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Stan Bowman Loses His Mind

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. This is the same GM who signed John Scott. The same guy who signed Dan Carcillo not once, but twice with the second time coming after he’d blown out his knee trying to maim Tom Gilbert, eroding whatever mobility he already didn’t have. It seems Stan Bowman has a myopia when it comes to these things.

Today Stan Bowman handed Brandon Bollig, a useless clod if there ever was one (though not as useless as Car Bomb or Scott, I’ll give him that) a three year extension worth $1.25 million annually. Think about that. Brandon Bollig, who can’t skate and can’t pass and can’t find his own dick in the defensive zone but boy can he shoot if your goalie falls asleep and you give him five minutes of space, will make $100K a year less than Marcus Kruger. That’s Marcus Kruger, #3 center on the silver-medal winning team in Sochi. He gets paid slightly more than Bollig.

Even if you think Bollig has a place on this team (this team that wants to play fast and well with the puck), 1.2 mildo is basically twice what he should be getting paid. Bollig’s are a dime a dozen, and they all make the minimum. And if you don’t think that extra 4-500 grand matters to a salary cap, look at the hell the Hawks find themselves in now with trying to make a deal. It obviously does matter.

Already, Bollig should not be keeping Jeremy Morin out of the lineup. Andrew Shaw should be skating where Bollig is, and Morin should be higher up because he can provide something. Bollig provides nothing. He’s not quick enough to be a physical force or a net presence, he doesn’t protect anyone because we’ve seen too many Hawks get clobbered with him on the ice, and he doesn’t contribute in any other way. This is either Q calling the shots and forcing Stan to do this, or Stan has fallen victim to some sort of brain-eating parasite.

Usually, Stan has realized his mistake with this kind of thing and made up for it. Both Scott and Carcillo were traded before their deals were up, and I can only hope for the same now. Because the Hawks have a fair few forward prospects who are going to want to crack the lineup in the coming years. Am I really going to have to sit here and watch McNeill or Danualt or Ross or whoever else in the coming years get the Morin-treatment simply so Q can keep Bollig out there to prove his geniousness to no one but himself? Because I don’t think I’m ready for that.

Just wait til Bollig costs the Hawks another playoff game. Just you fucking wait.

-A word on Pirri here. It’s no surprise that he was dealt, and even less so that he was dealt to Florida. No one here thought Pirri would be a star, but he’s a better option than anything on the roster for the #2 center role. As my brother pointed out on Twitter, the Hawks are one awkward crash into the boards from being Handzus-Regin-Shaw-Kruger down the middle, and how anyone around here can find that acceptable is beyond me. Pirri definitely had holes in his game, but far too often Q looks at what a player can’t do instead of what he can. I’m convinced that if Pirri was placed between Sharp and Hossa his defensive warts would have looked a hell of a lot smaller instead of mostly being placed between the diminutive Kane and the brain-diminutive Versteeg.

It’s ok, Pirri would have fallen behind Teuvo Teravainen in the pecking order as soon as this spring. He can only be a top six center really, and I don’t know he’ll get that chance even in Florida with Bjugstad and Barkov and even Huberdeau able to play center. But I hope he does. I hope he scores a fuckton of points. He’s earned the chance.

I’m going to go throw up blood now.

  • Country_Bumpkin

    XMF to go thermonuclear in 3…2…1..

    • Joe Banks

      My exact first thought.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Now I understand. They drugged me up in advance. I’m going to hurt something.

  • KingTalkyTiki

    There’s Monday Mornings…and then there’s Monday Mornings when you wake up to this. *head wall*

  • mightymikeD

    I still feel that there is another shoe about to drop here.. and I fear it may involve Morin

    • Accipiter

      As long as the Hawks get picks in return for him, it shouldn’t be anything to lose sleep over.

      • mightymikeD

        I dunno.. that would leave Forward depth pretty much a muddy puddle in the event of injuries

        • Accipiter

          TT(when his Euro season is done), Nordstrom, Mills, Pierre-Marc Bouchard(maybe ?), McNeill, Danault ….

          There are other players that could be called upon. Maybe Morin gets traded for another prospect that could be used ?

        • Joe Banks

          Mighty Mike? Good to see you!

    • lizmcneill

      Drafted by Winnipeg. I sense a pattern here.

    • Commit88

      Maybe when the Hawks win the Cup again this summer Stanley can trade Bollig and tout him as a “shut down 2 time Stanley Cup champion, who can also punch people’s teeth out”.

    • I Remember The Roar!

      For the sake of this season and next, I share the fear because I like Morin and we may need some depth. But let’s remember we’ve got a hell of a team right now, and we’re building on the 20+ year model.

      For those that aren’t a Toews or Kane, a player is typically picked in the draft, developed in the minors, and then brought up to make some noise in the NHL. On this team, will Morin crack top 6? Top 9? I’d like to see him get a chance, but if not he has the most value as a young player. If we hang onto these guys until they’re in their upper 20′s, we’ll never get a return.

      Again, not saying I like Pirri being shipped off, or that other should go too. I’m just saying we have to trust in the process and continue to draft well. That’s the name of the game and why we all must trust StanBo!

      • neo1978

        The league definitely punishes the good organizations. They tend to let other teams steal the good team’s depth players. So that means good teams have to proactively move depth players before they really want to. Or face losing them for nothing. Welcome to rooting for a perennial good team.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Parity is as pretty as mediocrity.

    • Bob Lanz

      Please no, I believe in this kid! If it’s just a move to move him I will hate it!

  • FattyBeef

    Well this is an interesting turn of events.

  • zacked

    I don’t get it either, especially the 3 years part, but the ONLY reason he’s going to make almost as much as Kruger is because he’s a UFA.

    • SamFels

      True, but it’s the principle at work here.

      • zacked

        Do he and Toews have the same agent? I got nothin’ here. They just signed him through his age-30 season.

        Ooh wait I got it. Stan’s trolling us. “You want to criticize me after I win you a cup? Criticize this”.

  • PePeLemieux

    Seems to me that if Pirri wasn’t in the Hawks plans, why trade him now? Wouldn’t he have brought more interest from other teams and more than a 3rd and 5th by waiting until, say, around draft day?

    • SamFels

      His contract is up after the year, would have been worth nothing at draft day.

      • lizmcneill

        He’ll be RFA without arbitration rights. Assuming Stan can work a fax machine, he retains most of his value if QO’d.

        • neo1978

          That is it in a nutshell. The QO would be more than he would typically resign for. And the Hawks got more from Tallon than they could reasonable expect from somebody else.

      • PePeLemieux

        Well don’t I feel like a complete idiot…

    • Tornsys

      I’m inclined to believe that this is a return favor for the extremely favorable price to get Versteeg earlier this season from Dale Talon. On the bright side it’s good to see that he’ll get a better opportunity with another team.

    • Accipiter

      He was worth more to Tallon now.

  • Michael Scott

    But he’s grown a lot and he barely fights now and he does so much… Grit

    • Joe Banks

      If I want the type of grit Bollig provides, I’ll buy the CHEAP toilet paper…

  • Commit88

    The only thing I can hope for is Bollig will be traded. Saw this on the comments on nhl.com – “Excellent. He is an integral part of that 4th line that has dominated puck possession all season.”

    • ahnfire

      I saw that and had to restrain myself from posting many many facepalm gifs in response.

    • Joe Banks

      I’m sure XMF posted that… not!!!

  • BestPredsForward

    From Lazerus: “Brandon Bollig has played every game this season, and has only three fights. Has worked hard to become more than just an enforcer.” Thank God we have 3 more years of “more than just an enforcer”

  • DougWilsonsCurls

    A Hawks fan I know loves Bollig. Says his line has been dominant all season. Really???

    • lizmcneill

      “his” line. Kruger’s line, more like.

  • chidiver

    Dear god!…..and there’s no scotch at work! THE HORROR!

    • ahnfire

      where is your emergency flask?!

      what is this poor planning?!

      • Joe Banks

        Sounds like you’re “packin”

  • lizmcneill

    “As my brother pointed out on Twitter, the Hawks are one awkward crash
    into the boards from being Handzus-Regin-Shaw-Kruger down the middle,
    and how anyone around here can find that acceptable is beyond me.”

    Face it, Fels, if Marvel goes out we can forget about a playoff run, Pirri or no Pirri.

    • G Man

      I think that we could have packaged Pirri and gone for more.. Like Kesler. Pirri, Morin, McNeil, Johns and another may have been enough to shake him loose. His status as an AHL All Star/ MVP could have helped Vancouver GM to save face enough to agree to a package of a bunch of prospects.

      • Accipiter

        No.

        • G Man

          OK, how about Pirri, Morin and Seabrook. That matches Kesler’s $5M/ year hit. And with Dahlbeck and Johns development, your future stay at home big D man may be already in house.

          • lizmcneill

            UFA-aged dmen with NTC’s are the last thing VAN needs.

            Also:

            Duncs/Jelly
            Odie/Leddy
            Rosi/Bbank

            doesn’t fill me with confidence for these playoffs.

      • zacked

        That’s what we call a “video game trade”, and they almost never happen. 5 for 1?

      • lizmcneill

        Cap space. Even moving out Bicks and Mutt would have left them with 11 forwards with Hossa broken.

  • mazer_rackham

    The uncomfortable fact is that Bollig has his name on the cup more times than the Sedin brothers, and they signed for a combined total of 56M over 4 years last year.

    • lizmcneill

      And if he doesn’t turn over the puck in Game 2 OT, maybe Jonny gets his name on the Cup while getting cross-checked in the head a few less times.

    • zacked

      Infidel! People like you will put Osgood in the HOF!

      • mazer_rackham

        Osgood deserves to be in the HOF because played his entire career with one of those special needs helmets. Someone like that only comes along once a generation.

        • zacked

          Please, Hasek’s mask was weirder.

  • jordyhawk

    It looks bad now, but it will seem cheap when he moves into the top 6.

    • lizmcneill

      Wash out your mouth.

      • jordyhawk

        I can do that. It’s cross amputation where I draw the line.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      Mahna Mahna

    • ChicagoNativeSon

      LOL

  • DesertHawk

    I like Bollig. He’s not an amazing player, but as long as we keep winning, I couldn’t care less. Now if suddenly the team implodes and we don’t make the playoffs again for like 15 years, then I guess we can all look back at this as the moment Stan ruined everything. I’m inclined to trust him though.

    • Bobby Otter

      This isn’t MLB and the Hawks aren’t the Yankees. There’s a salary cap.

      • DesertHawk

        You’re right the Hawks have won their respective title more times in the last ten years than the Yankees have. I’mma keep trusting Bowman.

        • Accipiter

          He was also right about this not being MLB.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    Here is a sample from the Hawks FB
    .
    At least one Chicago team keeps good players unlike the rest of the Chicago seems
    .
    Got to the NHL with his fists. Staying in the NHL with his skates, improved shooting, and responsible defense. Way to go, Brandon!
    .
    Congrates WELL DESERVED!! Keep up the hard work!!
    B-52 on a mission!
    .
    Pretty worthless individual.
    .
    Smart move keep instigating an pressing on with ur play
    .
    Bad deal. Not sure how anyone supports this

    • Commit88

      “pretty worthless individual” – I lol’d.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I was just reading that…

  • AllYouYoungHockeyPlayersOutThe

    There is only one explanation.

  • Paul the Fossil

    If Pirri isn’t able to become a useful regular on a non-playoff team, even granting that center isn’t the Panthers’ weakest spot, that will tend to support the conclusion that Q and I guess Bowman have reached about him.

    The Bollig signing isn’t very smart even given his pending UFA status if for no other reason than it seems to misunderstand the demand and supply realities for the kind of NHL player that Bollig is. But…the hysteria around here about the caliber of the 10-minutes-per-game-12th-forward slot on the Hawks seems a bit overwrought. Kind of feels like the NHL fan version of “First-world problem”.

    • zacked

      I don’t care that much about Bollig, I’m mostly concerned with the opportunity cost of paying a 4th liner a mildo and more importantly, blocking another roster spot.

      • lizmcneill

        And having to see Kruger drag his ass around for the next 3 years. He’s under contract for 2 years longer than Frogger now. WELP.

        • zacked

          It’s ok, Frogger’s Swedish, he probably believes in the socialism.

    • guest

      To be fair, I feel like we traffic almost exclusively in nhlfirstworldproblems on this site. Probably 90% of the problems we’ve gone nuclear about in the last month are things that fans of 20 other teams would give a kidney (or more) to have. We bitch about the entitlement of other fanbases, but what does it look like when it’s regularly written that “the benchmark of success for this team is another Stanley Cup”? We overpay our 4th line grinders, but Buffalo is over there paying 3rd-line-at-best guys 6 times as much and pretending that this transmutes them into top 6 talent.

      Perspective.

      • Paul the Fossil

        And Buffalo isn’t even the worst in the league in that regard. Not even the worst in their own division actually.

        • lizmcneill

          Toronto. David Clarkson is making about as much as Sharpy does, and has fewer points than Bollig.

          • Paul the Fossil

            And Glen Sather has to be on the same list with the Rangers, though it’s been a bit now since he last did a really stupid contract. (He’s due!)

  • Joe Banks

    I’m worried about XMF… has anyone checked on him?

    • 10thMountainFire

      How does one find the ‘unlike’ button for earth?

  • amontesawesome

    I don’t like the term of this deal, but-

    Brandon Bollig is 108th in FF% (51.1) amongst forwards with a min. of 500 minutes played. Other notables include Evgeni Malkin (100), Eric Staal (109), Paul Stasny (110), Ryan Getzlaf (112).

    Bollig on ES has 1.10 P/60 which places him ahead of Troy Brouwer (1.03), Dustin Brown, (1.07), tied with Brandon Sutter (1.10), but just behind Zach Parise (1.15).

    The Bollig hate is so incredibly mystifying. It’s based in feeling and emotion and not anything closely resembling fact.

    • DesertHawk

      He’s funny and gave my kid a puck. As long as he can’t be linked to us losing… I’m good with him staying. /likesourguys

    • Bobby Otter

      Bollig can’t skate or pass or score or play defense. Just because Kruger drags him around to decent numbers doesn’t make Bollig good.

      • amontesawesome

        A variation on the above stat-

        Bollig w/ Kruger- 49.5 CF%
        Bollig w/o- 49.8%

        • lizmcneill

          Sample size and zone starts w/o Kruger?

          • amontesawesome

            Sample’s small obviously since they play so much together. Bollig’s next most common centers go Nordstrom, Pirri, and Shaw so it’s not exactly murderer’s row there either.

            But I would expect that if Bollig were as useless as someone would like to argue, there would be a more pronounced difference in Kruger w/o. Particularly whenever he’s moved away from Bollig it’s to play in the top 6.

            Is there a site that filters WOWY and zone starts? I was just using hockey analysis and I don’t think you can there. Unless I’m missing something?

          • lizmcneill

            Don’t think so, unless Extraskater added something lately.

          • red palace

            Here’s the hockey analysis page, with the unadjusted numbers: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1631&withagainst=true&season=2013-14&sit=5v5
            At the top you’ll see you can also flip over to zone-start-adjusted (I haven’t dug into how they calculate this) and zone-start-adjusted-close.

      • I Remember The Roar!

        Can’t argue with the eye test results, but we also have to remember the other guys on the team that we’re watching. He’s losing an eye test that includes watching Toews and Hossa dominate possession and Patrick Kane skating through entire teams. The elite make the ordinary seem pedestrian.

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      It’s based on the fact that beyond the underlying numbers that Kruger has dragged him to, he brings absolutely nothing to the table.

