• Mosy9

    2013 Stanley Cup Champs. . .that is all

    • ChicagoNativeSon

      But wait – there’s more!

      • Mosy9

        I dont know if I can handle more! At least not until June of ’14.

  • cliffkoroll

    I got another one.

    Stan: he’s no Gar Forman!

    • HawkIPA

      The Bulls’ front office is amateur hour compared with the Hawks’.

      • chichicagochi

        Krause was the rull deal

        • Waylon

          yes, he was – for all the shit the players gave him, he was the one who built that team and made key trades for the players he wanted.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Fuck the NBA.

  • nextgame

    Here’s an interesting tidbit I read this morning…

    - from Frank Seravalli of the Phiadelphia Daily News,
    There’s a very good chance Ray Emery, who many believe is the Flyers’ No. 1 choice to work in tandem with Steve Mason next season, will soon re-sign with the Cup-champion Blackhawks to avoid hitting the market.
    Emery’s agent, J.P. Barry, met with the Blackhawks on Sunday night after the draft to discuss Emery. Terms of a deal had not been agreed upon yesterday, but the two sides are pretty confident that Emery can remain Corey Crawford’s backup next season.
    Teams can begin negotiating with free agents beginning tomorrow at noon. Contracts are not allowed to be signed until Friday at noon, when free agency officially opens.
    Emery, 30, was an astounding 17-1-0 with Chicago. The common thinking was that he’d be more interested in a raise from the $1.5 million he earned last season to compete for a starting job elsewhere. Apparently, capturing the Stanley Cup while playing a significant share of the games is enough to stay.
    Flyers management is now operating under the assumption that Emery will re-sign.
    So, with Emery crossed off the list, some believe the next likely target is free agent Tim Thomas, the 39-year-old former Cup winner who took last season off. Thomas spent the year with his family.

    Looks like Razor may stay here for a minimal raise and the chance to win more championships in lieu of a big payday. Good news if true.
    Now, if they can convince Rozsival to do the same and get Leddy resigned, our back end looks super solid for next season, which it will need to be with several new, young faces up front.
    [Full article here: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20130702_Goaltending_on_Holmgren_s_free-agent_list.html

    • Z-man19

      this is somewhat surprising

      • Paul the Fossil

        Yea. Seems like there are several teams where Emery could compete for an actual starting job or shared job.

        • Z-man19

          Unless he suddenly stinks next year, I could see Q splitting the starts pretty evenly, still a little surprising.

          • lizmcneill

            Maybe whatever his LBI was makes him think he’s not up to starter workload and he’d rather stick with the 1B thing?

          • chichicagochi

            Tis surprising… if it’s only a modest raise It’d be nice to see Corey nice and fresh in the post season again because of a light workload in the regular season.

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      What happens with raanta if he stays?

      • nextgame

        I would assume he’ll be the main man in Rockford, along with Carruth.
        If Emery does stay on, all of a sudden our goaltending depth doesn’t look to bad. That is assuming that Raanta and Carruth progress favorably.

      • lizmcneill

        Rock Vegas. capgeek has him on a 2-way contract.

      • Hags

        Stays in Rock Vegas for a year where Stan can keep close watch on him, and sign him to the big club if Crawford demands too much money.next summer.

    • HawkIPA

      Hmmm. Not sure what I think about this. Emery was fantastic, but I’d like to see Raanta get some work next season, especially if Crow plays himself into a larger contract than the Hawks can afford.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        The flip side, though, is that while Raanta was phenomenal in Europe he’ll need time to acclimate to the North American game. He needs starts, and he’ll get those in Rockford if he’s not backing up Crow…

      • Waylon

        Given what the Blue Jackets just did, if Crow has another season like this one, it’s buh – byee. GM’s around the league still seem to have their heads firmly up their asses regarding goalies, even with the cap going down. Unreal.

        • chichicagochi

          I don’t understand the thinking RE:Bob. The guy won a Vezina trophy on a terrible team, how is he not worth 5.5? There are a lot of ways to win, some teams build from the pipes out. You have to keep talent when you get it.

          • Waylon

            No, I understand why they gave him that kind of contract, because of their current market situation. But I don’t understand the philosophy of building from the net outward anymore, given the cap. I guess I just don’t believe in that kind of strategy anymore, since it doesn’t appear to have worked all that well recently.

          • JRF

            What else could they do? Let their best player (this year) walk, or have to try to match an offer sheet? The problem with goalie contracts isn’t the cap hit, its long term cap hit.

          • laaarmer

            Goalies are just another player on the team. If he’s the best player on your team, then that’s they way it is. New Jersey has been dealing with this. Quebec will be for a while. I mean Vrbata is a player and all, but Mike Smith is why they have limited success

          • chichicagochi

            It worked for LA just fine.

          • zacked

            No it didn’t, they haven’t even started to pay Quick yet. When they won (and this year), Quick made $1.8 and Bernier made $1.25.

          • chichicagochi

            Entry level deals. When you get talent you have to pay it. Not everyone can draft Toews/Kane Crosby/Malkin in consecutive years. Sometimes they draft goaltenders and sometimes those goaltenders are their best player.

          • zacked

            This’ll be my last post in this conversation because you seem to think this is about winning debate points by moving goalposts and not actually conversing.

            Waylon said this, “But I don’t understand the philosophy of building from the net outward anymore, given the cap.”

            He was talking about spending on goalies, unless I’m misreading him. You countered with “LA did it”. My point was simply that LA did not spend on it’s goalies when they won the cup. Obviously, a great goalie is better than a not-great goalie. The question, in a hard cap world, is about the use of resources. That is all I was responding to.

