The Fallout

It’s rare that the Hawks do something so large that we need a full day to clear out all the feelings and stories from it. But here we are with Brandon Saad’s trade to Columbus.

A day later, I think it tells us a lot when Stan Bowman comes out and says that they weren’t even close in negotiations. Because look at Bowman’s record on this sort of thing: Kruger (possibly twice), Hjalmarsson, Oduya, and even Sharp and Seabrook for what they are have all signed deals probably below market value to stay in Chicago (you could argue Kane and Toews as well, if you really want). When Stan wants to get this done, if it’s in any way possible it almost always gets done. When he tells you they were miles apart, they were probably miles apart.

With that, there’s a natural urge to get angry at Saad and accuse him of empty words when he said he wanted to take less to stay. I think Saad genuinely believed that and wanted that. But this is why players have agents. Saad is a 22-year old with what I’m guessing is barely a high school education. He’s never been through this before, as your entry-level deal is pretty much dictated to you unless you go through four years of college. So he’s navigating this all for the first time. And I’m sure his agent Lewis Gross told him that he will get to stay, but he’ll get him a lot of money as well and he shouldn’t settle because he didn’t have to. I’m sure Gross told Saad worst case scenario was that he’d have to sign an offer sheet and the Hawks would match it. Because no one saw the Hawks trading him, and that probably included Gross and it certainly includes Saad, according to friend of the program’s Jay Zawaski.

I don’t want to say Saad got bad advice, because he’s going to get at least a 500% raise and make more money than we’ll ever dream of to play hockey. But I guess you can say that if Saad genuinely wanted to stay and would have taken less money to do it and his agent got him punted to Ohio. Remember, these are kind of naive kids essentially and an agent can fill their heads with just about anything. I don’t really want to paint Gross as a total villain because he’s just doing his job and I can’t prove he fucked this up. But that’s all it would be, is a fuck up. Stan may have been telling Gross the whole time if you don’t come down on your number we’re going to have to trade your client, and Gross just wanted to call his bluff. I doubt he was telling Saad about every single negotiation, as Saad would have trusted him to handle it.

I know some are balking that Arty The One Man Party (my brother’s nickname for him in Columbus) got an extension of $4.5 per year and that might end up being only $1 million less than Saad eventually gets. Two factors. One, Anisimov was heading into unrestricted free agency. Two, he’s a center and that’s simply more valuable than a wing. Play this out. The Hawks sign Saad for what he was asking for four years and he hits unrestricted free agency, all the while becoming the player we think he might alongside Toews. How much is he going to want then? $8 million per year? That might even be conservative.

You can say “Oh that’s still four years down the road and the cap could go up and they’d figure it out.” Yeah, it could. But it could not. And you’ll still be paying Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook (and Seabrook is far more valuable than Saad), Hjalmarsson (see Seabrook). Teuvo will be on his second contract. Crawford might still be here assuming the meatballs haven’t had him killed (after this third or fourth Cup, of course). There’s probably a Hossa recapture penalty to worry about then, assuming he’s not playing. It would be a problem. But that doesn’t enter into today.

Now the cap space? The Hawks hare going to have to get Versteeg and Bickell overboard, minimum. If they can do that they’ll have $8 million in space. Kruger probably eats up two of that. Desjardins and Nordstrom eat up a combined two? Johns and TVR as well, which leaves about $2 million in space for whatever the Hawks want to do with it (John Moore sounds nice).

Sharp still could go I suppose, and Stan could be more of a player today either via free agency or trade (you could make just a hockey trade with Sharp now instead of a straight salary dump). I don’t see it, but won’t rule it out. Sharp has two years left, and even a correction in his percentages sees probably 10-15 more goals than he scored last year, along with some better health.

In the end, it just sucks. It sucks because no one did anything criminally wrong here. It sucks because we all enjoyed watching Saad play so much. Who was the last power forward the Hawks produced in their system? Secord? (Though the Hawks might ask some questions about that “power” adjective). It sucks because we were all sure he would be here for years and become part of the core and go down in Hawks’ history. It sucks because it was such a shock.

But Stan isn’t allowed to have this sort of sentimentality. Bill Belichik doesn’t. The Spurs don’t, and those are your models in other capped sports. They’d scoff at the very idea. You’ve got to be so cold, so focused. The Hawks made one signing out of sentimentality recently, and that’s Bickell. You could argue Crow, but he’s now market value. Be glad you have a GM who doesn’t get bogged down with this.

 

  • jmontgo3

    Good take. I understand the hockey rationale and why it happened but it sucks.

  • chichicagochi

    I’d argue the Hawks have been caught up in Sharp sentimentality for years. We had a 2-Way Stanley Cup winning center who put up consecutive 30 goal seasons, who then refused to play 2-ways and refused to play center. He should have been traded 2 years ago and provides less to the squad than Bryan Bickell at this point.

    • lizmcneill

      What are you talking about, Sharp had more points than Bickell in both the regular season and post season.

      • chichicagochi

        Bickell has been obviously injured. He offers size, a heavier shot, annette presents, physicality, hits — all of which Bhawks are light on.

        What are you asserting Patrick Sharp offers this team for 6 million dollars a year?

        • Jane Doe

          Think the whole point is neither is offering much to this team at their respective cap hits.

          And, all your physical reasons and injury talk is the reason to move Bickell now, before he breaks down so much he’s unmovable.

        • WookRN

          Size: that worked out well for Anaheim, St. Loius, Nashville, etc, etc. Size isn’t skill. They aren’t mutually exclusive, both just parts. Need proof, you’re dear Annette (nice, btw) was closer to Shaw than probably any other Hawk. Bicks wans’t there much either.

          Is he worth 6? probably not. Which is why no one else wants to trade for that. But maybe we just ride this thing for 2 years instead of “dumping” and loosing our ass (which is probably why Stan still has him on roster)

          • chichicagochi

            Shaw was given opportunities normally afforded to Bicks because of his injuries. 65 took full advantage of his opportunities and I’m glad for it.

            We’re better off with Bickell+$2Mil than we are with Sharp is my point, although I’d rather have neither +10Mil

          • WookRN

            Then you should fill out an application for GM, since you obvious have a hold on this.

            Who were you trading Sharp and Bicks to?
            We’re overpaying them , you say, who’s gonna pick up those contracts?

            Whatever

    • Hags

      wow.

      Refused to play center? when? he was quoted a April 2013 in a Tribune article saying “I’d go back there 100 percent. We have four guys sitting out who are capable of playing there but if Joel asked me I would do it in a heartbeat”. I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like a guy refusing to play center.

      Refused to play 2 ways? he was specifically tasked this year with playing a more 2 way game, and his goal scoring suffered because of it. Read Jen LC’s article here about that: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/ct-patrick-sharp-blackhawks-analytics-spt-0612-20150612-story.html.

      • chichicagochi

        Sure he said to the media he’d do what asked, but did he show Coach Q anything that would make it seem that was anything but empty words? He didn’t work on faceoffs, he stopped playing D, he started floating at center ice waiting for a breakaway.Tasked this yearwith playing a 2way game to the tune of -8 ?

        You’re being nostalgic and buying the Sharp marketing the Blackhawks have been selling you.

        • WookRN

          Doesn’t play physical? He was the one retrieving pucks for TT. Did we watch the same playoffs?

          • chichicagochi

            lol he’s supposed to retrieve, its the playoffs… where did i say he didn’t retrieve dumps? He deserves lauding because he did a menial task? He deserves 6 mildo a year for doing what any bluechip prospect can?
            Patrick Sharp was -8 for the regular season playing against the bottom 6 of the league. He scored 16 goals.

          • WookRN

            I mean failed face offs he was retrieving against the wall. OH, PLUS MINUS.

            Nevermind. You are sold on your rumors that he’s not a team player, despite being an alt captain, etc etc.

            You’re done wasting my time.

        • Hags

          ahhhh it’s the damn Blackhawks marketing that did me in again.

          Did you attend practice? are you in that locker room everyday? do you have quotes detailing Sharp’s unwillingness to play center? hell how about just a rumor about it that was printed somewhere? You’re punishing Sharp for something you quite literally pulled out of thin air.

          Don’t get me wrong, Sharp gets floaty, and no one is going to mistake him for Marian Hossa on the back check, but he’s not absent in the defensive zone either. Also, plus/minus is not really a great way to evaluate individual performance, try another.

          • chichicagochi

            What stat would you like me to cherry pick?
            how about you provide a stat that says he was playing well because i sure can’t find one

          • Hags

            I’m not saying he played well, but your assertion that he is worse than Bickell at this point borders on insanity. and if you are asking, possession statistics like corsi or fenwick backed up with shot location data, his on ice shooting percentage, and his team’s Save percentage while he is on the ice are all great places to look.

          • chichicagochi

            Sharp gets paid 2 Mil more than Bickell. I think the team is better served with that 2M in space because Sharp is nothing but a Middling 3rd liner at this point which Bickell is.

  • Shooter

    This seems like a major difference between Uncle Dale and Stanbo. Stan understands the importance of continuity, but when push comes to shove, will make the move to ensure the survival of the team.

