Quenneville

These Pictures Of Q

This is a post I’ve been meaning to do for a while, and some have asked me to write. One of the things I think the internet and blogs and just the wealth of outlets have sadly done to most debates (sports and non) is that every issue is either black or white. There’s two sides to everything. Sometimes there’s only one, and sometimes there’s a whole bunch.

I haven’t done a good job of balancing out my full view on Joel Quenneville. I point out what I don’t like an awful lot, and that throws me into the “Thinks Q is a complete idiot” category. Well, he simply can’t be a complete idiot. Nearly 700 NHL wins would tell you that. But ’tis the season to be nice and all that, so let me try and round out the picture that I and a lot of others have of Q by illustrating what I think he’s done and does well. You already know most of the complaints.

-His overriding philosophy. And it’s one a lot of teams don’t understand and get wrong. Q believes in defensive responsibility with speed. The Hawks speed isn’t just being able to streak up the ice to score, beating defenders to the outside, and tearing through the neutral zone. Where their speed is truly devastating is actually in reverse, on the backcheck. They Hawks can squeeze teams so quickly, and it’s why their defense can stand up at their blue line and basically give the opponents about 10 feet to play in. All the Hawks D can be so aggressive because even if they miss there’s a retreating forward right on the puck-carriers’ ass. It’s how they cause so many turnovers in the neutral zone and turn it around so quickly into odd-man rushes for themselves. Essentially the Hawk forwards push the opponents into the jagged rocks of the defense at a speed faster than the opponents want to play and they have to make decisions quicker than they want. It’s the base for the Hawks’ entire game.

And I think it’s what a lot of teams trying to emulate the Hawks don’t get right. The Oilers and Avalanche come readily to mind. They think they can just toss a bunch of fast forwards out there and it magically happens. They don’t have the defensive effort, or the smarts, or the aggressive defensemen who know when to be to make it work. It’s like what John Paul Jones said about drummers who try to emulate John Bonham but never get it right. They’re always, “UNG! BASH! UNG! BASH!” They thought just hitting the drums hard and loud was enough. They missed the intricacies and little things that made Bonzo the best. Same with Q’s system. And we have to be wildly appreciative of it.

-It would be silly to think the development of Duncan Keith, Niklas Hjalmarsson, and Johnny Oduya playing the best hockey of his career happened completely outside Q’s influence. Especially as he was a blue-liner. Hammer bounced back from two terrible seasons. Keith didn’t blossom until Q replaced Savard. Seabrook was better than Keith there for a while. This simply can’t have happened with Q not having anything to do with it.

-The team’s attitude. Aside from the Game 4 meltdown against Scum in 2009, I can’t remember this team ever losing its mind like Vancouver or Pittsburgh or others have. As some have pointed out, the team never panicked when down 3-1 against Detroit last year, or being one period away from elimination. It didn’t blow up when a terrible call seemingly snatched away a Game 7 winner (although I certainly did and knew it was all over). As Game 4 against Boston was going haywire the team never quit and never even looked like it ever thought it was going to lose it. Certainly that’s brought in from the coach. How would Torts or Vigneault have handled these situations?

-While I don’t care for his handling of goalies all the time, I can’t remember Q ever calling out a skater by name after a game. Generally it always feels like a coach is trying to deflect blame when he throws a particular player or players under the bus. Q never does that. It’s one unit. And maybe it’s because he views the team game almost nullifying what the goalie does that he treats them differently. If the Hawks are on their game, the goalie will play well and it’s obvious when he doesn’t.

-He’s an avid horse player, and so am I. There aren’t many of us left.

-The discipline. For most of my childhood the Hawks were one of the most penalized, dunderheaded teams around. You can still find fans who loved that and still can’t adjust to that. They were also under the impression there was some conspiracy from the NHL against the Hawks that they were penalized so much because of Tom Lysiak tripping a ref. Well, either they got tired of the ruse or Q has washed that away with a team that rarely puts itself behind the 8-ball with penalties.

There’s probably a couple others I’m forgetting, and you may mention them in the comments. I guess think of it like this: The overall structure and look of the building is awesome, I just quibble with the construction of certain floors at times that I fear will hurt the integrity of the whole building. It’s a complicated picture, as things tend to be.

  • Hi, I’m Bob LeDonne

    I don’t get why a Q hater would write this article. Makes no sense to me.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Spot on. We love to rant about the little things Q does that drive us crazy. We fault him for the losses, but we credit the players for the wins.

    Every great coach has the same motto: Be Reasonable, do it MY way.

    From an X’s and O’s standpoint, the attribute that made Q a genius for moving Buff to forward is the same attribute that makes him an idiot for moving Brookbank to forward.

    You can fault his strategies, hard to fault his handling of the players.

    • SamFels

      Actually, Savard moved Buff to forward. Q just didn’t undo it.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        Well then fire Q and rehire Svard…..
        On second thought….

