Shadows Of The Empire – Scum vs Hawks Preview, Pregame Thread, Green Vomit Cleanup

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Game Time: 6:30PM Central
TV/Radio: NBCSN, TSN2, WGN-AM 720
Mos Eisley Cantina: Winging It In Motown, Abel to Yzerman

For the first time since Game 7 last may, the Red Wings will visit United Center ice. Between then and now, more than a couple events of note have happened, including the Wings’ long-awaited move to the Eastern Confrence so that the people of Detroit don’t have to stay up late watching their team and risk not being on time the next morning for the jobs they don’t have.

The thought behind the Wings’ move to the East was also that it might squeeze a last little bit of life out of what’s left of this core, considering that they took a record-setting Juggernaut to the brink last year. But things haven’t necessarily worked out that way. As the injuries have piled up, Scum now find themselves two points out of the final wild card playoff position in the east, which is truly an accomplishment in and of itself.

It hasn’t helped that both Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg have both been injured, and neither will play tonight. In an effort to fill that void at center, genius Ken Holland overpaid for the privilege of renting David Legwand’s unfortunate face. Johan Franzen has also missed substantial time, though he did recently publicly humiliate Chris Neil, marking the first positive contribution he’s made to society in his adult life. Darren Helm can’t get healthy either, despite apparently being the second coming of the messiah. What’s been left is a smattering of over-baked kids from Grand Rapids and the zombie criminal corpse of Todd Bertuzzi.

The blue line has been just as inauspicious, with Niklas Kronwall anchoring a unit (while flying through the air, an impressive feat) that sorely missed the contributions of Jonathan Ericsson. That basically tells anyone with a cursory knowledge of the situation just what state it’s in. Scum has gotten serviceable goaltending from Jimmy Howard, Jonas Gustavsson, and Petr Mrazec (who would like to buy a vowel) who are all hovering around a .915 save percentage. Carrying a barely positive Corsi share and only barely outshooting their opponents 30.4 to 29.6 is apparently enough to potentially sink this ship, especially with a lack of finishers up front because they’re all hurt.

As for our Men of Four Feathers, not only did they deserve to lose Friday night’s game because they essentially tanked Wednesday, they also deserved to lose it because they were sloppy against one of the teams in the league that will make you pay for it no matter how down on their luck they might be. With 15 to go and now 9 back of the Blues, dreams of the division are basically over. And the focus should be trying to overtake the Avs and at least get home ice in the first round anyway, since they’re still above the Hawks in the standings as well.

Marian Hossa figures to be back in the lineup today, and should that happen his presence will have a cascading effect down the lineup. Frankly any changes are welcome after seeing Michal Handzus and Ben Smith center Patrick Kane and Patrick Sharp at different times on Friday, and the thought that that will cut it against teams as strong down the middle as the Sharks is infuriatingly laughable. Even if Teuvo Time draws nearer and yes he’s all of 150lbs in full gear, he certainly can’t be any worse of an option than what Quenneville has had the temerity to pass off as a #2C for the majority of his time in Chicago.

Once again, this is a floundering Scum squad and should by all rights be mercilessly stomped by this Hawks team, especially with Hossa back. But Mike Babcock has a habit of making Joel Quenneville look stupid, and the Hawks can ill-afford any more pissed away points at this stage of the season. Do your fucking jobs. Let’s go Hawks.

  • Accipiter

    Hi ! Where’s HIBLD ?

  • Accipiter

    Bertuzzi ain’t playing either.

  • Accipiter

    Teuvo is listed at 5’10″-5’11″ and somewhere between 170-185lbs.

    • Z-man19

      Hi ‘cip. Mind if I join you?

      • Accipiter

        Ziggy.
        Pull up a chair.

        • Z-man19

          Just finished reading The Indian. You get one

    • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Killion

      Key word there is “listed”

      • Accipiter

        He weighs more than a buck fifty.

        • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Killion

          Perhaps. But he’s definitely still on the small side.

          • 10thMountainFire

            So was Kane.

          • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Killion

            As a center, Tivo’s going to have a lot more of physical game ahead of him that Kane was able to avoid.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That’s fair. So you place Hossa on his right and Sharp on his left, leaving him somewhat able to avoid being pounded in his own end at least, right?

          • Bannerman

            Put him between Kane and Versteeg and they’ll be so small and fast no one will even be able to see them.

          • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Killion

            I’m guessing you were a fan of going with all skinny guys on the old NES hockey game, huh?

          • Bannerman

            I’m more of an Intelevision hockey guy

          • Bannerman
          • Accipiter

            Going into the corners takes on a new meaning.

          • Accipiter

            All they can do is put him in the line up and see how he does. If he doesn’t help the team, chances are he won’t play.

          • Z-man19

            Bollig? Couldn’t resist

          • Accipiter

            If Bollig were trying out for 2C (assuming that is where TT is slotted) he would not get to play.

          • Z-man19

            If Q tries Bollig at 2C, you’re the pivot for life

          • birdhead

            never happen

          • laaarmer

            It’s not Tivo
            It’s…..
            Teupac

          • Accipiter

            No question, he is not very big. He is bigger than he was on the day he was drafted, though.

            http://eurohockey.com/player/499734-teuvo-tervinen.html

  • amontesawesome

    I was lukewarm on True Detective, but I have to say, being a hockey fan makes me feel like Rust Cohle. “Time is a flat circle and everything we’ve ever done, or will do, we will do over and over and over again.”

    Beats/various people in the Twitterverse worried about a lack of Hawks offense the last month or so? Hawks are shooting 7.2% in the 20ish games of 2014 compared to 9.9 over the full 67.
    Who are among the most maligned Hawks at the moment? Bickell, Handzus, Versteeg. Their PDOs? Respectively 940, 978, 984.

    Hawks offense has dried up! Versteeg sucks! Bickell’s contract is an albatross! Handzus is done!

    Given how accessible this information has become you would think that people would learn about this stuff. Particularly those employed by media outlets and are paid specifically to cover hockey.

    • Accipiter

      More of a Nietzsche quote, but Rust Cohle was a great character in the show.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    Shit, I must be one of the most honest mutha fuckers on the planet! Trust, me the Hawks got this shit and walk away from the ledge.

    • Z-man19

      Got what? Are you predicting a Cup win?

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        I was going after the knowing how to win and overcome thing actually, which SHOULD lead to another one!

        • Z-man19

          Figure out lines 2 and 3 and I concur

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Fuck that shit.

  • ToewsCheatCode

    “Do your fucking jobs.”

    Yeah, that’d be nice. Here’s hoping.

    • 10thMountainFire

      110 point pace. I’d say they’ve been doing their jobs.

      • Hawkeytalk

        NOT GOOD ENOUGH

  • 10thMountainFire

    ‘Even if Teuvo Time draws nearer and yes he’s all of 150lbs in full gear, he certainly can’t be any worse of an option than what Quenneville has had the temerity to pass off as a #2C for the majority of his time in Chicago.’

    At the risk of stepping into the realm of the Q-pologists with both feet, I don’t really understand this statement. Options for Q are what team personnel management in the general manager’s office provide him, correct? So, Pirri aside, who has been provided by the GM office as a solution to the 2C spot that Q has been unwilling to give a chance? Kruger, maybe? He was there for a bit last season. Bolland? Same. This season: Pirri, Kruger, Shaw? What alternative am I missing that Q hasn’t given an opportunity to play 2C this season?

    I remember not-so-fondly the provisioning of Kane and Saad there for stints/try-outs as well. So aside from Teuvo, who on the roster would you rather see at 2C right now that Q isn’t slotting there?