    Dale seemed to miss Chicago so much he hired most of the castoff players down in Florida

    • lizmcneill

      Can Stan interest him in one Bryan Bickell?

      • chichicagochi

        I’d rather ole Soupy pal convinces uncle Dale to take an additional 2 mildo off our hands for the more expensive, greater underperforming LW on the team.

      • Shooter

        If you liked Jimmy Hayes…you’re gonna love this guy

  • Jim

    The arrow on Bowman’s street cred around the NHL went up. Hawks can still win a Cup. Columbus is not going to, but they got a little better at forward (the delta between Saad and Dano)

    • Jane Doe

      No doubt. He still deserves crap for Sharp last weekend, if rumors are to be believed that there was a multi-pick deal but he held out for a 1st. But I’ll take two known NHL commodities (and a pick) over 3 crap shoot draft picks if he would have let Saad get offer sheeted. HUGE pull the day before FA.

      • Oldfarthawkfan

        He might have held on to Sharp knowing he might not be able to sign Saad

        • Jane Doe

          Sharp is still gone. With a capital GO.

  • Cluster_Puck

    Well, the path to Hossa is set with the Pronger deal. Hossa will hit LTIR, someone will pay $100K for his $5MM cap-hit to get to floor – problem solved.

    Curious why we still have no info on Kreuger.

    • mazer_rackham

      nevermind πŸ˜€

  • Jon Krupa

    This absolutely sucks. I’ve had a night to sleep on it and I’m still as bitter now as I was at 4 PM yesterday. I read every article I could and listened to every expert and there just doesn’t seem to be anyone to truly vilianize (which makes the acceptance process harder). As a fan, I would have rather lost anyone not named Keith, Toews or Kane, but that’s why I’m a fan and not the GM. Obviously Crow, Hammer, Biscuit and probably Teuvo mean more to the sustained success of this franchise (based on either position importance (goalie/center) or lack of depth (d-men)), but it doesn’t help the fan in me right now.

    I hope we didn’t just ship the next Hossa out of town. I get the numbers and the cap prevent us from signing….that’s why we can’t really get angry at anyone (including Saad’s agent). But I don’t know what will make this feel OK in the long run besides more banners. Dano being the next cornerstone with Teuvo and the Russian being the answer at 2C for the next half decade would help. But without the parade, this fan is still going to be bitter about this day. At least he didn’t go to STL or Chicago’s favorite watering hole 450 southeast of us. But he now, in my mind, joins Andrew Ladd as the two cap causalities that I will continue to lament.

    Oh….I blame you jerks too. You told me during the 2013/14 season it was safe to buy my Saad jersey. And you told me this past season the Hawks were done and the Cup was out of reach. Fuck you guys. I’m never listening to you again!

    I’m sorry….I didn’t mean that. It’s the Maker’s talking.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      It’s a bad situation for the hawks. Did Stan bring this bad situation about, or did he make the most of a situation exacerbated by Saad’s agent? I’m willing to give Stan the beneficent of the doubt for now.

    • Jim

      We are not losing a full Saad, we are losing the difference between Saad – (Dano). Dano is a first rounder, and a +12 in limited action, he can skate, and has good hands, and can finish around the net. We may be pleasantly surprised. Also, we got a 2C center. AND we cleared cap space.

      • mazer_rackham

        And we got Morin back!

        And we lost Palliota. Still a bit disappointed we didn’t get to see what he was capable of.

        • Jim

          I wish I had an animated gif of Morin’s face when he heard he was headed back to the IceHogs

        • Shooter

          Yeah all for all this forward/center crap. But when we getting ourselves some more D? We got Johns, coming up, and Rosi will actually pay us to keep playing. But who else is ready?

  • Jane Doe

    I’m thinking Stan moves all of the following within the week: Sharp, Bickell, Versteeg and, wait for it, Crawford.

    No, I don’t want to see Crawford go. But, you free up $18mil, maybe take back a few mill on return contracts in the trades, pick up a couple more picks and, for the first time in a while, you have lots of cap breathing room going into the season. More importantly, at the trade deadline. Might even be able to pick up someone truly impactful for another Cup run.

    You also can sign Seabs a year early and loosen things up a year from now when you might sign TT to a team friendly, long term deal.

    The window is not closing, this is not the last chance for this group. You have 88, 19, 81, 2, 7 and 4 for years, you will always be in the thick of another Cup.

    • 334Rules

      Goalies who have their shit sufficiently together to win two Cups (and nearly three) don’t grow on trees. It’s not just numbers, it’s the mindset. And Crow has more than demonstrated that he has “it” – whatever you want to define as “it” – when it comes to winning big games on the biggest stage. Crawford is going NOWHERE.

      • Jane Doe

        I don’t disagree about Crow. Said I don’t want him to go. But if Stan is retooling the forwards and beefing up the offense, maybe working for a FA #4 dman, I think it’s possible he still moves Crow.

        No one saw Saad leaving at this time yesterday. Stanbo will do whatever necessary to secure the long term and sustained success.

        • CurvedBlade

          Two weeks ago I would have agreed. But with Raanta being traded, the plan is for Crow to stay.

        • ‘hawks58

          If he was thinking of trading Crawford, wouldn’t he have signed Saad, even for $6M a year?

    • Feenux

      I think the one thing to keep in mind here is the Hawks don’t have a replacement for Crawford. Nobody saw Saad being traded, but at least there are alternatives to plug into his spot in the lineup. With the trading of Raanta the Hawks would be putting a lot of faith in Darling to slot into the starting goalie role. Personally I’ll live with Crawford’s cap hit since he’s a known commodity.

      • Jane Doe

        Hawks find a trade partner that wants to move a goalie w/a significantly lower cap hit, problem solved. Assuming the Hawks believe in Darling. And Q does, so the Hawks do.

        • WookRN

          I think, not only is Crow a rock to lean on, but a D-team made of 1/2 freshmen (which we may well have) will need him in the back field.

          • Jane Doe

            With a beefed up offense (potentially) and most likely signing a FA dman, he would be more expendable though.

          • WookRN

            I respect the case you’re making, but I still think he’s a top 5 goalie, making top 5 money. Fair market value. Not worth betting the farm on.

      • eyemon

        If Crawford were going, likely Raanta would not have been dealt. I wouldn’t pick Leighton as my #2 over Raanta. Also, I would concerned about all the pressure of being the #1 on a young man (who I really like and has played very well in a small sample size) but has the history of a drinking problem?

    • Cluster_Puck

      It never ceases to amaze me how people want to put their faith in a 8-9 year low-level-journeyman with an NHL resume of 14 games. As a career, Darling doesn’t even have a full AHL season under his belt.

      • WookRN

        GOD no. I don’t think Jane is making a case for him to start, I think she’s assuming we get a lower caliber starter. I disagree, but I understand what she’s going for.

  • 334Rules

    Agree that the agent probably misjudged this. I don’t care what the money might be for Saad in Columbus. He’s gonna play 44 games in Columbus, instead of Chicago. And he’s probably never even gonna so much as sniff another Cup. On the other hand, he’s probably gonna have an extra month or so every year to work on his golf game. He would have still made $4MM/year in Chicago, made a serious run at at least one or two more Cups, and STILL have a chance to ring the big bell when that deal was done, being still in his mid-20s.

    • Bobby Otter

      I’d rather have $6m than $4m annually for four years, but that’s me.

      • WookRN

        I think that much money is so outside of what we think about it’s irrelevant. If you want a cup team, you have one.
        If you want to from rich to filthy rich, you take the money.

    • WookRN

      Don’t say never. He can always free-agent back (with a new agent) in a few years

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      Think you’re selling CBJ short. W/ Brando now they’re a playoff club FOR SURE. And once in who’s to say how deep.

      What I haven’t seen mentioned is Saadr’s intangibles – the guy scored BIG goals in BIG games. Imho there is NO way the Hawks shoulda let him slip. But is what it is now.

  • Bobby Otter

    Not sure I agree about Saad getting bad advise. If the guy wants $6m, and someone is going to give it to him, then he got good advise. Sucks for the Hawks, but I’m all for these guys getting their money. Take care of yourself, yo.

    That said, the cap/salary rules being what they are bit the Hawks in the ass here. Since deals are averaged out over the length of the deal on the cap, you couldn’t structure this like a baseball (or hoops) deal. Of course, the Hawks also have taken advantage of those rules with the Keith/Hossa deals. So c’est la vie.

    But all in all, while I would take Saad over Sharp, I’m taking a lot of other guys over Saad (all the guys Fels mentioned). And keeping Sharp is nice “consolation” prize. Anisimov’s numbers are solid and he solves a problem on the roster, so it’s not like the Hawks are walking away with nothing here.

    • chichicagochi

      Sharp is no consolation prize, he’s deadweight. I know everyone here for some reason thinks his S% is some sort of statistical anomaly ready for market correction, but it portends of a steady decline because homie is over the hill and not putting in the work necessary to compete at the elite level.

      He couldn’t produce on the bottom six, much less the top six. If he can’t bumslay then what exactly is he getting paid 6 mildo to do?