      • Tornsys

        The “Contact Us” button wasnt working so I’ll take this opportunity to say I miss your round table podcasts :(

        • SamFels

          We know, we want to do one. But all of our schedules, especially McClure’s and Killion’s, are pretty heavy and it’s hard to find time for all three of us to get together. Hopefully in the new year.

      • Waylon

        and it took some large gonads IMHO to move Savvy to another position in the organization at the point in time. That could’ve been the makings of another nasty Hawks PR blunder, I was shocked at the time at how smooth the transition was done.

  • Tornsys

    I really like what you did here. The only other thing I’d add is just how much the team plays for this guy. I got the feeling a couple years ago during the 9 game skid that the players were truly worried about losing Q and it gave me the impression that we likely wont see them stop working for him like you see happen to guys like AV that angry guy in VAN. I may be completely wrong here, but he also reminds me of Hayden Fry with regard to his handling of the head part of the game.

    • lizmcneill

      I think the core buys into Q and brings the rest of the team along with them. You’re Saad or Mutt or Fro and you see Kaner busting his ass double-shifting all over the depth chart in f’ing Denver because he “doesn’t want to disappoint Q” – you won’t want to disappoint Q either.

  • cliffkoroll

    The Quenneville Hawks are perennially one of the least penalized teams in the league- usually a sign of good coaching.

    Also, one of the least physical teams in the league, always near the bottom of the league in hits, which one might think would endear him to the quixotic “eliminate violence from hockey” movement.

    Two Cups with two different unremarkable goalies.

    • SamFels

      DAMN IT. I knew I forgot something. I’m adding that back in.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I would go with ‘unremarkable’ on Crow so far. But Niemi has risen to near-elite status, has he not?

      • Waylon

        he most certainly has – but in that season with the Hawks, not so much. So point taken.

        • 10thMountainFire

          i’m not too familiar with you so forgive me if I’m telling you something you’re already aware of. I’m not sure if you were around in 2009-2010 at the old place, SCH.

          There was a palpable hatred of Huet by one faction of the boards and the opposite faction considered the Huet hatred stupid. It got to the point where people just sort of ignored the subject after a while because it would often degenerate into entire threads of back-and-forth. But the Huet apologists were insistent that he was capable of both being a Stanley Cup goaltender and that Niemi was untested and unproven. Games like the one in Minnesota were Huet blew a 5-0 lead almost entirely by himself sort of cemented Niemi as the starter but Niemi also blistered through with shutouts at a surprising rate. So in the end, it was a clear decision by March. But that didn’t stop some from pointing to any number of statistical analyses that would ostensibly prove their assertion that Huet should remain the starting netminder.

          I am not positing that this will happen with Crawford/Raanta but so far the discussion sort of lends itself to comparisons.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Post corrected, by the way. I didn’t notice that I was replying to you, Waylon. I thought it said ‘guest’.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            I can see how people may want to make the comparison, but in the end I do not think it is really close. Crow just won a Jennings and Stanley Cup, and many think he should have won the Con Smythe as well. Crow’s numbers are NOT bad, Huets were, shall we put it, below average in 2010. Niemi was playing lights out, while Huet was playing, “see how many you can score tonight guys”, the SV% with the same D was substantial and the play in front of Huet and Niemi was noticeably different, the D played less confidently wit h Huet than Niemi. I do not see this with Crow and Raanta. Even at eithers worse so far this season, the goalies are playing more than well enough for the Hawks to win, Huet was not. Now if we can only fix the PK.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It’s still not enough. Some people still think we won in spite of Crow, not in large part because of his play last post season.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            The Hawks flat out won the SC because of Crawford in the playoffs. He had a what 1.91 GAA or something like that! The Hawks won the Greatest Bestest award a Hockey Team can ever win (if you live I Vancouver) the President’s Trophy because of Crow and Emery.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I have also made similar points. There are those, of relatively high hockey IQ I might add, who disagree. I personally don’t understand it but find that it’s similar to those that hate Jay Cutler.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            I am a Packers Fan. I laugh at any CHI QB, well the Bears in general! lol (happens when you have Favre followed by Rodgers from 1992-Present)

          • 10thMountainFire

            That hurts. It’s a good thing I have two Stanley Cups to assuage my emotional football pain.

          • Accipiter

            Crow’s playoff performance last year isn’t an issue, he was pretty awesome. This year his play to date hasn’t been great, he needs to be better, fairly simple.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            5v5 he is doing pretty god, well above NHL AVG. It is 4v5 that is killing the Hawks and Crows SV% and the whole PK is hot Garbage.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That’s fair enough. Solid logic.

          • cliffkoroll

            Maybe I’m confused. I thought I was responding to a comment about last year.

            Anyway, Huet was a head case, Crow ain’t. I think several players became frustrated with Huet, but the team is 100% behind Crow, as they should be. He won a Cup.

            In short, a completely different situation.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I agree. There’s really no comparison on the two situations.