          • Bullitt315

            Boston spent on their goalie when they won the cup with Tim Thomas. There’s a lot of different ways to win the cup.

          • JRF

            I don’t get it either. It’s a two year contract for a Vezina winner, and he’ll still be a RFA when it’s up.

        • HawkIPA

          Yeah, another great season from Crow, and he’ll price himself out of town.

          There is a big disconnect between the realities of the cap, and the money being thrown around. Just look at the Letang negotiations.

          I bet after the frenzy is over, Bickell will look like a bargain.

          • Waylon

            I think you’ll be proven correct, just wait a few days and we’ll see some really zany stuff.

          • chichicagochi

            I think he’s already priced outta town.
            And then when he doesn’t have the best defensive squad in the league in front of him he’ll return to his middling numbers.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Emery, Leddy, Kruger, Rosey.

      If StanBo resigns them all under the cap, he should get his own action figure.

      The skeptic in me is wondering if Razor knows deep down that his hip would not survive a full season.

      • Waylon

        Yeah, that was my initial thought as well. He’d be fine as a back – up, but if he had to step in as a starter for any reason, yikes.

      • cliffkoroll

        Really- action figure status for that?

        C’mon- this is the simple blocking and tackling Stan needs to do to get to the starting line. Then he’ll have to actually do something that he might deserve real credit for.

        I’m not sure when I’ve seen a more vigorous managing expectations propaganda campaign.

  • laaarmer

    Mock yeah,
    ing yeah,
    Boyd Yeah

  • Black JEM

    Sounds like Horcoff may get bought out in Edmonton. I know some reports say no way. But if he hit the market would he command so much interest that he would cost more than 3Mil a year? He is 34 but he can still skate.

    • laaarmer

      Boyd Horcoff?

      • Black JEM

        More offensive upside than Boyd Gordon. And on a team that could score maybe a lot more. Not nearly as good at the face off dot though. He missed like a third of the season so not sure if he is physically OK.

        • laaarmer

          Not good at all defensively. Not at all. For 3 mil, if I was Rocky, I’d go with Pirri in this case and give myself the diff.

          • laaarmer

            The reason I say this is because Q will not play a guy that is not defensively responsible, unless he is named Kane.

          • lizmcneill

            LOL, Kaner’s sporadic backcheck and random attempts at checking people. At least he has improved from abysmal to just not great.

          • Black JEM

            Well there is that of course!! I just like a guy who has some offensive upside that could work well with Kane and Sharp or even Hossa and Sharp.

          • laaarmer

            I know what you mean, but Q….

          • cliffkoroll

            First two years, Kane was a -7.

            Last four years, he was a +41.

          • laaarmer

            Believe it or not, I know this, and I am not serious regarding Kane. I will think of a little “I’m kidding cliff” icon for you, so you don’t get riled up. Here it is.

            There once was a man from Mimico……

          • Black JEM

            I don’t think he is terrible – he has had a few years where it was iffy – was +8 in 31 games last year.

          • mazer_rackham

            “I’d go with Pirri”

            I knew it!

            Now we just have to get you to drink the Leblanc kool-aid. Hey, how about a nice refreshing cup of kool-aid?

          • laaarmer

            I am, in fact, not Rocky.

  • G Man

    Any of these centers an option for our ongoing gap on the #2 line? Anyone on this list that would fit our salary requirements for a legitimate shot to play for a cup in the best hockey city in the US?

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      Weiss maybe. He’s coming off of injury which, combined with the high supply of quality centers on the UFA market, may depress his market value. If so he’d slot nicely into the 2C role.

      Vinny would look AMAZING wearing an Indian head on his chest, but that only happens if he’s willing to take substantially less to chase a Cup w/ the ‘Hawks than what other teams might offer.

      • lizmcneill

        Weiss is FLA, right? 7th rounder to Uncle Dale for his rights? :P Is the injury history anything concerning?

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Yeah, Weiss is FLA. No point in sending a 7th rounder to Uncle Dale when teams are allowed to start talking to players tomorrow. And no, I don’t think the injury history is anything concerning – he suited up for at least 74 games every season from 2006-’07 through 2011-’12, this year he was simply unlucky and had to have season-ending surgery on a nagging wrist injury after only 17 games

    • cliffkoroll

      At those prices, I wonder if the Hawks could make a run at Toronto’s Bolland. $3.375 million cap hit. He could slot in on the 3rd line. Seems like a good fit.

      • laaarmer

        cliff, now would be a good time to take off the ring and let it go.

        It’s Brandon Pirri time.

        BTW – did you see the pic of Bolland on the plane with the inflatable?

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          Hahaha that’s a well done shop.

        • cliffkoroll

          Well, I’m a little slow sometimes but if, for example, the Hawks bring in Derek Roy at $4 million per year, somebody’s gonna need to explain the whole Stan is a Genius thing to me again.

          • laaarmer

            I will agree to that. BUT if he brings in Vinny and he lights up 50 with a +75………
            OR we could get Pirri with 10 or less and a minus
            Seriously though, isn’t Kruger the 2C?

          • Z-man19

            I concur

          • lizmcneill

            The Plan All Along! Hopefully if he is 2C Stan picks up another cheapish vet for 3C because Shaw there scares me.

          • Z-man19

            depends on how Q uses his 3rd line

          • laaarmer

            the 3rd will be used as a 4th
            1st as a 2nd
            4th as a 1st
            2nd as a 3rd
            It all depends where Krejci is…….

          • Z-man19

            actually it won’t if Pirri is 4C and fuck Krejci

          • lizmcneill

            If Shaw is centering it he’s used it as a 4th this year. Think we could do with more than Shaw and a rookie centering the bottom 2.