      • amontesawesome

        Marcus Kruger CF% w/ Bollig- 49.5%
        Marcus Kruger w/o- 50.3%

        • Paul the Fossil

          Oh boy…find an asbestos suit dude. Deploying objective evidence of on-ice effectiveness in a TCI discussion of a particular Blackhawk is a hit-or-miss proposition: a hit regarding all Hawks except the ones named Bollig or Seabrook.

          • Accipiter

            One of those 2 players was named LVP.

          • amontesawesome

            I LOVE staking out unpopular positions. This is where I eat. I’m just thankful StanBow gave me an opportunity to do so this morning. This is better than Christmas.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Oh wow, what a massive difference. Brandon Bollig makes Michael Handzus look fast and makes Sheldon Brookbank look offensively gifted by comparison.

          • Publius Federalist No 10

            According to Hockey Abstract’s player usage charts Bollig has faced better quality of competition than Kane, Saad, Handzus, Regin, Bickell, Versteeg, Pirri, Morin, and Shaw (listed in descending order of QoC) and has only had 17.6% Offensive zone starts, the lowest percentage on the team, so much for that Q protection theory.

    • FattyBeef

      #eyetest

      • Accipiter

        #SeabrookSucks

        • FattyBeef

          #back2BC, #freekesler, #freekane

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      These are also team-mate dependent stats. You need to compare them to this team in like matchups to see how he contributes or does not. You put Bollig with Toews-Kane, he is going to have better numbers than Sharp with Brokbank-Nortstrum as linemates. How Sharp compares to Bollig with the same linemates is a better tell.

    • Bullitt315

      The group think here hates fighting and Bollig got in the league because he fights even if he doesn’t fight much anymore.

      You think the fact that one of the best coaches in the league uses him in an everyday role and one of the best GM’s in the league just resigned him that maybe he isn’t worthless. (Money seems high to me but I had a feeling he was going to get re-signed and was looking forward to the OMG BOLLIG SUCKS! thread)

      • ahnfire

        I don’t hate Bollig because he broke into the league as a fighter. He’s made strides to be more than that, and good for him.

        I hate him because he’s getting overpaid for what he is (a marginal fourth-liner at best) and when we’re already scrunched up against the cap, these types of deals are terrible. StanBow has created a trend for himself regarding these specific type of players – someone who breaks into the league at such a low level that any improvement is vastly overrated and consequently gets over-rewarded. If Bollig came into the league at the level he is now, we’d all be screaming at this overpayment – you don’t give your marginal fourth-liners 1.25AAV for 3yrs. But since he came in the team as a guy whose main skill was balancing on skates as he punched someone, the fact that he can now kind of play hockey means suddenly he’s worth the price? That’s ridiculous.

        • Bullitt315

          People hate him at a 575k cap hit. It’s not like people here suddenly hated Bollig because he’s overpaid. They’ve always hated him.

          • ahnfire

            first – just want to say that there’s a difference between hating a player because of how he’s utilized vs hating him as a person. I have no issues with Bollig as a person, and for some reason I’m reading that into your comments. I just want to make that clear, although that might not be necessary.

            second – just because he was signed by a good GM or used consistently by a good coach doesn’t mean he’s suddenly a great player either. they’re not infallible or impervious to hours of stupidity.

          • Bullitt315

            “I just want to make that clear, although that might not be necessary.” Not necessary. I don’t think anyone here really hates the guy as a person. I think he’s a decent 4th line winger that’s probably overpaid by 200-300k.

          • Bob Lanz

            I’m chocking on my word but Ahn is right! I don’t hate bollig, I’m indifferent to him, but I believe and it’s just my belief that there are better hockey players in our organization including 4th line guys who could play on higher lines but there is no room up there

        • lizmcneill

          See also: Bickell. How much of that 4M is because he was here 3 years at 500K?

        • amontesawesome

          What makes him a marginal fourth liner?

          • 10thMountainFire

            He sucks at hockey?

          • amontesawesome

            He scores more than Troy Brouwer at evens. He starts in his o-zone 18% of the time. He plays above average competition.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You have to factor teammates into the stats. Kruger and Smith have kept Bollig from completely imploding on several occasions.

          • amontesawesome

            This doesn’t show up in the WOWYs. Kruger’s CF% is only .8% higher without Bollig despite the fact that his next most common linemates are Saad, Bickell, and Kane.

          • neo1978

            I’m fairly certain at this point that Bollig drives puck possession on Kruger’s line as opposed to being along for the ride.

          • 10thMountainFire

            In all seriousness, can you explain that to me? I don’t know how that is and I’d like to know a bit more in case I’m not seeing the game correctly.

          • neo1978

            A player like Bollig can drive puck possession by either pressuring the puck on the forecheck or winning board battles. I don’t think Bollig gets the credit he deserves for his play in either of those areas, especially the corners.

          • red palace

            Myself, I would describe Bollig more as a “contributor” rather than “driver” (/corporatespeak’d), but a couple of shifts in the 3rd period Saturday were good examples of this, the Hawks’ 4th line eating up some of the opponent’s 2nd line’s minutes by bogging them down against the boards and playing keep away on the cycle.

          • ahnfire

            I definitely agree with calling him a contributor as opposed to a driver, as I’d say that it’s more often Smith & Frogger that are pressuring on the forecheck or grinding along the boards. Bollig tends to help his linemates by floating in the middle and waiting for an opportunity to attempt hits around the middle of the ice/point/circles, where contact is sporadic. Granted, that does pressure the puck carrier to send the puck further back into their zone, but then it’s still usually Smith & Frogger forechecking & grinding along the boards below the circles, and doing most of that work.

          • neo1978

            I’m not as enamored with words as some of you are. If somebody develops a statistical concept and uses the word “protected”, well, that is the word I will use when talking about the concept.

            If somebody uses the word “driver” to describe another statistical concept, I will use that word too. I’m just not into the semantics of stuff like some of you seem to be…

          • Publius Federalist No 10

            Kruger drives that line but Bollig does contribute. I thought Bollig was going to be resigned for a slight raise and this is slightly more than I thought he would get but I am fine with it. I thought he would get 875,000 – 950,000.

          • ahnfire

            What makes him a marginal fourth liner is the question of whether his skill set be replaced by almost anyone else in the AHL that’s on the bubble to make it to the NHL.

            If the answer is “yes”, then to me, he’s a marginal fourth liner. Bollig doesn’t do ANYTHING that says that he’s deserving to be here other than that Q likes him and plays him.

            The difference between him and BenSmith, whom I consider a standard fourth liner is that I trust BenSmith & his skillset. Do BenSmith’s skills warrant him any higher than bottom 6? Probably not. But I’d be willing to slot him up the 3rd line, am fine with him on the PK, and know he has a good work ethic. That’s the difference between a marginal fourth liner and a fourth liner. Bollig has a good work ethic, but I’d never push him up past the fourth line, and only want him on my fourth line with responsible linemates.

          • amontesawesome

            This is kind of my point. He’s a marginal 4th liner because he feels like a marginal 4th liner.

            How many 4th liners in the league are used the way Bollig is? He starts almost entirely in his defensive zone against above average competition. Despite this, he has been marginally productive. I suppose you can make the argument that he’s no different than Luke Gadzic or Colton Orr or Kuleiman or Eager but the fact is that his numbers and deployment are better than them. I suppose you could make the argument that he’s just along for the ride with Kruger and Smith, but that doesn’t show up in the WOWYs.

          • lizmcneill

            He’s better than Orr. He’s not as good as Kruger and Smith.
            You could replace him for what he makes now and use the difference to bring up one of the kids. Or just replace him with a kid.

          • Bullitt315

            Could you use the kids the same defensively? I don’t watch enough of the kids to know but I have a feeling if they were solid defensive 4th liners, they’d be playing. It isn’t just “Bring up the AHL guy with the most points” More goals isn’t our weekness

          • neo1978

            If there was any prospect good enough to replace Bollig on the defensive side, they would be up here playing. And most likely for Smith.

          • amontesawesome

            It’s possible that it’s a plug and play type situation, but I can’t make an objective argument for that.

  • guesthouse

    The arguably, second-to-worst player on your roster, who has probably maxed out any potential, was extended three years.

  • Bobby Otter

    Three years, $1.25 AAV for Bollig… worst contract in all Chicago sports?

    • zacked

      Alfonso Soriano says hello if he still counts. I don’t think a $1.25 million cap hit can even sniff ‘worst’ anything because it’s not crippling, even if it is mystifying.

      • Bobby Otter

        Soriano no longer counts imo. It’s the three years for Bollig that’s the killer. Three years for a below replacement player?!?!?! And the money does matter in a cap world.

        Danks is #1. Sorry about that Bollig. So is this the second worst contract in Chicago? Boozer is going to be amnestied, Jeff Keppinger still has too many years left, but MLB isn’t capped so blah. You could talk me into Edwin Jackson’s deal is worse than Bollig.

    • DesertHawk

      Did you follow the Hawks during the late 90s early 00s?

      • Bobby Otter

        ????

        • DesertHawk

          Bollig isn’t even close to the worst contract the Hawks have signed, much less in all of Chicago sports. Chill on the hyperbole.

          • Bobby Otter

            Right now, other than paying John Danks tens of million for the next three years, find me a worse deal. And remember, you can find someone with at least Bollig’s skill or more in the AHL and for the minimum.

          • DesertHawk

            I have no idea who John Danks is. But on a team that used to pay money to Karpovtsev… Bollig doesn’t even probably break the top 50 of bad contracts in the last 20 years of this franchise.

          • Commit88

            Cristobal Huet. Boris Mironov. Karpotsev. Bob Probert.

          • Bobby Otter

            Saying “this isn’t as bad as a lot of Pully deals” is a really horrible defense of the Bollig contract, btw.

          • DesertHawk

            I don’t think it’s a defense so much as a “The sky is not falling, simmer down”.

          • amontesawesome

            Khabibulin and it’s not even close.

          • DesertHawk

            Egads yeah. I forgot about him.

          • Waylon

            I’m not being snarky when I tell you that this contract is nothing but a small ass pimple compared to the insane contracts the Hawks handed out during the many years of extreme suckage. You could look it up, and you should.

          • Bobby Otter

            Yes I know about the bad deals that Hawks have given out in the past. I’m not talking about past contracts. I’m saying, right now, in Chicago is this the second worst contract for a professional athlete?

          • DesertHawk

            And people have already pointed out Khabibulin. As a worse contract, that’s currently on the Hawks.

          • Bobby Otter

            LOL, it doesn’t count against the cap and it expires on four months, that’s not a bad deal.

            A three year deal is a long time, if only for the roster spot it takes up.

          • DesertHawk

            So because Khabibulin got fucked up, and put on Longterm IR we’re going to pretend his contract is a good idea? Talk about moving goalposts dude.

          • zacked

            I’m not a Chicago fan other than the ‘hawks, so I don’t know them that well. But Jay Cutler’s deal is way, way, way worse than this.

    • Paul the Fossil

      It’s not even the worst contract on the Blackhawks right now (Khabibulin’s is). It’s also not among the twenty worst contracts in Blackhawk team history, nor one of the ten worst current contracts among Chicago’s pro sports teams. Other than that though you’re spot on.

      • Bobby Otter

        1) I’m not comparing eras (and again saying “it’s not as bad as when Pulford signed ____” is a horrible defense of the Bollig deal). 2) Khabibulin’s contract is over in four months and currently doesn’t count against the Hawks cap. Bollig is scheduled to be paid through 2017. It’s almost impossible for a one year deal worse than a three year deal.

        • Bullitt315

          A deal where you can bury 90% of the money in the minors doesn’t really hurt you too much. I bet if the Hawks “sent him down” someone would pick him up off waivers. I think money is too high but not that bad.

          • Bobby Otter

            I’ve assumed it’s a one way deal… is it a two-way deal? If so, then this isn’t nearly as bad.

          • Bullitt315

            I bet it’s one way but you can still bury a portion in the AHL. Doesn’t really work for guys who make 4-5 million but for a Million dollar guy, I think it gets most of it.

          • lizmcneill

            Partially buried Bollig: 325K in first year of deal, 300K in last 2. Doubt it happens though.

          • lizmcneill

            Doesn’t matter, he’d still have to clear waivers and someone would grab him. Dave Nonis is out there.

    • Joe Banks

      Hmmm…
      Sox: Adam Dunn
      Cubs: Sorry ono
      Bears: Cedric Benson, Curtis Enis, Rashaan Salaam (3 way tie)
      Bulls: Whoever that 1st round pick was that couldn’t steer a motorcycle?
      Blackhawks: Too many to choose from, but not recently.

  • guest

    2 things:

    1) You pay a player just enough to have them not paid more by someone else. Bollig was going UFA and Kruger was RFA many mooons ago when the cap (and cap expectations) were tighter and the future more uncertain. It’s just how pricing works in a world with as many crazy rules as nhl salaries.

    To me it’s the same deal as Bickell: Just because we think he sucks doesn’t mean some other red-assed moron (who is paid to be a GM) wouldn’t be willing to pay for that truculent 4th-line grinder that obviously carried the hawks through a series with the Boston Bullies. While my position would be “let the idiot have him,” Stan might have a little of the red-ass in his heart too (orrr he believes he can get something coming back the other way at a later date for moving this stupid contract, rather than just letting Bollig walk after someone offers him an even stupider one this summer).

    2) Q clearly wasn’t going to give Pirri the chance he deserved and TT was going to make him redundant anyway for younger and cheaper. No reason to resign him, got a bag with a few pucks in it coming back instead of nothing when they let him walk.

    • Tornsys

      I
      think the hawks are a strict system team, and they’ve found a guy with some
      size, some scoring ability for their bottom 6 and are sticking with him. I
      think some of it is a nod to the work and improvements he’s made

  • nextgame

    ‘Bollig’s are a dime a dozen, and they all make the minimum.’
    This is the problem with this extension. I see bottom end players on other team’s rosters that have as good or better hockey skill than Bollig whose contracts don’t pay as much or last as long. It seems like a significant misappropriation of team resourecs, especially given the Toews and Kane resignings to be dealt with. The only way I can see this not mattering is if the cap goes up to the neighborhood of $80 million in the next couple of seasons, thus allowing enough room to sign players with high end skill to competitively priced contracts while still paying this kind of money to marginal NHL players like Bollig.

    • guest

      How many of those marginal players were signed with the bonus of adding “a ring in the room” and advanced stat numbers padded by playing with Marcus Kruger, though? Much like people about to propose, GMs are willing to pay preposterous amounts of unnecessary money for some finger jewelry.

      • lizmcneill

        So let some other idiot pay, sign another undrafted kid who’ll take 550K to get punched in the face, work hard and be a good teammate. Use the other 700K on something else (payrise for Ben Smith, for a start).

        • guest

          The idiot is still out there, we can still make him give us a useful player in exchange for this dumb contract. All will be revealed. Never doubt the Bowman.

          (Or he’ll be moved after 2 years of abject failure in exchange for a 7th rounder).

  • jordyhawk

    What about Benny? How much should he get? He even wins faceoffs and kills penalties. Maybe Stan should have locked him up before he signed Bollig?

  • 10thMountainFire

    I just. I can’t. I’m joining the circus

    • Accipiter

      Morphine isn’t helping ?

      • 10thMountainFire

        I’m about to hire a face-puncher.

        • Accipiter

          I’d spend money on a clown car first.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Plenty of clowns to hire. What’s Burish’s address?

          • Accipiter

            I have to check with Eager.

          • Waylon

            he’s busy right now, eating paste.

