So That Happened

Ok, this won’t be too hard to try and get our arms around, will it?

Let’s all breathe. It’s not too hard to figure out what went down here. We said just a few weeks ago that hometown discounts are generally things agents and unions frown upon. Secondly, this is a weird kind of negotiation, where the Hawks wanted a bridge deal and Saad’s camp wanted long-term big paper. The problem with that is there really isn’t any middle ground. You can’t sign a four-year bridge deal. You don’t get much relief by paying Saad over $5.5 million for two years. It’ s kind of one or the other. The Hawks had an idea of what they wanted to do. It’s obvious Saad’s camp had quite another.

If you didn’t see our retweet of Bob MacKenzie, he had it that Saad was looking for six years at $6.5 million. Quite simply, that’s ludicrous. We’re talking about a player who has yet to put up a 30-goal season wanted 50% more per year than Max Pacioretty, who has two 35+ goal seasons. You simply cannot pay that.

If that’s what Saad’s agent was asking, he probably knows someone was going to offer it. In fact, it very well may have been Columbus. So Jarmo may have called Stan and said, “You can have this now, or I’m just going to do the offer sheet and you’ll get three picks. Your choice.” You may think the picks sound better, and maybe they would be in the long run. But the Hawks aren’t in the long run business right now. And simply taking the picks would have left this team next season seriously handicapped.

Because it’s not like nothing is coming back. Artem Anisimov isn’t too much different than the departing Vermette. Not quite the defensive player, but possibly a little more offensive flash. Marko Dano is a 1st round pick with a lot of potential who can really move. Tropp and Morin are just strange, though I kind of like the idea that Stan is just going to force Morin on Q until the end of time. Whatever the first two end up being, they can contribute to next year’s team which those three picks most certainly can’t. And there ain’t much on the free agent market that would help if you just held onto the cap space.

Secondly, there must not have been any offers for Patrick Sharp that the Hawks feel was worth it (which is kind of curious if Zac Fucking Rinaldo is worth a third). While the rest of the league might fear Sharp being some sort of dressing room problem (and I’m not sure buying that), the Hawks just won a Cup with him so they probably don’t care about it too much. I would imagine Sharp sticks around because without him, Killion is going to be playing left wing.

That doesn’t mean this isn’t a huge risk and our problem. Saad was supposed to be the young anchor along with Teuvo to extend the window. Even if they can keep Sharp, how many more years are they going to get out of Sharp? Even if we say most of his lack of production last year was due to bad luck, and a good deal was, he probably only has two-three good years left. Saad has 10. Throw Hossa into the equation…

There’s more curious about this. After losing out on Mike Reilly to Minnesota, it seems really odd that they would then lose Paliotta so quickly after trying so hard to sign him. They’d better hope TVR, Svedberg, and Pokka can make us forget Paliotta was every briefly a Hawk.

It’s not a good look when you lose Leddy and Saad within a year, and don’t let them tell you that was the plan. Rozsival’s and Bickell’s contract, along with the acquisition of Versteeg are what got you that. While Stan has earned some benefit of the doubt, there’s no dressing that up (though I don’t know Bickell’s contract was exclusively his decision).

I hesitate to start to speculate what it means for next year’s lineup because there’s probably more coming. I’m sure what they envision is one where Bickell and Steeger aren’t around, and it looks something like this:

Sharp-Toews-Hossa

Dano-Anisimov-Kane (or some combo thereof)

Panarin-Teuvo-

Shaw-Kruger-Desjardins/Morin/Don’t know yet

There’s some variables here. If Danault can push Kruger up a line Teuvo stays on a wing, which more and more I’m convinced wouldn’t be the end of the world though I’d rather they really give him a go at center. Dano has to prove it I suppose. Sharp may still go, though I wouldn’t count on it. There could be a host of moves still left.

There’s no way to sugarcoat this. Saad could be a budding force of nature for years and years. He might turn into the 35+ goal monster year after year on Johansson’s wing that will always make us ache. But sentimentality can’t enter into this, and quite simply $6.5 million per year is just too much, if indeed that’s what he was after. That was more than Toews and Kane signed for after their entry-level deals. Think about that. Also, and this isn’t that big of a predictor, but Saad’s numbers away from Toews… well let’s just say Toews makes everyone much, much better. If you don’t trust Stan, trust Toews.

It could all blow up. I’m not saying you should like it. But it’s understandable. It’s cold-eyed. But maybe that’s what you have to be. Actually, we know it is.

 

  • Wiz of Corsica

    Lurking Wings fan here. This disappoints me. I had vague hopes that you’d overpay Saad, leaving Kruger exposed.