          • Z-man19

            I’d explain it to you, but I’m still waiting in line

        • VerStig

          Looks like Krieger’s gf

      • lizmcneill

        Too soon :(

      • laaarmer

        Does Bolland have to pass a physical? Did he already?

        • lizmcneill

          Think he has to in order to be traded.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Maybe he chews off a toe or two and fails?

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Hell of an endorsement for Hartman, of course, since the source is the Blackhawks website, I wonder if there were any negative scouting reports that missed the fax machine and deadline.

    • lizmcneill

      He’s very pretty for such a scrappy guy. Give it a few more years and his face will probably be as cut up as Shawsy’s.

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    Coloradob placed both hunwick and zanon on waivers. Two d men. Somethings a brewin over there…

    • lizmcneill

      Lucky they just drafted a top D prospect…oh wait.

      • laaarmer

        Leddy

        • 10thMountainFire

          This.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Sometimes you’re like watching chocolate collide with peanut butter

          • 10thMountainFire

            Mmmmmm Reese’s….

        • Accipiter

          for …

          • laaarmer

            #1 or 2 pick when they make him an offer.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Wait. You want to DEAL Leddy?

            What the…

          • laaarmer

            No I don’t want to deal Leddy, but they can make him an offer right?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Understood… you’re saying Colorado may make an offer. Got it.

  • lizmcneill

    Penguins are top heavy

    In other news, water is wet, grass is green and the Blackhawks are the best team in the NHL.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Wow, Bobrovsky got overpaid like a mofo. One good season and he gets over $5.5 per in a multi-year deal?

    I guess if you’re Columbus you really have no choice in the matter but that’s still a shit-ton of change for a still-unproven commodity. This makes Crow not only a deal but a damn steal.

    • JRF

      Not a bad deal for Columbus because it’s only 2 years. Compared to the Mike Smith contract, it’s a steal.

      • 10thMountainFire

        That Mike Smith money is ridiculous. Complete and total ridiculosity.

      • HawkIPA

        It makes no sense to throw that kind of money at a goalie long-term. Bobrovsky’s deal is justifiable, Smith’s is pure idiocy, and will be a big reason why Phoenix-Seattle-Kansas City-Hamilton-wherever will not be a serious contender for the foreseeable future.

    • chichicagochi

      That contract is perfect for both sides, and he won this thing called the Vezina on a team whose best Defenseman is -17

      Corey has had 1 good season, is he proven?

      • 10thMountainFire

        ‘Corey has had 1 good season.’

        That’s a fucking ridiculous statement. Fucking outrageous, actually. Did you watch hockey in 2010-2011?

        • chichicagochi

          It must be nice watching games with rose colored glasses. He made some good saves yes, but also sported a .917 and had a bunch of softies.

          Are you guys actually trying to assert that Corey is Vezina caliber?

          • 10thMountainFire

            If you are seriously telling me that Corey Crawford didn’t have a very good year in 2010-2011, you’re out of your mind.

            For most of the year, he was a solid Vezina/Calder candidate.

          • chichicagochi

            lolol sorry the rest of the hockey world disagrees with this homeristic statement

          • 10thMountainFire

            With all due respect, you’re flat-out wrong.

          • chichicagochi

            With all due respect, he didn’t get a Vezina nomination so I’m right.

          • zacked

            I don’t think “good” starts with a Vezina nomination. That would be “great”.

          • chichicagochi

            So has Bobrovsky still only had 1 good season by these new but but but Metrics you guys are using?

          • zacked

            I have no idea what you are talking about. By my personal standards, I’d say that both of them have had 1 good season, 1 poor season, and 1 very good season in the last 3 years. Bob’s best being better.

          • chichicagochi

            I guess for clarification I should say I only judge by good or bad.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I guess for clarification I should say that’s a ridiculous way to judge. Nuance and complexity may scare you a bit but they are not your enemies.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m not going to play that game.

            Pekka Rinne hasn’t won a Vezina. His save percentage was .910 this season. Rinne sucks?

          • 10thMountainFire

            You’re starting to really sound ridiculous. Go read my post again. I said he was a solid Vezina/Calder candidate for most of the year.

            He stumbled a bit toward the end, no doubt largely due to it being his first season and the fact that special teams sucked, Kaner was out for a period… and if memory serves so was Bollie and Toews.

          • HawkIPA

            He would’ve gotten one this season if he and Emery hadn’t both been so stellar during the regular season.

          • chichicagochi

            According to homerglasses? And still said he’s had 1 good season so not quite sure where you’re going with that argument.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Where we’re going with this argument is to tell you that if you think Crawford has only had ‘one good season’, you don’t know shit about hockey.

          • HawkIPA

            Jonathan Toews didn’t get a Hart nomination this year. That guy sucks.

          • chichicagochi

            I wasn’t the one who said Corey was a Vezina candidate

          • 10thMountainFire

            For a good part of 2010-2011, he was in the upper tier of NHL goaltenders. If you don’t agree on that, I can’t help you.

          • Why

            “Good part” and “upper tier” means what? If you only take his best games, he was in the top 1/3? Let’s be honest. Crawford played well enough in 2010-2011 to get a crack at being the starter. He was bad in 2011-2012. And he was pretty good in 2012-2013 and Conn Smyth worthy in the playoffs.

          • 10thMountainFire

            For most of the 2010-2011 season, Crow was legitimately in competition for the Calder and just outside the top 3 in the Vezina race. At one point, we had discussions at SCH about Crow being a legitimate Vezina candidate.

            And I wouldn’t say he was ‘bad’ in 2011-2012. He had some bad stretches but he was still a legitimate starting goaltender.