          • Joe Banks

            Is Eager available?

          • ahnfire

            I think he’s the AHL and just got in a fight with our AHL puncher not too long ago.

    • BestPredsForward

      Are you at least okay with the Pirri deal?

      • 10thMountainFire

        Bad bad bad weekend. Where’s the light switch?

  • Joe Banks

    Hell, I haven’t gotten a good beating in a while, so here goes…
    Since day one of the Q regime, he has always insisted on having a gigantic, plodding, enforcer-like “substance” on the 4th line. The point is, that factor will exist as long as Q is here.
    Bollig has established himself as being hands down as being the best 4th line “substance” Q has employed on 4th line during his Hawks regime.
    Also, I would like to point out that Bollig always puts out maximum effort, and has shown continuous improvement each year.
    I may not agree with everything Stan and Q do, but they have both proven to me they know what the hell they are doing!
    For me, I’ve got a great spot picked out, and I’m going to embrace the horror! Long live Brandon Bollig!

    • DesertHawk

      I feel like a lot of folks have really forgotten what the team was like as little as 7 years ago.

      • 10thMountainFire

        So we want to go back?

        • DesertHawk

          No gods no. But part of making Chicago a place players want to come to is rewarding guys for improving. Bollig does well in the locker room, knows the system, fills Q’s need for a “face puncher”, has improved in his time here and doesn’t fuck up on the ice. It’s probably a bit more expensive than it needs to be, but it’s not the end of the world.

          • Bobby Otter

            He doesn’t fight. See Game 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals.

          • Accipiter

            Not many players fight in playoff games, let alone the SCF’s.

          • zacked

            If that’s what you’re concerned about, I’d be worry about the fact that we don’t have any roster slots to move guys up through the system.

          • Z-man19

            this concerns me

          • neo1978

            Prospects worth having “make” their roster slot available. It doesn’t matter whether one exists or not.

            You just need to look at the difference between Pirri and TT to know that. The roster spot that wasn’t available for Pirri will suddenly become available when TT shows up…

          • lizmcneill

            Death of a thousand papercuts. 700K for Bollig, 1m for Crow, 1.5M for Bicks….there’s Leddy money right there.

          • DesertHawk

            Maybe maybe not. We’ll see. Like I’ve said before I’m currently gonna keep trusting Bowman.

          • Accipiter

            Or, one paper cut to the tip of a penis.

          • amontesawesome

            I agree Stan has shelled out some questionable paper this past year, but honestly the Bollig money doesn’t even register.

            If the 1.25 were to become so onerous the club had to move it, they could move him to the minors where he’d only cost 275K against the cap.

          • Black JEM

            Actually, he fucks up much more than the normal person realizes – the triumphirate have pointed those things out regularly. He isn’t as strong as any of the 4th liners from the 2010 team (yeah, I know, completely loaded team). He doesn’t skate well. And to top that off at 1.25M he is wildly overpaid. One nice thing is that this rescues Crawford from the worst contract on the team.
            This team won’t not win the Cup because of Bollig, because he won’t be on the ice very often when it matters. But he keeps off the ice a better player in Rockford who could help us win a Cup.

          • DesertHawk

            The fact that you think Crow has the worst contract on the team and the lack of any supporting evidence other than “the Triumvirate says” make it really hard for me to give your position any credence.

          • Black JEM

            Crow contract – a six (? I’m spacing length at the moment) year deal at 6M when he isn’t even an average keeper this year and has wildly shifted his performance from month to month and year to year over his three years in net?
            I’d say it’s one of the worst goalie contracts in the league.

          • DesertHawk

            I’d say you don’t look at goalie stats… :shrug:

          • Black JEM

            When he was 45th roughly in both major categories what was the excuse then – I referenced the stats page before I typed them.
            liz may have a point regarding starters and subs – but as more teams utilize two starter systems, that argument loses some of its emphasis. I can see getting rid of the three guys with less than 10 starts, after that, not so sure.

          • lizmcneill

            Actually he’s been about the same 5 on 5 this year as last: http://www.extraskater.com/players/goalies?sort=save_pct_5v5

            All goalies are streaky. It’s not great (due to length) but he’s been an average-to-good starter 3 of his 4 seasons.

          • Bullitt315

            Crows probably and average goalie that’s getting paid like an average goalie.Goalies are getting PAID

          • Black JEM

            But he isn’t an average goalie. He played himself out a Canada Olympic team tryout. He currently is 24th in GA and 25th in Sv% – that is with being better the last three or four weeks. With a team that gives up few opportunities (low shots against). Put him on a team with higher shots against and his GA wouldn’t be top 30.

          • DesertHawk

            Played himself out of or injured himself out of? You’re also not taking into account or the scrambling dumpster fire our PK was for the first half of the season.

          • Black JEM

            I won’t disregard that as a factor – and if we discover at the end that this was all injury related I’m happy to revisit any of it – but his PK SV% was awful, and that was on him.
            But he had played himself out of an invite well before he went out injured. Maybe they are related.

          • DesertHawk

            The PK format was also completely different from last year, and Q was riding him into the ground. Those are all factors that’ll affect his on ice performance. I love Crow, he’s my favorite guy, he’s not the next Hasek… but he is sure as hell slightly above average to legitimately good. The team, full of people who do this as their living in an environment where sucking at your job gets you fired, all think he’s worth that salary, so it’s good by me.

          • Joe Banks

            Hockee is simpul – if you let in goals, it’s the goaleez fault…

          • lizmcneill

            He’s 13th on the NHL.com sv% leaderboard. Backups are subject to SSS and wild fluctuations.

          • Black JEM

            Actually if you go to the capgeek page you would see he is being paid as more than an average goalie. (For next year)

          • Black JEM

            As to Bollig – outside of thanking you for fixing my poor spelling (ouch) – how many games do you have to watch where he cannot keep up with the play of his linemates. Do we need to keep logging how many times Smith needs a teammate to be somewhere in the same zip code, but Bollig isn’t there? That is a regular occurance that anyone on this board is painfully aware of.
            I grant he realizes he can’t do much and refrains from getting ahead of himself, but he doesn’t skate well enough to regularly make his hits valuable, because the puck is already gone.
            I assume he is a good teammate and a good guy who is willing to acknowledge he is not the greatest hockey player in the world. That is to his credit. But tying up a roster spot at 1.25M for his skills when better skills exist in the organization is silly.

          • Bob Lanz

            BJ is right it’s the same arguement I have made as to why I feel like led dyes development is being hampered by three and now back to two line mates revolving constantly and providing no consistency. Smith and Krueger would be even a greater offensive puck possession threat with a third linemate who could skate and play hockey.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            “He isn’t as strong as any of the 4th liners from the 2010 team.”

            Going back to the 2005 lockout (and surely even further), no Hawks 4th line has had a tougher combination of zone starts and quality of competition. And no 4th liner since the lockout has scored more than 7 goals.

            Bollig has 6 goals.

            Just saying…

          • Anthony

            Wait, what about bickells contract, Id rate that as the worst.

        • guest

          Y’all are just spoiled. Ten years ago you’re eating out of a dumpster out back the chuckie cheeses, now you’re flipping the table on a waiter because the filet mignon is overdone and they SALTED the CAVIAR.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I eat frozen pizzas.

          • cliffkoroll

            LOL. LITERALLY!

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Have you ever had salted caviar? It is dumpster garbage. Not that i would know. I tried it once and it wasn’t my cup of tea made from fish eggs.

      • Bob Lanz

        No we haven’t and we want to be like Detroit ( swallow bile funny face) and compete year after year with home grown talent and missing piece free agents. This is garbage plain and simple bollig does not make us better, he doesn’t help us win, he is a place holder who has been allowed to hold that place even longer… Why?

    • nextgame

      It’s not whether he fills his roll well or not. It’s the economics of the deal.

    • lizmcneill

      This is true. However I feel it would look better with a price tag of 850K.

      • I Remember The Roar!

        Overpriced? You bet.

        But let’s be honest, over the past year or so, there has been a trend for resigning players for too much due to the anticipation of a higher cap. The “going rates” for players is going up and we happen to have guys with rings on the team, which seems to deliver a small bump as well.

        Bollig isn’t the best, and I’d like to see more guys from the Rock up here (…paging Mr. Morin…), but Bollig is much improved, and seems to be a hard worker. While he’s tagged as an enforcer on this team and compared to Carcillo and John Scott, he’s better than both – a bit more skilled than Scott and a better head than Carcillo.

        Credit to Bollig for working hard to stay here and not simply be a “3 minutes on the ice + 5 minutes in the box” type player. He’s not an All-Star, but I’ll trust him to continue to work and Bowman to do what he needs to do.

        • krome

          Bollig would have signed – delightedly – at league minimum for however long they’d offer him (or else he’s too delusional to want to keep).
          The Organ-i-zation pised away good money that could have been well spent elsewhere.

      • Joe Banks

        I totally agree today. – there are 3 or 4 contracts on the Hawks roster that will cause head scratching and teeth gnashing…
        But if Stan is as smart as I think he is, they will all look like bargains in a few years. Lets wait and see.

      • Bobby Otter

        It’s three years that kills me, then the money.

        • neo1978

          1.25M for an enforcer that can play on a checking line is a steal.

          And everyone needs to understand the difference between the reality of the NHL and the fantasy world we live in here is around 750K/year.

          When you read these blogs people have complained over the years on the salaries of Bolland, Crawford, Bickell, Frolick, etc. and it is usually around that 750K mark.

          • Black JEM

            What is the league minimum? If he isn’t at that number he is overpaid.

          • neo1978

            A fighter that can play on a checking line is worth more than the league minimum. Do you really want to go back to the John Scott’s of the world?

          • Black JEM

            John Scott wasn’t worth the league minimum.
            Fighters are a relic. He cannot skate.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Burish got $1.875M for 4 years from the Sha-arks. And look what he’s done!

            (Answer: Nothing. Less than nothing)

    • Bob Lanz

      12 up boats that a record! Although the content is a wreck

  • 10thMountainFire

    It’s more than the cap hit. It’s his time on ice… Especially late in games. Someone come punch me in the face, please.

    • Bullitt315

      “Someone come punch me in the face, please.”

      Paging Brandon Bollig

      • 10thMountainFire

        He can’t hurt me any more than he already has.

        • Joe Banks

          You clearly need 1 of 2 things to get through this:
          1) A full bottle in front of me.
          2) A full frontal lobotomy.

    • Accipiter

      You could send a ‘fan request’ to Bollig.

      • 10thMountainFire

        To punch himself.

  • BestPredsForward

    Hossa out 2-3 weeks.

    • lizmcneill

      Welp. FML.

      • BestPredsForward

        Hey, we could actually get to see Morin. Plus, he might have needed the break anyway :)

        • Joe Banks

          Next time, say “rest”, not “break”…

          • BestPredsForward

            Yeah, I immediately saw that and thought, “woops….”

      • Bullitt315

        As long as he’s healthy for the playoffs.

      • 10thMountainFire

        We could always call up Pirri and kill two birds with… Wait.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Best weekend ever.

    • Bobby Otter

      It’s cool, we’ve got Bollig.

      • CitizenKaner

        Is it a coincidence that we extended Bollig right after Hossa’s injury? Probably!

        • BestPredsForward

          According to Lazerus, he was actually signed on Saturday….

    • Waylon

      not good, you could say. Hope it’s more of a precautionary move.

    • Joe Banks

      Damn it! Source?

    • KingTalkyTiki

      20 cc’s of Lasagna stat.

  • BestPredsForward

    Are there any Journalism majors here who can accurately point out why Lazerus has been terrible today?

    • Accipiter

      He has a case of the mondays.

    • Joe Banks

      Because he’s Lazerus?

    • ahnfire

      Laz’s main issue is that he’s basically a hockey tumblr account. Fun at times, but not for real issues.

      Also, he suffers what all MSM people suffer from, and that’s over-appreciating the guy that’s fun to talk to in the room (thus making their job easier) as opposed to looking at the guy objectively as a hockey player.

      • Bullitt315

        So Stan and Q also suffer from this?

        • ahnfire

          I don’t understand why I have to have this vaunted view of Stan and Q and all their decisions.

          They’re not my lords where I have to prostrate myself, chanting over and over, “You know better than me, you know better than me, I defer all my opinions to yours.”

          • DesertHawk

            You don’t have to… but the constant nitpicking of the guys in charge of the only team to repeat in the Salary Cap era… does seem foolish. The evidence is that Stan/Q know what they’re doing. Screaming into the wind against the evidence, is allegedly something only fools do.

          • ahnfire

            Pointing out how much I hate something they do isn’t exactly “screaming into the wind”, in my opinion.

            It only veers into “screaming into the wind” if I keep it up past normal flow of conversation.

          • DesertHawk

            That wasn’t aimed so much directly at you, as just folks in general. I get that some people are unhappy, personally it’s a non-factor for me, but folks are acting like this is gonna cause the team to plummet into the abyss trailing shit and fire… and based off the evidence, I don’t think that’s going to be the case.

          • ahnfire

            Personally, I think it’s premature to counsel anyone to have a long-term view within the first day or so of any hockey news. People generally need a day or so to rant their first reactions about whatever news came out just to get what they want to say out there.

          • Z-man19

            good to see you back Ahn

          • ahnfire

            I suppose you can thank my job, which is having me work 7days a week at the moment, so I’m reduced to trying to find sanity on the internet.

            I’m so doomed.

          • Z-man19

            you’ve come to the wrong place, sanity has long since left here.

          • DesertHawk

            That’s legit. The team is just SOOOO much better than it was, that I just really can’t sweat the small stuff. I’ve been irreparably scarred by becoming a fan during the dark ages.

          • ahnfire

            the main problem with becoming a fan during the dark ages is that when things are (relatively) bad for the newer kids, the urge to BLou everything becomes stronger.

            fight it! fight the terrible urge!

          • DesertHawk

            BLou? Me… hell no. Relatively bad ain’t shit compared to what actually bad Hawks hockey was like. I’ve been in Hawkey Hog Heaven for like 6 years now.

      • BestPredsForward

        Thank you!

  • lizmcneill

    Re: Dale Tallon acquiring so many Hawks prospects, considering his pro scouting staff is essentially one guy & Dale, sticks to what he knows— ChrisBlock (@ChrisBlock) March 3, 2014

    lol Block.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Suddenly that 2C slot is a bit haunting.

    • MattC86

      It wasn’t before?

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    Haven’t heard anyone talk about comparables with this contract. Looks far more reasonable in that light:

    http://www.capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=1674&year_id=2014

    I’m never going to argue excitedly for Bollig, but he’s our only fighter and you need a fighter (and I’m agasint fighting). He’s also not as awful as people make him out to be on this blog, imo. He’s a 4th liner! Last year’s Boston team was the only team in the league with a 4th line that wasn’t going to make mistakes. 4th line players make mistakes. ALL of them. Our fourth line has played incredibly this year. There’s an argument to be made that their usage has been questionable, but they’ve played amazing.

    For me this is about 125K too much. And that’s the price you pay to keep your UFAs.

    • Paul the Fossil

      That seems fair. And yea there are several players there who are clearly less effective on the ice than Bollig, never mind the good-teammate aspect.

    • Black JEM

      It’s about $500K too much. If he walks you lose nothing.

      • DesertHawk

        Other than a known entity who plays/knows the system, fits a coach’s weird foibles, and gets along with everyone in the room… sure nothing.

        • Bobby Otter

          So explain to me why Bollig is worth more than Eager?

          • amontesawesome

            I posted a whole bunch of stats below.