          • cliffkoroll

            Wrong. Let me put it this way: Crow had to be better last year than Nemo was in 2010. And he was.

            He was one of the top goalies in the playoffs. One of them. Not the best. Not as good as Rask.

            He gets huge kudos, in my mind, for the double- and triple- overtime wins, where there was no margin for error.

            And in Game 5 against Boston, he made a lead stand up.

            But several, several times, it was the offense bailing out Crow after giving up a third period goal (game 6 in Detroit I recall prominently- very bad goal), almost never a ‘hunker down and ride our goalie through this’ mentality, like, say, LA and Quick.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I would agree Crow wasn’t Rask. But Quick, even being extraordinary in the first two rounds, could be assessed to have been comparable more to Crow than Rask based on his performance in the WCF which was, in all fairness, above average but not ‘elite’.

          • 10thMountainFire

            But that said, I don’t see where you’re saying what my comment stated was ‘wrong’. That comment simply communicated the way the debate evolved in 2009-2010. That was fact. There was hand-wringing and griping by the Huet supporters throughout the season that Niemi wasn’t the better choice to start.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Sorry Waylon… I thought I was replying to someone else. I initially said I wasn’t familiar with you. I corrected the post.

      • cliffkoroll

        Nope. I still got Nemo in the same boat as, say, Jimmy Howard and Crow, maybe a bit ahead of Crow in terms of experience, but the same boat. OK, it’s a roomy boat. Promising, on the ‘above’ side of average, capable of playing great, but still uneven.

        And, obviously, good enough over the past four years.

        • 10thMountainFire

          That’s also fair. I would assess Niemi is comparable to Howard and Crow. I would suppose it’s easier to assess and differentiate or distinguish ‘the elite’ (Lundqvist, Rask, Rinne, Price, Quick) from the ‘above average’ (Niemi, Crow, Luongo, Howard, Bob, etc).

    • Jack Kresl

      You don’t need to hit when you have the puck, and the Hawks have the puck a lot.

      • cliffkoroll

        Yes, some truth to this. Just don’t tell the Kings.

      • cliffkoroll

        I will say that Vancouver and even St. Louis have moved up the evolutionary scale since they started emphasizing possession more.

        In a sense, this can be tied back to props for the mustachioed one, at least as midwife to the Detroit Model here. Of course, the specter of Scotty looms over all of this- God bless the man.

  • Fleshrifle

    There are maybe 2 other guys that I would have more confidence in than Q. One of them is sitting in the Hawks front office guiding his kid. The other will be busy running the Canadian team (and some shit show in the Leastern Conference).

  • BestPredsForward

    The fact that they never seemed to be distracted by the “Streak to the Sea” (or whatever we were calling it) last year or the fact that they played really well after the “Blackhawk Down” streak of 2012 seems to show that Q keeps the team from being distracted by past performance.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      I thought it was called “24…bloop…bleep…bloop…bleep…”

  • Waylon

    I think the problems with Q can be boiled down to the fact that we’re all spoiled by prosperity, something we rarely see in Chicago regarding sports franchises. Akin to the Bull’s remarkable run in the 90′s, the Hawks are seemingly in the same zone in terms of excellence, from top to bottom of their franchise right now. They have their M.O. locked in, as well as the players, coaches, management and ownership dedicated to executing it.

  • Mike

    I’m a spoiled sports fan with this team, I’ll gladly toast to him here.

    To Q.

  • Paul the Fossil

    One thing about Q’s overall philosophy, which you’ve nicely described, is how modern it is. It really depends on the modern-era version of an NHL roster, the concept perfected by the 2000s Red Wings, of four lines and three pairs who rotate relentlessly and always skate intense short shifts.

    (A team having even one full line of old-school big plodding bangers can’t play the way the Hawks do because that line won’t be able to keep up the pace. So either the opposition exploits that line to get an endless collection of odd-man breaks or else the other lines get worn out by taking longer shifts to compensate. In the Hawks’ system even a single relatively-slow skater, viz Bollig or Handzus, stands out and makes us all queasy.)

    No NHL team in the era of Q’s playing career really followed Q’s coaching system. Well except as a temporary thing, the way NBA teams will sometimes switch to a full-court press…moreover Quenneville personally as a player could not play well in this system. (He was a well-regarded but by his own admission slowfooted stay-at-home defenseman of an older school.)

    To me that’s interesting: as a coach he’s adopted and committed to a structure which neither his own playing career nor the hockey traditions he grew up in could have provided examples for. The exact opposite of so many reactionary coaches and hockey mediots for whom the way it was done back in the day (whenever their specific day was) is forevermore the template of what they consider to be holy and correct…Q is the anti-Milbury, we might say.

    • Mosy9

      ive always thought this to be interesting as well. . .I sometimes picture Q yelling at the D to get them to be more involved in the offense and the D giving him a hard time back about how he never did when he was a player

  • Mosy9

    I really enjoyed this read, good to see all sides, thanks

  • matthew

    Agreed to the horseplayer point! Sad to see Hollywood close this weekend.

