• ‘hawks58

    The only way Saad leaves is if the Hawks insist on drastically lowballing him, and a team offers a ridiculous offer sheet (over $5M per for 7 years).

    Bickell took less than he could have gotten on the open market, as have Keith, Seabrook, Toews, and Kane. He won’t be cheap, but playing with three of the best players in the world (who you already know) is a damn good selling point if the money is close.

    • SuperHawk27

      As StanBo has said in the past. It’s easier to give a star what he is worth, than it is to find a star.

      • CurvedBlade

        He also said they loved Leddy and he would be a hawk for life.

    • cza

      Why would that sheet be ridiculous (aside from the loss of pick on top of it)? I think Saad is definitely getting at least five million, and probably closer to six. He’s worth far, far more than Bickell, and is definitely worth Patrick Sharp money. Players don’t discount themselves that much.

      • ZigZags82

        Saad’s not getting that much on a bridge deal. He’s 22 and he may be worth it, but 4-5 is more his range for right now before the cap increase. It’s a significant raise from what he has now.

      • CurvedBlade

        I agree with this. Seven years is also not ridiculous for someone that young. The hawks have a long history of signing franchise players for their entire careers. Saad would only be 29-30 in 7 years. Well within his prime.

        5 million is good money for a 22 year old. But in 7 years, with a much higher cap it would be a bargain for him.

        You know the offer sheet is on Stan’s desk right now. He just can’t show it until July 1.

  • SuperHawk27

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/is-marian-hossa-a-hall-of-famer/

    This is a great article. I’m not sure if there is a person out there who doesn’t, at the minimum, respect Hossa as a player. Most people seem to love him. I think he is an easy choice and a great representation of how hockey should be played. The Hockey Hall of Fame will be lucky to have him.

    • GoldenJet

      Versteeg on Hossa: “See him with his shirt off. He’s a Greek god. Like a statue.”
      Reporter: “He’s not Greek.”
      Versteeg: “A big, Slovak god.”

      Slam dunk HOF’er

    • Brandon Murray

      Good read although I tend to stay away from anything associated with Bill Simmons because well he is a mega-douche. Anyway, the hockey HOF is weird man. I’ve never really understood it’s metrics. I mean in the MLB you crank out 500 HR or 3000 hits and you’re in. In the NFL you could score 100 TD and rush for 10K or win a couple SB and you’re in, but in the NHL it isn’t that easy.

      I like the idea that 500 goals and over 1000 points should be a lock. Honestly when Hoss walks away with 500+ goals and 1000+ points and 2 or more Cups, it seems like a no brainer to me. Then again, I think Roenick is very deserving (even without a Cup) as one of the best American born players of all time but he may never get in, so who knows?

      • ZigZags82

        Well at least *3 Cups in the next few days……….

    • cza

      Arguing with a straw man. Who out there really thinks Hossa isn’t going to the HOF? Or thinks of him as an afterthought after quickly name checking Toews, Kane, and Keith? He’s who you think of first, partly because he’s the closest.

    • ZigZags82

      Awful article actually to even put it into question. Typical Grantland shit writing.

      • SuperHawk27

        Eh, you know what they say about opinions…..

  • Bannerman

    Tampa acts a lot like they won game 4

    • Sopel the catfish

      Haven’t you heard? They actually won the cup on Monday night and Hedman is the greatest player to ever win the Conn Smythe

      • GoldenJet

        Heard them talking on NHL Network this morning that Hedman should be strongly considered…win or lose. Fuck that.

        • Sopel the catfish

          I’ll consider him for it the same way I “consider” ordering salad. Fuck that.

          • Jim

            gorilla salad

          • Lionel Hutz

            Lead salad?

        • Jim

          You mean if Hawks win the cup, Hedman gets the Conn Smythe? Ahh….no…..that would go to Duncan Keith.

          • ZigZags82

            Lol it would be nice if the Hawks could embarrass him too here. I think they will. Duncan Keith is getting it and the Cup.

        • ZigZags82

          Lmao. Hawks take this Cup, which they are, it’s Duncan Keith no doubt.

    • Ryan

      I think it’s more that they felt the Hawks were unworthy winners of Game 4.

      It’s like they don’t remember they had no business winning Game 3, but for two missed open nets and a game winning goal that was the result of two stupid penalties in a row (and that happened to ricochet off an opposing player’s stick).