      • WookRN

        Check back in a year.
        I SINCERELY hope you have to eat these words. (Hope. You may in fact be right, we’ll have to wait and see)
        A. Not over the hill. Past peak, sure, so’s Hossa. That’s working out, right?
        B. His S% dove this year, it didn’t decline. Anyway watching this season remembers he rang the post so often he could part time as a percussionist.
        C. He was also injured. This wont be a long summer break, but a break none-the-less

        • chichicagochi

          He scored a third of the amount of goals in the Postseason he did in the regular season and his s% SKYROCKETED to almost 8%. He’s done, let go of your nostalgic blinders and think for a second.

          • WookRN

            You know, or you can just keep being rude. Your call.

          • chichicagochi

            Not quite sure how I am being rude. What is the logical defense to keep a rapidly declining expensive bottom 6 forward?

          • WookRN

            let go of your nostalgic blinders and think for a second.

            Ironic, for a guy with no evidence for his complaints about Sharps “refusals”

          • chichicagochi

            Sam’s article brings to question the idea of sentimentality. You can disagree with my using a rumor fine, but that’s not anywhere the core of my argument.

            My assertion is simply that people are giving Sharp a free pass for grossly underperforming for which I have no idea aside from nostalgia or good-looks.

            What is your defense of keeping a middling 3rd line 33yo winger getting paid 6 million dollars?

          • Bobby Otter

            You’re missing all the points being made. Pretty much everyone would take Saad over Sharp. Everyone agrees Sharp is on the downside (but still a pretty good player). But Sharp isn’t the problem, the problem is the Bickell and Versteeg contracts. Blaming Sharp for the Bickell deal is pointless.

          • 60MinutesBaby60

            I like Handsome but ” What is your defense of keeping a middling 3rd line 33yo winger getting paid 6 million dollars?” is persuasive..

            Just the same tho chichichi sure seems to not be a fan of “the shooter.” Each his own …

      • Bobby Otter

        I said Saad > Sharp. Not sure what you’re point is then… a Sharp deal might not have been there or fair, it’s possible that trading Sharp (and keeping Saad) would have made the Hawks worse off next year and beyond.

      • wihawkfan

        All of the Blackhawks say sharp is one of the best conditioned guy as hardest worker. He played his ass off this last run, up and down the lines. He hit, he hustled.

        I don’t think he’s lazy.

    • Lemmy

      You’re in for a surprise then… We still need to move either Sharp or Crow + at least Bickell. There is no way around it.

  • Kendall Litwin

    I agree with everything except not being able to blame the agent. s an agent you have to cater to your clients needs and wants. He did not do this and it seems he didn’t BC if greed. If I was Saad I’d fire him if he is truly crushed.

    • duncans peace pipe

      you also need to cater to the NHLPA .

  • SuperHawk27

    Saad would be an idiot to not bank on his potential future earnings. I’m sad he is gone, but I’m not going to fault him for wanting more money. Hawks got some good players in return, along with a little more flexibility. We all knew SOMETHING was going to happen. Why people are mad and upset about it doesn’t make sense.

    • WookRN

      I think less upset, more shocked?
      I get it. If he wanted the money, we couldn’t pay him.
      If he wanted cups, here was a pretty good bet. But he can always come back.

      • SuperHawk27

        Yeah, which i think is a possibility….once he realizes how boring Columbus is compared to Chicago. There is always a chance.

        • WookRN

          He’s young. Maybe he’ll go make his 18 million in 3-4 years and come back.

          I think we all wish him the best of luck.

        • krome

          At his age, Columbus (with Ohio State right there) might not be boring at all

          • SuperHawk27

            Yeah, even with that, its not comparable to what Chicago has to offer over Lumbus.

  • Matt

    I think the big issue moving forward is that people talk about the Core 2.0 to take the reins from the Core 1.0 as they age, but I don’t see how that works.

    Let’s say one or two of Teuvo, Panarin, and Dano look great in a couple of years. How do we avoid this again? Unless the cap goes up substantially, I don’t see how. The Core 1.0 is all locked up for a long time now and they’re not going anywhere.

    You probably trade Crawford at some point. Probably Anisimov now, too. MAYBE Seabrook. Otherwise, I don’t know where future cap space for our future RFAs comes from.

    • Jane Doe

      All excellent points. Which is why I suggested below Stan moves all of 10, 29, 23 and 50.

      • SuperHawk27

        Highly unlikely the Hawks move Crawford. Darling is unproven….and if Darling fails, who is there to back him up? Raanta? Oh wait….he is a Ranger….

        • ChiCityKyle

          People still want to trade Crawford? After putting his steel balls on a silver platter for you to see? smh

          • Jane Doe

            Not want to. Just like I’m guessing no one wanted Saad to be traded. But, if you can keep more of the team together and add pieces that improve the team more than losing Crow would hurt the team, you have to look a t the possibility

        • Jane Doe

          Trading Crow for another goalie is always possible and allowed.

          • SuperHawk27

            So they could trade for a younger, cheaper, unproven goalie? Trading for a proven goalie will lead to very little cap relief or a down grade in performance.

          • Jane Doe

            Dubnyk just signed for $4.3mil. There’s going to be about 10 starting goalies next year making under $4mil. There is experience out there. I’m not saying it will happen. But $2mil less per year, and maybe your off the hook 2-4 years earlier, is something worth looking at.

          • WookRN

            Jane, bet you a beer Dubnyk ends up being a poor idea. That’s a REALLY small sample size they just bet 6 years on. I very well could be wrong, but I’d take Crow for 6 mil over a goalie with a 3 month winning record that got swept (granted, by the eventual winner) in the second round of the play offs.

          • Jane Doe

            Don’t disagree, he won’t be Jan-May Dubnyk. But on the Wild he’s on a much better team than those Oiler teams or Arizona. Maybe they overpaid a little for him but I don’t think it was a crazy overpay.

          • WookRN

            Eh. I suppose it’s Niemi/Halak/Hiller money. So yeah, probably not super over. But still not a great defense for Crow can go.

          • Absent-Minded Professor

            I have to admit that I first read that as “Yahn-May” Dubnyk thinking it was some Scandinavian player from way-back-when that I didn’t know about. Eeesh.

      • Jim

        50? no way.

        Number 50 means 50% of your Cup is because of the goalie. You can skate 5 hall of famers, if you have a bad goalie, you are not winning the Cup. How many 2-1 and OT games are there in a playoff run? Plenty, that’s on the goalie.

        • 60MinutesBaby60

          Anybody I mean ANYBODY questions Crow here on out, all’s he’s gotta do is raise his hand that’s sporting 2 SC Champion rings on it. No verbal response required.
          Signed,
          A guy who loves Crow for 2 goals/game but starting w/ #3 no loves him. But – BUT – that vid of him throwing off his mask and gloves at the game over horn to win Stanley this year IS XXXKING BEE-U-TEE-FUL.

          We’re CHAMPS baby! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And Crow was in goal for it. THANK YOU #50.

    • lizmcneill

      At some point the oil market/loonie should recover, I guess. It’s worrying for sure. Wish Crow had a year or two less on his current deal and Seabs a year or two more.

    • cza

      And this will become an even bigger problem if the league expands, because that will dilute the talent pool as the newcomers pay well over current market value and elevate our third or fourth guy to their top guy.

      • lizmcneill

        Wonder what expansion does to the cap, too.

  • Jane Doe

    Now, I carefully pack away my Saad sweater until Kane, Toews and Keith all retire. Then I change the nameplate to Sad.

    • WookRN

      Meh. I still wear my Bolland sweater sometimes.

      • 60MinutesBaby60

        Bolly. Fro. I’m STILL missing that grinder line w/ Krugs. I LOVED that line. (But Desi & Shinpads helped me get over it – mostly πŸ˜‰

    • Christopher Heine

      Cup Champions are always and forever wearable, IMO.

  • Gabble Ratchet

    I find it hard to believe Saad would opt for more money over a chance to defend a Cup win. This was an agent-driven decision and likely a miscalculation on his part.

    • SuperHawk27

      Money talks….especially AFTER you’ve just won 2 cups in 3 years. Saad’s value can’t be any higher than right now.

      • WookRN

        Go. Make money. Come “home” in a couple years?

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      That Wall St expression – Bulls make $$$ Bears make $$$, Pigs get slaughtered.
      DEL “pigs” INS “Hawks fans.” Losing Saadr HURTS.

      That said a fiduciary’s job was to max his client’s number. No good guys no bad guys here … Just business.

      My new fave EC club now tho is the CBJ.

  • Bwana

    Corey Crawford “could” be moved today
    Hearing the Jets
    Source: Eklund

    Uhhhhh

    • Bwana

      Yes, it’s Eklund, but still…

    • HawkIPA

      They wouldn’t have traded Raanta if Crawford was on the block. Michael Leighton is not a number 2 goalie anymore.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      Balderdash.