    It sucks to lose a good, young player no doubt. But you can fill the gap with the money you save. And if he thinks he’s worth $6m you wouldn’t want him around going forward any way.

    Sincerely-

    PS I seriously doubt there were any offers for Sharp.

    • wardrums

      as far as Sharp goes, clearly, based solely on age. In my opinion, Saad and Sharp are the same player, at least for two more years. Sharp still has some tread on the tires.

      Sharp will make any team he plays on more dangerous. In the Lightning series, he played on the first line of the eventual Stanley Cup Champions. It’s not like he’s some sort of straggler.

      • Wiz of Corsica

        He is a good player, and was a very good one. Just not at that age, and those terms. The Hawks will be fine either way, I’m sure.

  • Well you are part of the core until you aren’t. Hit the eject button on Saad insert Teuvo.

    There are some interesting subplots to this whole thing:

    1) Why include Paliotta (Saad should’ve enough to get the deal done)
    2) Why are they already looking at extend Asisimov? Don’t they need to sign Seabrook next year?
    3) Why would you bring Morin back? Only thought is the dude saw what happened without him and he gets his shit together.
    4) Fair to say that we’re ready to put the load on Tuevo shoulders now? At least as the next wave.
    5) Sharp/Bickell/Versteeg shouldn’t get to comfy. Takes a little of the pressure off of Stan to immediately do something but still have some needs

    • DJ

      Maybe Paliotta gets you both Anisimov and Dano together instead of just one of them n

    • Moses Taylor

      I doubt Paliotta ever hurts more than Saad, even if Saad ends up overpaid.

      Why only a 4th? That seems…odd.

  • Mark Bloom

    Doesn’t make me feel better, but a good POV, Sam. I fear that Paliotta is going to hurt even more longer term. Then again, with Jackman coming here…wait, I cannot even finish that sentence

  • krome

    Good analysis. I think you’re spot on

  • NT

    So is Dano a LW or C?

    And, for what it’s worth, he had 21 points in 35 games last year, which is the same [ace as Saad while not playing alongside Toews and Hossa. In no way am I saying he is an equal all around player as Saad, but he appears to be the real deal.

    • Bwana

      I was trying to figure that out too. CBJ has him listed as center, but googling showed him as being C or W. Maybe stick him on wing with Tivo and they can kind of split C/W?

    • hawkfacts

      Love this deal! Dano will be far, far better than Saad in two
      years and Anisimov replaces Richards at a faster speed and with better
      production. Have said before on this site that Saad always benefited
      from playing with Toews and Hossa. Good player, not great.

      Dano will be a great player and together with Teuvo will be the next
      generation of Hawk stars. His possession numbers are out of sight for a
      20 year old and he produces. If the Hawks decide to play him on the
      top line next year, he will outproduce Saad by 10-15 points.

      • NT

        What are you thinking then? Sharp gets traded for picks/bottom pair LHD and Bickell is gone for whatever?

        Dano – Toews – Hossa
        Panarin – Anisimov – Kane
        Versteeg – Teravainen – Morin (I have no idea who plays the wing with Teuvo)
        Desjardins – Kruger – Shaw

        • hawkfacts

          If Bickell and Versteeg go, Sharp could stay which would be great. Play him on the first or 2nd line and push Panarin down. Or leave Sharp on the first line and put Dano on the 3rd line with Teuvo and any Icehog you choose. Would be the best 3rd line in the league. – a possession dynamo.

          Just need to get one cheap vet defenseman to pair with a young Icehog (not Jackman) and Hawks will be set to go for the next 2 years. (just younger and faster than this year.)

      • harshboy

        Wow, somebody who finally knows hockey with a smart comment. Anisimov is a fucking beast when healthy. Dano is one of the fastest guys in the league and morin will light a fire under Q’s ass. I’ll take them. Saad was very good because of his line mates and not the other way around. He’s not worth close to 5 and he wanted 6.5 for 6. Wake the fuck up. Hockey is a business first and foremost.

  • jackattack

    This one hurts, but my immediate reaction was understanding. We’ve been through this many times now, and the haul in this trade is significantly better than any of the Capocalypse trades StanBow has made since 2010.

    What I’m really curious about is if Stan has intentions on buying out Anisimov and extending signing Vermette instead.

    • Moses Taylor

      Considering they’re supposedly close to a 5 year extension with Anisimov, I’d say no.

      • jackattack

        I wouldn’t be opposed to that, honestly. Anisimov’s value is probably never going to be lower.

        • mortysalos

          he’s basically richards at this point, though. and he’s going to get paid a lot more than him. i don’t see how that’s a positive, aside from his age.