          • DesertHawk

            He eats less paste and therefor costs the team less on their annual paste budget? Eager was also WAY more boneheaded.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        If he walks you lose Bollig. I’m not arguing that he’s the team’s saviour … but if he walks then you need to find a fighter, you need to find someone who can play Q’s game, you need to find someone who Q cna rely on.

        750K in this league is what fighters who skate 3-4 minutes make, and who are good for only fighting (Westgarth, etc.).

        • ChicagoNativeSon

          And you KNOW that Stan would go out and find another enforcer. Maybe the Hawks end up with another Carcillo or Scott?

          Better the devil you know… especially when he’s producing.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Zactly. I don’t understand the fuss, truth be told.

          • neo1978

            That is it right there. Some of you think that Enforcers are obsolete. Well, I’m happy for ya. The Hawks don’t agree and arguing the point is a complete waste of time.

            I mean you can be Don Quixote fighting windmills all you want. To me life is much easier if you just accept the fact that a Bollig type will exist on the Hawks in the foreseeable future. And once you do accept that, then 1.25M for Bollig is a pretty good deal.

    • Bobby Otter

      But three years? The roster spot alone is worth more than whatever they gave Bollig.

      This is like paying too much for a reliever in baseball. There are a lot of guys that can do what Bollig does and for less money (and a shorter contract). This is now, say, $500k less that the Hawks can use to bring in another player/resign Toews/Kane/Kruger/Saad/Leddy.

      I get and agree that Bollig has improved; but this is pretty much his ceiling. The cost control of Bollig of the next three years isn’t worth this much imo.

      • I Remember The Roar!

        Let’s also place some value on keeping a consistent team. Bollig appears to be good in the locker room, and a decent presence on the team. I think most people’s issues with Bollig are with his role more than Bollig himself. If we accept that someone must be here with an “enforcer’s skillset,” I’m happy with Bollig being that guy. He does a little bit more than fight and, most importantly to me, is someone who has a very level head… this I value!

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        If this was going to have the slightest–I mean the slightest, smallest, most minuscule–chance of hindering the re-signing of any of those five players I’d be on board with you, but give Stan at least that much credit, that he’s used his calculator here!

        I also think 3 years works fine (if the other things work!). But ya, if your impression is that he’s a useless plug and that we need the salary, then 3 years is too much. One year would be too much! I don’t think that, though, I think he contributes well as a 4th liner, and the salary comparables, when I scan them, make sense.

        • DesertHawk

          This is basically where I’m at on it.

      • Paul the Fossil

        _We_ think the current Bollig is pretty much his ceiling, and I tend to agree, but it’s worth remembering that none of us here is actually an experienced NHL coach or GM who gets paid to successfully evaluate things like NHL player ceilings.

        And yes I know that Q and Bowman have made some bad calls in that regard but they’ve also made some correct calls, including some which were not at the time popular around here. Mind you if forced to bet on it I’d myself wager against Bollig getting any better than he is now. But if Stan and/or Q think differently, their opinion would certainly deserve more weight than mine or that of anyone else around here.

  • MattC86

    Corey Crawford’s white pads were stolen from Soldier Field. The indignities never end for Crow.

    I love how hyperventilating we all are about Bollig right now. Not to say I like the deal, but . . . man.

    • Accipiter

      Calmer than you are, calmer than you are.

      • DesertHawk

        Is that a quote from a movie or something?

        • Accipiter

          Yes.

          • DesertHawk

            Elaboration?

          • Accipiter
          • MattC86

            Not the most famous line from the movie, but still. Gotta know a Big Lebowski reference when you see one!

          • DesertHawk

            Never seen it.

          • Z-man19

            oh boy, just go buy it and get it over with. They won’t let it go. It’s actually pretty funny too

          • MattC86

            If the definition of a cult classic is “they won’t let it go,” then Big Lebowski is pretty much the biggest cult classic of all time.

          • Bullitt315

            I’ll say it. The Big Lebowski sucked.

          • Z-man19

            this thread doesn’t have enough issues?

          • Joe Banks

            Oh boy…

          • MattC86

            The joy of the internet age. I’m confused. Is it cool to like the Big Lebowski? Or is it cool to hate it because too many people like the thing that originally it was cool/select to like?

          • Joe Banks

            Dude… it’s always cool to like the Big Lebowski.

            You just have to understand that some people don’t get it.

          • MattC86

            We’re discussing a Bollig extension. This is serious therapy.

            A lot of major issues were going to come to the fore.

          • DesertHawk

            pot stirred.

          • Accipiter

            That’s fair.

          • Preacher

            I haven’t seen it either. I feel ashamed. Like admitting I’ve never read the Hobbit. And don’t know how to drive a stick shift. Or how babies are made.

          • Accipiter

            You had better sit down with the missus. 6 kids, IIRC ? She has a lot of ‘splaining to do.

          • Z-man19

            those damn Schwanns guys

          • Preacher

            Not at all! They all look like me, I just don’t know how they got here. I thought it was dietary thing. Dad never gave me “the talk.” I asked a few girls growing up but all I got was slapped.

          • Z-man19

            you live in a farm area right? watch some sheep

          • Preacher

            Sheep? So if I eat lots of grass I get kids? See, I told you it was dietary.

      • MattC86

        Seriously. We’re paying a few hundred thousand too much for a guy who was never going to get punted as everybody was hoping. It’s like Sharp as 2C – time to move on, it’s over.

        My bigger beef will be if they shove Shaw over to wing to get both Zus and Regin into the lineup with Hossa out. Now is exactly the time to get Morin back up and on the third line.

        • zacked

          It ain’t the dollars, it’s the years.

          • MattC86

            Why? It just confirms something that everybody knew but didn’t want to admit. He’s not going anywhere. He’s now played almost two full seasons of NHL hockey and he’s an “able” 4th liner, no matter what we or anyone else may say. They weren’t going to trade him or let him walk as a UFA unless somebody offered him nutso money, which probably wasn’t going to happen.

            Yeah, I was hoping against hope he’d be launched too, but it wasn’t going to happen. We move on.

          • Bullitt315

            The pr writing was on the wall he was getting resigned

          • MattC86

            Sadly, yes.

          • ahnfire

            yes, but I think people were hoping that it was either going to be little$ for longer yrs or vice versa.

            It’s the same thing as Bicks contract, only this is for a fourth liner with varying opinions on Bollig’s potential ceiling.

          • TheFullAmonte

            Do people think he has a higher ceiling than where he is currently at? Not trying to be a jerk towards anyone who thinks he does but if so what is his higher ceiling? I could use a bit of optimism after this “rough” (for a defending SC champion with a chance to repeat) last 24 hours

          • lizmcneill

            He’s 27. I’d go with “no”.

          • ahnfire

            I think the main issue is people’s opinions on what his ceiling is now. Personally, I think he’s a fourth liner at best, but others have argued that his stats make him comparable to Brouwer, etc. which to me implies that their ceiling is that he can be a power forward on the top lines.

          • TheFullAmonte

            Gotcha. I guess I just see him as a mediocre 4th liner who is easily replaceable. Bowman could be under some pressure this offseason with the cap next year and especially if the Hawks struggle in the playoffs after the moves he has made.

          • lizmcneill

            Comparable to Brouwer at what age?

          • Joe Banks

            Damn Nihilists…

        • Waylon

          get Morin back? It is to laugh.

          • lizmcneill

            Morin will be traded to Winnipeg shortly.

      • MattC86

        It’s funny, him having his stuff stolen just fits with Crow. Always comes across as an earnest, nice guy, not exactly the prankster type. Taken more criticism from media and fans than anybody, will never get the benefit of the doubt, just shrugs it off and plays. Of course he’s the one to have his stuff stolen.

    • Joe Banks

      Is Corey like Elvis or something? Why are people stealing his shit?

      • MattC86

        It’s funny, it just fits with Crow. Always comes across as an earnest, nice guy, not exactly the prankster type. Taken more criticism from media and fans than anybody, will never get the benefit of the doubt, just shrugs it off and plays. Of course he’s the one to have his stuff stolen.

  • Paul the Fossil

    Hey let’s talk about something else. Like the fact that Donk got hurt yesterday while the Canucks were losing again, and the Vancouver discussion of whether it’s time to back up the truck. Can we resume dreaming of Kesler perhaps?

    http://www.theprovince.com/sports/hockey/canucks-hockey/Tony+Gallagher+time+Mike+Gillis+playoff+dream/9569915/story.html

    • MattC86

      For Bollig, Clendening, and a 2nd? Sure!

    • Joe Banks

      We should trade Stanbow for Gillis…

    • lizmcneill

      with what cap space?

      • guest

        Dat patrik kane guy doesn’t play wit da will ta win, get ridda him for dat real ‘merican kessler.

      • Paul the Fossil

        Shush now, we’re dreaming.

    • Waylon

      The funniest thing about the Canuck’s current situation is that they’re stuck with the mutants forever. That contract was ridiculous when they inked it, looks positively insane now, and that’s with less than a year’s perspective. Yet to hear the fans talk, you’d think it was all the GM’s fault – well, not exactly. That’s akin to blaming Pully for the mess here back in the day.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Save us, Saad.

    • Joe Banks

      THIS.

  • guest

    Dynamics of groups/hiveminds are always really interesting to me. Today is a prime example: Over here, even suggesting that Stan hasn’t traded his brain for a late-model Ford Pinto and picks is enough to start a shouting match. Meanwhile over on the facebook page, it’s all meatheads declaring that the hawks have finally figured out that paying face-punchers is the only way to win. MEEanwhile on reddit, the top post regarding this is a link to bollig’s “cue the haters” tweet and a bunch of posts saying “aw, he deserves this, he tries hard.” People saying “he doesn’t deserve this because other guys doing exactly what he does make half as much” are downvoted into oblivion.

    My personal favorite moment is, in a reply to one such post, a user received great approbation for saying “Exactly. After reading all these comments about the Pirri trade I’m beginning to think those who are miffed he was traded are from the bandwagon contingent…”

    Humans, you crazy.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Why are you searching for ‘Bollig’ on Reddit?

      • guest

        Wanted to see if our hivemind was in line with the larger hawks hivemind. Turns out we really are smarter than everyone else, who all are clearly bandwagon fans.

        • MattC86

          Searching for Bollig on Reddit –

          That’s a paddlin’

        • guest

          Honestly I’ve never gotten “bandwagoner” as an insult. Most internet shouting boils down to “STOP LIKING WHAT I DON’T LIKE,” but bandwagoner is really “YOU ARE LIKING WHAT I LIKE BUT YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG STOP IT.” It’s bizarre.

          Not to mention, if somebody cares enough to continue to read a website rife with vulgarity and impenetrable 80s punk rock references, you’d think they care about the team at least a little bit. If someone knows who pirri is, I’d probably say they’ve gotten an instrument and joined in with the band.

          Doubly not to mention that many of dose guysss calling to trade dat kane guy have been watching the hawks roughly since the construction of the pyramids, and that has made them no less stupid.

          • MattC86

            I’m laughing about all this, for the record. No justifications needed.

            But yes, the disparity between what’s going on here and the Blackhawks FB comments through the Twitter feed is pretty funny.

          • Bob Lanz

            Matt!

          • lizmcneill

            Dat Kane guy don’t hit people, my frent. He’s soft and no good.

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          the hawks subreddit is a cesspool. stick to r/hockey

    • cliffkoroll

      Yes, when dealing with a hive-mind, the correct procedure is to seek out a stupider hive-mind.

  • OMFS88

    I blame McClure

    • MattC86

      Bollig earned it with his dumb “cue the haters” tweet, but I was sort of chuckling imagining McClure ranting about how useless Bollig is and then Bollig giving him a right cross to the face.

      Again, I can’t explain why, but I’m pretty calm about this. I guess I just figured it was bound to happen, as much as I wish it didn’t.

      • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure

        See, it’s funny because I’m a mewling internet cretin who would be very susceptible to being punched. Because getting punched trumps all things.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I’ve already requested a facepunch. Get back in line.

        • MattC86

          How did I know you were going to take it that way? For fuck’s sake – lighten up, Francis.

          I said Bollig put a ridiculous tweet out there. And of all people, I’m not going to be a “might makes right” kind of guy.

          I laughed (gee, I must be immature and beneath you for finding physical comedy humorous) about the the disparity between the amount of time we all spend griping about the guy – and, in particular, what I’m assuming are your shots at him on Twitter – and the degree to which a face-puncher could indeed punch us all in the face.

          Sorry. Carry on being aggrieved and superior to all of us peons.

          • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure

            Oh, I will. Not that I need permission from you or anyone else.

          • MattC86

            Obviously you don’t.

            Because most people who provide a service don’t go out of their way to bite the hand that feeds them – or, if TCI proceeds go entirely to Fels, that feeds his friends and compatriots.

            But yeah, keep calling your readers idiots and assholes.

          • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure

            I will, because they are. Especially you. And Cliff. And Laaarmer.

          • MattC86

            Interesting comparison. You’ve never actually challenged anything I’ve ever said about hockey. Just gotten sensitive and lashed out when I’ve called you obnoxious. I’ll continue to enjoy the dynamic.

          • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure

            You keep readin’ ‘em, I’ll keep writin’ ‘em!

          • MattC86

            Always been happy to engage you on actual hockey conversation, but we all know you’re not here to discuss. I hope you get the validation you need from it all.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That’s an abundance of apostrophes.

          • Accipiter

            The abject stupidity is palpable.

          • MattC86

            From me?

          • Accipiter

            No, not anyone in particular.

          • Z-man19

            that was directed at me, I KNOW IT

          • Accipiter

            You and not Chico, but mostly you.

          • Z-man19

            I’ll let Chico take all the credit

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Ha! I win!

          • 10thMountainFire

            I am the downboat king. I can do anything.

          • 10thMountainFire

            More morphine.

          • MattC86

            Seriously

          • Country_Bumpkin

            It’s about the pageviews!

          • MattC86

            I’m glad Oscar Wilde is running the site’s marketing efforts.

  • Country_Bumpkin

    Hossa out 2-3 weeks per Coach Q

    • 10thMountainFire

      This is the worst weekend I’ve ever had. Even more than that time I ran over my own foot with a lawnmower.

      • I Remember The Roar!

        Give the man some rest and he’ll be fresh and hungry when we really need him.

        • MattC86

          XMF’s foot?

          Ok, I guess. . . .

        • 10thMountainFire

          Dude I’m out 2-3 weeks as well. You’re going to have to look at ways to get Kesler.

          • MattC86

            XMF minus a foot plus Kesler minus a hand equals. . . .

          • 10thMountainFire

            Bollig?

          • MattC86

            GIVE THAT MAN HIS MILLIONS! HE’S EARNED THEM BY BEING GRITTY AND HAVING NO ABILITY!

            Wait a minute, why can’t I get paid millions then?!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Hitz

      • DesertHawk

        You ran your own foot over with a lawnmower? I can’t even figure out the logistics on that one… was your foot fixable?

        • 10thMountainFire

          I was speaking euphemistically… But I guess I’ll go with ‘yes’.

          • DesertHawk

            Oh… I thought you were for serious. :/

          • 10thMountainFire

            Sorry about your foot, dude.

            /Luongo’d

    • MattC86

      Disheartening that the discussion about bringing somebody up seems to revolve around Bouchard (or more playing time for Zus/Regin) than Morin, who’s been lighting it up at a torrential pace.

      Also, I seem to recall early in the season Block and others saying Leblanc was doing better than Pirri, Nordstrom, and others anyway, whatever happened to that?