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    This article…somewhere, fussy babies are smiling, puppies and kittens are snuggling, Fox News doesn’t use the word “liberal” when they really mean “scum sucking sewer denizen that deserves immediate death”…all this love. I think I’m going to throw up.

    • 1benmenno

      No, you must be Don Francisco’s sister.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        No, you’re a great kidder.

        • 1benmenno

          No, it is a greater honor for me.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Can we eat first?

  • DesertHawk

    What’s horse? Like the basketball game we played in school?

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Not sure if the sarcasm font in on here, but I think Sam is talking about betting on horses as he’s made references to it in the past.

      • DesertHawk

        Nope not sarcastic at all. Betting on horses is called “playing horse”? Interesting. I also had not ever noticed Sam’s predilection for the track.

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          I think people who bet on horses call it “playing the horses,” but I could be misinformed. I’ve been to like 2 or 3 horse races in my life. Liked them, but never learned the lingo or how to bet much beyond win, place, and show.

          • DesertHawk

            I love horse racing, from the equine perspective(speed, power, accomplishments). Never been able to follow it too much, because it’s pretty brutal on the animals. I’m not much of a gambler personally so I don’t know anything about that aspect of it. As a younger person I genuinely cried after the (I think) third Triple Crown hopeful in a year failed in a row, for a (I still believe) genuine fear that no one will win it in my lifetime.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Yeah, different tracks and conditions and those races are tough. Not sure we’ll see another, but you never know. I had the luck of going to the Derby once and was betting on all the races prior (small amounts… just to get my bearings) and I kept winning. Of course, I bet it all on the Derby and lost it all. That was the year that MC Hammer’s horse won. Fucking hell.

          • DesertHawk

            One of my parents’ horses is one of the grandmunchkins of Affirmed (IIRC). He is obviously not as successful, he was a rescue. He’s still got his racer’s mark though and his track record was like 2 places in 4 races I think. The theory is that he had a gate accident (he has a healed broken jaw) and was too gate shy to run again.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Sucks about the broken jaw. That’d make anyone gun shy I suppose.

          • DesertHawk

            He’s a funny horse though. Will charge the fence if he’s out in open pasture, if someone he doesn’t know approaches. He runs real hot.

          • Waylon

            I’m old enough to have watched Secretariat win the whole shebang, and that was the last time I was truly interested in the sport. I think he was sired by “Man o’ War,” and he certainly lived up to the billing.

  • AirTrafficAJ

    Sam:

    Great article, but a question: Do you think that Q pays any attention to the advanced metrics that you guys like to use? For the life of me, I just can’t picture him using QualComp or Behind the Net ratings. StanBow, however, I can totally see him down with those, and maybe that’s why they are at loggerheads sometimes.

    No evidence to back any of this up, just a gut feeling.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

      IMO, he is probably aware of stats, but only to a point of helping gauge who to put out with who. I doubt Q really gets into the in depth stuff, he has to deal with what he has, not what the numbers have. That is what he gets paid to do, to Coach the team and numbers only do so much to aid that.

    • lizmcneill

      Stan has said he was the stats guy back when he joined the org, so quite possibly.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

    He has his name on the Cup twice (I think only twice, well only two really count if it is more! lol)
    He has coached the worst PK in the NHL (I know it is 28th, but get real, they are terribad) to the best record (so far) in the NHL. Do you know how fucking hard it is to do that??? Just wait until the PK DOES EVENTUALLY get unfucked, that will be glorious!
    He was part of River Scum, so……………………..
    Also, he is not associated with the Predators in any way, except in their fucking nightmares!

    • DesertHawk

      He’s on it as an Ass. Coach for the Avs I believe.

      • Accipiter

        No, sir.

        • DesertHawk

          In 96.

          • Accipiter

            He worked in STL at that time.

          • DesertHawk

            STL was 96-97. Cup was 95-96… I guess?

          • Accipiter

            Yus, the Avs won the Cup in 95-96.

          • Z-man19

            Were you wrong, again?

          • Accipiter

            As far as ?

          • Z-man19

            Q’s cups. I believe he did get one with the Avs as an assistant

          • CozBullsFan

            That he did.

          • Accipiter

            Yes, sir.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Actually it’s the preds who have nightmares, of Hossa coming out of the box and no one checking him.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

        It was the Preds nightmares I was referring to.

  • VanDorp’sMullet
  • DesertHawk

    A humorous side note for everyone. We bought my son an abacus today (he’s been struggling with counting).

    • Z-man19

      Ha

    • Joe Banks

      That should avert any crisis… where did you get it? – I have grandkids…..