  • Preacher

    While sentimentality doesn’t enter into these cold, hard business decisions, the Hawks’ management team DOES expect players to be willing dance partners with them. If they don’t, the Hawks will cut them quickly. One of the Wirtz family members told me a while back that the organization is very, very BIG on loyalty. If you try hard to work with them, they will take good care of you. But if not, then they’ll drop you like a rock. They especially don’t like overly aggressive agents. Supposedly, they DID want to keep Niemi at the time, but when he went to arbitration (essentially, refusing to work with them) he was “dead” to them after that. There were no negotiations after that. I’m not saying Stan sent Saad to Columbus out of spite, but that once it was clear Saad’s agent was asking way more than he KNEW the Hawks could handle right now, Stan went with whatever would benefit the Hawks the most. Bye, bye, Saad. It’s a shame really.
    (This is Preacher posting. Disqus won’t let me log in for some reason.)

    • WookRN

      it shows as you.
      Also, thanks for the anecdote. Totally plausible, given the things we’ve seen in the past.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      Preach on Preach. Just maybe cut up the block sentence into shorter pps?

    • wihawkfan

      That’s exactly what is has looked like. That attitude alone might be why the organization is so successful right down to the locker room. There is no room for me-first guys.

  • WookRN

    I for one would be far more worried if anything comes of this Crawford rumors than Saad.
    We have EXCELLENT forwards, albeit perhaps a wee short on depth.
    Lose Crow, we have neither talent nor depth.

  • Brandon Murray

    While it is certainly not going to win you votes for GM of the year, being cold blooded is exactly what it takes to sustain success. I mean losing a player of Saad’s claiber hurts, no way around that. However, after a night of a little research, I’m somewhat intrigued (maybe even excited) about the top 2 return guys we are getting.

    I’m not sure which story is true, but I think it is probably a combination of a few things:

    1. The kid has won 2 Cups in 3 years. That is a hell of a way to start your career and doesn’t leave much to chase other than more Cups and $$$$.

    2. Fels is right, Bowman probably warned his agent of a trade, the agent’s arrogance made him believe this would never happen and he called Stan’s bluff.

    3. This is how you end up in O-H-I-O

  • Jane Doe

    Jackman just signed with Nash so we dodged that Q bullet.

    • Cbeezly

      Thank god.

    • WookRN

      YAAYYAYAYAYYAY.
      BEST NEWS ALL DAY!!!!

    • sometimes the best signings are the ones you don’t make

      • Jim

        Bill Veeck

      • 60MinutesBaby60

        Sage amigo, sage.

    • cza

      You made my day.

  • Boom

    Jackman to Nashville! Yeay!

    • HossasPierogi

      Yes!

  • DJ

    Hawks sign Viktor Tikhonov to a 1-year $1.04M contract. The grandson of the Old Man…

  • DJ

    At the other end of the spectrum, there’s Pittsburgh, who just added Phil Kessel.

    As SBN stated, Pittsburgh’s lineup may end up:

    Malkin Crobsy Kessel
    Guy Guy Guy
    Guy Guy Guy
    Guy Guy Guy

    Letang Guy
    Guy Guy
    Guy Guy

    Fleury
    Guy

    • jordyhawk

      Too funny.

    • chichicagochi

      6.5 AAV Cap ain’t bad at all for Phil Kessel, especially when you think that’s about how much we pay Patrick Sharp to be on the 3rd line.

      • mazer_rackham

        and the first line, and the 2nd line..

      • To Saad be the glory

        Penguins would have been better off with Sharp. As much Leafs hockey as I watch,I’d take Sharp over Kessel any day,all day. For every goal Kessel gets over 30-35 this year playing with Crosby,he’s gonna help give up twice that many floating around on defense and cherry picking. Jim Rutherford has got that team so screwed right now,if they don’t win it in the next couple of years they are gonna have a painful rebuild that makes Buffalo’s seem like childs play. I have a feeling there probably was Sharp going to Pittsburgh talk,but the Pens cupboard is so bare of prospects right now that Stan probably said thanks but no thanks.

        • 60MinutesBaby60

          Okay, I’ll buy that.

    • Bobby Otter

      That’s a lot of French dudes on one team.

      • cza

        So good.

      • Red Grange

        French-Canadians.

        • Bobby Otter

          QuΓ©bΓ©cois!

      • simtwo

        Pronounced GUI

    • HossasPierogi

      Good point — if Stan’s not careful, we can look like that in a few years with Toews, Kane, Keith, Crawford, Guy, Guy, Guy . . . Saad can take his money and get lost for all I care.

      • Bob Lanz

        Don’t be a douche

  • jordyhawk

    I think Stan is a pretty straight shooter and the contracts he has doled out have been about as generous as possible. If there was a disconnect in this it likely didn’t come from the team’s side. I don’t see how Team Saad could ask for big bucks/long term and not factor in that they might price themselves out of Chicago. Spilled milk, time to move on. Looking forward to seeing Dano in particular.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      Ain’t spilt milk bud, more like spilt Dom Perignon (sp?) A frickin case of the best year.

      Not saying I’m not up for this Marko dude but I gotta have some time lick my wounds. #20 was a cornerstone you ask me.

      • jordyhawk

        Saad was a cornerstone. He is no longer.

        This is Day 2 of the Marko Dano era. Hope he’s tuning up the motor ready to make the big club.

        • 60MinutesBaby60

          Feels like when you get dumped but meet a nice new someone. I’m liking this Dano guy’s highlight reel but Dam Sam I was UP for cheering on #20 for the next DECADE.
          #Still_In_Denial

      • wihawkfan

        True. But I thought Buff was important. I thought Ladd was important (he’s good don’t misunderstand me. But he wasn’t missed in the other cup years) I thought Neimi was important. Kevin Hayes seems like a big body talent that got away.

        Add Saad to the list of really good players who aren’t good enough when not a part of the “team”.

        If you ask me, he’s in the rear view mirror now.

        Everything about Stan’s history says he is a straight shooter who takes care of his people.

        Saad’s agent forced this. I think Saad was as surprised as all of us to hear he was leaving the Hawks. Now his agent has another sell job to do: he has to convince Saad that the money was more important.

  • casbone

    If Dano comes in like Saad did and can find a way to contribute early on making big plays starting out in his young NHL career (much like Saad)…then I don’t feel so bad about this deal anymore. Anisimov is no slouch either. We’ll be fine.

    • Hags

      i can’t remember which article pointed it out, but on a small sample size (35 games) Dano had a very similar point per game pace (.63 or so) that Saad did over his tenure in Chicago. if they can replace that production at a fraction of the cost, they will be just fine.

    • Feenux

      Anisimov only put up 27 points last season. Figure there will be an automatic 10 point bump if he ends up centering Kane, but I wonder if he can do even more.

      • casbone

        Good point. I think you’ve got to believe he will get better (most certainly should) playing alongside Kane.

      • The_Cheeb

        But, only played 52 games due to injury (triceps I think)

        • Feenux

          That’s a good point as well. I didn’t take the time to look at total games played.

      • Brandon Murray

        Yep and thats almost exactly 1/2 point per game so stretched over 82 could be 41 points plus a 15 point bump playing on Hawks over 82 = 56 points or a Brandon Saad type season. This is fun.

        • 60MinutesBaby60

          If a WEE bit to into extrapolations. Hey why not. πŸ˜‰

          (HA took me 3 tries to get that big word spelled right.)

          • wihawkfan

            Autocorrect has killed me more than once!!!

            Anisemov has become anise move. Teuvo has become Trevor or truer.

            I can only imagine the options it gave you.

      • 60MinutesBaby60

        Gotta say tho #91’s no-look to Kaner CEMENTED Richards in my “I love that guy” club.

        • CurvedBlade

          Me two. Thanks to Richards, Kane threatened to win the scoring title if not for the injury. Sorry to see him go. He just signed with Detroit.

      • ZigZags82

        Probably a 20 point jump considering he wasn’t healthy.

    • Brandon Murray

      As long as the 20 year old can earn some Q love like Teuvo eventually did, he’ll be fine.

      • 60MinutesBaby60

        Watched a YT Dano highlight reel – looked like 88’s speed w/ 65’s grit. If that even comes close to true LOOKOUT.

        • ZigZags82

          He plays like Hossa actually. Two way player built on speed and power.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      Anisimov missed 30 games last season. Plus I read somewhere concussions too. Just sayin’ … On ice tho he sure looks like a fancy stats + no doubt.

  • Preacher

    Interesting that there has been no news of Saad signing with Columbus. Now his agent will be on the prowl more than ever to get some off-the-charts offer sheet for his client, which Columbus will match. This could get quite interesting.

    • Jim

      This whole thing is fascinating. Yesterday I thought Saad was untouchable. Now he is gone, and the Hawks have completely moved on. Saad is in hockey Siberia, and has no contract, and doesn’t even know if he’ll have a big payday. Got to say well played Hawks on this one. Even I know not to bluff unless I have a guaranteed fallback.

      • 60MinutesBaby60

        @ Jim – Sorry chief can’t abide your “Got to say well played Hawks on this one.”

        Saad laid it out for his team – like we all say Hossa Jr or Hoss 2.0. Imho Bowman’s ego had NOT a little to do with this. Of course I have no evidence so just my worthless 2 cents.