    • VerStig

      In fairness, the past couple years have seen even worse choices at 2C… but what I’m wondering is why Ben Smith gets a look over Kruger. Not a knock on the guy but just seems like a more logical choice.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Maybe because Kruger has been so effective on that fourth line that, especially with Hossa out, the reliance on that line to provide a bit of offense made it difficult the last few weeks to push up Kruger? Not sure if there’s another reason but I agree that with 16 at 2C for a bit. There has to be a reason he didn’t push up, though.

  • Hawkeytalk

    Are the lines really as posted in the Indian?
    23 19 81
    29 26 88
    10 65 20
    Human shield

    I mean, barf.

    This is when the blender comes in handy.

    • Arctic Ice

      Maybe Q just picks numbers out of a jar like bingo.

      • Z-man19

        B4

        • Preacher

          2B? Or not.

  • birdhead

    Saad-Kane-Hossa
    Sharp-Toews-Versteeg

    I’d watch it. *cat amongst pigeons*

    • birdhead

      Oops that was supposed to be to XMF below. Never mind.

      • Z-man19

        You could edit

        • birdhead

          I’m kaner-lazy today

          • Accipiter

            So, not lazy at all ?

          • birdhead

            Using my energy on my actual job instead of things that please my fanbase …

          • birdhead

            (that doesn’t quite make the funny I was going for)

          • 1benmenno

            why are you working on a Sunday? Only teachers work on Sunday

          • birdhead

            mutter mutter Monday mutter

      • 10thMountainFire

        You just don’t love me anymore.

        • birdhead

          Of course I do, buddy, but you know: laziness.

          • 10thMountainFire

            There are trade rumors, you know.

    • birdhead

      I mean, seriously, that leaves Shaw-Handzus-Bickell and Bollig-Kruger-Smith, both of which are acceptable to me AND it fits under the cap AND THEY’LL NEVER SEE IT COMING! Which I’m sure Sun Tzu or someone thought was a good idea. *crazy eyes*

      (Please let TT be a perfect fit at 2C. This is driving me up the wall.)

  • Cracked Reporter

    Speaking of Teuvo, according to eurohockey.com, Jokerit slipped to seventh place in their final regular season game, and then they were swept in the best-of 3 pre-playoff series, so their season is ovah . . .

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Yeah…we knew that in the last thread. Don’t go in there…there’s *ectoplasm* all over the place.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        Whom is this Tebo character you speak of?

  • birdhead

    Good news! The Hurricanes lost! the Hawks have at least a chance at a win!

    • Z-man19

      This is clearly causing issues for the Hawks, you need to find a different second team

      • birdhead

        I like them though :( they have great commentary and Staals and I like watching Skinner and Semin a lot. Admittedly their defense and goaltending is a bit of a black hole.

  • Stockroom Snail

    I’ve been rebuying games for my N64 this week, and you bet your sweeet sweeeet ass I bought Shadows of the Empire.

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    Hey, guess what? If you guessed something about me being in the Raleigh NC airport and having a beer with Reverend Jesse Jackson, watching Kentucky and Florida play basketball, then yup. Figured it was a good occasion to pretend I like basketball. I told him I thought Peverly is stronger than LeBron. Nah, I didn’t. We did talk a bunch about basketball and hockey, though, and Canada. (I was drinking the beer, Reverend Jackson was drinking lemonade.)

    • Accipiter

      What does he think about Corsi ?

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        He’s down with it (his words). He thinks it’s far better than old-timely stats like plus/minus, but he says like any numbers game, you gotta be cautious, and never forget there are actual humans behind those maths.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I once sat next to Paul Konerko at Navy Pier’s IMAX while seeing The Dark Knight.

    • Z-man19

      Did you ask him to read Green Eggs and Ham?

  • birdhead

    Two goals for The Jimmy and two assists for Pirri on them in today’s Cats vs Nucks game.

    • 1benmenno

      Unfortunately, Pirri fails to score in shootout against Lack; so Luongo loses.

