Guide to TCI up soon so you can get more accustomed to how we operate here.

          • Jimnhlnut

            Ok. Would like that. Been reading for a year, but hesitant to comment. Can be a tough crowd here!

          • CozBullsFan

            Don’t hesitate to comment. I was in your shoes at one point. Just joining in the conversation and getting used to everyone is hard at first. Once you get passed that, you’ll understand that this is a very close and friendly community.

        • birdhead

          Throw in a nod for Seguin.

  • 1benmenno

    To have structure one must not deconstruct: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5I94bT23cQ

  • Jimnhlnut

    Quacks lose at home to Preds. Give up five goals…..to Preds?

    • 1benmenno

      The NHL:

    • ToewsCheatCode

      We gave up 7 to them didn’t we?

      The Ducks also outshot them and controlled possession to my eye. Rinne was playing out of his mind at times.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Sound familiar?

  • Accipiter

    So, with Toews and Kane out of the line up, is it still a coincidence that the Hawks are scoring goals and not getting shutout, or is that just when Kane is out of the line up ?

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Who knows. You could chalk it up to extra effort/inspiration and the players playing for their Captain.

      Or you could chalk it up to the both of them being out equating to a cold splash of water. No more sitting back and letting the top guns do the heavy lifting, everybody has to pitch in a little extra to get the job done.

      • birdhead

        I find it amazing that even the Hawks playing worse when Kane is injured can be spun into a knock on Kane. “He just doesn’t show enough leadership to inspire them into playing better without him than they do with him!”

        • lizmcneill

          Captain is a locker room cancer who refuses to score goals and win games without his little buddy in the lineup. Oprik did us a favour.

      • ruinedhnic

        I hope that when Kane comes back in Game 1 the Hawks play a prank on him like they did on Matt Carey, but instead of letting him skate alone they all just spit on him. Because this “losing games to let Kane know how unimportant he is” seems a little too subtle.

        • birdhead

          I laughed out loud.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Or you could equate it or chalk it up to none of that.

        • ToewsCheatCode

          Anybody ever tell you that you remind them of those two old-man muppets that shout things from the balcony?

          • 10thMountainFire

            No. Because most of the people I know aren’t that stupid.

    • 1benmenno

      One does not know what depth is until one is allowed to plumb deeply.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        Mmmmm… plumbs.

    • ballyb11

      Oops, Hawks have scored 16 goals (sans OT) in the 8 games since Kane’s injury.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Attitude changed. With Butch and Sundance out, the role players went back to playing their roles. Hockey 101. Get it out, get it in deep, fuck the Harlem Globetrotters shit (unless you’re Marian Hossa), get your ass to the crease and keep it there. No, seriously, get your ass to the crease and keep it there.

  • Accipiter

    Also, Morin impressing more than Pirri did.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Well, yeah, but that’s hardly difficult.

      • 1benmenno

        What is hardly difficult appears easy to those who are easily difficult.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Thought Morin looked way better tonight than last night (regardless of the goal).

      And for real, I’ve thought Brookbank has been great … Rozsival looked very, very rusty, and Bollig had another clunker (bet it makes a big difference to be Smithless).

      • Z-man19

        Wait, wait, wait, so taking 1 guy off that line is the reason Bollig wasn’t good? Ben Freaking Smith is the key to getting solid contributions from Bollig? Someone get a note to Q.

        I’ll disclose that this is mostly just me messing with you but at the same time, really?

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          There’s something to be said about continuity in a 3rd and 4th line, I think, where there’s less individual skill and creativity, and where you’re being put in a role where mistakes are magnifed.

          But Bollig was Bollig regardless. He’s had two bad games in a row, and his mistakes have been all his.

          [EDIT: But hadn't you been saying Kruger and Smith were covering for Bollig's uselessness? I was unintentionally giving you a gift!]

          • Z-man19

            I can’t take gifts from strangers, unintentional or otherwise.

        • guest

          Ben Smith has been one of my favorite parts of this season. The kid’s really grown, makes good decisions, still gets those optimus grind goals. Him and Kruger would be lights out if they weren’t dragging around punchy mcbighits.

          • flahawkfan

            I’ve been thinking I would love to see Bickell on the Kruger line with Smith, because of the way Bicks played when he was with Bolland and Frolik for a while.

          • cliffkoroll

            Putting Frolik Bolland and Kruger together for games 5 and 6 against Boston was Q finding the right combination at the last minute. The task this year seems similar: put together a checking line that you can throw out against number one lines.

            Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa are on top-6.

            Smith/Regin, Saad, Bickell, Shaw, Versteeg are possibilities for rounding out the top 6. Either Kane or Sharp play center, or Smith/Regin slots as 2C with the other at 4C.

            So, Saad, Bickell, Shaw, and Versteeg take turns filling out the top 6. If Shaw is not in top-6, he slots on the fourth line with Smith/Regin and Morin.

            This leaves possible checking lines:

            Bickell-Kruger-Versteeg
            Bickell-Kruger-Saad
            Saad-Kruger-Versteeg

            I think any of these could work.

          • cliffkoroll

            In sum:

            Bickell-Toews-Kane
            Sharp-Regin-Hossa
            Saad-Kruger-Versteeg
            Morin-Smith-Shaw

            or:

            Sharp-Toews-Hossa
            Saad-Smith-Kane
            Bickell-Kruger-Versteeg
            Morin-Regin-Shaw

          • Z-man19

            That 2nd one I’d like to see. Physical presence, some offensive skill and Kruger can win a draw. Steep scares the crap out of me on a checking line, but maybe that’s just what he needs to keep from Steeging.

          • cliffkoroll

            I can do that:

            Sharp-Toews-Kane
            Versteeg-Regin-Hossa
            Bickell-Kruger-Saad
            Morin-Smith-Shaw

            Or outside the box:

            Saad-Toews-Shaw
            Sharp-Kane-Hossa
            Bickell-Kruger-Smith
            Morin-Regin-Versteeg

            I’d realy like to see Q use these five games to try to find a playoff-caliber checking line. The talent is there.