          • Lionel Hutz

            He’s 27 and that’s a silly comparison aside from them playing in the same spot in the lineup.

  • Bob Lanz

    It hurts…bad. But cause there has got to be a but. But if we were going to lose him to an unmatchable offer sheet for picks then maybe this is for the best. Losing Paliotta too sucks, BUT we have no idea if he even makes the team and Q doesn’t like too many kids period. Saader we will miss you, BUT not as much as your going to miss hoisting another cup. I’m not bitter, But if your going to give a discount knowing how fucked your team is cap wise and that they will take care of you later in order to keep competing for more cups then sign a bridge deal! Enjoy Colombus

  • Feenux

    If I’m Ryan Johansson I’d be pretty pissed off if Saad ends up getting 6.5 million.

    • Jane Doe

      If I’m Saad, I’m pissed at my agent (if he was driving the $6.5mil/yr bus) that I’m traded to CLB, who signed said Johansen to a $4mil/yr bridge deal.

    • Jiggy Holmes

      Management wouid be like “How many championship rings ya got there Ryan?”

  • Just the Facts

    This is so disappointing as I (along with many) saw Saad and Teuvo as the future core of the Hawks. I’m reserving judgment on this deal until I see the contract that Saad gets from Columbus (or the offer sheet he gets from another team). If he does get $5 million plus per year then I guess the Hawks had no choice. If he doesn’t, then I really question this trade as I view Saad as a player with the potential to be a game changer for many years to come and those types of players don’t come around often.

    P.S. To the editor, don’t forget to remove the strikethrough on “Morin fights to prove to organization he’s not soft” on the back page of next year’s issue (assuming Morin isn’t traded/released/sent to AHL before season starts — a distinct possibility).

  • Lionel Hutz

    Something doesn’t add up but I guess we won’t know until he signs somewhere. He said after game 6 that winning was more important, but then Bowman said they never came close. And his agent denied that 6.5m was their number.

    I have a feeling Saad was just as surprised as we were.

    • Oilcandroid

      Now, THAT’S believable testimony

    • B.I.G. Forever

      I tend to think he KNEW. He wanted the money. It’s all about the dollars. Why make 1.5MIL less when it could all end tomorrow with injury. He went where the cash was…a move everyone would have made.

      But yes, Columbus should NOT have a hockey team and that fanbase getting this player is one part tragic and one part horrible.

      • Lionel Hutz

        I tend to believe Stan that they were never close. Pretty crazy that he walks in and wants Toews and Kane money even though they are already on the team…

      • DJ

        It’s a decent market. Columbus — not Cleveland or Cincinnati — is the largest city in the state. To a certain extent, they can market statewide. They have a very nice arena in a decent area (bars, restaurants, etc.). Plenty of locals to root for something in-between Ohio State games. I’d go with Columbus as a market over Phoenix or Miami, for starters.

        • B.I.G. Forever

          I would agree that Columbus is a better market than Phoenix or a God-Awful sports city like Miami. Maybe it’s because I have a few friends that live in Columbus and said no one cares for, plays or watches hockey.

          • DJ

            It’s the sort of sports town that can handle Ohio State athletics (the key competition is men’s hoops; OSU hockey doesn’t draw flies, and going to the Big Ten didn’t help) and have enough left over to start with a 10,000-12,000 fan base. Having the ASG helped; by all accounts the city really got into it. They’ll need a winning team until the next generation of young players grows up to be adults who will buy tickets.

        • cza

          Columbus is also only three hours from Pittsburgh. I guess when you make that kind of money, you can fly your family to every game, but it will probably be nice to be closer to home.

          This deal depresses me so much. He’s going to be a monster; Hossa trained him well. Silver lining: we’ll never have to hear theorizing about “hometown discounts” again.

    • Cluster_Puck

      According to PL, agent denied the 6 years, not the AAV. Saad is young, won 2 cups. Only ever been on a winner. With an agent in his ear, he probably believes he can have both the $$ and a cup in the future. So why take less?

  • Al Spangler

    Thanks for talking me in from the ledge. The only thing I would disagree with you is that Morin will certainly be a healthy scratch in most Q lineups.

    • Jane Doe

      No, the Ice Hogs will have the AHL’s leading point getter!

    • Cluster_Puck

      How do the options work on Morin now? Part of the reason for the Morin trade was hawks were out of options and he had to clear waivers. What happens now?

  • PrisonedMuffin

    I am now dreaming of a scenario where the Hawks would deal Sharp, Bickell and Versteeg ASAP and give Vladimir Tarasenko a nice offer sheet the Blues can’t refuse. Because fuck St. Louis.