      • CozBullsFan

        Ok, serious comment. All jokes aside, an abacus is a great learning tool for kids. If you know how to use one properly, take the time to show your kids/grandkids/random kid on the street. It’s promotes solving basic math in your head. With time and practice, kids can learn how to solve maths in ways that make teachers have WTF moments. Case in point, my teachers getting angry at me because I didn’t show work when doing tests or assignments. It’s not that I didn’t know how to do it, the way I got there is not the way they were teaching it.

      • DesertHawk

        Game Daze at the mall. It’s a chain but I don’t know if it’s regional only.

  • Joe Banks

    Although I love the writing from all of the legendary “TOS” , the Bonham reference was brilliant! Thank you, Sam Fels!

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

    I am in the Navy, and I am just totally lost on the John Paul Jones Reference. (JPJ is considered the Father of the Navy).

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Bass player from Led Zeppelin, too! :-)

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

        Yeah, they are not Garth Brooks, George Jones and George Strait.

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          Nope, not even a little. Are those your boys?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            They are more up my alley. I listen to other stuff on occasion, but Country is more me.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            You missed our convo during the Nashville game about country music. It was good times.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            No I sit and watch the games these days as much as I can. Anything Nashville is pissing me off to no end right now, so what was the 30,000ft view of the convo?

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Mostly it was just swapping back and forth different country artists that we like. I think most of those who like country tend to like some of the traditional artists like Cash, Cline, Williams, etc. Just kind of fun to see what people like.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            I am actually partial to the late 1980′s and later. I am a fan of George Strait to Rascal Flatts to Taylor Swift

          • Z-man19

            STOP right there, I like you and would rather you not go further with this

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            Expand your horizon?

          • Z-man19

            I’ve heard plenty of country music, I’ll tolerate it if I must but I usually don’t have to

          • CozBullsFan

            I can’t tolerate it much anymore. I always made my best friend put on rock when I rode around with him. Country reminds me of every reason I moved away from my hometown. Just a whole lot of nothing there.

          • Waylon

            …don’t forget ol’ Waylon and Willie.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Your namesake!

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            why does my screen have you as matthew?

          • Z-man19

            Disqus has gone biblical?

      • Z-man19

        One could argue that Zep consisted of the 4 best musicians ever at their respective instruments

        • CozBullsFan

          In my opinion, Page is up there, but Hendrix takes the cake.

          • jordyhawk

            Carlos Santana.

          • CozBullsFan

            If I had a second choice, that would be it. It’s tough. Hard to find two guys that had a greater effect on how the guitar is played today. One other guy I would probably include is Tom Morello from RATM. He is an artist like Santana and Hendrix. They did/do things with a guitar that no one ever though possible.

          • activestick

            John Entwistle’s instrumental approach used pentatonic lead lines, and a then-unusual trebly sound (“full treble, full volume”) created byroundwound RotoSound steel bass strings. He was nicknamed “The Ox”, as well as “Thunderfingers” – because his digits became a blur across the four-string fretboard.[3] In 2011, a Rolling Stone reader poll selected him as the greatest bassist of all time.[4] The Biography Channel has declared that John Entwistle is considered by many to be the best bass guitarist that ever lived, and that it is often said that he did for the bass what Jimi Hendrix did for the guitar.[5]

          • chidiver

            I agree with this. He, and to a lesser extent, Moon, WERE the sound of the Who. If you

            haven’t watched the documentary An Ox’s Tale, its well worth your while. My Generation…first bass solo in rock n roll ever.

          • CozBullsFan

            That’s a separate discussion to be had. He stands out as the best choice for bass. Even though bass is guitar, it should been in it’s own category as the skill set is different.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Rock bass, anyway. There are few other bassists that had different styles that don’t even compare…Jaco Pastorius, Mick Karn, even Peter Hook for his pushing bass to the forefront of the melody. There’s just no way of putting those guys and Entwistle all in the same group.

          • chidiver

            Pastorius was amazing, but not something I listen to every day.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Neither Entwistle for that matter. At least not any more.

          • thefearlessfreep

            Les Claypool?

          • VanDorp’sMullet
          • Z-man19

            Name another band with 4 guys in the conversation of best at their position

          • Preacher

            Barry Manilow? The Carpenters?
            Oh, wait, am I in the wrong thread??? Dang!

          • Accipiter

            Rush ?

          • chidiver

            Umm…4?

          • Accipiter

            I have no idea. I was guessing.

          • chidiver

            Maths….they are hard.

          • Accipiter

            I know nothing about Rush, except for I am not a fan of them.

          • Z-man19

            You took the ‘I’m gonna be wrong’ pills today apparently

          • Accipiter

            They are delicious.

          • Z-man19

            Like jelly beans?

          • Accipiter

            Yes, but better.

          • Z-man19

            Jolly Rancher jb’s are damn tasty, don’t know how it gets better

          • CozBullsFan
          • Z-man19

            Those suck and you’re an asshole if you think otherwise ;)

          • CozBullsFan

            I guess that makes me an asshole! No regrets.

          • Z-man19

            I’ve never tried them, just thought I’d change it up a little

          • 1benmenno

            No, you must be Don Francisco’s sister.