          • rhodes

            I can’t imagine the Hawks leaving their new 1.25 million dollar man on the sidelines for the playoffs–much as I would like to see any of the above, non-Bollig line combinations.

          • cliffkoroll

            You might be right. If this means swapping Bollig in for Morin on the 4th line above, I don’t see that as a big deal.

            If it means Bollig on a checking line, I don’t get it. Many better options.

          • Z-man19

            I’ve thought this for a while now. Lines 2 and 3 or lines without Toews or Kruger, needed to be solidified. Q’s just never found the right mix there. Injuries and poor play haven’t helped so I’m not putting it all on Q. Get some balance in the top 2 lines, have a solid checking line and have a bumslayer line that actually slays people. Haven’t really had it all year or at least since Dec

          • red palace

            I can see Morin there too, moving Saad up.

          • rhodes

            I couldn’t agree more with regard to Smith. Although, I haven’t seen too many “big hits” out of Bolllig—hit from behind on Parise the other night does not apply. So, more like Punchy McBoatAnchor.

          • Bob Lanz

            Yes and no shit that’s what I been saying all season

            Fuck bollig

          • 10thMountainFire

            Punchy McBighits. That needs to go in the guide. Pronto.

      • neo1978

        No Toews means Kruger is taking on the top lines instead of the 2nd best offensive line. Bigger difference in my opinion than not having Smith.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          True enough re assignments; the best players, even on the Bluejackets, will exercise control over the Bolligs of the game. Opposing line be damned, though, that pass into the middle in the third was just brainless.

    • jordyhawk

      This.

    • lizmcneill

      He always did, IMO.

  • cliffkoroll

    After the first period, I thought: Hossa, Sharp, Keith, Seabs, Hammer. Damn, this team still has some guns, even without 19 and 88.

    And young guns: Saad, Shaw, Smith, Kruger.

    And a couple vets with an extra gear: Bickell, Versteeg.

    And on a team short of centers, I think Regin can carve himself a niche.

    And some competent d-men with 27 out: Leddy, Roszival.

    And the professor and Mary Ann: Morin, Bollig, Brookbank.

    All in all, not a bad team. And they went out and played an excellent final 40 minutes. Very satisfying.

  • 10thMountainFire

    I read downthread. I’m going to take a shower.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Make sure to empty your Stadium Pal while you’re in there.

  • Dr. John

    Just read on NHL.com’s comments section: “Fred Haefner · CPI
    Let me say thing to get it off my chest.
    Fans from other team are always welcome but Chicago fans please respect the place you are in

    Clapping during the National Anthem may be your thing in Chi town but I
    find it disrespectful to all of us vets that served our country. This
    is a game and because of us vets you are watching it because you’re
    free.”

    I should say – would perhaps be a wise thing for Hawks fan to keep the anthem cheering to the United Center.

    • wowwowweewoo

      I agree that cheering the anthem should be kept to the UC, but I do not agree with the sentiment that we solely owe our freedom to veterans. Self government is far more complex, let’s not forget that.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Palomino’d.

        • Waylon

          I wonder if the commenter realizes that we have actual vets on the blog.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Known unknowns and such.

          • Wowwowweewoo

            10th is omnipresent, of course I know we have vets here. The idea that it shouldn’t change my opinion is tantamount to the ideas in my original post. Military worship is a great way to get countries to do really stupid and terrible things. It’s not our military that gives us freedom, the military is am extension of our democracy. It’s the people holding to an ideal that makes us free, not a single institution. Freedom is nothing more than an idea. One that can never be forgotten.

          • Waylon

            I do not disagree with anything you’ve said here. A great film exploring just this very meme is one by the great John Frankenheimer, called “Seven Days in May.” Stars Kirk Douglass and Burt Lancaster.

        • wowwowweewoo

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

          No doubt you’re very familiar with this, but why mix my words with what he said so perfectly.

          The military is a tool, an instrument, that works for the people. It should be respected, possibly even feared at times because of the awesome power it wields. But to blindly state that our freedom is owed to the military, like in the quote above, I think is dangerous.

    • Bob Lanz

      I have to agree. It’s our thing it’s a show and sign of respect here but I never do it in other arenas, rinks etc. I have to read the article but I agree with the premise.

    • Waylon

      I agree with your sentiment about not doing the Chicago thing in other team’s stadiums, but don’t assume that you’re speaking for all veterans when you make a blanket statement towards that effect. While you may feel this way and have every right to do so, take a look at the old Chicago Stadium during the National Anthem right after the first Gulf War began, when the All – Star game was held there:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmyatm0t3Bg

      Disrespectful? I don’t think so.

      • 10thMountainFire

        There’s a great story about Gen. Schwarzkopff meeting Bill Wirtz years later and relaying the story that he got the feed of the game for service personnel staging in Saudi Arabia during Desert Shield, just prior to Desert Storm: Summarizing, Schwarzkopf stated he saw service members with tears in their eyes watching it and said that it gave them a jolt. Wirtz’s reply was pretty remarkable… Wirtz said, ‘I didn’t have the heart to tell Gen. Schwarzkopf that we do that for the National Anthem every night in Chicago Stadium.’

  • cliffkoroll

    You know those dink and dunk passes in football? Where, if you lead a guy perfectly, it turns into a big play, but if you throw it behind him or at his feet, it’s a damp squib. Peyton Manning has made a career on such passes.

    Anyway, I want to observe Keith’s blue line pass to Sharp on the PP goal. This could’ve been a pass along the blue line, but Keith led Sharp beautifully, so even though Sharp got rid of it right away, he shot from the top of the circle.

    On Hossa’s goal, Seabrook had to chase down a blocked shot at center ice. He could have slid it along his own blue line to Keith, but he angled the pass toward the red line. Keith had to stop, flip his stick around, and catch it on the backhand. But because he was at center ice rather than his own blue line, he then had an easy pass to Versteeg, and Versteeg onto Hossa, to spring Hossa in all alone ahead of the change. No assist to Seabrook, but he made the play.