          • Why

            That was homer talk. Again, the Blackhawks finished third in the conference in scoring and snuck into the playoffs. It might not be all Crawford’s fault, but those aren’t Vezina winner numbers. And he was even more of a flopper at the time.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That’s patently false. Crow played very well that season.

            ‘Flopper’? Seriously?

            Did you watch the 2010-2011 season? Did you see Crow in net that season?

          • Why

            Yes. He was jerky in net. He had trouble locating the puck. He was more likely to get caught of position and have to flop (note: I’m not using flop in the pejorative sense of trying to draw penalties).

            I don’t want to attack Crawford. That man has come a long way from 2010-2011. It’s not easy to adjust to the speed of the NHL game and he was good enough in 2010-2011 to earn a shot at being the starter. But if you watch closely, he’s flat out better positionally than he was at the time.

          • 10thMountainFire

            ‘Jerky in net’?

            Those of you positing that Crow was less-than-average in 2010-2011 are straight-up wrong. Crow was good in 2010-2011. That’s fucking fact.

          • Why

            Yep. Opposite of smooth. As in “herky-jerky.”

          • 10thMountainFire

            I don’t even know why we’re discussing this anymore.

            If you don’t think Crow had a very good season in 2010-2011, I can’t do anything for you.

          • Why

            I’ve posted that I’m fine with calling that season pretty good and very good. Those are things I’ve wrote.

            You think Crawford was a legitimate Vezina candidate in 2010-2011. It’s not me that needs help on this one.

          • 10thMountainFire

            This entire discussion is stupid. You’re backtracking now. Flat-fucking-out you and another guy/girl posted that Crow has had only one good season. I said for A GOOD PART (look it up below) of 2010-2011 he was in the discussion for the Calder/Vezina. I did not say he was a finalist for the Vezina. I did not say he SHOULD HAVE BEEN a finalist for the Vezina.

            As with all threads. those that sound stupid often lengthen these discussions until the original thought is lost and then walk away claiming they said something else. You claimed Crow has had only one good year. I said that was stupid. Because it is. He had a good year in 2010-2011. And if you don’t agree, that’s fine. But you’re flat fucking wrong.

          • Why

            You can read my posts. Show me where I said that.

            I was also pretty sure you’d made a similar claim before:

            10thMountainFire • 4 days ago
            Corey Crawford honestly could have gotten Vezina consideration. If he played in the East, it’s likely he would have been a finalist in 2011 and 2013.

          • cliffkoroll

            I’ve been merciless on Crow, but I’m surprised anyoe thinks he didn’t have a good year in 2010-11. 0.917 and then 0.927 against Vancouver. Zero complaints, sir.

            Pretty good in 2012-13? Don’t slight our boy. 0.926 was #5 in the league for goalies with 30 games. Very good.

          • Why

            I have no problem with calling him very good in 2012-2013.

            But I’m kinda throwing the same semantic argument back at you as far as 2010-2011 goes. I also have zero complaints about the way he stepped in as a rookie. But “Vezina Worthy” is more than a stretch for a guy who might or not have been in the top half of the league at the time.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Then you didn’t watch hockey in 2010-2011.

          • cliffkoroll

            Yeah- Vezina Worthy..hmmm. You gonna have to take that up with XMF- next window over.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Not the entire year. But up until about March, Crow was often very, very, very good. His numbers until that period were very, very impressive.

          • amontesawesome

            I think you’re probably remembering his phenomenal February where he went 7-1-2 with a .932 save percentage.

            But his pre/post All Star game splits are pretty similar. He was slightly better pre with a .919 save percentage and .915 post.

            He was pretty good that season and admittedly I don’t remember the save percentages of other goalies at the break, but I can’t imagine a goalie with a .919 save percentage was in the Vezina discussion.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Those are still very good numbers. Like I said, he was in the discussion at one point. He was not a finalist… but those people here saying Crow ‘has only had one good year’ and denying his 2010-2011 season are either new to hockey and talking about shit they don’t know or are just trolling.

          • cliffkoroll

            “Ah, anything… in this general area, right in here. Anything, below the stereo, and on this side of the Bicentennial glasses. Anything between the ashtray, and the thimbles. Anything in this three inches. Right in here, this area, that includes the Chiclets, but not the erasers.”

            Not sure why I just thought of that.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Because you’re awesome.

          • Why

            My bad.

          • cliffkoroll

            Yeah but you said he had one good season. In 2010-11, he head a good season. What’s wrong with 0.917?

            I understand you need to get all the way up to 0.918 to enter ‘elite’ status, like Rask and Quick that year.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Heh.

          • 10thMountainFire

            …and Rinne.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Rinne was awesome that year.

            Rask was having his required Sophomore slump, which I have learned on the site that EVERY goalie has (SCIENCE!), even though they seldom do (SCIENCE’D!).

            Quick was having his Junior year slump, which only super-elite goalies get to have, or so I’ve read made-up.

            Interestingly, when you look at the World’s Greatest Goalie’s regular season career stats, they look rather pedestrian at best:

            http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471734

            It’s only in the playoffs that he’s been CLUTCH. Except for that one time…

          • 10thMountainFire

            You’re not redeemable on this issue.

            If you really don’t think Crow had a good season in 2010-2011, I advise you to get someone to assist you while you watch games.

      • Waylon

        If not for Crow in the year following the cup win, the Hawks do not make the playoffs. Also, he played fucking lights – out against VAN, and the Hawks could’ve easily beaten them in game 7.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I love you.

        • chichicagochi

          You can make if if if statements all you’d like, I’m not gonna argue hypotheticals.

          • 10thMountainFire

            When he eventually took the job from Turco, he was an above-average, almost ‘very good’ goaltender up through most of the year. When the team started losing its wheels in February/March, Crow was often the saving grace.