      • DesertHawk

        Hasn’t Morin been a bit fighty in the A, maybe the team wants him to chill out?

        • MattC86

          He’s always had a short fuse that I can recall, or a reputation for it, anyway.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Bollig is allowed to fight.

          /Shaw’d

          • DesertHawk

            Different roles/Morin has actually injured himself fighting. :shrug: I’m just theorizing here.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Allowed to, but doesn’t. I’m sort of a fence straddler on the issue of fighting (I love legitimate ones that come out of the passion of the game, but think the Westgarths and Scotts of the world should be banished)… but Bollig really isn’t even filling the face-puncher role. He’s gotten into a few this year, but all have been extremely underwhelming and not likely to elicit any fear on the parts of our opponents.

          • red palace

            He did go right after Torres.

      • VanDorp’sMullet

        Wait… really? Calling up Bouchard over Morin would have me more up in arms than either the Pirri trade (I get it) or the Bollig extension (I get keeping him, but don’t like the terms… esp. the length). I can’t understand why a player’s upside is totally ignored a lot of the time. Morin has some. Bouchard’s upside is him not being on the ice.

        • MattC86

          I agree, but the Lazerus (and other beats’) articles about the Hossa injury quote Q as talking about “maybe” calling up somebody, and I think mentioning PMB by name (no mention of Morin).

          It could be the writers, not Q, who mention PMB by name – don’t have the article in front of me. Still, though.

  • Accipiter

    The good news ?

    Laaarmer gets to keep his avatar !!!

    • Z-man19

      only a few knew that was Bollig’s body

  • VanDorp’sMullet

    LOUD NOISES!!!!

    • 10thMountainFire

      I stabbed a man in the heart with a trident.

      • VanDorp’sMullet

        I know you did. XMF, I think you should lay low for a little while…

        • 10thMountainFire

          I’m trying. They won’t discharge me yet. I’m about to abscond.

          • Bob Lanz

            Up date on your gonoreah outbreak

          • 10thMountainFire

            Lost about 10 lbs… Lots of morphine. Should be released today for recovery.

          • Bob Lanz

            Check your damn email too! Glad your recovering but man that was amazing you could be on here while enduring that… That’s dedication!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Drugged up and in severe pain I still need my fix of hockey.

  • BestPredsForward

    Is this guy for real, and if he is, can he be our new favorite person?

    https://twitter.com/WCBlackhawks

    • 10thMountainFire

      Yeah. Speaking of meatballs.

    • jordyhawk

      He has 7 followers already. Where’s the respect?

      • BestPredsForward

        He’s like a real life GasmoneyBob

  • raditzzzz

    i think there should be some kind of contest here at CI, and the prize is an authentic Bollig jersey.

    • 10thMountainFire

      For me to poop on.

      • Joe Banks

        Triumph!

        • 10thMountainFire

          Break me outta here, Joe.

    • Accipiter

      Stadium Series ?

  • CozBullsFan

    Yeah, the day is fucked up. That’s all I’m going to say. Good time to escape for the day.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Take me with you, Coz. I could use a handful of Cuba Libres.

    • BestPredsForward

      But the sports are supposed to be the escape! :(

      • Accipiter

        You did escape. Only to be called an idiot and/or an asshole on the internet.

        • Z-man19

          I thought I was just abjectly stupid?

    • 10thMountainFire

      Help me, Coz. Plus Bollig and minus Hossa hurts me.

  • birdhead

    guys I just woke up and Hossa’s out for three weeks and this deal and I’m gonna cry probably

    • lizmcneill

      Also Crow’s Stadium Series pads are now missing too.

      • Z-man19

        we are really dealing with a lot of shit here

        • jordyhawk

          Embrace it.

        • Bob Lanz

          Candlesticks always make a nice wedding gift.

      • Accipiter

        I’d search Khabibulin. He is prolly collecting things to sell.

        • lizmcneill

          I blame Pronger.

          • YoAdrienne

            Nah. It has “Patrick Sharp” written all over it…

    • 10thMountainFire

      You can sit with me.

  • BestPredsForward

    It’s one thing for Bollig to takeaway Jeremy Morin’s spot on the 2014 Blackhawks. But will he really be better than Teuvo, McNeill, and Danault and all the rest of them in 2015, 2016, 2017?

    • lizmcneill

      Fuck it, trade everyone.

      Seriously though. We all know where Teuvo’s potential spot is. The odds all of Bicks, Shaw, Steeg, Smith, Kruger and Bollig all being on the roster through 2017 are pretty slim.

    • Z-man19

      let’s not forget that Zus and Regin are probably both gone after this year

    • neo1978

      Bollig isn’t in the way of Teovo or Danault who are centers. McNeil is most likely the only one with Bollig ahead of him on the depth chart. And if Bollig at 1.25M is any kind of hindrance to McNeil then McNeil isn’t as good as he appears to be.

  • Preacher

    Oh I get it now! The Blues have Backes AND just got Ott so we need to answer with our own GRIT! Makes perfect sense now. Hits! Yes! The Cup is ours for sure now!

    • lizmcneill

      He’s even a St Louis native! Perfect!

      (and still has more cups than the entire Blues organization)

  • Lobster

    I never got this obsession for Morin and Pirri. They were both given shots with the big club, and they were both not very good. I’ve never seen a strictly offensive player with poor defense look more invisible on the offensive side of the puck than Brandon Pirri. Can’t trust Morin in defensive situations or to not turn the puck over, either.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Morin wasn’t given a ‘shot’, sorry.

    • zacked

      I think most people would argue that 300 – 400 minutes does not constitute “a shot”. That’s a cup of coffee.

      • Lobster

        His cup of coffee was pretty unimpressive. Not that I am a Bollig fan or anything, but it’s not like Morin has been so great that there is just no fathomable reason he isn’t playing 2nd or 3rd line with the big club.

        • zacked

          I’m not arguing that he should be, I’m just saying let’s not act like the book on Morin is already written.

          • Lobster

            I for sure don’t think that. I’m hoping they resign him and he gets a shot at the team next year.

        • Commit88

          I agree that morin wouldn’t play on the 2nd or 3rd line on this team. You have to be a Brandon Saad or a Teuvo Teravainen (hopefully) to play in the top 6 for the Hawks. The 3rd line consists of Saad or Versteeg and Bickell along with Shaw. I don’t think Pirri or Morin really would fit anywhere on the team, although Morin might be able to play on a “normal” 4th bum slaying line.

          Would Pirri or Morin ever work their way up to top 6 on the Hawks? No way unless Horsa or Kaner or Saader got hurt long term maybe?

          • VerStig

            I don’t know, my impression of Morin is that he could potentially work as a 3rd liner — he seems better cut for that type of role than Pirri ever was (who really would’ve been a waste/bad fit on the 4th or just “a guy” slotting in at 2C).

          • neo1978

            yes, I think the Hawks still envision Morin as a potential bottom six player for their team. Something Pirri had no shot at being.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Morin was also skating rather well, sat in favor of Brookbank at wing on occasion, and bounced between third and fourth and the press box.

        • Lobster

          He was skating well, and passing the puck to the other team well too. Maybe he should have gotten a little more chance to adjust, but I don’t see how anyone can think it’s a given that he should be on the team.

          • 10thMountainFire

            False. Morin was playing rather well on the third line in particular and in his last game was arguably among the best players on the ice.

          • Lobster

            In no world has Morin ever been the best player in an NHL game. Ever.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Nice try at putting words in my mouth.

          • Lobster

            He has sucked when he’s been up. I really don’t see how anyone can think he’s been impressive in any respect.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            IIRC, Morin was among Hawks leaders in CORSI during his (brief) time with the Hawks (or maybe I’m mis-remembering? Can anyone confirm or refute this?). Small sample size caveats apply, naturally, but then again you could say that about any observation about Morin. I’m not obsessed with him, but don’t think he’s been given the chance that others have been afforded. Hopefully, now they give it to him.

          • red palace

            You are not misremembering: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&f1=2013_s&f2=5v5&f4=C+LW+RW&f5=CHI&f7=10-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67
            My own sense, based on nothing in particular, is that while Q and Stan had seen enough of Pirri to be comfortable trading him, they still see Morin as a work in progress. I was never on the Pirri train (my own issue with his play was that he often looked unsteady on his skates, and it could take him forever to get started from a standstill, sorta like Fred Flintstone starting the car), but I would like to see Morin given more time to see if he can find a role.

          • TheFullAmonte

            Sucked based on what? He drew penalties, had good possession numbers, was a plus player, and he even can play physical. He would be a great 3rd or 4th liner on the Hawks. He was somewhat sheltered but it is hard to score like crazy, if that’s what you’re looking for, in not even 8 minutes of ice time.

    • Jalamanta

      “They were both given shots with the big club, and they were both not very good.”

      This is simply incorrect.

    • VerStig

      I do agree that I never saw these guys as living up to their expectations, but I’d also say Pirri ought to have been worth more than what we got. I suppose that should be a reflection of what other GMs thought of him too, though — you’d think one of the other 28 teams would’ve offered more if they thought more.

      • lizmcneill

        It’s at least as good as the return for Fro.

      • neo1978

        What the Hawks got for a previous second round draft pick that is 22 years old with 35 games of NHL experience was insanely good. And it the guy that drafted Pirri wasn’t running another franchise, I don’t think the Hawks would have gotten anything close to that.

        • lizmcneill

          Pirri was drafted at 59. The Panther’s 3rd rounder is currently 63, plus there’s the fifth.

  • Accipiter
    • zacked

      I like Bourne, but that article is rambling nonsense.

      • Accipiter

        I figured I’d at it to the list here.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Wow. Top form on a Monday. Zing.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Okay, I get it, up to a point. I was looking forward to the end of this season when we could say goodbye to B52, while simultaneously dreading what might take his place.

    To be clear, this is not the news I wanted to hear, nor is it the news I expected to read below the Sturm and Drang headline. I get the dislike for Bollig. I don’t get the melodrama. IMHO this belongs in Morning Links, and does not deserve it’s own thread, but with 371 comments and building, I may be in the minority.

    • 10thMountainFire

      We lost God for a few weeks. I admit I got somewhat emotional.

      • VerStig

        Me too, but I agree with the thought that it may be a blessing in disguise. He seems to become all-powerful if he sits for a bit before the playoffs.

        • 10thMountainFire

          LTIR for cap room and such as well? Huh. Almost makes me feel better.

          • Z-man19

            not so sure they can put him on LTIR, if they do, he may have to sit the rest of the regular season

          • 10thMountainFire

            I lay corrected.

      • Accipiter

        God called in sick today.

    • VerStig

      Could just be inflation anyway — with the cap going up. I’m fine.

      • lizmcneill

        I wish inflation would treble my entry-level salary already.

  • BestPredsForward
    • 10thMountainFire

      I am an admitted Pekka Rinne fan. But he scares me v the Hawks.

      • DesertHawk

        I too like a good cheese, but I’m not seeing why you’d be worried about that vs. the Hawks.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I love you in spite of your second team affiliation. I’d move to AZ if I was offered a job worth the move. Love me the desert.

          • DesertHawk

            I really really hate the heat. But other than that AZ is pretty cool. No idea where I’ll be in the next 5 though depends on where the wife gets into Law School.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Waiting on word of admissionnto post grad as well. But I’d love AZ.

          • DesertHawk

            I’m a huge fan of Northern Arizona, is muy pretty, but down around Tucson, it’s mostly non-descript brown and gray. Northern AZ is also nowhere near as ball-meltingly sweltering.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I love it all. Love Tuscon. The brown desert and mountains were awesome.

          • DesertHawk

            Also… not so much grass so you’d be safe from lawnmowers. ;)

          • 10thMountainFire

            Let me know if any jobs pop up that don’t involve lawn mowing.

          • DesertHawk

            More seriously, what’re you looking to do?

          • 10thMountainFire

            In AZ, a job at a post would be great. Also anything related to my former field. Instructor, etc. Government work is attractive as well.

          • DesertHawk

            Hmm… We got bunches of those. Huachuca is close to Tucson if it has to be Army, then there’s DM actually in Tucson if you’d be fine working with a bunch of zoomies… DM has a very large intel component (southcom though, so not your AoR). I’m not sure how getting a contracting gig works, do you just need to contact the contracting unit/squadron on the base to see what’s available? If so I could get you the numbers for the folks on DM.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Absolutely on both. I was one of the few I guess that fell in love with Huachuca. But anything in that field is perfect.

          • DesertHawk

            I’ll see what I can scrounge up. We also have a pretty strong Border Patrol contingent here, if that’s a thing you’d be into (I know they have a lot of vets).

          • 10thMountainFire

            Absolutely positively yes on that. I would love to get contact info for what is there in that field.

          • DesertHawk

            I know BP has a physical, which is about in line with what the AF test was, I’m assuming you aren’t super brokified and can pass that (it’s part of why I didn’t look into that avenue).

          • 10thMountainFire

            Not broke. Very good shape, today notwithstanding…

          • DesertHawk

            Cool I’ll hunt around then. One of my old supervisors has to be in the know, I know a few of them still live in the area.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I sincerely appreciate any help you can provide! Thanks for the effort!

          • FalseDetective

            Well, if judging by your name you were at Drum/Polk, I’m sure every other post would be Heaven.

          • Joe Banks

            ball-meltingly sweltering…

            I’m gonna steal that from you, – that’s hilarious.

          • DesertHawk

            I’m a preferred temperature of around 50F and have been known to walk around Michigan Ave in winter with nothing more warming than jeans and a Hawks jersey on… so 110+ on the regular in the summer with about 40 as the coldest you ever get in the winter… just kills me.

      • Joe Banks

        FUCK HIM

        • 10thMountainFire

          /Hossa’d

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    Not sure if this is a rehash (McClure seems to have distracted things) the more I think about it, did STL really improve themselves that much? Is Miller that much better than Halak was playing? Is Ott going to mean much to them? Did they just make themselves scarier, or did they actually make themselves better?

    • Bullitt315

      I’d say they made themselves better.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        I agree they are better, but is it by a significant amount? That is my question (not that STL really needed much to improve on anyways).

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        I’m not sure they really did. Based on both their career numbers and their current season numbers Miller doesn’t seem like more than a marginal upgrade over Halak, and Ott doesn’t exactly bring a whole lot more to the table than Chris Stewart did. Add in that they gave up a top flight prospect plus 2 draft picks, at least one of which is a 1st rounder possibly both, and it sure seems like the Blues are mortgaging their future for a minuscule amount of improvement (if any at all)

        • birdhead

          I sneakily agree with you, but it depends if Miller is better behind that Blues defense which he might be.

          • lizmcneill

            I looked at their #s on hockey analysis for the 09-12 seasons (back when Buffalo was less bad and River Scum less good), and Halak is slightly better at evens.

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          This is my hope, too. I don’t see a huge improvement between Halak/Stewart and Miller/Ott… only the names are bigger.

    • ballyb11

      A lot more hits.

  • Hags

    Here’s hoping Stan resigned Bollig because he needed some semblance of a physical presence once he deals Bickell, a couple of the kids and a couple picks to Vancouver for Ryan Kesler.

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      Interesting thought. Interesting as in “I REALLY want that to happen but am not nearly high enough to think it stands a chance”

      • 10thMountainFire

        I’m drugged up pretty good. Can I love it more than you?

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          You do what you gotta do XMF, I ain’t gonna stop you especially if you’re drugged up

          • 10thMountainFire

            Sweet. Kesler is now a Hawk.