    It’s the little things, so many of which have to go right to produce a goal. Offense is hard.

    • laaarmer

      Convoluted?

      • cliffkoroll

        Yes laaarmer, the human brain is highly convoluted. It’s an aid to thinking. You should try it.

        • laaarmer

          Hey! an NHL player made a good pass. Jeebus, that must be hard.
          For christs sake cliif.

          • cliffkoroll

            Not just an NHL player, SEABROOK!

            A slight change in the angle of his pass, and there is nothing there. But he knew the situation- he knew Columbus was desperate to change and if he moved the puck back up ice quickly…

            No assist, but he got a plus one there. Unfortunately, that is a useless stat.

          • Bullitt315

            He also got a +1 in corsi which I’ve been lead to believe is the most important stat.

      • Accipiter
    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      A problem I have with this dualism is that it measures scoring a goal against preventing a goal. It says that where offense, i.e., scoring a goal, is difficult, defense, i.e., keeping a goal from being scored, is not (as) difficult. It’s an oversimplification. We’re dealing with two coins here, not two sides of just one.

      First, defensively speaking, the job is not so much to prevent a goal (because that’s a goalie’s job); it’s more to prevent a scoring chance, or to render that chance as insignificant as possible, which is a far more complex and subtle task than your either/or scenario hints it is. It’s not like there’s a wing-flapping butterfly that precipitates every goal, while all that needs to happen for preventing a good chance is some player to shake his stick or stand in a lane. Keith leading Sharp so beautifully with his pass … there’s no defensive equivalent to that, no chain of events that’s equally as subtle and difficult?

      What about the skating backwards part? Why do 18/19-year-olds regularly make an NHL roster while that almost never happens for defensive players? Is it because there aren’t as many damaging mistakes to be made on offensive side of the game? Young guys get sent down more because they can’t figure out how to prevent chances than because they can’t figure out how to create them.

      I admit I might just be enjoying the role of contrarian these days, but I don’t think it’s as simple as saying Offense is hard.

      • cliffkoroll

        That’s a lot of words to say these are different skill sets.

        The implications of what I’m saying are subtle. I guess I have to spell it out for people.

        1. My main point in the comment is to point out that in a 594 word ‘recap’ of last night’s game, McClure fails to even mention the guy who (a) fucked up on a comparatively easy play (tying up MacKenzie), then (b) proceeded to be clearly the best player on the ice for the rest of the game- on the ice for all four Hawk goals, assisting on three of them. Not.One.Word. What a joke.

        2. The Hjamarsson Obsession. I love the guy. He’s Core. Two Rings. Key piece. But get over this. The job he’s being asked to do is the same job Keith and Seabrook were asked to do 6 years ago. A more relevant comparison is Hjamarsson today vs. Keith in 2008, and sorry, it’s not that close.

        3. Keith and Seabrook have, in a sense, graduated from the shutdown role. Of course, this could only happen because of Hammer’s development, but there it is. Anyone who thinks they couldn’t go back to playing shutdown defense and do it better than Hjalmarsson is wrong.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          If your main point in the first post was to emphasize Keith’s play last night, as well as a Keith Then vs. Hjammer Now observation, why did you wait to do it until this post, and emphasize in the first post how intricately the goals came about and conclude with Offense being hard?

          My main point in my first post was that badgers are mean. I’m hoping this post clarifies that, on accounta my being so subtle.

          • Accipiter

            You are so hot tempered.

          • Z-man19

            somebody get him a Xanax or some weed

          • cliffkoroll

            False dichotomy!

          • cliffkoroll

            Touche. I’m sure I’ve been a dick somewhere along the way in this thread and that your response is justified. I wasn’t trying to entrap anyone…

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I wasn’t thinking you were a dick. I mean, no more than normal. I’d just read your first post as a continuation of your ‘offense is hard’ argument from the other day, not a Keith argument.

          • cliffkoroll

            Offense is hard, while true, was almost a throwaway line there, but that’s what your and laaarmer glommed on to, so I was annoyed at myself.

            The Keith 2008 / Hammer 2014 comparison is perhaps the most succinct way I can express what I’m trying to say here.

            flahawkfan put it well below. There’s a weird animus toward Keith that I find ridiculous.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            The animi (sp?) that have emerged all over are strange, just because of the fervor … Q, Bowman, Keith, Seabrook, Brookbank, Bollig (ongoing), Pirri-for, Pirri-against, etc., etc. You’d think we were Buffalo.

            I’m almost forced to conclude that players in this ridiculously fast game aren’t perfect, not even on the good teams.

          • red palace

            Offense is hard. /soccer’d
            Offense is easy. /nba’d
            Nothing is easy. /Tull’d
            Structure is hard; entropy is easy. /science’d
            I am from the planet Duplo and I am here to destroy you. /little sister’d

          • cliffkoroll

            Also, badgers ARE mean. And fearless. I saw a thing on the African Honey Badger (motto: Honey Badger don’t give a shit.)

            He took on a lion. The lion had him by the scruff of the neck, but his skin is loose there, so as the lion whipped the badger around, the badger was taking chunks out of the lion’s face, and the lion had to let him go.

            The badger went back the next day and got his ass kicked by the lion, but he still don’t give a shit.

          • laaarmer

            Shaw

          • Joe Banks

            I saw that honey badger thing too. And it did make me think of Shaw.