            You need to go back and look some things up if you’re going to assert such a rigid stance on this.

          • chichicagochi

            .917

          • cliffkoroll

            Dude, if you’re gonna troll, don’t suck at it.

            I’d be curious to know your idea of ‘proven’. Here’s Crawford’s career numbers:

            152 games 0.913, 37 playoff games 0.924, 1 Stanley Fucking Cup

            I presume you think Vezina Bobrovsky is proven based on your comment. He of the…wait for it…0.917 career SV% in 121 games, and tub-shittingly bad 0.848 in 7 post-season games.

            I’m guessing your list of ‘proven’ goaltenders is pretty small if you giggle at 0.917.

            Carey Price (0.915), Antti Niemi (0.917), and Mike Smith (0.913) all bask in your disdain.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Really? That’s your answer? .917 is your answer?

            So you’re a guy who sees an entire season of a goaltender defined by save percentage?

  • ExOnMS

    Anyone like the idea of Ribeiro being signed as a second line center? I can’t see him making much more than the 5 he made this past year.

    • RVWW

      If you’re asking me if I like the idea, the answer is no. He seems like a cancer (wife not withstanding).

      • ExOnMS

        I know he’s been labeled as a cancer, but that was on a team where your captain is Alex Ovechkin. The guy has no leadership qualities.

        I think things would be different on a team with the kind of character the Hawks have. Maybe not, but with his talent, I think it’d be worth a look.

        • RVWW

          I’d rather see a grinding vet who makes occasionaly plays and brings tons of heart to the team like Zus, over a talented, former-Ovis-bitch come in like a primadonna and potentially messing up the room. Witness: Stalberg.

          • RVWW

            I hope you enjoy my terribly written post, also. Too much coffee.

          • lizmcneill

            Agreed. When you see the great leadership of Toews, the As, Hossa, even Kaner, who have actual skills, it makes Stals’ whining and entitlement look really bad.

          • ExOnMS

            I agree it looks bad, but I think it also masks it in a way. The reason Rieiro looked so bad was because there was no leadership to tell him to shut up.

          • lizmcneill

            Yeah, that could be a factor, but why set up trouble for Toews etc down the road. Plus you get the room stuff bleeding over into the hockey, it’s why Carcillo plays and Stals gets benched, Q has his favourites.

          • HawkIPA

            Yeah, we don’t need to throw a bunch of money at someone who will probably be in Q’s doghouse come playoff time. StanBo will pass on this one.

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          Ribiero is a complete defensive liability and he eants a long term contact (he turned down 3 years 15mil from the caps). Also a black hole at even strength.

          • JRF

            The problem I would have with it is the contract. He wants 5 years at $5m per. Somebody will probably give him that, and it won’t be the Hawks.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I think Sam brought up this idea just prior to last season. Ribeiro is definitely a douchebag but on most days, fans would be happy to have a guy like him as ‘their’ douchebag. For the Hawks, specifically, I say ‘no’. I don’t like the guy. That isn’t to say he wouldn’t be a valuable piece centering that second line but there’s a difference between pesty and douchey. Ribeiro is douchey.

      • Waylon

        No, there’s a pesty – like presence and then there’s a whole Burrows – kind of vibe. Hate the guy.

        • ExOnMS

          I was just talking to a buddy who called Ribeiro “Burrows-esque” I really don’t think he is THAT bad, but you’re right there is a difference.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Fuck Burrows.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I am also not a fan.

        • Why

          I don’t buy Ribeiro as pesky. That’s a guy with loads of talent that no one wants, seems to go half speed most of the time and never wins anything.

    • Fleshrifle

      The second thing I’m looking at in C is ‘can he win a face-off’ (first is talent). Next is price. Ribie has a talent, but isn’t great on face-offs and is coming in overpriced. No thanks.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I don’t want Mike Ribeiro wearing an Indianhead sweater. I’ll be up front about that. He’s been a real shithead and I don’t think he’s worth it for the money he’s commanding… especially when we’re missing the defensive-minded 3C we maintained for the last 5+ years.

  • jackattack

    Just a thought… When David Clarkson signs for around $5.25 mil, how much better will everyone feel about the Bickell signing?

    • 10thMountainFire

      Objection, your Honor. Leading the witness.

      • jackattack

        “Sustained. Rephrase the question counselor.”

        “If David Clarkson signs a contract worth over a million more than Bryan Bickell’s contract, how would you feel? And on a related note, how big of a twat is Mike Ribeiro?

        • 10thMountainFire

          Sometimes I feel tired. Many times I feel awesome. Most days I like to feel awesome.

      • DesertHawk

        Is that leading? Couldn’t I say none better?

        • 10thMountainFire

          You could say that.

    • Joe Banks

      Pretty good.

    • Why

      I was ok with it at the time. I was very surprised when people were slotting Bickell at 3.0 and Leddy at 2.0.

  • BanjoLegs

    So there’s rumblings on the tweeterbox that Ray Emery might be staying in the Indianhead for a bit longer.

    • ExOnMS

      What was the point of Raanta then? Any word on how much?

      • BanjoLegs

        I’ve yet to see it from anyone real yet, but the word on the street is 3 years, 1.5 per. Which, I actually would kinda love.

        • HawkIPA

          3 years is too long for Emery. I’d rather have him on a one-year deal while grooming Raanta for an eventual starting role.

          • ExOnMS

            Which could be after this season, which is why resigning Emery makes no sense. I like the guy, but for 3 years re they assuming that if we lose out on Crawford, Emery is our starter for the last two years of his deal while Raanta backs him up?