      • birdhead

        boo :(

      • Accipiter

        Lu has never beaten the Canucks.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          I beg to differ

          • Hawkeytalk

            June 2011.

        • 10thMountainFire

          But hasn’t he, though? Hasn’t… he?

          • Accipiter

            Not at hockey. They are the only team he doesn’t have a win against. Granite, your write about teh other win.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m sure he stretching out on a beach enjoying the show.

  • birdhead

    Is there a way to tell your boss that if they’d read the email you sent asking for material they wouldn’t be surprised that the material is for the website and need to make a bunch of retractions? Asking for a friend.

  • DuHawk

    Hello friends.

    • CozBullsFan

      Du

      • DuHawk

        Cozby.

      • Z-man19

        Cowbell

        • CozBullsFan

          Z.

    • Z-man19

      Du baby

      • DuHawk

        Zed.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Do we have the confirmations that The Hossa has returned?

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      He was never really gone, just performing awesomeness elsewhere.

      • 10thMountainFire

        The man can only do so much. Between saving civilization and winning multiple Cups, I can’t blame him for needing to take a knee.

        That said, even God rested on Sunday. The Hossa? Nope.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        Why do you think Russia hasn’t taken the rest of Ukraine.

    • Z-man19

      Kuc has confirmed

      • 10thMountainFire

        He returns!!!

  • Z-man19
    • Z-man19
      • birdhead

        blech that kind of talk makes me nervous. poor kid.

        • Z-man19

          That’d be really awful to be 20 and having a veteran say that, it’d be much better if Zus said ‘Teu, who?, who the fuck is that, he’s shitty’.

          • birdhead

            come on now, you don’t think that’s raising expectations a whole heap?

          • Z-man19

            He’ll either make it or he won’t, what Zus said will have ZERO impact on it.

          • birdhead
          • birdhead

            Tongue-in-cheek. But don’t you think the pressure on Lack lately might relate to him playing less well than he had been lately?

          • Z-man19

            The comparison is not a great one. TT is not replacing the best 2C this team has ever had, nor is this team the flying pig circus Van is. Having said that, if Lack is playing poorly due to the ‘pressure’ he’s under, I think people are making excuses for him and the team in front of him.

          • birdhead

            OK. Is it possible to manage humans badly? Doesn’t placing unrealistic expectations on them make the fanbase likely to react badly to them, and doesn’t that make it difficult for them to do their jobs?

            I am not a huge believer in blah-blah about off-ice issues affecting on-ice performance generally, but people are human and this kind of thing can affect how you do your job, imo.

          • Z-man19

            Possibly, but I think it gets used as an excuse for failure.

            What are our expectations for TT? Does he have to be Kane or Hossa? No, just be better than Zus or Regin. I don’t think anyone expects him to be Toews 2.5.

          • Accipiter

            Saad is 20.

          • Z-man19

            Lost Cause

          • 10thMountainFire

            Man child.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Heh.

        • 1benmenno

          I hope that poor kid comes in and takes Handzus’s job.

          • birdhead

            me too!

  • waylon

    No matter what Franzen says about fighting, he’ll always be a cheap – shotting skullf-ck. And after each cheap shot, guy never drops the gloves when he honestly deserves to be tuned up. I don’t like the fighting aspect for the most part, but his comments are hypocritical.

    • Hawkeytalk

      +1 for the use of “tuned up” when talking about any scum player.

  • Arctic Ice

    I think rooting for the Sens to win is a first for me.

    • Accipiter

      It isn’t working.

      • Arctic Ice

        Noted.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Dear Hawks, if you can’t get up for this, start playing for a better draft pick.

    • Accipiter

      Nah, it’s a weak draft.

    • Arctic Ice

      McDavid in 15

  • 10thMountainFire

    HOSSA!

  • 10thMountainFire
  • ballyb11

    Who cares about home ice advantage. Not important.