        Now this AA guy comes in inked for BIG $$$s. I’m a guy ALREADY on the club (Krugs for instance but also any OTHER guy either) I’m saying to myself, “Wtf?” That’s a significant cap effect, no?

        Don’t get me wrong – hope all works out swell – but Anisimov’s number coulda gone towards keeping a guy
        ALREADY proved and EARNED his payday HERE.

        Okay bitchmode fini.
        Go Dano. Go Ansi. GoHawks – as Keefy said at the rally,
        “Let’s keep this big red machine rolling!?
        (Which only reminds me how the heck AA’s cap hit going to play signing #7-wise?

        Fxxk it, Enuff already. We got the CUP fer crissakes. Big picture I’m glad all over baby..

    • wihawkfan

      I didn’t want to see saad go. But this situation could turn into a poison bidding war. I regret the loss but I think it was smart to get something of value and then get out of the contest.

      Anisemov played on the line with dano (chemistry there, check out Dano’s YouTube highlights. Watch who assists) and anisemov was quoted in an article about Panarin because he played with him in the khl. Getting AA and dano is a good get from a no- win situation.

      Now the salary carnage from the saad bidding war will be someone else’s problem.

      The nice thing about a trade is the control. You get to dictate what you get back (picks are not known players) and you get to decide where to put the player leaving you.

      Bowman put saad in Columbus. Not St. Louis or Anaheim or Minnesota, etc.

      This situation reminds me of the Neimi agent holding out for more $ for his client.

      Saad should’ve talked to Neimi to find out how that worked out.

      Hawks would’ve paid him at the end of a bridge deal when the cap went up.

      This was just stupid if saad really enjoyed playing for a perennial winner and all of the benefits that came with it that money won’t buy.

  • ExOnMS

    Who else does Lewis Gross represent? If it truly was him playing hardball with the Hawks, and Bowman calling him on it, what does that do for future negotiations with his clients?

    • Cluster_Puck

      You can look up on SPM website. Saad is one of a few big names. Never good to have your client state publicly he was shocked by results.

      • ExOnMS

        Not at all, and it seems like the Bowman’s aren’t guys you want to mess around with. If I’m one of his clients, I’m worried.

        • Jim

          Not a happy day at Gross’s office today.

      • Brandon Murray

        That’s no shit

    • Jim

      I would venture to guess this is not going to help him recruit new clients.

      • Which is ironic because the whole reason they probably got into this mess was to try and secure a big deal for Saad and thus attract new clients

        • Shooter

          Exactly! One thing they had to have known coming in, is Stan’s a shrewd GM. We’ve had some questionable moments, but in the long run we’ve been getting steered in the right direction.

  • Bobby Otter

    Stan right now (I assume): “Look [pick a GM], if Fro is a $4.3m guy in this market, Bickell at $4m isn’t that much of an over pay. And I love Frolik! He’s the guy that created the game winning Cup goal in 2013!”

  • The_Cheeb

    I would really love to hear the Catfish weigh in on this Jackman love………
    *********************************************************************************************
    Paul McCann (Nashville Predators Blogger) β€’ Predators Radio Network β€’

    The Predators have acquired former St. Louis Blue defenseman Barrett
    Jackman, signing the big blueliner for 2 years at a cap hit of $2
    million per season.

    This is the type of player missing from the Preds lineup over the past
    few seasons. The perfect compliment to the Predators defense corps, a
    player that has grit and will add the kind of sandpaper that this team
    has needed.

    The kind of veteran leadership and experience that will make the blueline better.
    ********************************************************************************************

    • Jane Doe

      McCann is a Grade A asshat. There aren’t many writers I truly can’t stand, but he’s one.

    • Brandon Murray

      This ^^^^^^^^is the laugh I needed today. Jackman sucks. Him & Rebeiro should be roomies.

      • HawkVision

        Hilarious to see Nashville trying to out-penisloaf the Blues. Pure entertainment.

    • Sopel the catfish

      The Jackman news made my day, especially since it’s for 2 years. Worst part of the Saad trade was the chatter about there being salary to sign that asshat since they weren’t going to pay Saad. Nashville deserves Jackman after giving Mikey “Don’t Tell Your Parents” Ribiero 2 years

  • Flipper76

    I know it’s still VERY early in FA and we don’t know how the team will shake out. That said, assuming the Hawks can get rid of 23 and 29 without taking on salary, this could be a nice little team that (I think) fits under the salary cap:

    Teravainen – Toews – Hossa
    Sharp – Anisimov – Kane
    Danault – Kruger – Shaw
    Panarin – Dano – Tikhonov

    Keith – Seabrook
    Hjalmarsson – Johns
    Experienced D – TVR

    Crawford
    Darling
    Obviously we don’t know which kids will make the team or not (and I’m assuming Danault can be a winger on a checking line), but it’s a nice strong top 6, a real checking line, and an interesting group of Europeans / Russians who have experience together…

    • ZigZags82

      Kruger is your 4th line center. 100% no doubt. Dano will be a wing or center your 3rd line. Sharp will play on the top line and Panarin is also not a 4th line type of player lmao, he will play on that 2nd line.

    • ourgeorge

      No Rundblad? We need to keep developing him this year. He was holding his own by the end of the playoffs.

  • margincall

    People. Focus on the forest not the trees. Everyone is focused on what stan did yesterday or today, tomorrow. ..What pisses me off is he acts like this is all a surprise??? Couldn’t have gotten a feel from Gross 3 weeks, 3 months ago? The mismanagement goes back two years ago. Thats where this failure started. Now your the Penguins West. Sorry ill never ever believe Kane Toews put guns to management heads with 10.5. You mean to tell me they were rolling the dice with 21 mil in two players? That there wasnt a contingency plan? I didnt trade Versteeg for Piri,Hayes.. I didnt wiff on Kevin Hayes. I didnt wiff on Leddy. I didnt give Crawford Lundqvist money etc etc on and on. Can i assume MAYBE those were allowed to walk because they didnt figure to loose Saad? Possible. Bottom Line is IMO mgmnt screwed up leading up to this and put themselves in a bad position .Had no contingency plan? They arent going to admit that publicly.. All you hear is we got blindsided.Well shame on you. You lost a potential generational player

    • ExOnMS

      I think you’re off base on this. Teams are not willing to do the Hawks any favors. Bowman has to work with what he’s got. If Saad and his agent wouldn’t talk until after the season, what is Bowman supposed to do? Wait outside the guys house and ambush him?

      • margincall

        Fans will always sniff the cool aid. Always. My point is simple. This situation could have been prevented with some more forward looking vision and action…Shouldn’t have gotten to that point yesterday with better personnel decisions… “oh i got my cups” screw that. White Sox fans said the same and how that working out for them huh?? Bullshit Kane and Toews would have gotten 14.. If so. Good riddance. and bye bye cute little car commercials..Really appreciate all your input all !!!! Thats the fun of it. We disagree/agree and have fun with it

        • ZigZags82

          Good riddance? Stop lol. There was vision. You make it sound so simple.

    • GoldenJet

      It’s all so damn simple…If only Stan had a few more advisers like you to set him straight before he makes all these dunderheaded moves…

    • HossasPierogi

      WTF????

    • Hags

      Mismanagement, really? They have 3 generational talents in Keith, Toews, and Kane, not to mention a surefire hall of famer in Hossa, and 2 guys who are in that area just below hall of fame level status in Seabrook and Sharp and hell even Hjalmarsson. THOSE GUYS COST MONEY. LOTS OF IT.

      It sucks that Saad is gone, but in doing so they acquired a solid prime aged 2C in Anisimov that is locked up long term, and a potential future cornerstone in Dano to replace Sharp or Hossa in a few years.

    • SuperHawk27

      The 3 Stanley cups must be getting in his way from being able to see the forest…..

    • Brandon Murray

      3 Cups in 6 years. 2 of them after a major retooling. Guys like Kane & Toews are generational talents. Saad is not. An upper echelon talent yes, but not a player you build around. He’s a piece you add to create greatness and greatness cost $. I’ll say goodbye to an expensive piece for more depth and another Cup any day of the week. It’s just the nature of the business. Sucks but it is what it is.

      • margincall

        I appreciate your input Brandon. But well agree to dis agree

        • ZigZags82

          Brandon Saad is a very very good player, probably great. However he is not a generational talent. Power Forward Wings are much much more common than a wing with the vision and deft of Gretzky and a Messier styled 1st center as well a Dman that can play 30+ minutes a game, skate, and dominate on both ends.

  • Jane Doe

    Wow, $4.3 for Frolik. Makes Anisimov AAV look a little better. Maybe.

  • margincall

    BTW. Sam. Secord wasnt developed by the Hawks. I believe it was Boston

    • T.M.