      As I’ve said elsewhere, all 4 games have arguably been won by the teams that didn’t deserve it. If the Hawks can get their best performances in the next 2 or 3 games, they should be fine.

      • ZigZags82

        Let TB lament.

        Hawks will be putting on their best performances and hoisting on Monday night.

    • Jim

      That’s what the Hawks will do to teams.

      Kessler still muttering about how Anaheim should have won, just like the Wild before them…

      • Brandon Murray

        Kessler confused as to why game 8 of the WCF hasn’t dropped the puck yet

      • ZigZags82

        All this teams so smug against the Hawks. God this Cup is gonna be so sweet.

        • Jim

          I think Q has a formula. He plays rope a dope for 4 Games, willing to lose a couple. He tries different things, and figures out the other team, without tipping his own hand too much. Then, Games 5-7 they go full out exploit on the other team.

          Against Anaheim, the absolutely clowned them in Game 6.

          *This only works when you have a bunch of future hall of famers.
          *Sometimes they accidentally sweep, like with the Wild
          *Sometimes the other team gets some puck luck (Kings, Game 7, Vancouver Game 7)

          • unkind

            i like to believe this.

          • ZigZags82

            They do have some adjustments and dial ups up their sleeves to take advantage. I agree. Hawks are getting this 3rd Cup done. (Monday night)

          • I hope you’re right my friend. I want to go with the idea we win we take the cup, not we are fighting to stave off eliminiation

          • CurvedBlade

            Usually you make so much sense. Now the hawks are toying with opponents, waiting for an elimination game to spring their trap?

            My theory is the ducks burned themselves out playing that up-tempo chase, and physically/mentally were burned out by game 6. Might happen to tampa as well.

            Just ask Eddie O. Supposedly those race horses are tired for weeks after a big race.

          • Well I don’t think losing game 5 was part of the plan against ANA. Remember they got screwed by that terrible start and then rallied.

            I think the general point is that it takes 3-4 games to learn how to exploit teams.

            To a certain extent I think that’s why there’s this notion they can turn it on. I don’t think it’s so much turning it on as it is they are able to finally study the same opponent for a period of time and then exploit them via skill.

          • Jim

            It was a slow news day 🙂

            There is a huge disparity in Q’s record in Games 1-3, than in Games 4-7, there must be a reason why. It is not a small sample, we are talking about 60 playoff games. You could be right, the Hawks just wear teams down. The Hawks have Toews and Keith and Kane. We will soon see. It will be interesting to see if Q has a new look to throw at them, and force them to call an audible. If Tampa opens it up, then the Hawks can get odd man rushes. If Tampa sits back, we get a duplicate of Game 4. Remember Game 4 the Hawks hit 2 posts and a crossbar, it could have been a blowout.

    • ZigZags82

      Every team Hawks have played has this smug attitude about them. Let them think it lol. Can’t wait to see the Hawks take the Cup.

  • Sopel the catfish

    Of course every team would be interested in getting the Man Child, you’d have to be a complete moron to not want him on your team. Bad news for the other 29 teams is he ain’t goin’ nowhere.

    • Brandon Murray

      #PayBrandonSaad
      #MuchoDinero4ManChild

      I honestly don’t care what it takes. Saad is critical to the future of this franchise and eserves a healthy raise. Even if it is a bridge contract for 2 and then a fat payday. Please for the love of God do not let the Penguins get their flippers on him. Because their flippers smell like fish.

      • Sopel the catfish
        • cza

          The most evil thing you’ll ever encounter, in fact.

        • HawkIPA

          Maybe Stan can come to an understanding with the Penguins along the lines of, “Don’t screw us over with an offer sheet for Saad, you’re not getting him, but let’s work something out for Patrick Sharp.”

          • Sopel the catfish

            Sharp for Matta!

          • CurvedBlade

            What kind of idiot would rather have a $6 million Sharp instead of a $5 million Saad? I’m afraid it is going to be impossible to move Sharp because of the high cap hit.

      • rm

        is that the case even if someone like Pitt wants to overpay?

  • Any GM who even thinks about offer sheeting Saad is gonna wake up next to a goddamn horse head in their bed.

    • GoldenJet

      http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/10/would-pittsburgh-really-make-a-play-for-brandon-saad/

      Pretty doubtful Saad goes anywhere else…although that depends on how strongly he’d want to go play in front of the hometown crowd in Pitt.

      Hawks should be able to sign him to a deal that takes into account the rising salary cap and Hossa’s declining cap hit over the last few years of his deal…as long as Hoss doesn’t retire anytime soon…which isn’t likely.