          • chichicagochi

            Crawford is due for a large raise, Emery is serviceable if our prospects need time.

          • ExOnMS

            You would be comfortable with Emery/Raanta as the goalie combo in two years?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Uh….

            Ummmmmm.

            No.

          • ExOnMS

            Right, but if we sign Emery for 3 years and then can’t resign Crawford that’s what we’ll be stuck with.

            At least if we have Raanta up this year, starting in 20-30 games, management should have an idea if he’d be able to take over the starting job or not.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Emery isn’t coming back. Thanks for the memories, have a good time in… Calgary.

          • ExOnMS

            I hope you’re right and these twitter rumours are false.

            When have twitter rumours ever been false though??

          • Joe Banks

            Ray has always been lights out in the Saddle Dome.
            And the lights are out in the Saddle Dome.
            Dwayne? Dwayne who?
            Dwayne the bathtub, I’m Dwowning!

          • ExOnMS

            I like Emery, don’t get me wrong, I would just rather see Raanta get time as the back up this season.

          • chichicagochi

            Possibly…. We were comfortable with Crawford/Turco weren’t we?

          • laaarmer

            no

          • ExOnMS

            I wasn’t

          • chichicagochi

            Sorry, was moreso meaning royal we as in Blackhawks management. It doesn’t really matter what I personally think… I’m trying to give their reasoning.

          • ExOnMS

            Got ya. Just wouldn’t make sense to me paying Raanta a million bucks to sit in Rockford waiting to back up Emery.

          • chichicagochi

            Or they could be trying to assess his talent and acclimation to the NA game

          • ExOnMS

            But if you’re planning on not having Crow after this year, wouldn’t you want to assess his talent at the NHL level?

          • chichicagochi

            Yeah, ideally.
            TBH I personally don’t want Emery back, just trying to use their reasoning.

          • zacked

            His contract is a two-way.

          • 10thMountainFire

            No.

          • chichicagochi

            Why not? In the other comment thread you assert Corey had a Vezina season.

          • Joe Banks

            I do not recall any comfort then…

          • 10thMountainFire

            Evidence: The Hawks let Turco go.

            Comfort level: low.

          • Z-man19

            Then it becomes a competition between Ray and Raanta

        • zacked

          No way would I ever sign Ray Emery’s Bo Jackson Hip to more than a 1 year deal, even if it’s for low dollars. Hell, I don’t really want him for 1 year, since I’d like to see Raanta get a shot.

          Results notwithstanding, I thought Ray was a poor goalie overall this year. I can’t count the times he was 8 miles out of position only to have his D bail him out.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Whoa. Wait. ‘Poor goalie’?

            WTF is going on here today?

          • zacked

            Listen to the Chair Leg of Truth. It does not lie.

          • steeg of their own

            Can you imagine what it would be like if Spider Jerusalem covered hockey?

          • zacked

            So much swearing. And Jeremy Jacobs would be roasted alive.

          • steeg of their own

            It would be glorious!

          • ExOnMS

            Ray Emery was anything but poor this season. He would have been the number 1 on plenty of teams. I don’t think we should resign him, but it isn’t because he was a poor goalie.

          • HawkIPA

            Ray’s stats were probably a bit high, but in no way was he “poor.” The Calgary game was the best display of skill in net by either goalie this season. He did everything that was asked of him, and much more.

          • zacked

            He was superb in the Calgary game. It was also 1 game. Obviously, his results were excellent. If I had not watched the majority of his games, I would think he had an excellent season. Having watched them, I think the process was poor, and the future results will be poor.

          • ExOnMS

            What process?

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Ray worked his ass off in the Calgary game, but pretty sure they still should’ve scored 5 goals if not for Calgary completely whiffing on a handful of prime chances.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Hmmm. Yet he had eerily similar numbers to Crawford’s, but with a 17-1 record.

          • zacked

            I think you know that I’m all about the numbers. You also know that numbers need the proper context. It’s quite possible that that selection bias is coloring my opinion of Emery, but I don’t think I have any reason to be against him. See the post below this one.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Yeah, wasn’t meant as a knock on your position, just an observation how we – myself included – are biased when it comes to the way we discuss Emery and Crow.

          • zacked

            I don’t understand the point? What does wins have to do with anything?

          • Why

            Wins aren’t a perfect metric but they show that a goalie is making the saves when they count. Goals aren’t all created equal.

          • zacked

            No, they really don’t.

          • laaarmer

            wins? What about the other numbers?

          • cliffkoroll

            TWTW?

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Since all the comments are jumbled, I was replying to:

            “Results notwithstanding, I thought Ray was a poor goalie overall this year. I can’t count the times he was 8 miles out of position only to have his D bail him out.”

            When people write about Emery, they’re apparently required to use some slight variation of the tags “hip/out of position/saved by defense” in their comment.

            When people talk about Crow, with nearly identical numbers, “FUCK YOU ALL! CROW IS GOD SPELLED BACKWARDS AND STANDING ON HIS HEAD! IF ONLY HE HAD A DEFENSE, HE’D HAVE A VEGINA!

            Not directed at you, just an observation.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Very much so.

            Did the meathead quotient go up this spring? It’s like nuance is lost. It’s turned into a black/white conversational structure.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Raanta is / should spend next season as the starter in Rockford. He needs to adjust to the different style of play in North America as compared to Europe, to say nothing of the different angles and positioning for playing on an NHL-width surface instead of international width, and the only way to do so is to actually play. In that regard what’s going to serve him better to prepare him for success in the NHL – backing up Crow and seeing action in 20-25 games, or playing 50+ as the Ice Hogs’ starter?