    • Jane Doe

      I just read this scenario on Twitter. As long as we don’t sign asshat Jackman, too, I’m good with it.

    • Leightons5hole

      they dont have the picks

      • Jane Doe

        Good call, they could only offer $5.4. And that ain’t gonna cut it.

  • Leightons5hole

    So if the goal was a bridge deal @ 3MM, youre going to end up at 6.5MM in years 3-6 if not more. I think this really signifies that they choose an aging seabrook over saad. Not sure if I agree with that decision

  • Jim

    Understand the business side, but bummed. Kneel before…ah shit..fuck it

  • seabsrat

    I keep fluctuating between seething with rage and disappointment, to understanding the moves for both parties.

    The manchild will be missed dearly.

    • Mambo Man

      Guys who score 20 goals a season on one of the best lines in the NHL, don’t make $6.5mm per.

      Have fun in ….. whatever fuckall city the Bluejackets play in!

  • Sopel the catfish

    Only way this gets any worse is if there is any truth to the Jackman rumors, that fuckface had better not ever put on the Indianhead.

    • seabsrat

      That’s a move that I can simply never be ok with.

    • Lionel Hutz

      Beauchemein headed to UFA for whatever that’s worth. Could be okay in a bottom 2/3 role.

    • Dangles-a-Plenty

      I will literally buy a Jackman jersey just to piss all over it every game he plays.

  • B.I.G. Forever

    Columbus’s main export is crippling depression.

    Good luck playing in front of 3K fans Saadfather.

    I am really bitter.

    • CurvedBlade

      Let’s not be bitter. Saad is a very good player, NOT a super star. Maybe not even a star. His production was just okay for the top line of the top team, with Toews and Hossa helping out. But being on the top line of the top team means mega bucks to lawyers. Best wishes to the kid and he deserves all he can get.

      I knew something was up early in the playoffs when Saad refused to bargain for an extension, saying he preferred to focus on the playoffs. I took that to mean he wanted to test the free agent market.

      • lizmcneill

        Top line players get 60-70 points now. Scoring is way down. 90th forward in the league was Kesler with 47 or something like that.

    • DJ

      About 10-11k. And if Columbus plays well, they’ll sell out. It’s not a terrible hockey town.

      • wardrums

        and the Jackets will be a strong contender next year. they were decimated by injuries but never quit.

  • Cbeezly

    what the fuck i just saw this

  • guesthouse

    How long before the inevitable call from Foley or Eddie of, “Book it, Dano!”?

    • HossasPierogi

      Count on Edzo to repeat it incessantly

  • B.I.G. Forever

    My only question is:

    Was it Tattallia or Barzini?

    • BigCSouthside

      It was Barzini all along

  • Bobby Otter

    This is tough, but not the end of the world. Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, and Teuvo are all still here.

    This doesn’t open a ton of flexibility for the Hawks, but they do have some breathing room now.

    My only question is if there was a better deal out there, not that the return was poor, but kind of figured the Hawks would want a blue liner too.

    • Bobby Otter

      Forgot Hammer, he’s still here too. And Sharp might be back!

    • DJ

      Not sure. I’d guess the two teams who were ready to send offer sheets were Columbus and Pittsburgh. And if Columbus was willing to do a trade today where we’d get live bodies…fine with me. I think they have a little more talent than Pittsburgh.

      • Lionel Hutz

        I don’t think Pittsburgh had the picks to make an offer.

        • DJ

          Could be. My point was, if I was going to choose between a buffet of Columbus’s talent and Pittsburgh’s, I’d take Columbus. Especially when they kept it open after hours, so to speak.

      • Cluster_Puck

        If aav is truly over 5.4, Pitt did not have a 2nd rounder to give. So count them out. Which makes me wonder if Bowman blinked

        • DJ

          Blinking? Not sure I’d go quite that far; he got live bodies today instead of draft picks next week. I’m not sure you would have gotten bodies immediately from anyone else. Especially after midnight.

    • wardrums

      i’d rather keep Seabrook than Saad

      • lizmcneill

        Depends what you could get for Seabrook (can’t let him walk). The answer is probably “lots”, looking at the free agent dmen.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Actually, we look pretty good down the middle without Vermy or Richards, and if we manage to sign one of them…..

  • mortysalos

    we can’t get rid of sharp now. bickell and versteeg have to be the trades now, and it has to be a salary dump.

  • ChiCityKyle

    Which isnt a bad thing, Sharp did have a 78 point campaign two seasons ago. Hit alot of posts this season. He can still be a ppg player. His mind would be at ease if the trade talks are diminished.