      • Sopel the catfish

        Hossa’s cap hit doesn’t go down, just the actual $ he gets per year

        • GoldenJet

          Well, fuck me…I need to learn how this shit actually works before I spout off…

          • Sopel the catfish

            Yea, not quite the same as NFL cap, the average annual value (AAV) of the contract is what counts against the cap. Not entirely sure how extensions work since Crow, Kane, and Toews each signed them but their value didn’t kick in right away. StanBo needs to sign Saad to a cap friendly 2 year deal, and immediately after with a wink and a nudge give him an extension $$$$ circumvent that cap baby

          • Joe

            I am hoping for the 2 year bridge deal somewhere in the $4 mil range. But you can’t sign a player to a another deal until the summer before their final year. So, two year this offseason, then a long term next year that would kick in the start of the 2017-18 season.

          • Sopel the catfish

            One thing I never understood was since Kane and Toews do Chevy commercials, what would prevent Saad from doing some very very lucrative Binny’s commercials?

          • GoldenJet

            This something that I’ve thought about too. How much oversight is there if a player signs a sweetheart deal…then suddenly has a $4mil condo in Trump Tower, a $2mil boat in the Bahamas to go with a $4mil beach cabana…all in his parents’, sister’s, best friend’s name.

            Or signs that ridiculous Binny’s deal, or is given a car dealership…

            Seems like there are probably some backroom deals that happen…How could they not?

          • DJ

            Not sure if it’s a league rule, or merely custom, but you don’t see active players advertising alcohol or alcohol-connected enterprises.

          • Sopel the catfish

            Rocky has plenty of other business that could use a bearded manbeast as a spokesman.

          • DJ

            Doesn’t even need to be one of Rocky’s businesses. The Hawks have plenty of sponsors, and some high-end ones, too.

          • GoldenJet

            yep

          • GoldenJet

            Whoops…wrong location

          • ZigZags82

            He just may after winning this 3rd Cup.

          • ky-jellydonuts

            This is just a random guess, and I don’t know if it’s a league thing, but I’ve never seen a current player in a Binny’s commercial just like I haven’t seen an active NHL captain in those Captain Morgan commercials.

      • Uh, Hossa’s cap his doesn’t decline . . .

        • GoldenJet

          Uh, yes, I was alerted to my lack of knowledge nearly an hour before your post…

          • Oh well PARDON ME for not reading every post on the board before replying.

          • GoldenJet

            You just had to read one single follow-up post to mine. Just one.

    • Jim

      This is a non starter. But Stan is going to have to dig deep.

  • Sopel the catfish

    IN CASE YOU GUYS FORGOT THE HAWKS DEFENSE IS SO TIRED
    seriously these people are fucking morons

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=770708&navid=nhl:topheads

    • HawkIPA

      Much better is Lambert over at PD, who interrupts the Hedman worship to write a great article on Keith. It’s nothing we don’t already know–Fels has eloquently written up what Keith does for this team many times. It’s refreshing though to see a national writer like Lambert (who sometimes is insightful and other times is insufferable) shine a light on how extraordinary Keith’s playoffs have been.

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/on-duncan-keith-s-amazing-postseason–trending-topics-133338555.html

    • Jim

      Forgot to say the Kings did it last year riding Muzzin and Doughty,

      Also, Hedman is playing 27-28 a game also. Wonder what would happen if they rested Hedman more? You know what would happen, Chicago Goals.

      • ZigZags82

        There will be Chicago goals, and a Cup win either way.

    • ZigZags82

      Tired enough to win a 3rd Cup on Monday night, sure.

    • ballyb11

      Pretty reasonable article, IMHO.

  • jordyhawk

    So you’re talking about what? You’re talking about…bitching about that sale you shot, some son of a bitch that doesn’t want to buy, somebody that doesn’t want what you’re selling, some broad you’re trying to screw and so forth. Let’s talk about something important.

    Lines in practise per TM:

    10/19/81
    20/91/88
    23/80/86
    11/16/65

    Liking it.

    • HawkVision

      The Hammer of the Gods and Contra lines…If I’m Coop, I think I have to send Jaws (nickname I’m giving Hedman, based on the Bond villain, not the shark) out against Saad and Kane…in hopes that Sharp doesn’t awaken, and that Saad can be slowed somehow.
      REALLY really hope that, what appeared to be in game 4, a reinvigorated Sharp – back with 19 and 81, can finally do some good ol’ fashioned Sharp Shooter damage.