          • CozBullsFan

            LOL. Same comment twice? You are really trying to get a point across.

          • 1benmenno

            No, debe ser la hermana de Don Francisco.

          • CozBullsFan

            Jajaja! Es loco we. Ya no soy la hermana de Don Fransisco.

          • Z-man19

            Can you believe this guy? I even got him a Xmas gift

          • CozBullsFan

            I see how it is. Where’s my Christmas gumball?

          • Z-man19

            I don’t share a cell with you AND our bet has yet to be determined

          • CozBullsFan

            Our bet wasn’t over a christmas gumball! Excuses excuses.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Do They Know It’s Xmas Gumball After All?

          • CozBullsFan

            *twitch*

          • Z-man19

            And I suppose my gift is in the mail?

          • CozBullsFan

            Unfortunately, DHS restricts the mailing of gumballs. Blame the terrorists.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            DHS – Desert Hawk Shipping?

          • CozBullsFan

            Yes. DH is an unwilling participant in a Department of Homeland Security program to restrict our gumball rights.

          • Z-man19

            So you made a bet with me knowing full well that if you lose, you won’t be able to pay me (this is not even considering the absurdity of a chili flavored gumball)

          • CozBullsFan

            Hold the phone. You’re the one that asked if I wanted to bet. You began the process of a bet while knowing full well that it could not be fulfilled!

          • Z-man19

            You’re point being?

          • CozBullsFan

            That’s some shady gumball action. Have you no honor?

          • Z-man19

            Is this a rhetorical question? OF COURSE I DONT, ITS A GUMBALL BET

          • CozBullsFan

            I don’t even know who you are anymore.

          • 1benmenno

            It was a Chanukah gift . . . idea.

          • Z-man19

            It should be your avatar

          • 1benmenno

            The Kvetch?

          • Z-man19

            Touches finger to nose

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Or maybe just a bottle of Kvetchup

          • 1benmenno

            The Condiment Who Ruined Christmas.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Perhaps you’re right. perhaps it is a greater honor for you.

          • 1benmenno

            Shall we dine?

          • CozBullsFan

            BOOOOO!

          • CozBullsFan

            I can’t name another band like that. Collectively, their average rating would be higher than any other. Saying they are the best at their respective instruments is something different. Not taking away from their greatness but, there are far better choices at each than the members of Zep.

          • Z-man19

            I did say arguably, so it’s definitely up for debate. I’d say you are correct in your assessment, the collection of talent is hard to beat

          • CozBullsFan

            Defining who is best at something considered artistic is always a crap shoot. If you define best as revolutionary, then that is a conversation worth having.

          • Z-man19

            True, it’s mostly subjective and really, what’s the point? Like arguing bout Towes and Kane, just be glad you get to watch both

          • CozBullsFan
          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Then you’d have to start looking at the Beatles. The Beach Boys (Pet Sounds) and my Pink Floyd in the classic rock genre. Bands like Joy Division, David Bowie, Television, the Velvet Underground… boy that’s a fun one to think about.

          • chidiver

            Yup

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            The Who. Possibly the Stones. But I agree. Zeppelin had it all in spades. Plus, their geeky fascination with Tolkien is endearing (at least to a fellow geek like me).

          • Bannerman

            Yes when they had Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Rick Wakeman though Allen White would be the weak link but that’s like syaing Leddy is the 5th best defenseman on the Hawks.

      • chidiver

        I’m a huge JPJ fan. His work on Them Crooked Vultures was great. He’s an incredible songwriter and arranger. He’s got his signature on a lot of current music. AND plays a mean mandolin also!

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          Haven’t listened to TCV. I’ll have to check it out. Is he the one playing mandolin on The Battle of Evermore?

  • chidiver

    Nice Sam! We are so spoiled that we wind up bitching and moaning about the little stuff and forget how he seems to have gotten the BIG things soooo right with this squad. He was smart and humble enough to adjust his “philosophy” and system to the Hawk’s inherent strengths and weaknesses. How many “elite” coaches would do that? Hitch? No. Carlyle? Hell no. Torts? Fuck no. Sutter? Probably not. Ruff? Maybe. Do Q’s natural biases bleed through every now and then? Absolutely. But not in ways that kill the golden goose.

    I think the locker room peer pressure also plays a role. Kaner and Sharp were a bit…ahem…lazy on the backcheck in the very beginning. I personally think Hossa’s presence is what changed that and showed them that an aggressive backcheck didn’t need to hurt their offensive output if executed properly. Q gave them the system to pull it off, too. When two of the most gifted offensive players in the league (plus Captain and Hoss) lead by example…..the rest of the team follows!

    • lizmcneill

      Imagine if they’d managed to resign Havlat instead?

      Definitely agree Hoss has elevated the 2-way play of the forward corps both by his own contribution, and by providing an example/challenge to rise to.