    • wardrums

      This.

    • jordyhawk

      I have always liked him, but he has lost a step IMO. Two years ago he was still torching guys, now he gets rubbed out along the wall. He can still play a role though.

  • jordyhawk

    Is Q gonna pick up Morin at the airport?

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Will Stan attempt to trade Morrin while he is still on teh plane?

    • Brandon Murray

      Pick him up, buy him a steak, then let him bunk on his couch.

  • Oldfarthawkfan

    We were all wondering why Sharp was not traded. I think Stan when he first negotiated with Saad’s agent saw the writing on the wall. Hence the ‘we were never close” comment. Saad was a great fit for this team, but if the bucks are true, hell he hasn’t yet scored 30 goals. This Dano guy looks good, is only 20, Amisinov is a more complete player than Richards is at this point (big, penalty kills, can play power play, etc.)

    • Jim

      CBJ fans saying Amisinov hurt a lot, concussions.

      Saad was never going to stay (We now know) He’s got two Cups, and two parades in Chicago. He can now set himself up financially for life. It was the right thing to do. Stan got some assorted parts to pick through, which is better than nothing.

  • mortysalos

    i don’t understand why pens fans are beating themselves up over this. they didn’t have the picks to offer sheet us. they were never in play for saad.

    • Cluster_Puck

      According to new burniside article Columbus was not going to offer sheet . so who was the threat?

      • DJ

        Hm. So “Team X.” Doesn’t quite change the analysis — Columbus was willing to give you live bodies now as opposed to getting draft picks from Team X.

      • mortysalos

        i honestly don’t know. though i don’t believe any team saying they weren’t going to offer sheet us. it’s very possible that columbus is lying through its teeth here.

  • jordyhawk

    I was thinking 2 year bridge deal at 4.5 per year would be a nice compromise. It will be interesting to find out if Saad knew the trade would come or whether Stan moved quicker than he expected. Hate to lose him, but REALLY like the idea of quality coming back at center. Have no idea why we would bring Morin back though (and I was Morin supporter).

    • DJ

      Perhaps Mirim is the sweetener for a Bickell trade. Or if they keep him, they can tell him not to waste a rare second chance.

  • B.I.G. Forever

    I would actually calm down.

    Dano is REALLY good and Anismov is solid. Both will look and play better wearing the IndianHead. Toews and Q won’t have it any other way.

    His first name is Stanley guys….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqoE6wJ3wm0

  • Jim

    Anaheim signs Bieksa. Believe it or not, they just got douche-ier

    • DJ

      Doubling down on that physical strategy they think they need to beat the Kings.

      • Sopel the catfish

        LA really upped their douche factor with Lucic so Ducks had to answer somehow after they traded Wiz to the Canes

  • Jim

    http://www.vegasinsider.com/nhl/odds/futures

    Who here is betting on Columbus to win the cup in 2016? How about the Hawks? Thought so!

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    IF reports of what Saad wanted are accurate, then it was a choice between a team with Saad, and a bottom six that belonged in Rockford, or a team without Saad and being able to roll four lines. It may also have been the choice between Saad now and Teravainin in a couple of years.

  • HossasPierogi

    Sign Vermette now?

    • mortysalos

      no cap space to do it.

  • Brian Soda Man

    I understand its a different world when your facing the financial security that Saar has in front of him. I just see a definitive value in Chicago v Columbus, the fan bases, teammates, and the opportunity to win Cup. I hope he doesn’t regret this decision. Brandon appeared and stated a preference to winning over money and its hard to believe this decision reflects his desire. I do wish him the best except when playing the Blackhawks.

    • guest

      Have you ever seen an athlete publicly admit to value money over winning? Do you ever suspect that maybe some of them are only saying that because they have been trained constantly from the first moment they were ever near a media person to say so?

      Saad’s won twice. He was not going to get that money here. He will there. He’s got maybe 10 years to make this kind of money, and then he’s a normal person again and an order of magnitude (or two) is knocked off his salary. It’s a business.

      • Brian Soda Man

        It wasn’t required he comment at all. He went further than just a non-admittance to valuing $ over winning.

    • ‘hawks58

      It is sometimes hard for us to imagine when speaking in terms of millions of dollars.

      Put it this way if you like where you work, consider that one of your employers’ competitors is offering you about a 75% increase in salary over what they are offering AND more long-term financial security (long-term vs bridge for Saad), would you stay with your current employer if they say they will not at least come close to matching?