      • jordyhawk

        10 did show some life in game 4. I’m sure he’s on a mission given his gaffes in 2 and 3 and the strong likelihood he will not be back. Love to see him go out on a high (strike that, the highest) note.

        • ZigZags82

          Some goals, and winning a 3rd Cup on home ice in the United Center.

    • GoldenJet

      Me likey!

    • Lionel Hutz

      Makes the Kane line more dangerous and top line is still a monster with 19 and 81.

      • ZigZags82

        And 10. You’ll see.

        • Red Wedding Line reunited… Based off the piece in the tribune I think this should help Sharpie, as he’s going to be able to benefit from Toews/Hossa doing the grinding

    • rhodes

      I think those lines could do some damage. Hoping Q sticks with them and doesn’t try to get creative.

    • Jim

      +1

  • Aaeismacgychel

    In regards to offer sheets, the compensation is as follows based on the average annual salary offered the RFA player, and the team giving the offer sheet must have these picks available:
    1.83-3.65M: 2016 2nd Rd pick
    3.66M-5.47M: 2016 1st Rd pick + 2016 3rd Rd pick
    5.48M-7.31M: 2016 1st Rd pick + 2016 2nd Rd pick + 2016 3rd pick
    I think we’ll match anything up to 5M/yr no problem, but much more than that and while it’s crazy to say, I think we might have to let him walk. I mean if someone were to offer say $6M/yr or $6.5M/yr is that something we can really consider matching regardless of how talented he is? The best thing to do is to try tying him up before the offer sheet comes, because if other teams really want to mess with us, it’d be open season. Granted, they’d be gambling a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick, but at this point Saad is certainly worth that.

    • Lionel Hutz

      Thanks for posting.

      Pittsburgh does not have a second rounder this year. So you would only be able to go as high as 5.47m. I suppose they could acquire a second round pick somehow as well. Not sure of the all the dates here as to when offer sheets have to be in. Pittsburgh might have to overpay for the second rounder and not sure that is a good move. Overpay for a second and give up your top 3 picks for a guy?

      • jordyhawk

        I believe the pick has to be yours (i.e. the actual one you were assigned).

        • Oldfarthawkfan

          Correct however they can reacquire its own pick (from Toronto), and it would sill be considered it’s own. I don’t see how they can offer Saad the money anyways, they are paying Malkin and Crosby almost as much as Toews and Kane, and their depth is not nearly what the Hawks is. BTW Marc-Andre Fluery’s cap hit next year is $5.75 mil, only $250K less than Crow.

    • In addition to having the picks available they also need the cap space.

  • The_Cheeb

    Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many RFA offer sheets any given team can submit each off season?

    • Aaeismacgychel

      The only limiting factors to offer sheets is the team must have the total number of picks that they are offering available and must have the total cap room available. So say a team has $10M cap available and all of their 2016 picks. They then offer sheet Saad for $5M/yr. That means they offer their 2016 1st and 3rd round picks and $5M of their Cap to be used. So say this team wants to put in another offer sheet. Well, while this team has $5M in cap left, they only have their 2016 2nd Round pick left. So they would not be allowed to make an offer in the 3.6M-5M range even though they have the cap room because their 1st Rd and 3rd Rd picks have already been offered. They could though make an offer in the 1.83M-3.65M range because they still have that 2nd Rd pick available to offer. Now say the Hawks match the Saad offer. Then that team gets back their 1st and 3rd Rd picks and their $5M in Cap and could offer sheet a different player for 3.65-5M as they now have their picks back to offer. Hope that makes sense.

  • B.I.G. Forever

    The SaadFather could be the best, recent crop player to come through the Hawks system. Mr. Bowman sees past Toews/Kane and Saad/Teuvo are great signs of a quality team for years to come.

    Crafty beers are in the fridge and I’m ready for the puck drop…GO HAWKS!

  • wardrums

    “We’re killing, killing, killing in the name of the Lord,
    I want to kill it with you” – Marcus Marley

    remind me of a funny story involving my two friends – the graf brothers. We were golfing one day and Dennis is singing Marley’s “we’re jamming, jamming, jamming in the name of the Lord,” the whole 18 holes. At one point his brother threatens to beat him if he doesn’t stop. He couldn’t, as once you get that song in your head, it kind of lingers.

  • DJ

    Bishop participating in Tampa Bay’s morning skate.