        • laaarmer

          Tying up MacKenzie wasn’t the wost fuck up he made on that play. He started the whole ting with the same fuck up that has been dogging them for a few months. Not reading the play correctly and jumping in leaving Seabrook, who read the play equally poorly to react.
          There is a reason a guy like Kane CANNOT/SHOULD NOT/WILL NOT play on a PK. He can’t do it. Whereas, Hossa, Toews can. Yes, you will take this to the extreme and play the Bollig card, but that is not what I’m getting at. The BEST player, can play in any situation. Kane/Ovechkins offensive skills at times negate the defensive lack, but only because they are so over the top good at producing offense. When they are faced with a good “shut down” type player, they don’t produce and the coach, as we have seen repeatedly, has to make adjustments to get them away from those guys.
          The good defensive play will result in offensive chances. The defensive player, will cause the other team to make mistakes that allow offense to happen. You have to play D before you can win against an equally skilled opponent.
          You bring up Ottawa’s defenseman. He is a talented offensive player, but eye test/stats probably too, he lacks in the other, which makes them out of the playoffs. there is more to it than this, but their #1 Dman is 80% offense. The Hawks #1 D mane is 50% or less offense,
          Individuals do not score goals per se. They score the goals, but as you have so convolutedly pointed out the guys playing D correctly made the play that led to the goal. Whether it was Seabrook being in the right position to start the play, Keith defensively supporting and allowing a change of ice and obviously making a great skill play on a bad pass. All the small plays add up to the offense, not the “dangle” that once in 30 times even results in a shot.
          Solid two way players are in high demand. Offensive player fill the seats and are equally in high demand. For all the shit people give Bolland, do you think our guys can win the cups with,lets say, without his ill tempered defensive play?

          • cliffkoroll

            I think Kane is the second most valuable player on the team. Neo thinks it’s Keith. Some others have said Hossa.

            What do you think?

          • laaarmer

            Toews
            Keith
            Hossa
            Kane
            Crawford

          • laaarmer

            Sharp
            Seabrook
            Hjammer
            The rest of the team

          • cliffkoroll

            Fair enough. Here’s my list:

            Toews
            Kane
            Keith
            Hossa
            Sharp
            Seabrook
            Hjalmarsson

            Crow is prolly top 5 in “most important” for this year, which is a different thing.

          • laaarmer

            Crow playing at his best is the most valuable. Not at his best I agree.

            Switching topics a bit. Kane. Have you noticed how aggressive the opponents are when on the PK? They don’t do that nearly as much when Kane is playing. It’s amazing how he can slow down the game, especially on the Blackhawks Power Play ay ay ay.

          • Z-man19

            That^ and that is why I think Kane has to be in the top 3 on this team. On the PK or 5v5, Kane creates space when he has the puck. The other team just isn’t as aggressive in trying to attack him. He forces the other team to play differently when he has the puck or is on the ice. I’m not sure how you put a value on that, but if one guy can completely alter the other team’s normal strategy, that tells me the other team thinks he’s pretty fucking good.

          • laaarmer

            It is way more noticeable on the PP

          • Z-man19

            I don’t disagree, but you can see it 5v5, most guys that are trying to cover him just don’t seem to be as aggressive with him. Maybe Kane’s talent makes it look that way or maybe the defender is choosing a different tactic because its Kane, hard to say I guess.

          • Waylon

            it’s always the same MO when trying to defend Kane when he brings the puck into the other team’s zone – back the f-ck off and hope he doesn’t make you look foolish.

          • guest

            Isn’t there some hockey cliche that’s like when your goalie is playing well he’s 25% of your team but when he’s playing poorly he’s 100%? I tried to google to get the exact wording/numbers with no luck.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I wish they would do it more when he’s in the game. Nothing like giving double eights some space to work with…

          • Waylon

            I don’t know if too many of us here “gave shit” to Bolly. Yeah, he got some grief during the regular seasons from some, but we loved him during the post seasons. Hope we don’t miss his snarl too much this year.

        • neo1978

          Also, Hawks top defensive pair is still 72. Toews is now taking on the other team’s top offensive lines. The defenseman that plays with Toews the most is still Keith not Hammer.

          http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time_on_ice_stats.php?ds=8&f1=2013_s&f2=5v5&f5=CHI&c=0+1+3+5+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28

          The Hawks are a dominant puck possession team so they get more offensive zone starts than defensive ones. So Keith’s zone starts reflect a pretty even 2 way player on a dominant puck possession team.

          Hammer’s slightly tilted defensive zone starts is more of a reflection of Q’s splits between the 2nd d-pair and the 3rd d-pair. The Hawks 3rd d-pair is sheltered in every sense of the word.

          Kruger’s line is playing the checking role. Hammer is getting these defensive shifts letting 72 play an offensive role with Kane. That is where Hammer’s pair is getting the higher defensive assignments than 72.

          So the Toews/Kane matchups of Keith are overall lower defensively than the Toews/Kruger matchups of Hammer. And this makes sense to me since 72 is the more offensive d-pair so you want to match them with Kane.

          In 2009/10 the Hawks had an offensive 3rd line that could also play defense. So Keith played with two offensive lines during his Norris run. Since then the Hawks third line has been mostly a defensive checking line. Now with Hammer playing with the checking line, Keith gets two offensive lines to play with again. And because of that, imo, Keith is being talked about for the Norris once again.

    • laaarmer

      Fran Tarkenton.

  • Michael Scott

    I’m really into this “scoring goals” thing that’s been going on lately. Seems very effective and I desire more of it. Forever.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      I’m really into the ‘scoring goals in the paint’ thing that’s been going on. It’s what’s been missing.

      • Michael Scott

        This is the part where Bickell starts to Bickell things, right? Playoffs are almost here after all, I can get excited for that.

        • Joe Banks

          He looked very Bickelly yesterday.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Thank Ben Smith and Jeremy Morin.

        • jordyhawk

          New flavor from Ben and Jeremy: Red Lamp Special.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Oh, I like that. A lot.

          • jordyhawk

            Let’s hope the mean old grocer with the moustache doesn’t delist it.

        • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

          Even Bicks has been getting back to the crease.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I like it. I have visions of the Boston series dancing in my head…

  • Accipiter
    • ballyb11

      Good reminder.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Good article.

  • jordyhawk

    I am pleased as punch to get a regulation time road win against an
    (aspiring) playoff team (all the more in the second of back-to-back
    games). Notwithstanding, a couple of grinchy comments:

    Leddy’s coast-to-coast forays may look great but tend to fizzle. I
    don’t know if it’s because he doesn’t know what to do with the puck
    or guys aren’t giving him options, but something is missing. Before
    he took the penalty that lead to their third goal, he had the puck
    deep in their end and ran out of open ice and then threw a lame pass
    to Bickell which became a turnover and lead to the ensuing pressure
    and penalty. Better puck management please.