      The Avs/Oil/Stars can burn the Hawks in a game because the forwards have the speed to skate with them, but without the quality of the transition game provided by our mobile, intelligent defense and the forwards contributing to the team defense, they can’t keep it up long-term or over a 7-game series without getting lucky some other way.

  • CozBullsFan

    Evening everyone!

    • chidiver

      Coz!

      • CozBullsFan

        Chi!

        • chidiver

          What’s happening this evening?

          • CozBullsFan

            Not much. Enjoying a drink. Terribly long day today. High season is in full stride. Homeowners and renters coming and going. Lots of work to be done with so little time in the day. You?

            Edit: High season, not high. lol

          • chidiver

            Switching between the Bloooos and BJs game here. Oh, and enjoying a drink.

          • CozBullsFan

            Is Montreal just bad or are Scum Jr. playing well?

          • chidiver

            Yes. and water is wet.

          • CozBullsFan

            So no chance of a comeback then. Dammit.

          • chidiver

            A chance? sure. But not likely.

          • CozBullsFan

            With the way Montreal has been playing lately, that’s not something I would ever bet on.

          • chidiver

            Skille scored for the BJs.

          • CozBullsFan

            Good for him!

          • chidiver

            Philly just scored two in 53 secs to tie game. 4-4

          • CozBullsFan

            lol

          • chidiver

            Bloos are damn good this year

    • Z-man19

      Coz, look out, there’s agreement and civility here today. Some weird shit going on

      • CozBullsFan

        I’m so confused. Where am I? Is this real life?

        • Z-man19

          It sure as fuck ain’t Kansas Toto

          • CozBullsFan

            I’m ok with this. Hopefully it stays this way.

          • Z-man19

            I’m ok with it either way

          • CozBullsFan

            Anything exciting for you tonight?

          • Z-man19

            A full day of Hollywood Disney, sitting poolside at present.

          • CozBullsFan

            Can’t complain about that. Big crowd right now?

          • Z-man19

            Not an expert on the subject but don’t think this would be considered a big crowd. I’m not a fan of crowds so this is good

          • CozBullsFan

            I’m not either. I tend to stay away from the downtown of Cozumel during the day as we are the busiest cruise ship port in the world. 12-14 in port each day in high season! Way too many people.

  • DJ

    Excellent point about “defensive responsibility with speed.” It’s very much like Barcelona in soccer (and Bayern Munich, in due course). What separates them from the rest of the soccer world is not so much their enormous edge in possession, but how hard they work to get the ball back if they lose it.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

      You lost me at the soccer thing you referenced

    • CozBullsFan

      Yup, pretty good example of the system in a different sport. It’s pretty hard to have any decent time with possession against a team considered the best in the world. (talking about Barca)

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    HAHAHA Mike Smith!

    • CozBullsFan

      What’d he do now? Another attempt at an Oscar?

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        First SO he swept in but he covered so much with his pads that you couldn’t see the puck in the net. They scored it anyway and PHX loses.

        • CozBullsFan

          Karma

          • Joe Banks

            Did he talk to the league about it?

          • CozBullsFan

            I’m sure he complained to everyone he saw. Difference is most of them have learned to tune him out.

          • Joe Banks

            Bawahahaha!!

    • Joe Banks

      Bawahahaha!

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

    BUF beats BOS and NSH is losing to TBL! Ha! lol

    • CozBullsFan

      I’m glad NSH lost to TBL. TBL is playing some damn fine hockey without their best player.

  • Preacher

    I don’t like that Q screws with the players’ ice times, that he won’t play rookies as much, that he dresses “grit” guys over the speed ones we have, and blah, blah, blah. But there’s no other coach I would want coaching this team. The players have totally bought into his system and his demeanor (never panic) and he’s coached them to two Cups. (So far.)

  • CozBullsFan

    Giroux doing his best Kaner impression. Kaner still does it better.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4GdY-XV7C4&feature=youtu.be

    • Joe Banks

      nice!

      • Paul the Fossil

        Helluva goal but I wish it didn’t give the Flyers a win.

  • CozBullsFan

    So apparently Kane and Toews have been trying out a new line of Bauer equipment. Only 6 players have been using it. Refresh for link below.

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nhl/story/_/id/10169221/6-nhl-players-wear-new-lighter-gear?ex_cid=espnapi_internal

    • Accipiter

      Neat-o.

  • Joe Banks

    New drink – “The Raanta” = Rum & Orange Fanta

    • Accipiter

      Make me one please.
      (do not include the fanta)

      • Joe Banks

        And I’m thinking Rum + Grape Fanta = Anti Raanta

        • CozBullsFan

          You’ve left me hanging on what kind of rum! Inquiring minds must know!

          • Joe Banks

            starting with Baccardi, but that is negotiable

          • CozBullsFan

            White or spiced?

          • Joe Banks

            so far, white… but negotiable

          • CozBullsFan

            Ok, got a bottle of orange Fanta. I’ll give it a try and report back.