      Hawks got him for Mike O’Connell

      • margincall

        good call T.M !! ..Then shipped out to Toronto with Eddie-O for Rick Vaive Steve Thomas and a few others i believe

  • Just the Facts

    Here is my guess as to how this deal happened. Saad’s agent had a offer sheet lined up from Columbus (yes Columbus has the necessary picks). The offer sheet was more than the Hawks could pay. Saad didn’t want to leave Chicago but his agent told him the offer sheet was just leverage to get the best offer out of Chicago. Bowman tells Saad’s agent the Hawks can’t possibly pay what the offer sheet would require the Hawks to pay. Bowman tells the agent that unless the parties can get closer on a deal, he will need to trade Saad because once the offer sheet is tendered, the Hawks won’t be able to match, and Bowman would rather have what he thinks he can get in trade rather than the picks. Saad’s agent thinks Bowman is bluffing and tells Saad that this is all part of the negotiation. Bowman, unable to risk it getting to the offer sheet trades Saad. Saad is stunned.

    So now Saad is in Columbus. But his agent no longer has a Columbus offer sheet as leverage, so Columbus will be able to sign him (barring an offer sheet from another team) for less than it would otherwise would have. So Columbus has the incentive to make the trade, the Hawks (however reluctantly) have the incentive to trade. Who loses? Saad, who ends up in Columbus where he doesn’t want to be and probably ends up getting paid a number that the Hawks would have paid due to the fact that Columbus no longer needs to make a huge offer because no other team is able or willing to tender an offer sheet.

    Moral of the story. Don’t bluff unless you are willing to accept the consequences of being called.

    • ExOnMS

      Perfectly summed up in my opinion. Really sucks for Saad, he lost big time on this.

      However, what is to stop Saad from firing his agent, telling CBJ to get bent, signing a one year deal somewhere, and finding an agent who will work out a deal with Chicago next season?

      Maybe I’m just not willing to accept he’s gone, but is something like that possible?

      • Just the Facts

        Saad is a restricted free agent and Columbus now controls his rights. The only way he leaves Columbus is if another team signs him to an offer sheet and Columbus does not match it (or if Columbus chose to trade him).

        Saad could refuse to sign a long-term deal with Columbus. Columbus would then need to make a qualifying offer to retain his rights (approximately what Saad made last year). Saad would then have the choice to accept that deal, negotiate a different deal (I assume Columbus would refuse to up Saad’s pay for the season if Saad refused to sign a deal longer than one year), or sit out the season (and I think Columbus still retains his rights in that scenario). But even if he inks a one-year deal, I think Columbus retains his rights the following year until Saad is either 27 or has 7 years of experience.

        In sum, Saad is staying in Columbus unless someone gives him an offer sheet Columbus won’t match (unlikely) or Columbus trades him (also unlikely).

        But if Saad does a deal that takes him to age 27 or 7 years of service, then he becomes an unrestricted free agent and could resign with the Hawks.

        So your best hope is that after four more seasons he becomes a UFA and the Hawks can resign him then.

        • Jim

          fawked. Went from the absolute top of the heap, top line in the NHL, 2 million people parade, to middling in the space of a few hours. Stunning to see.

        • Lionel Hutz

          He can go play in Russia and force Columbus to trade his rights as well. If he wanted to play real hard ball he could demand a trade back to Chicago.

    • Brandon Murray

      This was my thought almost exactly. Hawks got players they need (albeit at the expense of losing a great one) & Saad’s agent will get his cut. The big loser is Saad who has stayed deftly quiet in all of this because, well, he is in Ohio. He will be a great Blue Jacket but would have been a legendary Blackhawk. Playing with elite talent will do that.

      As far as Stan goes I envision the agent trying to call his bluff & Stan just showing his cards saying “Hey guy, I’m not bullshitting you. We can’t afford this & we aren’t going to wait years to get our return with draft picks who may or may not work. If you won’t take the 2 year bridge, I’m dealing him for talent now”

      My only wonder is how good the communication was between Saad & his agent. Disappointing yes but I’m ready to move on. Good luck B. Saad, I’ll always have a special spot on my basement wall for the Manchild.

    • jordyhawk

      If there was a sheet then Saad knows what’s on it and hence what CBJ was willing to pay. I would think he would demand that and if CBJ didn’t pony up then he could send his (mis) manager out to get another club to replicate the terms. I could be wrong but I would think there are a couple who might be willing.

      (Good post BTW)

    • Jim

      On the face of this, Horribly handled by the agent. He goes to CBJ with NO DEAL! Now he is no longer a BlackHawk, and he may end up without a big payday. His alternatives are not enticing. Now he has to negotiate with CBJ, and he has NO TEETH, agent got pantsed by Bowman. (Unless there is some big offer pending we don’t know about, from CBJ or others)

      • GoldenJet

        If Saad doesn’t sign, the agent didn’t get pantsed…CBJ’s did.

        This is totally on CBJ management to sign him for longer than one or two years…otherwise, they gave up some serious talent for short term Saad.

        Had Saad signed a 2-4 year deal with the Hawks…and he continued to progress like he looks like he could, he’d command huge money…more than a rising Cap could accommodate.

        • Jim

          Good points. Still messy.

        • Seele VonDoogenstein

          Well if he gets an offer sheet it will be at least 4 mil/yr which means CBJ will get at least a 1st & 3rd if they do not sign him (they could get 1st, 2nd & 3rd). Which is essentially what they gave up for him (and they dumped Morin on Hawks too). Or he may want to sign with a team that when finally healthy finished the year 15-1-1, by far the best in the league.

    • Chet Manley

      From the handful of articles I’ve read, the GM for CBJ stated they weren’t the team sending an offer sheet for what it’s worth.

    • Thanatos2k

      I would not be surprised at all if after Saad signs a contract he fires his agent.

  • rm

    You have to believe that the agent is smart enough to have a running tally of what his guy is going to get on the open market and before it all falls apart in Chicago at least have a bottom dollar that Saad has to get. My guess is that numbers were there and simply more than Bowman could afford to spend. I wish him well and wonder if he will be the same player in Columbus with much less around him for support.

    • Definitely interested to see what Saad looks like without Toews/Hossa/Kane around

    • mazer_rackham

      You usually don’t reveal your absolute number in a negotiation until you have to — it’s a game of bluffing.

      Stan probably did reveal his, and the agent may not have believed it and said no thanks, so Saad got traded. Sucks but that is life. His time here in Chicago was amazing, I wish him the best, but I’m pretty excited to see what a power center can provide for the Kane line.

  • rm

    Slightly off topic, but any whispers about where Vermette will go? Any chance what so ever of him staying in Chicago?

  • HossasPierogi

    Anisimov, Tikhonov, Panarin — it looks like red will be even more of an appropriate color for the Hawks next year. May even need to bring Scotty Bowman back to coach the Russians.

    • Brandon Murray

      I heard Tretiak can still bring it between the pipes. Maybe we can get him? All kidding aside the Russian infusion is exciting. Can’t wait to hear the line names if even 2 are paired together.

      • Feenux

        Listen to Foley try and call their names by the third period will be more interesting then when we played the Devils and he couldn’t get Jordin Tootoo and Tuomo Ruutu right.

      • Hags

        we could go after Slava Fetisov too, but he’s too busy rallying support to pass a law to mandate that every Russian born player remain in Russia until age 28.

  • seabsrat

    Any idea if Desjardins is going to be re-signed? I know it’s not like he’s a key guy, but he was huge in the post-season and was a pleasure to watch on a line with 16 and 65. I think it’d be awesome if there was enough room and he didn’t ask for too big a raise from this last season.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      @ seabrat – Couldn’t agree more.
      Desi DEFINITELY helped the cause. He was on the ice for the last 17 seconds game 6 this time so you KNOW he has Q’s trust. Would love to see him back but the roster slots for forwards is all of a sudden
      over-flowing so …

      • 60MinutesBaby60

        Oh … anf I forgot to type at the time of the trade I WAS ticked off being a Benny Smith guy.

  • Jim

    Saad’s first Q&A with the Columbus Press:

    http://bluejackets.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=773312

    The more this goes on, the more this looks like a disaster for Saad. This will discourage others from playing hardball with the BlackHawks in the future, if they want to remain BlackHawks.

    • jordyhawk

      How many times did he say “I leave that to my agent.” Whose life is it? Sounds terribly naive.

      • Hags

        As Sam kind of pointed out, Saad is a 22 year old kid with at best a high school education. He pays his agent to look out for his financial well being and for his agents knowledge and expertise in an area where Saad probably has none. Can’t really blame his agent for asking market value for his client.

      • I Remember The Roar!

        At age 22, even with a college education, I don’t think I’d be qualified to handle my own contract negotiations against an NHL GM. Sometimes it’s smart to leave certain things to experts.

        Also, it really just sounded like he didn’t really care to be interviewed at the time. I mean, the same two answers were given for just about every question. He may be in as much shock as the rest of us.

        • jordyhawk

          Of course he wouldn’t handle the negotiation directly, but he should have been aware of the ill-advised game of chicken his agent played. He can do arithmetic, and if the club had 4 mil (or so) to spend and he was asking for more something had to give. Sorry, but he has to own that much.

          • I Remember The Roar!

            It’s up to the agent to know how to negotiate, and how far he can push StanBo. Saad SHOULD be deferring to his agent in those situations.

          • Shooter

            I think the one thing Saad could have said was, no matter what(withing reasonable limit), keep me a blackhawk. I agree he should be deferring to his agent, but had to have at least made his top priority known.