    Raanta needed to play more hockey this year. Other than the 10
    straight (or so) when CC went down he hasn’t played nearly enough (and hopefully rust is the issue).

    • laaarmer

      He has no plan on the rush after he crosses the offensive blue line. Q should make him watch Chelios/Lidstrom/Campbell offensive highlights. But not before he makes him watch Chelios and Lidstrom defensive highlights.

      • jordyhawk

        It sure looks it. Most of the rushes end with him getting forced wide and either a) dumping the puck behind the net or b) making a pass into traffic. With no more two line offside through the neutral zone any more if he chooses b) and turns it over, it can come back on us pretty quickly.

    • guest

      I think when it first happened we were all super excited, “oh man when this kid learns what to do once he’s blitzed into the offensive zone magic will happen!”

      He still just gets there and kind of.. fizzles out in the corner. What was once exciting is now annoying.

      • jordyhawk

        Yeah, a lot of guys trumpet his offense but smooth skating and generating scoring chances are not the same thing. One thing I will say for him is his shot is pretty good and he does get it through. Some work to do there off the rush though.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          His teammates need to be better about giving him options when he gets there (like they do with Kane). He also needs to recognize if the forwards on the ice will be able to benefit from the rush and make a safer play if not.

      • 10thMountainFire

        23 years old.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    I am very happy with this new Blackhawks attitude (which is actually the old Blackhawks attitude) of, That Blue Paint Belongs To Us.

    • 1benmenno

      It must drive Lindy Ruff crazy.

  • laaarmer

    Believe it or not, I have been paying extra close attention to Seabrook these past few games. Trying to figure out what the detractors, serious or not, are seeing.
    What I see is a skilled player. Very good. What I am also seeing is a highly skilled player that is off balance a lot. You see him getting knocked down, and he does the slow motion fall. He is standing too straight up, at times. Because of this I think it’s causing him to over pursue and his passes are a bit off. THis does not happen all the time, obviously, but it might be what people are seeing as a decrease in his usefulness.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Trying to do too much, maybe? I think that’s been a team epidemic this year.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      I was watching a 2009 game the other day and 5-years-younger Seabrook is much faster. Like as fast as Teeth is now faster, which means he probably had less impending gaffes. This may be the issue the detractors are unable to articulate in their vague ramblings. Part of the issue is that, because there is no pay for bloggers, the only reward is who can be crowned Queen Hipster-Witty.

      • Paul the Fossil

        I’ve watched him closely at all the games I’ve attended in person since Christmas, which is several, and I see a highly skilled player having a helluva season. I do also see the balance thing sometimes, yea. Also he is more aggressive about deliberately leaving his feet than are most NHL D-men but it seems to work for him far more often than it causes new problems. Also he seems to be better at trapping forwards in the corners than he used to be (he used to get ducked a fair amount by big skilled forwards like Hossa or Toews).

        But the thing I’ve noticed most about Seabrook this season compared to all other Hawk D-men other than maybe Hammer is his anticipation. He is truly outstanding at moving himself as the play/puck is moving around so as to be in the best position when/if the puck or a puck-carrier arrives in his immediate area of responsibility. (In all three zones — this is why Seabrook more often than any other Hawk D-man will suddenly be moving in low towards the other team’s corner or net with the puck on his stick.)

        You can’t really see this on TV as it mostly happens outside the camera frame. Hammer is very overt about it too; Keith and Oduya and Leddy don’t do it nearly as much. Obviously anybody who plays as many minutes as Seabrook will still have occasions when the positioning breaks down, shit’s gonna happen at NHL game speeds. But it happens to him far less than you’d expect given his minutes and it’s because of his constant moving/adjusting in anticipation. I don’t doubt that he’s lost speed during the past few years and it may be that he’s developed this skill so highly in part as a compensation.

        Also, while I tend to agree about the Hawks’ overreliance on the stretch pass, Seabrook stretch passes can be beautiful things to watch.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Maybe ‘wiser’ is harder to see in play, though you would certainly expect to see ‘wiser’ in the numbers.

          My gripe about the stretch pass meme is that I’ve been watching for occasions when there’s a choice and the usual play is the safe play and the stretch pass is rarely used if a team breakout option exists. While most stretch passes could be swallowed for a regrouping, that’s not a guaranteed better choice and if every breakout becomes a team thing, that will quickly be soundly defended. Stretch passes keeps the other team uncertain because the Hawks definitely have the speed and finishing to make it dangerous. You break up their changes, catch them off-guard and get them on their heels a bit if it works out.

          • 10thMountainFire

            When you have forwards like Sharp, Toews, Kane, and Saad, the stretch pass isn’t just an option… it’s a weapon.

            The anti-stretch pass thing is stupid. It’s for idiots.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            It’s a weapon. And over-relying on any weapon makes it easier to predict and counter.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Hey, thanks for the lecture on weapons. Appreciate it.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            No worries. Any time. :)

      • lizmcneill

        Isn’t Seabs only like 28? Is it the nachos making him lose footspeed already?

    • Bobby Otter

      I see a guy that isn’t as bad as some say nor nearly as good as the defenders say. Guys get behind him fairly often now, maybe because of a loss of speed as mentioned below. He’s no longer the steady presence that lets Keith do Keith things, which is an issue. However, he gets his shot through, can still make killer passes, and is decent along the boards. I fall more into the “Seabrook isn’t have a good year” camp, but I don’t think he’s been horrendous/bad. Just above average as opposed to elite.

      For the defenders… I do have one question, if he’s been so good, why was he, I assumed in your eyes, “snubbed” from Team Canada?

      • Bullitt315

        Canada is stacked.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Yeah, up through #8. The ninth best D is barely NHL quality apparently.

      • cliffkoroll

        Most of the best defensemen in the world are Canadian. Still, he should have made it. Hamhuis?