          • Joe Banks

            Yes!

          • CozBullsFan

            Not bad at all. I think it’s just fine as it is with white rum.

          • Joe Banks

            yay!

          • Joe Banks

            Hell, I’m just getting hammered…

            FYI, after 16 months of agony, I got a damn Job today!

          • CozBullsFan

            Good enough reason. Any sane person would have a celebration drink after 16 months of looking for a job.

          • Joe Banks

            Insane too!

          • CozBullsFan

            So I have to ask. Were you looking for a job in a specific field or was it a general search?

          • Joe Banks

            yes

          • Joe Banks

            specific…

          • CozBullsFan

            Yeah, that’s difficult. My degree and focus were not the best decision. All I’m going to say is I graduated right as the market crashed with a degree that should have allowed me to get a job in the financial sector. In hindsight, I regret going to college. It served no purpose other than to put me into debt.

          • Joe Banks

            It will eventually pay off

          • Joe Banks

            specific

          • CozBullsFan

            I think your Raantas are starting to take effect. lol

    • CozBullsFan

      This is something I could get behind. Depends on the kind of rum. I love me some Fanta.

      • Z-man19

        Hehe, Dupends

        • CozBullsFan

          Where is Du?

          • Z-man19

            Couch shopping?

          • CozBullsFan

            Price matching for Depends sales?

  • CozBullsFan

    Brown just got a game misconduct penalty for kneeing on Hertl. Not sure if that was the right call.

  • Joe Banks

    I did… andalready consumed it… ummmmmm gooood…. Raanta…

  • Joe Banks

    Dallas 4, Canucks 1 final?

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    That Wilson on Schenn hit we were all arguing about? Turns out it was pretty serious in the eyes of DoPS: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=696767&navid=nhl:topheads

    EDIT: Was previously bizzaro’d

    • CozBullsFan

      I was one of those that said it was bad right away. Going to play devil’s advocate now. I understand the DoPS reasoning. They gave a thorough explanation that makes sense in hindsight.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        I said hit was bad and still think it is but reasoned it would not be punished further because of Schenn’s actions. I also thought the charging was being exaggerated in the course of the witch hunt

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          For me, the whole thing of it–and this may not technically be in the rulebook–is that there is no place for Schenn to go on that hit except for shoulder or head/neck into the boards. Nothing else could have happened. And that’s the awful thing for me … it’s a hit where an injury is practically unavoidable, through no real fault of play by Schenn.

  • Joe Banks

    OT: How about Billie Jean and BrianKing Boitano punching the rooskies in the nutsack???
    Bawahahaha!!!

    • CozBullsFan

      I’m confused. Did you go for a joyride in your time machine again?

      • Joe Banks

        seeedit… fuck dicqus

  • VerStig

    I’ll be honest… I thought I was going to see pictures of Q’s ties…

    Still a great post … think it does show that Q has done a lot to make the most of the talent here, even if some of his decisions are real head-scratchers.

    • CozBullsFan

      We don’t have anything to complain about so we nitpick over personnel decisions. It’s a nice problem to have. My only complaint of Q is him being unreasonable when it comes to giving rookies such a short leash. Not every rookie should be held to the standards that Kane and Toews have.

  • cliffkoroll

    How about Andrew Shaw? Like most of us, I didn’t think much of Shaw at first. Q saw something there.

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      Well il just go ahead and toot my own horn: I went to the prospect scrimmage with my dad that year shaw was drafted, on the way home I said “look out for that shaw kid I bet we see him up here sooner than later”

    • lizmcneill

      Kruger, too. Depth centers for less than the price of 1 Boyd Gordon!

  • Simon Misrac

    the input of a coach does not begin and end with the in game machinations. as you mentioned, q almost has 700 wins and, until recently, has not had the talent of the canadian and islanders teams, to mention a few, who dominated their eras. that does not happen by accident. his work in the clubhouse is exemplary. he realizes he has incredible leadership in that room and takes full advantage of it. he does not have to feed his ego by dictating in the player’s room. he knows with the truncated schedule from last year and this year as well due to the olympics that the players need their rest and he has been great about that even after bad games when other coaches might have a kick ass practice the next day. you know the players appreciate it and it makes them want to go out and play for him even harder another aspect he is excellent at is keeping the stars happy with themselves, their mates, and the lesser performers. many criticized phil jackson’s success because he had such great talent. but he gave roles to those players and found a way to have them buy into his system without egos clashing. don’t forget, with all their talent the lakers won zilch until jackson came along a with his understanding of people made a team out of them. q is in that same discussion. in balance we are lucky to have him.

  • Chuck Miller

    Q is better at time management than any other coach in the league… both during and in between games. It allows for a more consitent effort game to game. Rest is more important than practice when playing 3 in 4.
    Compare Q to the other winter sports guy in town.

  • Commit88

    Great post. I think what Q does well outweighs what drives people nuts.