    • lizmcneill

      Cap space. Kesler makes 1M more than Bicks. Even if “one of the kids” is a roster player it’s still not enough.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        The ‘Hawks have almost $1M in cap space available according to Capgeek thanks to LTIR exemptions, and there are creative ways to create the rest of the room that would be needed. Perhaps you waive Brookbank and call up Clendening or Theo Peckham to be the 7th defenseman. Perhaps Stan is able to include P.M. Bouchard by sweetening the pot with an extra draft pick or prospect.

        The point is that it’s definitely doable. Likely? No, not at all. But if Stan were able to sell Gillis on a package centered around Bickell, completely doable within the constraints of the cap

        • lizmcneill

          We need Brookbank so we can dress him as a winger while Hossa is out.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Oh god help me.

        • jordyhawk

          Why would Gillis want Bickell? He already has Kassian for that role (and a lot of his rep staked on Kassian’s development). Not ragging on you, but I think that’s the reality from the other side of the fence.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Didn’t say he would. I specifically said it’s not likely. It’s not as kooky as some of the other ridiculous trade proposals that are out there from other fanbases that are massively overrating their own players, but that’s not really saying much. I was merely pointing out that, in the incredibly unlikely circumstance of Gillis accepting a trade package centered around Bickell, Stan has options available to make the #’s work out. That doesn’t mean it’s going to happen, or that it has even a snowball’s chance in hell of happening, it just means that it’s not entirely impossible.

          • jordyhawk

            Question was rhetorical–i.e. why would Gillis want Bickell, not why do you think Gillis would want Bickell.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Gotcha. Well I’m gonna go ahead and answer your rhetorical question: who knows, perhaps he’s not all that smart?

        • Lobster

          I think at this point Dahlbeck might be ahead of Peckham in the pecking order. I don’t watch that much hogs hockey though, so I could be way off.

          • lizmcneill

            Peckham was getting benched for the Hogs iirc, so yeah.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Yeah I have no idea. I was just looking at the capgeek page and throwing out names of guys who’s salary + whatever would remain on the books of Brookbank’s salary were he waived and sent down (i.e. his cap hit minus $900K) would be low enough to open up enough cap room for Kesler were Bickell the main fixture going the other way. Was not based on actual NHL ability.

      • jordyhawk

        And no one else with a big contract will be offered so Bickell HAS to be part of any deal (translation: not gonna happen).

    • ballyb11

      A few more scrubs oughta do it.

  • ChicagoNativeSon

    Wow, this place exploded. Well, hope this doesn’t get completely lost…

    I laughed my ass off at the Blues-Slugs trade this weekend. The media is praising this as an “overwhelming victory for St. Louis.” IMO the Blues got bent over.

    I view Halak (age 28) as one of the most talented goalies in the league, especially when he’s on his game. I believe Miller (age 33) is also a great talent and a workhorse, but statistically no better than Halak – although he is 5 years older.

    Steve Ott hasn’t done shit for 2-3 years now. Stewart is actually a better scorer than Ott – and STL needs scoring.

    So basically they traded similar goalies, similar piles of manure (although BUF received an extra 25 lbs of it) – BUT… STL threw in a prospect, their 2015 1st round draft pick, and potentially also their 2014 1st round pick if Miller signs (or they make the WCF).

    So I wanted to take a closer look at Miller and Salak to see if my viewpoint had any statistical ground to stand on. And since I was at it, I threw in Crow’s stats to see “how bad” he is in comparison to these two elite goaltenders. I even broke the data into multiple sample sizes to convince the unbelievers of his Crawfulness.

    In conclusion, although I believe both contracts are slightly rich, I’ll take Bollig for 3 years and Crow for 5 more over Stan making a lateral move which sells out the future like the Blues just did.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      Too bad the Hawks will not let STL turn that 2014 pick into a 1st Rounder. Se to do it by signing him instead. I agree, River Scum are all in for THIS year, and do not seem to care about the future ramifications.

    • DesertHawk

      You have comparative Crow stats somewhere? May I see them?

      • Accipiter

        Refresh.

        • DesertHawk

          DAMN YOU DISQUS!!!!! Thanks.

    • lizmcneill

      Can we keep this to reply to every “glove hand” comment?

    • TheFullAmonte

      Very interesting. But wouldn’t you expect Miller’s numbers to improve slightly playing behind a better Blues defense? Also I agree if they don’t win this year they are screwed.

      • MattC86

        A lot of evidence suggests goalies’ SP doesn’t really change from team to team, as opposed to their GAA. As far as career numbers, Miller balances the bad Buffalo teams with some quite good ones from earlier in his career (his prime).

        From the non-quantitative perspective, being a goalie for a team that plays great defensively and only gives up 20-25 shots isn’t very easy – and it’s wildly different than being out there for 35+ a night. So while Miller’s GAA will undoubtedly decrease, I wouldn’t be surprised if short-term his SP decreases as well. And again, he’s pretty much a wash in all practical matters for Halak.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      That really does tend to show Crows sophomore year was the exception, not the rule. He compares very well to these guys! I like Crow.

      • DesertHawk

        We have T-shirts in the Treefort.

    • Paul the Fossil

      It looks like one attribute which Miller has over Halak, and to a lesser degree over Crawford, is year-to-year consistency. Miller’s _lowest_ save percentage for any of the last five seasons is .922, I wonder how many other regular goalies haven’t gone below than that for at least one of the last five seasons? I can see how STL could feel like while they have the team to go deep with the 2012 Halak, they can’t afford the risk of the 2013 Halak showing up for the playoffs.

      But with that caveat noted I basically agree with your analysis. They’re welcome to Steve Ott at this point in his career, a $3.2M cap hit for 1/3rd of a point per game and he turns 32 next month. Overall a 28-year-old Halak is arguably worth at least as much as a 33-year-old Miller. And those picks, yikes…the Blues have gone all-in here. If they shit it in the first or second round this spring there will be wailing and lamentations down on the Mississippi.

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        I agree regarding Miller’s consistency, but with a top notch backup like Elliot’s been and the very good year that Halak is having, is his year-over-year consistency necessary when you’re going all-in this year?

        Plus, Halak’s down year (aside from a dip in 2011) was last season when he was injured and barely played.

        We joked about trading Kane for Miller. This was much worse. WTG St Louis!

        Encore! Encore!

        • Paul the Fossil

          Elliott regressed a lot last season though and has been only somewhat better during this one. And really the rational thing is to view his 2011/12 season as the outlier. He’s played at least 25 games in six NHL seasons now and here are those save percentages:
          .902
          .909
          .893
          .940
          .907
          .917

          That’s really just a more-extreme version of Halak’s history.

    • Black JEM

      I would never take Bollig’s deal – it is above league minimum.
      As to Crow – he is getting top 25% money. He isn’t and hasn’t been with the exception of the playoffs. I hope he gets a chance this coming playoffs to make me eat my words.
      The Blues deal is all based on Miller being able to get them over the hump in goal where last years duo couldn’t. I tend to think their problems aren’t necessarily in goal, but a style that hasn’t been successful in the playoffs.
      But I agree, I wouldn’t have mortgaged the future the way the Blues have. The need to win now just increased.

      • DesertHawk

        He’s not getting top 25% money… At least not once the top 25% renew their contracts, and currently he’s not even on his new contract…

      • DesertHawk

        According to this http://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/save_pct_career.html
        His NHL numbers place him at least 19th all time for S%. He’s not on that list for some reason though. (perhaps not enough seasons).

        ETA: My theory was correct they’re only counting Tenders with at least 250 games played, Crow is currently (as of his last full season) only at 150ish. But unless you anticipate that his S% will fall off drastically in the next few seasons, he should be in the top 50 Tenders ALL TIME for Save%.

  • Lobster

    RE: Morin

    I get it when people say he just had a cup of coffee and didn’t really get a true NHL shot. I just don’t get how anyone can like what he brought in his few NHL games this year. That said, not fair to judge him too harshly on those games because he’s bouncing around so much.

  • Lobster

    What do folks on here think of STL now? I say the one area where the Blackhawks had an edge, they no longer have one. That scares me a lot. Plus Ott coming in gives them another option at 3rd line center, and I think Berglund is pretty damn dangerous when he’s on the wing.

    • lizmcneill

      We had an edge in goaltending and gooniness? Not really and no.

      On the other hand I don’t think STL have upgraded as much as it’s made out. Halak is a good goalie too.

      • Lobster

        Just goaltending. The edge in gooniness was given to the Blues long ago.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Goaltending is an unknown. Miller’s career playoff save percentage is .917 with .926 being his best year and .908 his worst.

          • Lobster

            This is true. Those who’ve heard me argue about Crawford’s value before know my stance on the inconsistency of the position. Halak’s crappy Olympics just really made me hope they’d stick with him and he would melt down in the 2nd round.

          • Lobster

            In saying that, Crawford has been quite good in the last 10 games or so.

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      In what area did the Blackhawks have an edge that they no longer do by swapping out Halak and Stewart for Miller and Ott?

      I don’t think anything has changed in STL, the underlying numbers suggest that Miller and Ott provide marginal if any improvement over Halak and Stewart

      • Lobster

        One guy was playing in front of the worst defense in the league, the other was playing in front of the best (or one of the best). Halak isn’t bad, but I trust Miller way more.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Every single objective analysis of the subject has concluded that the team in front has little or no impact whatsoever on Sv%. GAA sure, a better defensive team is going to allow fewer shots, but Sv% is largely unaffected by team defense. Miller and Halak have nearly identical Sv%, both on the season and for their careers, hence the idea that Miller represents marginal-at-most improvement

          • Lobster

            Got a link? More for my own curiosity than anything.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            I was directed to a good post the other day I think by Tyler Dellow (mc79hockey), but I’m having trouble finding it again. I’ll get it eventually and post it

          • Lobster

            No worries either way.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            I’m struggling to find the post I read about it yesterday, but check out this chart I put together in early January. I plotted goalie Sv% against team Corsi % for all goalies who’d had at least 5 appearances this season (data is through 1/5/14), and as you can see there is no statistical correlation between the two (r-squared value of 0.023). While it may be a little more relevant in this instance to look specifically at the change in performance of goalies who have changed teams (which the post I read the other day and now can’t find specifically discusses), this lack of correlation between Sv% and team Corsi % strongly supports the notion that the quality of the team in front of the goalie has little if any impact on his Sv%

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            The problem with his is it lumps all goalies and does not break out teams. All this proves is that a mean will be made with a group of data points, it does not disprove that those off the mean are not caused by the factors you suggest they are not. In short it does not parse out anything. It DOES support your claim, but it also supports the claim of other notions because of the outliers (that those outliers are effected by additional influences). You cannot draw a conclusion from this if this data supports numerous concepts, it is then only supportive data.

          • lizmcneill

            It’s not showing a mean, it’s showing a lack of strong correlation. In a world where team effects are major, I’d expect to see some degree of vertical spread (goalie talent), but an upward slope in the trendline.

            I guess that’s ES sv%? What happens if you plot it against team CA, or add more years?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            Do not say EVERY, because that is not true. This dives into the nether pit of QoS. I say call this a misfire, and not a warning shot! lol

    • Waylon

      I think you can make a reasonable assumption that the one thing River Scum needed was a way to create more offensive opportunities, and the player additions effectively added none of the above. Sure Miller and Ott may give them a slighter better edge in their defense now, but that’s not what they appeared to be lacking this season.

    • birdhead

      You thought Crawford gave the Hawks an edge over Halak?

  • MySpoonIsTooBig

    Here’s the real question to which we need a new answer: now that Miller has been traded to the Blues, what goalie will meatballs be crying for the ‘Hawks to trade Kane for? Remember, he’s lazy and never hits.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Halak? The Miller/Kane thing was based on Kane going back to his hometown.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Yeah but Halak’s gonna get flipped again before meatballs can clamor for him in place of Kane isn’t he? Maybe we’re supposed to be pining for Enroth now?

  • JunctionCity

    Just saw this write-up on how the Chicken Wings are screwing over their city.

    http://deadspin.com/detroit-scam-city-how-the-red-wings-took-hockeytown-fo-1534228789

    • Waylon

      Unfortunately, nothing new under the sun here. Detoillette has been on a long downward spiral and the politicos, unions and their assorted cronies in the local business firmament marched it right down to it’s current state of hopelessness.

      • Bob Lanz

        Stick to hockey asshat don’t blame the unions for failure of politicians, and big business and investment banks. This is more infuriating than bollig resigning

        • Waylon

          thank you for your illuminating addition to the discussion. Did you even read the article that was posted? Sheesh. Blame goes all around for the most part regarding Detroit. The citizens elected the politicians, who were provided funds for their election runs partly by the unions, who were promised annual pay raises by the managers of the corporations. This is not news, even the Freep’s been discussing it for years at this point.

          • DesertHawk

            What’s a freep?

          • Waylon

            It’s shorthand for The Detroit Free Press, the last major surviving newspaper in Detroit. They’re been staunchly pro – union for their entirety, yet I’ve always found them to be fairly objective regarding the problems that have plauged their city for decades at this point. They’ve done yeoman work here, and I think should be lauded for their efforts.

          • Bob Lanz

            I don’t want or need to read your articles on the death of a great American city. I’m here for hockey and not politics or union bashing. Yes I’m a union government employee. I’m also an elected union official. My family was trade unionists and my guess is your not a union member and therefore you don’t understand what your quoting from your source material. Bu thanks for your attempt at educating me

          • DesertHawk

            Just cause you’re a Union official doesn’t mean you need to go off all rage bonery whenever someone says something you disagree with. There are civil ways to discuss things. Which Waylon was doing. There are people in the world who will disagree with you and what you do, if they’re being civil about it, you should act the same way in return. At least he didn’t spit in your face and call you a baby killer.

        • Waylon

          also, I was replying to the article that was posted and the points it was making. The article in question is discussing the ridiculous deal that the city and the state gave to the Illitch family, in order to fund their new stadium, and why it’s a terrible deal for the taxpayers.

        • Waylon
  • Lobster

    Crawfords pads, glove and blocker got stolen as well. Hahaha.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Jeremy Morin is AHL player of the month for February.

    • Bob Lanz

      Rightfully so! Now it’s time that I’m in the majority. Q is death to young offensive talent and Stan is apparently a submissive gm

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Absolutely, Q is terrible with young offensive talent. It’s definitely not as if Toews, Kane, Saad, and Leddy have developed considerably under Q. Nope, not at all

        • Lobster

          How do I like something twice?

        • BestPredsForward

          Don’t forget Hjalmarsson.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            I included Hjalmarsson in my original list until I re-read Bob’s post and noticed that it read “…death to young offensive talent…” But yeah, Hjammer has developed into one of the absolute best defensive defensemen in the NHL under Q’s watch, certainly nothing to scoff at

          • ahnfire

            I feel like Q is better at nurturing young d-men, but attribute that to his own defensive background. With Toews & Kane, we were in the dark(er) ages where there was no other choice to play them. As with Saad, well, remember he only got the chance to grow in the top6 because Carcillo got hurt.

            I don’t think Q is death to offensive talent, but I do think he has a much shorter leash for offensive prospects than for defensive prospects, which can be frustrating to watch.