        • Joe Banks

          Hamhuis? (bangs head on wall) Hamhuis? (bangs head on wall again)

        • ToewsCheatCode

          Hamhuis played fine for Canada in limited minutes. The 7th and 8th D were clearly only there as replacements for the top 6, and they wanted players on their natural sides.

          So Seabrook wasn’t going to beat out Hamhuis as the LD replacement.

        • ToewsCheatCode

          Team Canada 2014 was also probably the most dominant Olympic hockey team ever. So I’d say their choices were the right ones, when all is said and done.

        • neo1978

          Double wammy on the anti-offhand bias. Teams like right handed D-men on the right side and left handed D-men on the left. You advance the puck on your forhand that way.

          Teams will tolerate left handed D-men on the right side because there are so many more of them so a number of them learn to play on their off hand. Teams absolutely refuse to let right handers play the left side in anything other than an emergency.

          So the “spare” D-man was going to be a left hander on the Canadian Olympic Team even if there were better right handed options…

      • jordyhawk

        In 2010, as the tournament progressed DK ended up playing with Doughty on top pairing with Seabrook as #7 (i.e. the 2/7 partnership really wasn’t a factor this time and Seabrook was going to have to make it on his own). The brass said they wanted 4 guys on each side, which basically meant Seabrook lost out to Subban.

      • laaarmer

        Well, in the eyes of the guys running the team, others were better. It could be argued, but for what gain. He may have been the last guy. He may not have been. What gets me is that he’s still a good player. He does his job and assholes will say things like “well at least he isn’t +30″ on twitter. Quite childlike. Rather, we should be saying, “Seabs made a bad play there, but at least he’s still +29 for the SEASON!”

        It’s moronic what people associated with this thing will say at times

    • 10thMountainFire

      Unknown injury?

      • ballyb11

        Concussions? At least 2 – Torres and Wisniewski – and he got stung another time or two.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Yeah, Seabs has a bit of a history with brown brain.

    • cliffkoroll

      Once upon a time, two bulls were meandering through a meadow. Coming over a crest, they espied a valley below, covered with sexy cows.

      “Oh man” said the younger bull (Shaw), still in the first flush of youth. “Let’s run down there and fuck us a cow.”

      “Better still,” counseled the veteran bull (Seabrook). “Let’s walk down, and fuck ‘em all.”

  • ToewsCheatCode

    OT: Captain America Winter Soldier is fucking awesome. Highly recommended. One of the best Marvel movies yet.

    FYI I’d rank them as follows:

    Avengers
    Iron Man
    Iron Man 3
    CA: Winter Soldier
    Thor
    Thor: The Dark World
    Captain America
    Iron Man 2

    • birdhead

      I LOVED Winter Soldier, so it must truly appeal to everyone in the world.

  • ToewsCheatCode

    Avs gettin’er done against the Blues. 3-0 in the second period.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Definition of Conflict of interest.

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    Here’s a question that I’m sure has been answered numerous times … why does Fenwick exist? I know shot-blocking is reasoned to be a skill, but here’s my question: since both are meant to be proxies for possession for the attacking team, what does it matter if you fire the puck into shinpads or not? The offensive team had possession, fired the puck. Whether or not what happens after that is deemed (potentially) a repeatable skill–and so not a random “something”–has no bearing on the shot and the possession. The puck had been possessed by the player shooting; seems weird to discount that possession by saying there was a block.

    • birdhead

      Fenwick is (has been empirically shown to be) a better predictor of team success over a larger sample – it predicts better how many games a team goes on to win and goals they score, because not having your shot blocked is a repeatable skill that is necessary to scoring.

      Corsi is a better predictor over a smaller sample. (Because Corsi includes more events, so it’s less subject to random chance over a short period.) For this reason Corsi is also often preferred for individual-level assessment.

      Here’s at least one post to this effect: http://objectivenhl.blogspot.co.nz/2011/02/shots-fenwick-and-corsi.html

      BTW I believe people often look at shot differential when looking at older games for which you don’t necessarily have the missed and blocked shots data.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        I have a fucking doughnut for a brain. I had framed it oppositely, that Fenwick was giving credit to the defensive team for the block, not to the offensive team for avoiding it.

        • birdhead

          Yeah. It has to be the other way around, at a team/season/multi-game level, because you’re looking at Fenwick for one shooting team vs 29 blocking teams, right? So when you’re comparing two different teams’ Fenwicks, you’re comparing their ability to not have shots blocked by the entire rest of the NHL. Or the entire rest of the NHL’s ability to block their shots – so if the entire rest of the NHL are better at blocking team A’s shots than team B’s shots, that says more about team A than it does about the entire NHL.

        • birdhead

          I hasten to add that when I said “yeah” I didn’t mean “you do have a doughnut for a brain”, I meant “yeah credit goes to the offensive team”.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Sure, uh-huh. Nice backpedal.

          • birdhead

            I swear I’m usually only an asshole when I mean to be.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’ll do my own hastening and add on my own behalf, I did know the other parts; I’d just locked onto the shot block thing and could not make it make sense … well, for good reason there, cause it can’t make sense when you look at it that way.

            Also, don’t sell yourself so short, I’ve seen you be an asshole unintentionally.

          • birdhead

            Given the amount of credit teams get for being shot-blocking teams, blocking lots of shots, it makes sense though. Shot-blocking is definitely thought of as a team strength.

      • cliffkoroll

        In short, Corsi is preferred cuz sample size.

        Fenwick is a subset of Corsi, and Fenwick events are better predictors of what we’re ultimately interested in measuring- goals.

        With a large enough sample size, then, Fenwick is preferable to Corsi.

        Similarly, SOG is a subset of Fenwick, and a better predictor of goals than non-SOG Fenwick events (for one thing, 0% of non-SOG Fenwick events directly lead to goals.)

        At what point is the SOG sample size large enough to prefer it to Fenwick? After 76 games, I don’t need to know any advanced stats to know the Hawks are a great possession team and Toronto isn’t.

        • birdhead

          Yeah pretty much.

          re: SOG. I dunno. I would say over several seasons but I haven’t done any particular reading on that.