            Maybe his agent wasn’t even told he pushed too hard, and was just waiting for stan’s next response, when all of a sudden he’s traded.

          • Jim

            I think this is maybe what happened. If Saad ended up with the Rangers, Kings or Ducks, so be it. He’s in New York or LA. on a winner. But Columbus? Only worse thing I can think of would be Carolina. A definite “oh fuck” moment for Saad and Gross. (and Morin)

          • jordyhawk

            It’s up to Saad to advise the agent as to his real priorities–max out on dollars or stay with the team for a reasonable buck and a shorter team. He likely didn’t make that clear enough and the consequence clearly blindsided him.

          • cza

            I think dollars were his priority, and he recognized that put him at risk:
            “Knowing the Blackhawks’ cap situation, did the idea of taking a
            hometown discount to stay in Chicago ever come up between you and your
            agent?

            That is something that crosses your mind but at the same time with the
            Blackhawks and how close they are to the cap, you knew something was
            going to happen with me or someone else and this time it was my time to
            go.”

            And aside from being true, his refrain about leaving the business to his agent spares him from having to say “I wanted to get paid.” I say this
            without malice. He’s a great player and he deserves to be compensated accordingly.

          • jordyhawk

            Good points. If his priority was to be paid, I don’t know why he would be surprised though because the money just isn’t there with us.

            I’m looking forward to seeing what we got back in action. Saad is good, very good, and I’m sure he’ll have a fine career, but I would rather lose a winger than a center or defenseman and we are still pretty loaded at wing. We’ll survive.

        • Brandon Murray

          I agree with this but at 22 I have to believe I could live with 5.6 million over 2 years to stay with avteam that I’d won 2 Cups with but you never know.

      • SuperHawk27

        Sounds like he just didn’t want to talk about it. Without hearing his tone its hard to say what he really felt about the situation.

      • Brandon Murray

        I picked up on that. He leaves “the business” side to his agent, he just wants to “have fun & play hockey”. I could almost guarantee hockey in Ohio isn’t as fun as Chi-Town hockey.

      • margincall

        Yea. The kid got preyed on the way i see. it. Agent doesn’t care if he puts you in Edmonton for 8 years. All he cares about is his commish. .Brandon. Lesson number one in life. ALWAYS ALWAYS follow the money. Trust NOBODY !! Sorry Brandon. Your gonna miss all that West Loop/River North “talent”. Have fun with the corn fed ones. At least CBJ has some good tittie bars

        • DJ

          Purportedly that was Rick Nash’s problem — his frolicking with all those lovely OSU co-eds.

    • GoldenJet

      Big lesson learned for the kid. He’s likely heart broken…

      His agent got him the money…but Saad didn’t seem like he cared that much about the big payday…at least at this point.

      • SuperHawk27

        Well, now he can focus on whatever 6+ million a year for 4 years can get him in term of happiness.

        • Jim

          I’ll be he gets less. What is his leverage? Other than CBJ risks having lost 2 good players for nothing.

          • SuperHawk27

            His leverage is still getting offer sheeted by someone else and what you said. But that’s a gamble for both sides.

          • CurvedBlade

            His leverage is cbj wants him long term and happy. You pay a guy what he’s worth. You don’t want unhappy players who go thru the motions, or have a bad attitude.

          • Jim

            If that is the case, what is taking so long? Just flop open the checkbook. But it seems the negotiations drag on. There have been lots of deals signed today.

  • B.I.G. Forever

    Someone called into Boers & Bernstein and said:

    “Brandon Saad, you will be playing pro hockey in Columbus for the ‘Blue Jackets.’ Enjoy this moment….because it’s the last time anyone will ever hear your name again.”

    The trade is GOOD for the BlackHawks. What does it take for people to TRUST the Bowman family? 3 fucking Championships? The outcry seems Cow Townish. Saad was great playing with TOEWS and HOSSA..and I liked him too….but he played chicken with the wrong guy and now plays for the Blue Jackets.

    Dano is a SCARY GOOD 20 year old Austrian going into his second year and will be on a line with TOEWS and HOSSA. Anismov is better than Richards and one hell of a signing. The other 3 guys will be likely (IMO) be packaged and traded.

    Always remember, Stan and that front office are the shrewdest guys in suits in the NHL. They have the hardware and record that proves it.

    • Brandon Murray

      The HARDWARE to prove it is damn right.

    • Feenux

      In the end I don’t feel as decimated by this trade as I initially did. It will be interesting to see what happens come training camp and how the lines end up being arranged.
      The other side to the story is the Hawks got two players who can come in and immediately contribute. Suddenly the Hawks are now looking at a lineup that has a plethora of centers on it, with each one able to contribute in a different way. Dano could really turn into a depth scoring threat much like Saad was.
      In the end I don’t feel as decimated by this trade as I initially did. It will be interesting to see what happens come training camp and how the lines end up being arranged.

    • Jim

      ..

      • B.I.G. Forever

        Thats good stock! I also think he was born in Austria. I had no idea he grew up in Slovakia.

    • DJ

      Your mistake was listening to Boers (the Nitwit) and Bernstein (the Smug Prick). A waste of five hours’ worth of bandwidth.

      • 60MinutesBaby60

        @ DJ –
        Don’t disagree w/ your content, but the tone is a bit harsh. You kinda sound like them. πŸ˜‰

      • B.I.G. Forever

        I find them, at times, mildly entertaining. But they are admittedly ‘Hockey Stupid..’

  • To Saad be the glory

    Richards signs with scum for 1 yr./3mil.

    • Lionel Hutz

      Bonuses worth up to another 1M. Sad to see him go. Great pro.

      • Richards was a consummate professional, and he really turned it on in the playoffs. I’m not disappointed in the fact A.A. is likely taking his place, but Richards turned out to be just what we hoped he’d be. I enjoyed having him here.

        • 60MinutesBaby60

          @Nutbrown – Hi 5 bro, your words.

    • Jim

      Nice rental, won a cup. Sweeeet no look pass to Kane in Game 6 against TB, which Kane buried, and sealed the deal on Cup 3.

      • seabsrat

        One of the most memorable plays of the cup run last season. When I think of Game 6, I think of that goal and the crowd just going nuts. He and Kane had such great chemistry.

        • 60MinutesBaby60

          Look for Richie to *accidently* set-up Kaner for one next time Wings & Hawks play. Y’know … for old time’s sake.
          πŸ˜‰

          • 60MinutesBaby60

            Hell … and maybe verse vysa – the same. πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰

          • seabsrat

            Haha 60, where have you been at man?! Haven’t seen you since the regular season! We could’ve used your unbridled enthusiasm and positivity during some of the dark days of the playoffs!

          • 60MinutesBaby60

            Got sick of reading my own non-sensical posts. So I banned myself. T/y for your words tho bud.

            This Saad BOMBSHELL has made me mental
            enough to not be able to control my motor-mouth TCI comments-wise. So …

        • Jimnhlnut

          Re-watch the replay. Crowd, Richards, Kane go nuts. oduya and Hammer too tired to even lift their arms.

          Incredible.

    • Aaeismacgychel

      I’ll really miss him. He truly was great for us and I do think he leaves a pretty large hole for us especially from a PP and 2nd center/Kane linemate perspective. He was the only one on the team who knew how to run the point on the PP and his vision and decisionmaking were superb. He was a great linemate for Kane plus his backchecking effort was a lot better than advertised. His effort really made him a very active part of winning a cup and as a team we really will miss him. Anisimov is a good piece, but while I think he can be a 2nd line center on many teams, I see him more of a 3rd line center on our team, like a more offensively and less defensively talented Vermette than a Richards. I think I said earlier, that Andrew Ladd’s style of play is pry a fair comparison if Anisimov stays healthy. He’s a pesky player for sure but not the leader or offensive visionary that Richards is. I wish we could have re-signed Brad, but truth be told, he got his cup, he helped the team immensely, and signing a lowball offer from us isn’t doing himself justice or fairness. He deserves the $3-$4M and the most we pry could give him is $2.5M x 2yrs after moving a piece. I think we’re still going to be seeking a 2nd line center next year so this hurts. Richards was great for us and would’ve been a great transition center for another 1-2 years for us even though he’s closer to the twilight of his career. I really wish him the best- great guy, great teammate, and great class.

  • Feenux

    I’m reading the Richards contract with Detroit and he gets bonuses for the playoffs. Something like $250k for winning one round, and $750k for winning another. Can anyone explain how that would effect the cap hit for Detroit? Would the Hawks be able to employ something like that to entice future free agents to take a smaller contract but loaded with incentives?

    • HossasPierogi

      Because you can go over the cap during the playoffs (as Stan so brilliantly showed us this year), I’m guessing playoff bonuses don’t count toward the cap in year 1, but something tells me they may for the following year. I remember Toews’ bonus in 2010 contributing to the post-2010 Cap-ocalypse.

      • GoldenJet

        Teams can have bonuses up to a certain percentage over the cap .If the bonuses kick in to the point the allowed overage is exceeded, the difference is deducted from the following season’s Cap allowance.

        • HossasPierogi

          Thanks!