  • Brain Sprain

    This is inexcusable. Stan should be fired. Period. Good bullshit deals put the hawks in this situation. Fuck Stan Bowman

    • DJ

      Sober up…or allow your rage to dissipate…then reconsider.

  • jordyhawk

    I just read a Jackets board. They were positive on deal as you’d expect. Notwithstanding, almost all of the posters said they hated (that was the word they used) losing Dano. Most of them also liked Anisimov but felt they could afford to lose him. I think Stan did okay under the circumstances, but I would have preferred to see a left-sided d-prospect coming our way over Morin and the other guy.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      Lefty Dman you say? I’m wictha.
      If the Hawks braintrust saw fit to retrieve Morin how’s about
      ringing up AR and getting Dahlbeck back? Bicksy & Steeger oughta fetch him and clear cap too. Win-win-win, I say.

      Then again I had BHs trading for Seth Jones – whatever it would;ve taken – AND signing Frolik So so much for my acumen.

      Seeya Saadr you WERE the man man.

  • Marino

    Relax, Brian….stanbow should not be fired.

    It takes a well-constructed team to win and Stan is not done putting the 2016 team together. Secondly, saad, while talented, was playing with two future HOFers in toews and hossa. Saad will still be a very good player in Columbus, but it doesn’t mean that the Hawks aren’t taking the cup again after they plug another winger into their top line. Whoever they plug in….morin, sharp, TT, a player to be named later…with hossa and toews, it will still be the best line in the NHL.

  • Brandon Murray

    “though I kind of like the idea that Stan is just going to force Morin on Q until the end of time”

    This ^^^^^^^made me laugh out loud. I like it.

    “well let’s just say Toews makes everyone much, much better. If you don’t trust Stan, trust Toews”

    This ^^^^^^^could not be any truer. Oh Captain, My Captain, in you I trust.

  • 2DinMKE

    My problem with this move is that it never should have came to this. Sharp had a career year (highest points total) 2 years ago at age 32. Once Stan had the Kane and Toews extensions locked in, he should have traded Sharp. At that point he could have inked Saad to a very reasonable extension that would have looked amazing after the progression he made this year (and probably have kept Leddy too). The core keeps getting older and the Hawks have now lost under age 24 assets in consecutive summers.

    • lizmcneill

      Didn’t he try to extend Saad? They had a little over 3M in tagging room last summer and I can’t see them offering a bigger bridge than that.

      • 2DinMKE

        I don’t recall hearing much about any discussion of an extension for Saad last summer, although it is entirely possible (even likely). A quick google search of “Brandon Saad contract negotiations 2014” did not provide much public information. I tend to think the low-ball offer Stan put up this time around as a bridge contract probably would have gotten ink to paper last summer. And regardless of the Saad situation, last year was the ideal time to trade Sharp, better a year too early than a year too late, and he may have even gotten the pieces he is looking for this year in his absurd demands for Shooter.

    • ‘hawks58

      The Hawks don’t win the cup without sharp-vermy-turbo on the 3rd line, and as well as Leedy did, it was still in very sheltered situations fora supposed 1st pairing guy, and could you honestly see him ever being more than a 2nd pair, PP specialist in Chicago?

      • 2DinMKE

        1. When would Leddy have to ever be more than a 2nd pair, PP specialist in Chcago? 2. Leddy had a cap hit of 2.7, Sharp has a hit of 5.9, so we can’t speculate to what the team would have looked like with an extra 3.2 million. 3. If Leddy is still a Hawk, we don’t send 2 2nd round draft picks for Kimo.

        They did win the Cup so it worked out for this year, but could they have won the Cup with Leddy and 3.2 million in cap space and have Saad for at least the next two years and 2 2nd round draft picks?

        • 2DinMKE

          Some notable trades from last offseason:
          Ryan Kesler and a 3rd for Nick Bonino, Luca Sbisa, 1st and 3rd
          James Neal for Patric Hornqvist and Nick Spaling
          Johnny Boychuk for 2 2nds and a conditional 3rd

        • ‘hawks58

          But then what do you do when Leddy and Saad want a combined $77M this offseason?!

          Bottom line is, Saad and Leddy are NOT top 3 players on a legitimate Stanley Cup competitor right now and there is no guarantee they ever will be. Leddy was not able to improve defensively the way Keith and Hjalmarsson (anyone remember when he was considered an offensive defensemen with defensive zone issues as a draft prospect?) have, and he may never become a smart enough defender to have ever been trusted by Q to take top assignments. Saad is incredibly fast, big, and a skilled player; but there were still concerns about his work-rate all the way up until the middle of this season. Will he be able to push himself and others when he is looked at to be a leader at 23?