  • Waylon

    Liked Konroyd’s take on the reality that many of the Hawk’s forwards and wingers in the minors would already be playing on most other team’s NHL rosters. It’s past time for the prospects to step up, so let’s see how they do.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Morin.

      Pirri.

      Thank you for your time.

      • jackattack

        Smith and Hayes should be included. I know that rustles jimmies, but it’s hard to argue that there aren’t teams out there that they would easily play on. Also, Clendening and Stanton might not have been ready a year ago, but they are now.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I like Ben Smith as well. A bit frustrated with Hayes… seems to not understand his own size. However, there were quite a few of the same complaints back in the day about a kid named ‘Daze’ that was deemed by many to be ‘not playing up to his size’. I always thought that was dumb given his skill level… so I’ll wait a bit more on Hayes and cross my fingers.

    • cliffkoroll

      Yeah. Stan already said no big FA signings, so you can all stop doodling [INSERT YOUR FIRST NAME] Lecavalier on your spiral notebooks (lookin’ at you laaarmer.)

      If Stan adds someone in the Bolland price range, I don’t see anyone there as an upgrade over Bolland, particularly given the needs of this team, so that looks pretty dumb.

      Youth is served. It’s the only strategy that makes sense.

      • laaarmer

        Because Stan is always forthcoming? He shows his cards to all before he does something?

        “It’s the only strategy that makes sense” Give me a fucking break.

        • Why

          I was working on my own Bolland mural but I ran my local Home Depot out of shiny, silver paint.

        • cliffkoroll

          Fair point. I’ll just go on record and say that spending $5 mildo or so on a 2C is a mistake, one I don’t expect Stan to make.

          The mural is spectacular so far…

          • 10thMountainFire

            Is it being constructed out of the blood of his vanquished enemies?

          • laaarmer

            It depends on the center cliff. If it’s Dave Bolland , it is for sure a mistake. If it is Mike Ribeiro, it’s a mistake. Vinny is not a mistake. He’s good. I do realize he is not coming, and it is more of a joke between me and myself at this point. By the way, we laugh every time.

            If Tyler Bozak wants 5 mil, and that’s what the rate is for guys like that, then Bolland should have stayed, but since that is not happening and Vinny refuses to do the right thing, Pirri gets his shot.

            Long hair Dave or head shaved Dave?

          • cliffkoroll

            Head shaved, definitely.

            Let’s just see what happens- then we can judge the reality against The Road Not Taken.

          • laaarmer

            Nice.

  • RVWW

    Grabovsky becoming available?

    • Accipiter

      If he is, I would like him on the Hawks.

      • Why

        Is this a Corsi thing?

        • robondacob

          probably more of a “true top-6 centerman” thing

  • jackattack

    Thoughts on Matt Hendricks for an opening on the 4th? How about David Steckel?

  • 10thMountainFire

    I think I just hit the wall on the media fawning over Patrice Bergeron’s ‘toughness’.

    Marian fucking Hossa couldn’t feel his goddamn legs and Tony Amonte calls him weak… while Patrice Bergeron gets a fan club.

    • roadhog

      This got a lot of play around here during the finals. Is Amonte still commenting on Hossa’s toughness? I kinda thought the big silver chalice and the post cup injury details forced him to shut his trap . . . No?

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Hey remember that time Tony Amonte played in a single Stanley Cup Final game? Yeah, me neither

        • laaarmer

          How many finals did The Hawks make it to as a team while he was here?
          He was a good player here, even if he is burgling the turds now.

          • 10thMountainFire

            This.

            I was a HUGE Tony Amonte fan. But then he picked on the Panda. And I got mad. Fuck him now.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Same here. I loved Amonte when he was here. When I was a kid Chelios was my favorite ‘Hawk, when Cheli was traded to the Scum Amonte took that spot. But the past is the past, if Amonte’s gonna be a fuckwad blowhard who takes unwarranted pot shots at Panda then fuck him sideways.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You took the words out of my head and said them out loud.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            No, I typed them. If I’d said them out lout I would have gotten a lot of really weird looks from my coworkers. I’m not convinced that anyone within earshot has ever heard of Tony Amonte…

          • laaarmer

            They know who Byfuglien is. Dumb fucks.

          • 10thMountainFire

            But they can’t spell his name so it’s just ‘Buff’.

          • laaarmer

            I don’t know if I know how to spell it either. If we had him back HE could play center though.

          • 10thMountainFire

            If Byfuglien were here, we wouldn’t have all these problems at 2C or 3C. He would just double-shift. His cardio is incredible.

          • lizmcneill

            Well, he does weigh as much as Shaw and Frogger put together, that makes him good for two center spots, right?

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            STAN SHOOD TRADE DOSE BUMS WHO DON’T HIT NOBODY KANE AND TAVES FOR DAT BIG BUFF GUY

          • 10thMountainFire

            He’s a lounge singer, right?

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      It’s not just when Bergeron was skating. I read he passed a kidney stone every single time he went back to bench after a shift … every time, every shift, over the course of the last five regular season games and every game of the playoffs. Crazy pain tolerance, that guy.

      • 1benmenno

        I think you’re a hero for telling us about it.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Great … thanks … just had to explain to a co-worker why I was crying.

    • laaarmer

      We should get Bergeron. He’s a good playah.

      • 10thMountainFire

        The BEST! The best playah EVAH!

        • laaarmer

          You do realize that if he was available and a team had the money, he would upgrade every team in the league.

          The guy can play hockey at an elite level.

          He is the best playah on Bahshtohn

          • 10thMountainFire

            Absolutely. Bergeron is in the elite, no doubt.

            I just have a problem with Hoss getting called less than tough while Bergeron is getting Papal decrees defining his toughness.