          • cliffkoroll

            I would think a lot less. If about have of Corsi events are SOG, I’d expect that whatever statistical confidence you could ascribe to 10-game Corsi numbers, you would have similar confidence with 20-game SOG numbers.

            And since SOG is a better predictor of goals than non-SOG Corsi events, you should have a better estimate there.

            Offhand, I can’t recall a single game where SOG numbers told a different story from Corsi/Fenwick, although, over a one-game sample size, Corsi/Fenwick are more statistically credible than SOG and I definitely like to see them.

          • birdhead

            I guess that depends how much statistical confidence you ascribe to 10-game Corsi numbers. I remember the Wild having fantastic possession stats early in the season.

          • cliffkoroll

            Well that’s just it. At the halfway point of the season, the stats cognoscenti declared the Wild to be a fluke, and they were vindicated. Tons of confidence were (apparently appropriately) placed in half-season Corsi numbers.

            Since SOG is a better predictor of goals than non-SOG Corsi, this tells me that, by the time we get to year-end, all the Corsi stuff can be put away in favor of SOG analysis.

            I also wonder how much of the Wild’s demise could have been foretold from half-season SOG numbers alone, without resorting to advanced stats. Prolly most or all of it, I suspect.

          • laaarmer

            Isn’t a missed shot a bad thing?
            A blocked shot a bad thing for one team and a good thing for another?
            A SOG a good thing for one team and a bad thing for the other?

            I mean Frolik may take 50 shots, but only 5-6 are on net (at least when he was in CHI),
            so who cares if his Corsi is good. he missed the net a bunch, and the time his team had possession was a waste of time, although the other team did not have possession. Similarly, Getzlaf may take 6 shots,
            but Hjammer blocks 3. That is good for Hjammer and bad for Getzlaf. He wasted the shot/took a “non-quality” shot.

            I get that Corsi, the other bs stat, etc. show possession, but blocking a shot is a good
            thing in that the shot doesn’t get through. Playing defensively and making teams take bad shots may tilt your team corsi, but the SOG might be OK, meaning your goalie didn’t see a lot of shots that were difficult
            to stop. This is where a shot chart of the Corsi events would be useful.

            Just because I directed a puck toward the net, doesn’t mean it was always a good thing.
            Food for thought: The standards for what a shot/miss/block are subjective to the NHL scorer too, right?

          • lizmcneill

            “Just because I directed a puck toward the net, doesn’t mean it was always a good thing.”

            It’s better thing than the puck being directed towards your net. Even for Fro, there’s a non-zero chance it goes in. (and even for Jonny, there’s an 86% it doesn’t, but you wouldn’t tell him not to shoot).

            Blocking a shot is a good thing, but if a team blocks 10 shots in a period and only gets 2 of their own, I don’t think the coach would be too happy.

  • birdhead

    Reluctantly, what a beautiful save from Ryan Miller.

  • birdhead

    Blues can’t frigging do the Hawks a solid. Naturally.

    • Bob in EP

      Blues blowing their collective gasket.

      • lizmcneill

        You’d think with all the practice they’ve had in not winning anything, they wouldn’t be such sore losers.

  • lizmcneill

    what is up with Tyler Dellow’s hate for Crow? Apart from Boston none of the other Cup contenders have elite
    goaltending either. Well, unless you count the Rags as a contender,
    anything’s possible in the East.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      What did he say about him? The only thing I remember him saying was that it was moronic to pay him 6×6 based on one [shortened] season that was totally out-of-pattern for him stats-wise, especially when the Hawks still had a year to evaluate him and potentially get him at a lower cost.

      And he was kinda right.

      • lizmcneill

        That Crow makes Chicago “the second most flawed of the big 5″.

        Quick: .915
        Miller: .916
        Nemo: .916
        Crawford: .915
        Rask: .927
        (Fleury: .910, .916 during Crow’s NHL career)

        There’s an outlier there, but it’s not Crow. Yeah, it would have been better if his contract had been ~30M, but they didn’t pay him like a .924 goalie. .924 goalies get 50M+.

        • ToewsCheatCode

          Link? I’d like to read the breakdown.

          • lizmcneill

            There wasn’t a breakdown, it was a tweet. I’m not even sure what he meant by “big 5″, thus my inclusion of PIT as well as the 4 from the west and the obvious Boston.

    • CozBullsFan

      Who is Tyler Dellow?

      • 10thMountainFire

        He’s like Tyler Durden but not.

        • CozBullsFan

          Hi XMF.

          • 10thMountainFire

            COZ!

      • lizmcneill

        mc79hockey on twitter.

        • CozBullsFan

          Ah, that would be why I don’t know him. I rarely visit that site.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Don’t go down thread. Smelly down there.

          • lizmcneill

            What happened? We won 2 games, the trolls should be back under the bridges.

          • 10thMountainFire

            A lot of Lisa Simpson disease: ‘Springfield’s answer to a question nobody asked.’

          • ToewsCheatCode

            It’s a great site. Dellow was one of the most outspoken in support of Toews play during the playoffs when everybody was criticizing his lack of production.

    • birdhead

      Rask, Niemi, Quick, Miller, Crawford. (I follow him and I’m pretty sure those are the big 5. He has the least respect for St Louis as a cup contender.)

      I like Crow a lot, and I know you agree that his contract is bad, and if you want you can make an argument that he’s been as good as Quick or Niemi this season. He’s not on a par with Rask or Miller imo. However, I sneakily suspect that Dellow just hasn’t looked at his numbers since he was laughing at the Crow contract earlier this season.

      There’s an argument that Crow doesn’t have the resume of some of those guys, too. YMMV.

      • cliffkoroll

        It’s funny cuz Rask and Miller have yet to win Cups.

        Less than a year ago, Boston fans were getting ready to feast on Rask until that game 7 comeback against Toronto.

        • birdhead

          Yeah but the Hawks are so amazing that Crow will never get credit for it (despite the fact that he should have won the Conn Smythe) (and if *I* think that …)

          Rask has been pretty incredible. Liz is right when she points out that he looks a cut above the other contenders.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Approaching half Bollig…

    • 1benmenno

      Full Bollig=800?