          Leddy got #1 defenseman money (top 30) and Saad is asking for top 15 winger money. They are flat out not worth that and no team that is up against the cap on a yearly basis can afford to pay them like superstars when they are not.

          Plus, the return on both were solid. Pokka is considered a damn good defensive prospect, Dano a damn good wing prospect, and Anisimov should slot right into a middle 6 role that will be vacated by Vermette and Richards.

  • mortysalos

    i hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE this. UGH!

  • Icdws

    Surprised at the trade. The die is cast. Good luck saad. Dano looks very good, like Anizimov’s size up the middle. Can he hold the dot like Vermy? Morin is already in Q’s doghouse. I suspect he was added to the deal so he could be traded or cut here.

    Q will grind the core into dust for another cup. Who knows maybe that is what they should do. One or two more cups and they are legends. The sad thing is with a little planning and melding of young ones into the core, dominance over the next 8 years is possible. Just don’t think q will play any more kids.

    Two questions: what does cap look like now with sharp Bickel and versteeg on the roster ?
    Is johns on the team for certain right now?

  • Aaeismacgychel

    So I heard this at work while in a business meeting when my phone got a good 6 or 7 messages within a minute of each other. I had the whole next 2 hours to fume so now that I’m done, here are my thoughts:
    1. This was really disappointing. That said, this wasn’t completely unexpected. We needed to sign Saad before the 1st. And if he was unwilling to take a low offer bridge then he would be offer sheeted. So say this was the case and Saad wanted more. Then say that Columbus told Stan earlier that they could wait for their offer sheet on Saad or make a deal now so Stan got players and Columbus didn’t lose out to another team. In that case, this makes a lot of sense. Still, it’s disappointing.
    2. I want to blame Saad, but it’s hard blaming someone leaving for a 50% raise and guaranteed money for more years over loyalty even if it’s with a much worse company. May he enjoy his money, and may hopefully we enjoy more success from those not chasing money.
    3. Let’s stop comparing Anisimov to Richards. I think that’s doing Richards a major disservice for what he did last year for us and for what he brought to that 2nd line and the PP. Richards has an ability to see the ice as few can including Anisimov. I am still holding out hope we can get him back even though it seems unlikely, but let’s not kid ourselves, losing Richards is going to hurt. Not as much as losing Saad, but I don’t think Anisimov will replace him either. If anything, Artem is more like an Andrew Ladd on offense- solid off one-timers, will redirect shots, and get rebounds. That’s not a bad offensive comparison, but he does not have the vision Richards has at all.
    4. Dano should be interesting. I wish I could see more of him, but if he does work out, this trade looks a lot better
    5. I laughed hilariously when I found out Morin is back. I can see how this went down:
    Morin’s Agent: Hey Jeremy, so big news, you’ve been traded!
    Morin: Oh seriously?!?! Who? Please tell me not Phoenix or Edmonton.
    Agent: No no, nothing like that. They’re a contender for the Cup.
    Morin: Phew… You had me worried for a sec. That’s so awesome. Where to? Tampa? LA? NY? Anaheim? Tell me.
    Agent: Ummmm, it’s uhhhhhh, Chicago.
    Morin: HAHAHAHAHAHHA, yeah right, Q would never let that happen. He’d bench me every game just to spite me. So which is it for real? Montreal?
    Agent: No, uh, it’s Chicago.
    *silence*
    Agent: Jeremy?
    *shotgun blast*

    • ourgeorge

      +1 for another few years with Richards. His no-look pass to ice the cup will forever live in my memory.

      • 60MinutesBaby60

        Agreed. #91’s no look setup for Kaner will always be like a beautiful kiss from a beautiful gal. It was TRULY beautiful.

        That said, w/ this trade I think Richards is kinda expendable.
        Hey we’re all in *business-mode* tonight right? Just sayin’

        • ourgeorge

          I’d be happy if they found a way to sign him, but won’t hold out hope. Guys with his vision are rare.

  • Tjl2888

    It has probably already been done but can someone explain a bridge deal, not really making sense with the sources that have come up in Google.

  • Tjl2888

    I’m sure it’s already been done but can some explain a bridge contract.

    • Aaeismacgychel

      It’s basically a short term deal (2 years) at under market value to hold a player on an RFA until they reach UFA. It is generally disliked by the player and leads to resentment, but long term it can be a better option for them as they become a UFA after 2 years and can get full market value so long as they produce in those 2 years. Of course if they don’t produce or get injured, they go bust hence why they hate these deals. And since the team can match any RFA offer, it does give the player limited options while on an RFA. Hope that explains it.