            All I’m saying is I love Marian Hossa. That’s all, really.

          • laaarmer

            I’m wichu.

          • roadhog

            I’d go one further and say that Hossa and Toews are just as tough as Bergeron, which you won’t see in the media- and which I think was the original point of 10ths post.

          • laaarmer

            Who cares. St. Patrice’s teammates were not up to the challenge. They can whine all they want. Toews rubbed some dirt on it and won it again.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Hossa would have rubbed dirt on his, too, but he couldn’t feel his legs. So he just went out and kicked ass anyway. Because they’re Jonathan Toews and Marian Hossa, that’s why.

      • lizmcneill

        Beautiful dream, I love Bergy. Imagine a 1-2 punch of Toews-Bergeron. The 2C question would be “which of these guys is 2C?”

        • laaarmer

          Read up the thread. It’s even bettah

        • 10thMountainFire

          Bergeron is 2C. Because he’s Jonathan Toews, that’s why. He wears the ‘C’, he has Cups of two.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      But Tony Amonte is a 19th level idiot.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Really? That low? I figured he’s earned top 10 at this point.

        • roadhog

          They work in opposite direction, you know, for idiots.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Then it makes sense.

          • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

            Neither of you guys got the D&D reference?

  • RVWW
    • 10thMountainFire

      That’s some serious douchery.

  • laaarmer

    This is a serious question. The guy needs a change of scenery. Who do you trade for Kesler?!

    • 10thMountainFire

      You know what? Full-disclosure: I like Kesler. In fact, he reminds me of Tkachuk.

      I would support grabbing that guy.

      • laaarmer

        I think he is good too, but who would you trade to get him? WE have some untouchable players. Toews, Keith, Kane, Sharp, Hossa. Even if Hossa was touchable, he doesn’t help VAN out with regards to salary. Would you move Leddy and Pirri?

        • 10thMountainFire

          For Kesler? I’d have to know more about his shoulder recovery but… Pirri and Leddy? I almost make that deal.

          • laaarmer

            What about Duchene? Would you make the same deal? He’s only 22

          • roadhog

            I’d make that deal before Kesler (age/injury.)

          • laaarmer

            But her’s the thing. How much does the future trump winning or at least seriously contending for the next 3-4? Kesler helps you win right now, even at 80% he can do at least what Handzus did, which is pretty damn good.

          • 10thMountainFire

            To piggyback on that… now that you have a bit of space with the cap you can justify a 28-year old Kesler for three years. He essentially fills the 2C spot we’ve had such a difficult time filling for years as well as provides us that shut-down C option that Bolland was supposed to provide.

          • roadhog

            Stan does likes him some space come trade deadline.

          • 10thMountainFire

            For Leddy/Pirri? Yeah, I can see that.

          • roadhog

            I brought up going after Kesler before the deadline and nearly got decapitated up in here. Pirri and a 3rd round. Melikes Leddy.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I love Leddy, too. But if Kesler is healthy you’re talking about a premier power forward.

          • laaarmer

            Center too. Yes elite player. Hossa got a shoulder too.

          • 10thMountainFire

            And a back. And apparently no legs.

            But on Kesler… I’ve always sort of liked him, in spite of his anti-Ladd policies.

          • laaarmer

            watch out. Kevin will be here in a minute.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Who is Kevin again?

          • laaarmer

            Ingmar

          • 10thMountainFire

            Den who would be the Selken Trophy winner? Him or Toes?

          • roadhog

            Keenan.

          • roadhog

            So Pirri and Leddy for Keenan.

          • roadhog

            I’m with ya- I’d just take a shot with a pick or two before throwing Leddy into the mix.

        • Why

          Could you get Kesler for Leddy and Pirri? And even if you could, are you fine with paying him 5 million a year for the next 3?

          • laaarmer

            If he plays like he can, yes. If he is broken then no.

          • roadhog

            Health is the big if, and if Bicks is worth 4 . . . a healthy Kesler is worth?

          • laaarmer

            More than Bickell

          • roadhog

            5 would seem to be a deal- he says while praying Bickell outperforms his contract.

          • Why

            And that’s the thing. I don’t think Vancouver makes that trade if they think Kesler’s healthy. And I don’t want Kesler if he isn’t healthy.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Maybe and yes.

          • laaarmer

            I don’t know if you can get him at all. VAN has a goalie with a salary issue that they cannot move. It is going to be a problem for them down the road and even now. This is relief for them even if its only a couple million after you sign Leddy. It can’t hurt to ask.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I give us very little chance of this happening but the more you and I discussed it the more I was excited at the possibility.

            Imagine:

            29-19-81
            10-17-88

          • laaarmer

            If 29 tanks you could slot in Saad, even though he is a lost cause.

          • 10thMountainFire

            What is funny now is all that bullshit, nonsensical, maddening ‘Saad isn’t fast enough to skate with ________’ we all endured at the beginning of this season.

            I wanted to choke some people.

          • laaarmer

            Hey. That was me and he was moved when it counted, for whatever reason.

          • roadhog

            Think of the line juggling Q could do with those players. Maybe this is a bad idea.

          • Why

            I just kind of think Chicago has been kind of lucky and I’m not sure how much of a salary issue Luongo is. 5.5 isn’t a crazy overpay for him, given what other goalies are getting. I look at capgeek and think the bigger problem is you can’t spend 4 million plus on every defencemen.

          • laaarmer

            He’s an issue, because it’s forever.
            This thing isn’t happening, but you have to have fun speculating.

    • chichicagochi

      Sharp

  • 10thMountainFire

    Since I left last winter I have discovered I don’t understand many of the assertions of some new posters here.

    • laaarmer

      Like you care.

  • Z-man19