        • Bob Lanz

          Q did not develop Toews or Kane or Leddy who he hampers with rotating partners. And Saad as Ahn pointed out was benched in favor of carcillo, best injury ever. We all agree he is top 6 yet Q has him bottom 6 for the most part. Bum slaying yes, I suppose so.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Q did not develop Toews or Kane? So they haven’t played almost their ENTIRE PROFESSIONAL CAREERS save for their rookie year and the 1st 4 games of year 2 under Q? As for Leddy, so he hasn’t steadily improved while being brought along slowly? The rotating partners thing may be frustrating, but if you don’t think he’s markedly improved at both ends of the ice since joining the ‘Hawks then you’re just not paying attention. And Saad, yeah Carcillo’s injury got him into the line-up sooner, but do you really think Carcillo was going to hold down that spot for long anyways? That injury just made it happen sooner. But of course Saad hasn’t developed at all since then has he? Nope, not under Q’s tutelage. And it’s definitely a sign of poor coaching when a winger with a clear top-6 ceiling is allowed to develop his full 200 foot game while primarily slaying bums in his 2nd professional season instead of being pushed into a top 6 role immediately. He did great on the top line last year, until of course he hit a wall near the end of the year as most young players are wont to do.

            Point is – plenty of things to be critical about when it comes to Q’s coaching style. And yes, I do wish he was as good with young offensive talent as he is with defensive talent. But to say he is even close to death for young offensive talent is about as logical as saying that Brandon Bollig could handle top-6 minutes. By which I mean it’s an inherently flawed statement.

          • Bob Lanz

            I can’t argue with your logic…

  • Paul the Fossil

    Lambert agrees with the perspective described here regarding the STL-BUF trade:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/blockbuster-appearance-improvement-learned-152843271–nhl.html

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    Bob rossi is reporting that the pens consider the blackhawks and flyers their main opponents when it comes to acquiring kesler.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Still haven’t seen a scenario where the dream is reality… But there may be something to be said for a bit more urgency with the loss of God.

      • Lobster

        Neither do I, but it would be awesome. Who is God?

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          And the Lord sayeth “For he is Marian Hossa and you are not”

          • Lobster

            Can’t argue that.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Hossa. Odin. AKA Father of Gaad.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Yeah, as much as I want the ‘Hawks to somehow land Kesler, I just don’t see how it’s really feasible. I don’t see how it’s really feasible, or remotely a good idea, for Philadelphia either but I also don’t find it even remotely surprising that they’d go hard after him anyways

      • DesertHawk

        What about a Sheriff’s Deputy? Also is there a gooden way to contact you with anything I scrounge up?

        • Bobby Otter

          Me neither. Considering money’s got to go out to get Kessler in, and I don’t think the Canucks are touching Bickell… that means we’re talking either Kruger+Leddy or some combo of Versteeg, Kruger, Leddy with the Hawks getting Chris Higgins back.

          If I’m the Cancuks I’m getting rid of as much salary as possible if I deal Kessler. Maybe it ends up being a three team deal? BTW, Pens are up against the cap too.

          • DesertHawk

            Heh, Waylon!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Waylon’d

        • 10thMountainFire

          There is… Email.

          • 10thMountainFire

            And positively yes on the deputy position!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Deleted…

          • DesertHawk

            We are super awesome covert operators.

          • 10thMountainFire

            To the Bat Cave!

          • Accipiter

            *tree fort

          • DesertHawk

            Sent, assuming you’ve received, delete that email from that post so you don’t get spam farmed.

  • Lobster

    I worry about Ted Dent. It seems like Trent Yawney and Bill Peters were much better with youth than him from a outsiders perspective.

  • Jeff

    Patrick Kane once referred to Burish as the most interviewed fourth liner in the league. Similarly, this post would probably qualify for “most comments concerning a resigned 4th liner”.

    Really hope the extra 4-500k doesn’t come back to bite us.

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      Most of thebcontract can be buried if needed. This isnt really a monetary problem.

    • Bobby Otter

      Oh great, you just pissed off 83% of all Leaf and Hab fans with this.

  • raditzzzz

    nothin like a brandon bollig post to spike post count.

  • birdhead

    Wouldn’t
    Sharp-Toews-Versteeg
    Saad-Handzus-Kane
    Bickell-Shaw-Morin
    Bollig/Regin-Kruger-Smith
    be OK? Or even chuck Regin in at centre and move Shaw to a wing somewhere …

    But instead it sounds like it’s gonna be
    Sharp-Toews-Saad
    Versteeg-Handzus/Regin-Kane
    Bickell-Shaw-Regin/Handzus
    Bollig-Kruger-Smith

    I just can’t stand that second line, guys. I just can’t.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Gross.

      /birdhead’d

      • birdhead

        innit though.

        You don’t even need to call up Morin to make an improvement here. Why is Q so in love with Versteeg-Kane?

        • 10thMountainFire

          History? Honestly I don’t know but Steeg finally put one into the twine so that’s not getting broken up. I put Saad with 19 and Kane and let slip the dogs of war.

        • Lobster

          I actually think he really wanted Saad-Kane but it just never worked out. I agree with 10thMountainFire though.

          • birdhead

            I was going to shout about Saad-Kane not getting a shot but I just checked and Saad is actually Kane’s most common linemate this season – he’s played more with Saad than he has with Duncs, even: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=298&withagainst=true&season=2013-14&sit=5v5 The thing is that Saad-Kane has a better goals for percentage and fancystat percentage than Versteeg-Kane, so I’m just gonna feel vindicated about that.

          • Lobster

            I think it’s about depth. Q has said a few times that he likes having Saad on the 3rd line because it makes for a very dangerous 3rd line.

          • birdhead

            I was more understanding of that before Kane went cold for the entirety of 2014.

    • red palace

      I’m expecting regular guest appearances by Mr Kane on the 1st and 3rd lines.

      • lizmcneill

        10-19-88
        20-26-88
        23-65-88
        88-16-28

      • birdhead

        No doubt this will happen, but why design a line-up where that has to happen? Why not come up with a lineup where you don’t have to double-shift the leading scorer in order to get some points out of him?

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

          If Kane was not so fucking lazy, he could play 60:00, or at the very least all EV and PP minutes and take a breather on the PK.

    • Why

      So it’s just a Saad-Versteeg switch that has you worried?

      • birdhead

        That and bringing up Morin vs playing Regin/Bollig. I understand that it’s not world-ending but I strongly dislike the second line as it’s currently constructed. I think it can’t take advantage of soft minutes (which it doesn’t get anyway), hasn’t got much of a forecheck, etc. If you’re going to achieve balance in your lineup by splitting up Toews and Kane – which I think is smart – I don’t know why you don’t continue to balance the lineup rather than say “oh well that’s balanced so let’s continue to put ALL the most talented two-way players on one line”. That second line isn’t scoring and hasn’t been scoring much the whole season (a lot of Kane’s points earlier in the season came away from that line). That’s fine for, say, the Kruger line but I’m not into it for the second line.

  • Z-man19

    I can’t imagine what would happen if Stan actually traded for Kesler. The page views would break all kinds of records

    • Country_Bumpkin

      And McClure’s boner would be visible from space.

  • ChicagoNativeSon

    Good read by Tyler Dellow about line depth of the “contenders”…

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6761

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2014-03-01-at-2.14.26-PM.png

    “I’m very, very impressed by what Chicago and Los Angeles accomplish with their bottom sixes. Chicago looks like an elite 5v5 team even if we cut out every minute that Kane and Toews are on the ice. By definition, that’s going to include a lot of the time that their other star forwards are on the ice as well. What we’re seeing there is just the Hawks third and fourth lines, killing other teams.

    That’s a pretty amazing thing to me. I’ve kind of shifted in how I think about things a little bit over the years. There has to be an element of coaching in that. If there isn’t, you sort of wonder a bunch of Chicago’s depth players aren’t stars somewhere else.”

    • DesertHawk

      Q is TERRIBLE THOUGH!!!!!

    • birdhead

      Read that the other day, it was pretty incredibly satisfying.

    • Paul the Fossil

      Yea that is very interesting data, thanks for linking it.

      “All told, I’m kind of inclined to think that there are five real contenders for the Cup this year: LA, CHI, SJ, BOS and STL.” Four of which will be fighting for the sole Western Conf spot in the Finals, sigh.

    • Lobster

      Great read. Thanks.

      • Lobster

        I have a tough time trusting the stats, but it’s an interesting idea none the less.

        • Paul the Fossil

          You think the data is being faked, or compiled wrong?

          • Lobster

            I wonder about the accuracy of the method of compiling the data. What determines possession stats, is there a difference in quality of chance and do they take that into account? Advanced stats in hockey are a sketchy business.

          • guest

            Shhhhhh there’s been enough strife today, if you open up the “quality shots”/corsi is meaningless/LUCK can of worms there will probably be deaths by the end of it all.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Wow. Thanks for posting that.

    • red palace

      That’s a good one. One piece of evidence for the last sentence is the remarkable number of players who couldn’t find a spot with the Hawks but who are getting regular time elsewhere this season: Stanton, Klinkhammer, Hutton, Hayes, Olsen, Carcillo…..

      • lizmcneill

        And how Fro, Bolly, Ladd, Steeg all played up a line or two elsewhere.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Merci.

  • Paul the Fossil

    And just as an aside a big high-traffic comment thread like this one really exposes Disqus’s limitations. Like when Q tried Kopecky on a top line, just a flailing mess.

    • Z-man19

      If this were a GDT and the time was compressed to an hour or two, Disqus would have puked a giant furball long before now

    • 10thMountainFire

      Bollig was on the PP in NY.

      Disqus, the reaper has come for you…

      • Paul the Fossil

        For 19 seconds, at the end of a PP…breathe buddy, breathe. “As your attorney I recommend that you take a hit from that brown paper bag.”

        • 10thMountainFire

          Just let me know when I can stop…

        • lizmcneill

          Yeah, I think it was a case of Q going, fuck this, at least Kruger won’t give up a shorty.

      • ahnfire

        I’m surprised people didn’t hear my rage-scream over the broadcast…

        • 10thMountainFire

          We were all running in circles and screaming. Couldn’t hear you.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Death to Disqus!

  • DuHawk

    What. The. Fuq.

    • DesertHawk

      Pretty much.

    • Z-man19

      Got kinda messy today

      • DuHawk

        It looks like all the inmates escaped the asylum & found their way here.

        • Z-man19

          More like all the inmates came back to the asylum to argue if Stan should be admitted

  • Daze55

    So…Russia loses in the Olympics..and Putin invades Ukraine. Couldn’t be a coincidence.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Wait until Putin gets kicked from the G8

      • CozBullsFan

        Well. China just changed positions on the matter and they now say Russia should respect the Ukraine’s sovereignty. That means they now have no one else on the G8 or UNSC that backs them.

        • 10thMountainFire

          They want to go after the Uighurs responsible for the mass knife killing yesterday.

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

          Russia is not just going to walk away from Svestopal. It is their gateway to the Mediterranean Sea and the Indian Ocean.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Anyone who still has ‘Ukraine’ in the Crimea pool best just start breaking their piggy banks. It ain’t happening.

          • CozBullsFan

            They don’t have to walk away. Ukraine has said they would honor currents treaties. Putin’s just being a bully because he didn’t get the puppet state he wanted.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            He will use that port on the Black Sea to justify anything, they will not “walk away” from it.

  • laaarmer

    When Kruger’s is up, they will negotiate it and come to an agreement. And if not, Kruger will go away.
    I honestly don’t even care anymore.
    Fuck, they should have traded Seabrook.

    • HossasPierogi

      Really? OK, explain how the 6 D would work without Seebs. Which defenseman do you have in mind that would take his place?

      • Z-man19

        laaarmer loves Seabs like a brother, he’s not serious

        • laaarmer

          Bollig can play D.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That’s cute. We’ve lowered our standards enough to accept that he can play defense.

          • laaarmer

            How much worse can he be than Kostka?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            Because something is not as bad as smelly as wet dog shit, does not mean it does not still smell like shit.

          • laaarmer

            Kostka was awesome. He did it all.

          • Z-man19

            Wet as in it just came out or wet as in its been rained on?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Wet as in I peed on it.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            The in heat cat pissed on it.

          • Z-man19

            Oh, that’s pretty bad

          • 10thMountainFire

            What did they do to you out there, man? You’ve changed.

          • laaarmer

            Where was I?

          • Z-man19

            We ask the questions around here, where was you?

          • Z-man19

            You shut your fat mouth

      • Accipiter

        Girardi, the one he was traded for.

        • Why

          I am chuckling.

        • lizmcneill

          didn’t the Rags just re-sign him?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Six years

          • lizmcneill

            The Nacho Abides.

        • laaarmer

          Yeah, Girardi asshole. Take that!

    • 10thMountainFire

      You’re a liar. You do so care.

  • HossasPierogi

    Q and Bowman had all year to PLAY Pirri and Morin to make them into formidable forces by playoff time. They have squandered this opportunity. Pirri is just the kind of player who can score a huge goal at the right moment. I wish him luck in an organization that wants him. I’m guessing a second or third round elimination for the Hawks this year. They are in some kind of a weird comfort zone and I don’t see them coming out of it.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      A third round elimination isn’t as bad as your paragraph makes it sound like it is. But are you saying that keeping and playing Pirri would have made the difference?

      • HossasPierogi

        It’s impossible to say but maybe. Pirri is an extremely talented scorer. What I will say is Q/Bowman’s seeming unwillingness to give potential key contributors NHL experience may be a fatal flaw.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Fair enough … I just didn’t think of Pirri as one of the “potential key contributors.” He needed too much work to fit here, it seems. I wish him luck, too … he’ll have the chance to play minutes in Florida that were never coming here (in my mind, justifiably).

          • HossasPierogi

            In the playoffs, a key contributor is one goal, at the right time.

          • Accipiter

            Or a big save.

          • Z-man19

            A timely hit

          • Accipiter

            A key FO win.

          • Z-man19

            Now you’re just being silly

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            An incapacitating slash or trip.

          • Z-man19

            You switching to I am not Bobby Clarke?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            No bone breakage, I don’t go for those shenanigans.

          • Z-man19

            That’s a pretty definitive line in the sand you’ve drawn. What about fractures, hairline or otherwise?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            All injurious behaviour is permitted unless it causes the opposing player to miss a shift.

          • Z-man19

            So incapacitate was a tad strong?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            So I should just keep my evisceration suggestion to myself, then?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            It was perfectly apt: to deprive of ability; to make incapable (of scoring) or unfit (to complete a play). Maim. Maim would be a tad strong (or bhh’s evisceration, which I see below me, a word I see too infrequently).

          • Z-man19

            I’m sending some muscle over to incapacitate you. How does that sound? Will you miss a shift? Clearly, eviscerate is worse, but not by a lot

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I only meant a slight evisceration. Barely at all.

          • Z-man19

            Why are you not at the game? Fluffy is in town

          • Z-man19

            So the departure of Bolland, Fro and Stals has us doomed?

          • laaarmer

            We sit on the ledge of DOOOOOOOM!

          • 10thMountainFire

            There’s no sitting on the ledge. Get up and shut up. No talking.

          • Country_Bumpkin

            No, no and no.

          • HawkIPA

            He’s got TWTW, the most important stat of all.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Pirri was never going to crack top six, dude.

        • laaarmer

          Stan killed the rabbit!

          • cliffkoroll

            * wabbit!

        • Waylon

          again, not trying to be snarky here, but two cups in the new era of cap – dom does not indicate a “fatal flaw.” In most of these instances I prefer to trust in their judgements, no matter how skewed they may appear to me at the moment.

        • neo1978
          • birdhead

            brb reading the Toews rave. “It is hard to point to just one or two qualities that makes Toews such a special player because he is immensely gifted in so many areas…”

          • birdhead

            hahaha “Another attribute that makes Toews such a highly-regarded player is his versatility. While he spent most of his rookie season at North Dakota playing center, he can also play wing. He actually began his collegiate career playing on wing.”