      • 10thMountainFire

        Aye… 857.

        • jordyhawk

          Curiously, 857 is a prime number whereas by many accounts Bollig is a sub-prime player.

  • Joe Banks

    Is Dicqus sucking again?

    • CozBullsFan

      Not for me. What is it doing?

  • CozBullsFan

    No one will notice. I guarantee it.

    • CozBullsFan

      Muwhahahahaha

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Sure they will. Looks good and needs some adds. I feel Bolly is worth more mention. Fabulous Weapon, for instance…

        • CozBullsFan

          I see what you did there.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Challenge. Accepted.

        • CozBullsFan

          Cheater

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’ll link it. I’ll do it. Don’t tempt me. I’ll…

          • CozBullsFan

            I’ll do it for you.

            http://bit.ly/IqT6zt

          • 10thMountainFire

            Excellent job, Coz. Greatness on an internet page.

          • CozBullsFan

            Heh. Indeed it is.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It’s more musical than I anticipated. I’m not sure who the red-haired guy is but I would imagine that’s the cookiemonster.

          • CozBullsFan

            I admit I think it’s catchy. Funny how it got meme’d so fast. I’m sure he laughing too with all the money he made from Youtube ads.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I remember this starting in 2009. Roll’d

  • 10thMountainFire

    Go ‘favorite’ the Guide, everyone.

    And thank Coz.

    • CozBullsFan

      Dammit XMF! Always gotta ruin the fun! I bet you’re the guy that always pointed out Waldo too.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Sure. But we all knew that guy was hiding in Abottabad the entire time.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Fun Waldo Fact: One of the books was banned because of an exposed cartoon breast… profile.

          • CozBullsFan

            Not surprised. Thank Gaad that that kind of censoring doesn’t happen anymore.

        • CozBullsFan

          Heh. The hardest where’s waldo of all time.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It’s all fun and games until they find Just for Men and pornography in your fundamentalist compound.

          • CozBullsFan

            I was not surprised about that. Growing up, his family was very westernized.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It’s true that pornography is routinely found in the hideouts of these dudes.

            They can’t escape ‘Murica. They can try. But ‘Murica finds them. Right in the pants.

          • CozBullsFan

            Hahahaha. Maybe the CIA should start using porn with subliminal messages to destroy Al Qaeda. It wouldn’t be difficult to do. Also, lol at the picture below. Mr. Fundamenalist looking all metrosexual.

            http://imgur.com/gallery/tbVYSYg

          • 10thMountainFire

            He should have conducted a war against his wardrobe.

      • Z-man19

        Looks good, good work Coz

        • CozBullsFan

          I only started the document and annoyed you all enough to finish it. It was a group effort.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You’re going to have to answer to the Coca-Cola Company.

          • CozBullsFan

            And my answer would be Mexican Coca-Cola. Far superior to American Coca-Cola. Cane sugar>high-fructose corn syrup.

          • Z-man19

            A circular effort

          • CozBullsFan

            Pivot men included.

          • Hawkeytalk

            Bees, hives and such.

    • Paul the Fossil

      Done.

  • Joe Banks

    Penguins Matta out with undisclosed injury…
    Hey, what’s a Matta?

  • CozBullsFan

    Anyone watching the Kings/Cannucks game? The LA announcers were talking about the whole GMMG radio interview. Torts made GMMG look like a fool. He said something like that should be handled internally. Also, he accepted that he had made mistakes. I hope GMMG gets the boot for Vancouvers sake.

    • 10thMountainFire

      GMMG needs to stay. Anarchists and such.

      • CozBullsFan

        As much as I dislike the Cannucks, I want GMMG gone. He’s the source of their bad culture. I think the city deserves better. Change the culture of the team, change the culture of the fans.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I think I will simultaneously cringe and laugh if David Bolland ends up in Vancouver. Something tells me it could happen.

          • CozBullsFan

            I could see it happening. He would be forgiven and accepted so fast it would make your head spin. The whole he’s our rat like we used to say.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I would hate to have to hate him.

          • CozBullsFan

            I could never bring myself to hate him. Besides, the Hawks know how Bolland operates. They wouldn’t fall into his hands as easily as the Cannucks did.

          • Hawkeytalk

            As sad as this makes me, VAN is no longer a real rival. So if Bolly ended up there, it’d be a meh for us. I’d wish him a ton of luck and a big paycheck, along with team mediocrity.

  • 10thMountainFire
    • CozBullsFan

      I think the Jets are giving up on Kane too soon. Like Boston with Seguin. It all starts with the front office. The Hawks front office worked hard to help Kane to mature. They understood that given his talent, he deserved a chance to show that he could become the player they hoped he would be. He was given an ultimatum after his Wisconsin fiasco, and look at him now. The Bruin’s front office did not approach the Seguin situation seriously. They thought he could do it on his own and they just passed him off. Now he’s playing lights out in Dallas. The Jets need to sit Evander down like Stan did with Kane. He is part of their core. Trading him would be stupid.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Price tag is high, especially in the context of the Hawks near and long-term plans. But I’d love to have Evander Kane in an Indianhead sweater. He’s going to be 30+/g a year eventually. Agreed that dealing him is stupid.

        • CozBullsFan

          I would love to have Kane in the Indianhead as well. He could be the next Sharp.

          Dear Winnipeg,

          Don’t become the new Flyers.

          Signed,
          The Flyers

          • 10thMountainFire

            /Money’d

  • Paul the Fossil

    With their season on the line the Leafs lost to Winnipeg. At home. Got out-shot 41-25.

    E. Kane was a healthy scratch for the Jets and Buff left halfway through with an injury. Toronto also got four powerplays to Winnipeg’s two, still got horsed…I’m gonna guess that they got booed off the ice.

    With 3 games left they are still only one point behind Columbus for the last East playoff spot but the BJs have two games in hand. Not to mention that the Devils are now tied with the Leafs with one game in hand…basically Toronto’s done, and that fate has been well-earned from the management on down.