      • Tjl2888

        It just seems so easy another team to match or pay more going this route…it’s like telling other teams hey come snatch this guy.

  • Statman

    What browser should I be using to view this site? Every thirty seconds, the screen relocates to the BP commercial! It’s damn near impossible to read the articles- or type this comment for that matter!

    • Statman

      Opera seems to be working much better than Chrome for me.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      Feelya bud. Love this site for acumen but whatever delivery system it uses (net knowhow limited) is frustrating.

    • The_Cheeb

      Try AdBlocker +, or some other such add ons for your browser. When I first started reading TCI, the right side of the forum page was loaded
      with Ad videos. Now, it’s totally blank below the blogroll chart.

    • HawkIPA

      Yeah, the ads and autoscrolling can be tough. I generally don’t like using Ad Blockers, but this site can be hard to use without it.

  • TitanTransistor

    Tough to lose Saad. And if he signs with CBJ for 5.5 or less, I’m going to go apoplectic.

    But, if 6.5 was the ask, then I understand making the move.

  • SAMCRO Outlaw

    So I keep seeing the return for Saad wasn’t enough. Pish posh, I’m sure Stan called around & once other teams heard 6.5M they were probably scared off and rightfully so. So getting a couple of players in return that are going to fill immediate needs up the middle or if Dano slots in on the wing with TT that seems like a decent enough deal for a player that if the reports are correct is going for a contract that is setting the bar.

    One silver lining to this mess is that if he really does get 6 yrs @ 6.5M that’s going to royally screw the blues with Tarasenko who is an RFA tomorrow. What’s to stop some team from dropping huge paper on him & either pull him out of stl or stick them with a guy making more than 10M before he hits UFA status? Edmonton has about 19M in cap space and could do it. Another intriguing team would be Toronto which has the deepest pockets in the league and a little more than 23M in cap space. Saad could possibly stick it to stl one more time on the way out the door.

  • lisa simpson

    I know it’s fun to mock Boston for everything, especially losing Dougie and Seguin and spanking them on the way out. But is this really that different? Losing two potential superstars minus the verbal trashing when they left?

    • HawkIPA

      I think we got a lot more back, and trading Seguin, one of the top talents in the NHL, was a ludicrous move.

  • lisa simpson

    I was wondering this with Panarin but will ask now with Anisimov in the fold– who is the last Russian skater to play for the Hawks?

  • GoldenJet

    It’d be nice to see Richards back centering the second line and Anisimov centering the third with Kruger on the fourth.

  • Cluster_Puck

    How soon in day do we lose Krueger?

  • HawkIPA

    Man, this one was tough to digest. From what I’ve heard, Stan got the best deal he could for him. I can’t blame Saad–you’re only in this league for so long, and your career can end before you want it to. Makes sense to get what you can.

    That said, Dano has some scary potential, especially with the Hawks’ talent facilitating it. Anisimov looks alright too, though I wonder if a 5 year deal is the right move.

    Palliota’s loss stings. My guess is the Hawks had to include him to get Dano, in which case, it was probably the right move. Hopefully, Bowman is able to get some D prospects for Bickell or Versteeg.

    Now please sign Kruger today.

    • lisa simpson

      You would guess Johns, Pokka, and Svedberg would be ahead of Paliotta on the depth chart, so he had a hill to climb, but I’m agreed. It feels like Paliotta leaving is the one that’s really going to bite down the line.

  • Lemmy

    Either Sharp or Crawford must go also to get under cap. Bickell and Versteeg alone can’t do it. As goalies are no longer needed by teams that used to be in need before the draft, this means Sharp’s contract must go.

    • Aaeismacgychel

      Trading Raanta means there’s no way we’re trading Crawford. If we were going to trade him, we would’ve kept Darling with Raanta backing him up. Now I did think that trading Crawford might have netted the most value for Chicago for what they’d lose (compared to Seabrook, Sharp, and Bickell), but it’s really really hard to replace a clutch pyoff goalie, so I understand keeping him. I think Bickell is untradeable without keeping salary and Versteeg does have some value on the 3rd line for his $2M salary. If we can trade Sharp for the price of a solid defensemen and a resigning of Brad Richards I think that would be our best option.

  • B Squared

    At first glance, this is very disappointing. Loved Saad and was looking forward to seeing him play in a Hawks uniform for the next couple years. That being said, I think the point about him playing away from Toews is a really good point. Perhaps Saad is going to be a 35+ goal monster we regret moving… or perhaps he’s just another Troy Brouwer. Remember him? Remember how we all LOVED him after 2010? Aren’t we all glad now that we didn’t keep him around? Only time will tell whether this was or was not a good move.