          • lizmcneill

            “He thinks and approaches the game like a seasoned veteran and at the
            same time can exude all of the exuberance of a child playing in his very
            first hockey game.”

            Translation: Captain Serious, my ass.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Saad a ‘B’. LOL

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    Big Boy Hockey reigns!

    • DesertHawk

      Huh?

      • Waylon

        it’s a reference to a meme that’s become popular on a lot of hockey blogs recently. It refers to teams employing big – bodied guys who can also play a little, or in some cases, a lot (i.e. Lucic and the like). It’s been used on the Hawk’s players as well at times, which doesn’t make a lot of sense IMHO.

        • lizmcneill

          I saw someone mention Toews and Frogger as bbh players over the summer. Unless you redefine it as “gets run over a lot” – Toews is tall but lanky and Frogger is 180lb soaking wet.

          • Waylon

            Toews is a little lanky but for some reason he can really smear guys if he has to, he carries his weight well. I think some get confused over justifying the meme in applying it to team like the Hawks, who prefer to have good players, period. They don’t worry themselves too much regarding size, emphasizing the total skillset much more.

          • 10thMountainFire

            The most complete player in hockey or the most complete player in hockey?

          • birdhead

            The most complete player in lacrosse

          • Country_Bumpkin

            Because Crosby

          • lizmcneill

            It’s his hockey butt. Low center of gravity, skates low. He more shoves guys aside than smashes them. Of course, he then randomly falls over his own feet sometimes to compensate.

          • Accipiter

            I wouldn’t describe Toews as lanky.

        • cliffkoroll

          I’ve used the term myself, but basically referring to the playoffs. In my lexicon, Patrick Kane is definitely a Big Boy Hockey player.

          Wake the Beast Baby!

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    Did you ever think after reading PD Comment, FB, HF Boards, etc…, that WE are the meatheads and everyone else knows what that the fuck is going on?
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    .Yeah, me neither.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Brother, I’ve been pumped with so much morphine over the past 48 hours that you could tell me Putin is the new 2C and I’d just ask what number he’s going to wear.

      • Accipiter

        He doesn’t wear a jersey. That is how you identify him, no number required.

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          That and the tears.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        He is the one skating on sickles while carrying a Hammer.

        • Waylon

          wait, I thought that was Larianov.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        Are you okay?

        • 10thMountainFire

          Getting there. It was a rough one.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            Hope you feel better and everything works out.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Thanks. I’m still undefeated.

  • laaarmer

    When do we think Kesler gets to O’Hare?

    • Z-man19

      When Pitt flies in for game 3

      • laaarmer

        Booo.

        • 10thMountainFire

          C’mon that was solid.

          • laaarmer

            I thought it was wet

        • Z-man19

          If Stan acquires Kesler this year, not Chico will shovel your drive for the next decade

          • laaarmer

            I’ll take it.

          • 10thMountainFire

            In a Habs sweater.

          • Z-man19

            And no pants

          • laaarmer

            Cooperalls

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            No! In an old pair of Adidas nutters I’ll find at the Goodwill.

          • 10thMountainFire

            This should happen next winter after the Stanley Cup banner raising when Kesler is teary-eyed after getting his first.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I will indeed. It’s a promise, laaarmer.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      Oh-Dark-Thirty

  • 10thMountainFire

    Non-game days here at TCI verge on anarchy.

    • CozBullsFan

      Meh. I’m just sitting around watching TV. Not going to worked up over nothing.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I literally cannot get worked up. I am worked over, ridden out, and put away.

        • Z-man19

          Wet?

        • laaarmer

          litchrally

          • 10thMountainFire

            At one point I swear Keith Richards came into my room wearing a nurse’s outfit and high-fived me.

          • Waylon

            after he fell head – first out of a palm tree.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That was a weird-looking palm tree.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            What happened XMF? I’ve heard you reference some ills the past couple of days… you go under the knife for something?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Massive internal infection got me. Realized I was fading on Saturday so I drove myself to the emergency room. What happened after that included a lot of morphine for a few days.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Well the morphine part sounds fun… the rest, not so much. I hope you recover soon, my frent. Glad you are getting treated as infections of any ilk are no joke.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Thanks. Missed the game on Saturday so I have to try and get it on iTunes. That was the worst thing to happen to me this year. I blame Vancouver. Hopefully, someone will find a dumpster and matches.

          • laaarmer

            Kesler may take care of that for you

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m thinking Luongo might attempt to hide in his checked bag.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            That’s no small thing from the sounds of it. And absolutely Vancouver’s fault… though perhaps it’s Scum Jr. You can never count out the treachery of those d-bags. We need birdie to send you some soup or something.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I appreciate the thoughts. I’m on the BRAT diet for a few days to see how everything works post-disaster.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Say hi to Keith Richards for me if he shows up again. Can’t keep him away from that stuff ya know.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I will. Looks like he’s done, though. This was my last dose. And thank Hossa because I was not liking the last day or so.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Where do you think XMF gets his from?

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Lou Reed’s ghost.

          • Waylon

            Holy crap, and here I thought your were joking, not being literal. Please take care, that didn’t sound like anything to be farking around with.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Antibiotics for a few more days, trying to avoid pain meds. I’ll be good to go by next game. Day to day with an upper-lower body. Progressing nicely. We’ll see.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            You and God out with UBIs. Coincidence?

          • 10thMountainFire

            I just wanted to touch him.

            I flew too close, man. I flew too close.

          • VanDorp’sMullet
          • 10thMountainFire

            We all have our moments. I just wanted to see where Saad came from. I looked into Odin’s eyes. I don’t remember much after that.

          • birdhead

            D: I hope you’re better soon, buddy.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Thanks. I may seek out a recipe or two.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I’m not sure what being “rived” is, but I’m sure you have to be high to do it.

          • 10thMountainFire

            To put myself to sleep I listened to Pink Floyd’s ‘Echoes’. That sort of well… yeah. Kubrickian.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Listening to it in the state in which it was written? Haven’t tried it.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Totally unintentional. I couldn’t get to sleep through the intense pain. Put on the iPod to zone myself out.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        IT’S NOT NOTHING!!!!!!#@$!#$@

        • laaarmer

          Put the Cooperalls on and get to work on the driveway.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Something else has to happen first. And the deal is Adidas nutters, not Cooperalls. Wrong company, wrong “style.”

        • CozBullsFan

          ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • laaarmer

    Can we waive disqus?

    • Z-man19

      I prefer the nuclear option

    • 10thMountainFire

      It truly sucks tonight.

  • BestPredsForward

    If I were stupid enough to reply on Twitter to Bollig’s “hater” comment, I would say, “If being a hater means demanding consistent excellence from all your players at the grandest stages, then please call me a hater.” Alas, I’m only stupid enough to contribute to this disqorse..

    • Waylon

      The response of “hater” in it’s orginal intent was to imply that those disagreeing were just spewing bile – filled rants without substance. While no doubt some of that is true in Bollig’s case, some of us here don’t feel his abilities match the size and length of his contract. I also don’t know why the guy would feel the urge to post anything at all right now, since he knows what it’s going to create. You know, just prove the “haters,”
      wrong, Brandon.

  • laaarmer

    I mean I click on the new comment and it’s gone.

    • birdhead

      Scroll down. New comments are showing up at the bottom of threads instead of at the top now.

      • lizmcneill

        Trade Disqus for a third rounder.

        • laaarmer

          Naw, we’ll extend it for 3 years and then bitch about it even if they win a championship.

          • ahnfire

            Or we’ll talk about the fact that it won a championship so we’re never allowed to critique it ever again.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Heh.

          • birdhead

            the team stumbles on. 50 years later, Kane and Toews retire (they can barely walk anymore)

            “who can we replace them with” say management haggardly “none of our prospects have won Cups”

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            bbToews and bbKane. and bbSharp. Duh.

          • birdhead

            but they haven’t won anything, BHH!!!

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Well, let’s assume some bbHawks will be conceived within a day or so of the next cup win or two, so by default, they were actually part of their fathers at that point and did indeed win.

          • lizmcneill

            Can we have the bbSharps for Team USA in 2034? They were born in Chicago so they have dual citizenship, right?

      • laaarmer

        800 comments? I’m not going down there.

        • Z-man19

          Not all the way down, comments are still grouped together but it’s more like how SCH is/was

          • CozBullsFan

            Still not doing it.

          • laaarmer

            I’m not putting any more time in to it. If I miss your comment, just say it again, eh?

          • Preacher

            I want to know why the comments are often wonky and mostly inaccessible on my office computer.

          • Z-man19

            First we have to explain how you have 6 kids, now this?

          • Preacher

            I thought the kid thing had to do with sheep. I was moving on to more technical things now.

          • Z-man19

            Sheep are the answer to both

          • Preacher

            Wow. That’s mind blowing. But it still doesn’t explain why my computer is wonky on the comments section or why my wife sometimes invites me to our room for one of those “special talks” she seems to like so much.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            that’s based on whether you chose new or old comments first

          • Z-man19

            Despite his grumpy demeanor, laaarms seems like a newest guy

          • birdhead

            No it’s not. I group new first and my new comments still show up at the bottom of the thread :(

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            hmmm…mine is still acting the way it always has.

          • ahnfire

            where it lands/pops up depends on what comment you were responding to. if disqus had more space on the right, you’d see the threading better.

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          All the page views!!!

    • Z-man19

      It’s like how SCH was without the z key. Scroll down and look for the comment with a blue line next to it

  • Z-man19
    • bizarrohairhelmet

      A mint on GMMG’s pillow and getting tucked in by Harrison Ford every night is a little overboard.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Eve Babitz says Harrison Ford was a really good … umm, love-maker.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      CBJ was saying the same for Nash. They did not get that.

      • Z-man19

        This is GMMG, the same guy that couldn’t trade Lu

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

          Then trade Bollig-Kesler with VAN taking 1/2 Kesler’s salary for Bollig’s “Big Boy Hockey” play.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Toronto seems to have the commodities to deal for Kesler but he won’t waive to go to the Leafs. I could see Kadri being the centerpiece of a package back to Vancouver… maybe Bolland as well. But if Kesler says ‘nyet’…

      • Joe Banks

        That explains it then, because GMMG never had an original thought.

    • 10thMountainFire

      GMMG is going to blow it.

    • Preacher

      So, what’s the current betting line on the idea that Kesler will still be a Canuck on Friday?

      • Accipiter

        Wednesday ?

        • Preacher

          Couldn’t remember if the trade deadline was Wed. or Thurs. so I just said Friday to cover my bases.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        More likely will be then not. VAN is still kinda sorta an outside playoff team. If the four teams he listed are true, none will give GMMG what he wants for Kesler. GMMG would probably rather go for the post season then get shit for Kesler.

        • Accipiter

          Without one of the twins for a extended period of time could do them in anyway.

          • Preacher

            They weren’t exactly tearing it up with both of them, were they?

          • Accipiter

            No, but they normally help the team. Can’t see it getting better for the Canucks.

    • Country_Bumpkin

      That asking price is fucking moronic. GFY GMMG!

      • Preacher

        What? A top forward, a top prospect and a top draft choice is too much for you? With other GMs, you know this is a high demand that will come down to a more manageable price. But with Gillis, yeah, he’ll probably try to get even MORE out of the deal.

        • Accipiter

          And then trade him on draft day …

          • Preacher

            I don’t even know why we’re talking about this. After all, Kesler’s agent said Kesler doesn’t want to go anywhere.
            Next topic?

          • Accipiter

            During the Olympics many reporters say that Kesler stated (to anyone who would listen) that he wanted out of Vancouver.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            He can see the writing. If he wants to lift 35lbs, it will NOT be in VAN.

          • lizmcneill

            Can you blame him?

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

          For the teams that can get him and need him, yes it is too much. Like CBJ asking for Kane for Nash. A contender is the only option and I do not see a contender giving up a Top forward to get Kesler.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    MY eyes are bleeding after seeing this,

    The truth is he’s not a bad 4th line player by any means, I would take him over Kruger ( who the author referenced ) regardless of whether or not he makes more money. Kruger is the guy I think is overvalued in terms of who gets to play on the Hawks.

    • 10thMountainFire

      You Yahoo.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        I at times try to let some know there is more to hockey than section 300 stuff.

    • birdhead

      worlds of nope.

    • CozBullsFan

      That person needs to find a new sport to follow. Like cricket, or shuffle board.

    • CitizenKaner

      The way I see it, that comment came from one of the four following places:

      A) TSN comment section
      B) HFBoards
      C) ESPN comment section
      D) Puck Daddy comment section

      I think I’m going to go with D) Puck Daddy comment section

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        winner

    • ahnfire

      ughhhhh /headdesk

      nope. nope nope nope. Bollig is not better than Frogger in any way, shape, or fashion.

      • Z-man19

        Don’t hurt yourself

      • Waylon

        You know, you don’t even have to have a working relationship with hockey stats (I don’t) to realize how wrong that statement is – Stan brought Kruger up probably a season before he was ready because the team found itself in dire straits. Then he continually praised him to the heavens, even when he encountered the expected ups and downs. Heck, I even remember the hallowed “the plan all along” thing. How anyone could value Bollig over Krugs boggles the mind.

      • lizmcneill

        Dat Kruger’s a soft Euro smurf who doesn’t hit enuff, my frent.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      I am a meathead, my response that 100% opposes this view was not received well.

  • birdhead

    via @mikedarnay on twitter. this is hard to read but damn, check out that Lightning. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh2efSbIAAAc4_d.jpg

  • Why

    We like our people. Unless they’re big.

    • Accipiter

      As long as the player is good and can help the Hawks win, I don’t care.

      • Why

        I’m actually pleasantly surprised to see people sticking up for Bollig. Worked hard, got paid. I like reading Sam’s stuff but it’s days like this where I’m glad Stan’s in charge.

        We’ve all got our biases but Bollig and Seabrook seem to be the usual whipping boys. Some people just like the small guys.

        • Accipiter

          I’m glad that no one here is in charge of the Hawks.

          • Why

            Excellent point. The circle jerk in the press box would be unbecoming.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Like there isn’t already a circle jerk in the press box.

        • ballyb11

          “………… I’m glad Stan’s in charge.”

    • 10thMountainFire

      There are valid reasons for some of us not wanting Bollig in that role. It has nothing to do with size. It has to do with speed, quickness, and hockey IQ. I understand there are also reasons for wanting Bollig in that role, to include size, improved play, toughness, and the somewhat limited cost for a player on that line in that role.But my personal aversion to keeping Bollig has nothing to do with his size. I just prefer more speed and quickness, that’s all.

      There are valid points for both sides on this issue.

      • Z-man19

        Skill?

        • 10thMountainFire

          Meh. On a fourth line, if the player is responsible in his own end, makes some room for his linemates, and maybe kill penalties, ‘skill’ is a luxury that we’d like but can live without, so to speak.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Edited for clarity.

          • Z-man19

            make room maybe, kill penalties, no

          • 10thMountainFire

            After re-reading my post in the context of your remark, I think we were speaking past one another. Your ‘skill’ is my ‘speed and quickness’. So I upboated you. We’re in full agreement.

  • HossBoss
    • 10thMountainFire

      I don’t find that the slightest bit funny.

  • 1benmenno

    830 comments. I have not read one of them. Just statsing them.

    • 1benmenno

      There’s score effect. Then there’s trade deadline effect.

  • Von Bilka

    I think I’m done reading this blog forever. Bummer.

  • Chuck Miller

    Stan explained yesterday that Pirri was a pending RFA and out of options, so if they kept him he had to stay with the Hawks and they think Teavo is better anyway.

  • Jim

    great article…hit numerous points