    • Aaeismacgychel

      Okay, so in the old CBA, performance bonuses earned counted towards the following year’s salary cap. I believe this is no longer the case and in the current CBA, your cap space must include the possibility of paying that full bonus. But while you have a salary cap at 100% for standard salary, you are allowed to go up to 107.5% for standard + performance bonus salary with all team player performance bonuses assuming that all performance bonuses are hit. So example because that’s a ton of words and can be confusing:
      Salary cap: $71.4M (actual)
      Salary + Total Performance bonus cap: $76.7M (actual)
      Total team salary: $70.0M (pretend)
      In that case, you have $70M going to your team through standard salary, which means you can give up to $6.7M in performance bonuses. That said, I think only Entry level contracts or players over 35 getting a 1yr contract are eligible to go over the $71.4M cap space and to that 7.5% cap overage. All other player performance bonuses must be included towards that $71.4M cap. So long story short, in the current CBA, you can use bonuses to attract ELCs and 35+ yr olds up to 7.5% over the cap but that is it. So very limited functionality though useful for players in the beginning or very end of their career, and maybe useful for teams wanting to hit the salary cap floor without having to pay out in an extreme circumstance. I hope that explains it (and I hope I’m right- the new CBA is tricky)

      • lizmcneill

        I think it still rolls over. The Hawks had a 600K overage this season, from Saad I think.

        And I’m pretty sure you can’t count them towards the floor, because they may not be achieved.

  • Mambo Man

    Filthy dirty agents!

    Is Saad 6’5 230? No! So why do people keep saying how “big” he is. He’s done growing, right?

  • B.I.G. Forever

    Phil Kessel just got traded for a bag of popcorn. As mentally weak as Phil is, if I were a Leafs fan I would be furious.

    All Pittsburgh based donut shops should be on high alert – Phil the Thrill is coming to town.

    • To Saad be the glory

      Why furious? All the Leaf fans who were bitching up a storm about Kessel being a worthless p.o.s. during the regular season are the same ones that are pissing and moaning that they didn’t get enough for him in the trade. Leaf nation should be happy that Phil is gone and that Shanahan/Hunter didn’t let him go for picks to unload the contract.Considering they gave up a pick for Phil that turned into Tyler Seguin they ought to be happy they got anything back at all.

      • GoldenJet

        So there’s an opening in Toronto for Sharp?

  • Nick

    10-15 more for Sharp? The guy’s 35. The clock waits for no man.

  • DJ

    Vermette returns to Arizona. 2 years, $3.75 million.

    • To Saad be the glory

      meh

    • Guackyhawk

      3.75 per or for the two years (ie 1.9 per?). If the latter then omg we couldn’t or wouldn’t match that!?!?!? Richards’ is effectively a 4mil deal with Scum so I get losing Richards but Vermie!? He looked good at the end. Did Q just hate him that much?

      • GoldenJet

        $3.75 per…

        Arty is cheaper by about $500k this season and he’s 6years younge.

  • Sopel the catfish

    Beleskey to Boston, who also traded to get Jimmy Hayes, guess that might distance them from Bickell?
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=773568&navid=nhl:topheads

    • To Saad be the glory

      double meh

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      No inside scuttlebutt but in my un-informed opinion the Hawks could
      not GIVE Bicksy away right now. My guess he’s LTIR or taking the I90 shuttle westbound.

      Harsh prediction sure, but also fair to say I think Hawks fans have tried their best to cheer the guy on. I’m guessing knees and/or head injuries b/c #29 just doesn’t have NHL level skills at this point in time.

      Name’s on Stanley Cup two times tho …

      • lizmcneill

        Sending him to Rockford only takes 950K off of his cap hit.

  • Jim

    Saad no contract with CBJ yet? His agent must be workin the black magic still…

    • seabsrat

      Maybe he found a loophole and Saad is coming back to Chicago to play for free! And all the players that we love will be back on the roster and we’ll never have to trade them away ever again!!!!!

      … what do you mean I’m being irrational?

      • 60MinutesBaby60

        Makes sense to me bud. Keep it on the hush-hush but I’m hearing we’re getting Dougie from Calgary too. Stanbo FTW.

    • Cluster_Puck

      Obvious, Columbus did not have an offer sheet ready to go otherwise deal would have been done now. Appears Lewis bluff was called by Stan and now Saad is in a small market with zero leverage. Can’t wait to see what he signed for and the leak of what the Hawks were offering compared to the 6yr/6.5AAV

  • denislemieux

    Kudos to Stan, he acted decisively. But who amongst us doesn’t think this had the blessing of the Holy Father and maybe even McD? I don’t like the trade but I don’t think he had a choice. When you win with young talent this is what happens. And winning a cup bumps everyone’s value. Sentimentality, like you said, is a feel good story while “coffee is for closers”.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      hehe. Gotta up arrow any and all Glengary refs. “ABC” bud. πŸ˜‰

  • jordyhawk

    I would like to hear that Kruger has a new deal with us before too much longer. Come on Stan, get it done.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      All I got left on my Bolly-Krugs-Fro like is #16. PLEEZE PuckGods don’t let Bowman whackout Marcus too!

      • jordyhawk

        Should have retired it for Chico Maki and you never would have had that problem.

  • GoldenJet
    • 60MinutesBaby60

      Jeezus I’m like a kid crying over not getting his way (#20 traded) and Mom puts a bowl of ice cream in front of me (Dano highlight reel) and I’m, “Hey cool. Can I have another scoop, Ma?”

  • Brandon Murray

    As all these deals come & go I really just want to say Thank You to Richards, Saader, & Vermie for helping is achieve a 3rd Stanley Cup in the modern era. Good luck boys, you’re time here was short but well worth it.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      All hail the Rent-a-Champs! No joke neither.
      Don’t forget Desi tho. Dude’s ALL frickin heart.

  • To Saad be the glory

    Well,the events of the last few days kinda sucked. No Saader,No Vermsy,No Richards. But ya know what? When I wake up in the morning I gotta decide what to wear for the day. Should I wear some championship gear from the 2015 team? Or maybe go 2013? Hell,I might even go all nostalgic and sport some 2010 shit.That’s the one thing we will always have,being fans of the greatest team in pro sports! Fucking right Chicago!!

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      Any Crow ’13 Cup celebration quote an automatic up arrow from me.

  • 60MinutesBaby60

    Go check Twitter after 2 hours here scrolling & posting (and writing off
    Bickell) … See pic of #29 w/ Cup at kids’ hospital. I am suck.

  • sc33

    DISCLAIMER: I am not a Crawford hater.

    Curious though…anybody else wondering whether it would’ve been worth it to keep Saad and trade Crawford, in the belief that Darling/Raanta would’ve been good enough at a far lower (combined) cap number?

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      I’ve read the Hawks are keen on some KHL goalie who will only come stateside if guaranteed big club status – i.e. no AHL bus trips included.

      With that in mind AND based on 2 other simultaneous pre-RFA day moves as prereqs …
      1) inking Mike Reilly which we now know was a no go and
      2) persuading Nashville to part w/ Seth Jones for – pick any 3 of or even all 4 the following, Sharpy Shawsy Bicksy & Versteeg-sy (keeping w/ the *-y* thingy) …

      Okay here goes … Crow AND Seabrook to Edmonton for … ask for Eberle settle for Nugent-Hopkins. Woulda netted $5 mill cap which coincidently woulda kept Saad in an Indianhead.

      My plan …
      Crow & Seabs gone. But … 2C AND top 4 Dman set for a decade AND this entire Saad NIGHTMARE never happens.

      Am I goofy? Well of course I am and maybe the Preds woulda laughed at the proposition anyway, but we now know Bowman DID move KEY players and isn’t it *smarter* to trade *assets* a year sooner than a year too later?

      PS – i’m not a Crawford hater either …

      • GoldenJet

        Why include Shaw in the Jones deal? I’m sure Stan could get that deal done with sharp, Versteeg, bickell and maybe rundblad as Jones replacement .

      • sc33

        Pretty sure NSH would’ve laughed at that offer.

        • 60MinutesBaby60

          Could be right about that. I’m probably too high on SJones but he sure impressed me that 1st series.
          And Reilly who knows. Time’ll tell …

          I’m still ticked Bowman let Dahlbeck go. @#$%.

  • Say what again

    I think I agree with just about everything in the article. Except Sam’s valuation of four years of college.

  • Jimnhlnut

    Secord not home grown.

  • Paul Dumais

    It’s gonna be the Alex Zhamnov scenario all over again. God help us.

    • Aaeismacgychel

      Don’t speak that name here. That was the name that destroyed my childhood. That said, there’s no way it’s that scenario all over again as Saad is nowhere near the player JR was and was not the heart and soul of the team as JR was. This will hurt, but it seems Saad gave us very little choice in retaining him even if it was all his agent’s doing. Roenick would’ve given up an arm and a leg to have stayed in Chicago and Dollar Bill wouldn’t even give him an offer let alone a fair offer. Then demolished the team piece by piece just because he didn’t want to pay anyone anything. I think Stan tried making the best decision for the team with what options he had available. I think if he could have reasonably kept Saad he would have. And I think that there’s no way he will do what Old Man Wirtz did