• JKM13

    it was a good run

    • Joe Banks

      What was a good run?

      • ahnfire

        EVERYTHING, THE WORLD IS ENDING GOODBYE ALL.

    • HawkIPA

      Is this the first trip to the ledge for the 2014-15 season? Record time.

      • ‘hawks58

        I think it’s actually for the 15-16 season, lol.

        • JKM13

          Yep. Next year will be the end of the 2008-2015 core.

      • pepe_silvia

        Pathetic really. Why are these people even here?

    • duncans peace pipe

      +1 LOL

  • jordyhawk

    The draft is always exciting and it’s hard not to feel optimistic. The analysts totally feed this….”yeah this guy has great this and great that”…but in reality it’s mostly a crap shoot after the early picks. For every Saad there’s a Beach. For every Hjalmarsson there’s a Sanipass. I had high hopes for Mikhail Yakubov until I read an article that described how he found washing the SUV he bought after he signed far more interesting than hockey.

  • ‘hawks58

    I still think it ends up being 8 yrs, $74-76MM for Kane and Toews. That’s still $19MM committed to 2 players for the next 8 years. Anyone think Bickell could be the one on the move after this year? His playoff performances are great, but like Bolland, can you afford that sticker price for solid but not great regular seasons?

    Also makes one wonder if Leddy will be signing another contract in Chicago. Not sure how you can avoid paying him $3.5-$4.0MM in his next contract when you look at his comparables.

    Using some conservative estimates, and substituting McNeil for Bickell, the ‘Hawks could be sitting at about $74 in salary next year:

    Sharp
    -
    $5,900,000
    /
    Toews
    -
    $10,000,000
    /
    Kane
    -
    $10,000,000

    Saad
    -
    $2,900,000
    /
    Teravainen
    -
    $894,167
    /
    Hossa
    -
    $5,275,000

    McNeill
    -
    $863,333
    /
    Kruger
    -
    $2,300,000
    /
    Shaw
    -
    $2,000,000

    Bollig
    -
    $1,250,000
    /
    Smith
    -
    $1,400,000
    /
    Morin
    -
    $750,000

    Other
    -
    $863,333
    /
    Nordstrom
    -
    $800,000

    Keith
    -
    $5,538,462
    /
    Seabrook
    -
    $5,800,000

    Hjalmarsson
    -
    $4,100,000
    /
    Leddy
    -
    $3,800,000

    Johns
    -
    $800,000
    /
    Clendening
    -
    $900,000

    Dahlbeck
    -
    $800,000

    Crawford
    -
    $6,000,000

    Raanta
    -
    $1,250,000

    • Oldfarthawkfan

      If there is a salary dump Sharp goes before Bickell. Bickell is not going anywhere.

      • QCBlackhawk

        Sharp has a no move clause, does Bicks?

        • ‘hawks58

          Modified No-trade. So Sharpe cannot be moved without consent, Bickell can give a list of teams he is willing to be traded to.

          • QCBlackhawk

            Thanks, sir/maam

            I dunno, NTC’s seem like a huge clusterfuck

    • Oregon_hawk

      I doubt Bicks gets moved. He brings a dimension to the hawks game that they don’t get from many other sources. That, plus fairly consistent playoff performance (20-14-34 in 57 GP in playoffs) means he’ll probably be around for a while yet.

      After the stuff with Sharp’s agent, I doubt Sharp gets moved this season. But, he’s certainly a candidate for a trade moving ahead.

      Hawks don’t have to labor under the new 19/88 contracts until next year. But trading from strength and at high value (i.e., sharp, now) is always better than trading from necessity (that everyone knows you have)

      • ‘hawks58

        Right, by next year I meant 15-16

        • Oregon_hawk

          Oh. I guess we are in this year already.

  • guesthouse

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455828

    Smith and Raanta each extended two years.

    • YoAdrienne

      Thank goodness! I was afraid they’d let Smith slip away.

    • Joe Banks

      Woo Hoo! – Ben Freakin’ Smith!

    • HawkIPA

      Looks like Smith got him some Bollig money. Great number on the Raanta deal.

    • jordyhawk

      Yay Benny. Keeper.

      That’s a nice low number for Raanta. Kind of surprised…one way deal I’m guessing?

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Doesn’t really matter (from a cap management perspective) whether it’s a 1-way or 2-way deal. Obviously it matters for him because 1-way deal would mean that he earns the full value regardless of whether he’s in Chicago or Rockford (and I dunno about you, but I hope he’s starting in Rockford this year instead of backing up Crow), but thanks thanks to the rule allowing you to bury the first ~$900K the AAV is low enough that if he’s in the AHL his cap hit is completely off of the ‘Hawks books.

        • yinkadoubledare

          Makes me think it’s a 1-way deal. Guaranteed salary would be a good reason to re-sign on the cheap like that.

    • Oregon_hawk

      Yay smitty.

      Now Frodo needs to walk from winnipeg and we can get the Bumslayers of doom lined up on the 4th line:

      Frolik – Kruger – Smith = win!!

      • ‘hawks58

        One could dream, but I doubt Winnipeg is dumb enough to let Frolik walk when they have plenty of cash and nobody else worth signing. He’ll probably end up getting $3MM+ to stay up north

  • mazer_rackham

    I imagine on the open market that DDN would each command $11M or so. There are only a few comparables and those contracts are from past cap years/percentages. I bet they sign for just under $10M per.

  • LavalPhantom

    Damn…
    Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva · 3m

    Right now the cap for next season will be at $68M and that’s causing problems. But wait ! NHL and NHLPA are still talking. Final # to come.

    • HawkIPA

      Yikes. Given the NHL’s huge revenue over the past season, I thought it’d hit $70m. Bowman shouldn’t have banked on it. More than Oduya will be gone tonight.

  • mazer_rackham

    Sounds like Kesler to Anaheim is all but done

    https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/482580468076777472

    and with the cap looking like 68M it seems Spezza or Stastny are unlikely. It’s Teuvo time.

    • HawkIPA

      Kesler for Bonino, Sbisa, and the 24th. This is the best deal VAN could get. Unbelievable.

      • mazer_rackham

        I suspect that the Hawks would have offered more but needed to move other pieces before they could make room for Kesler’s salary, and couldn’t do it in time. Basically they’d need to move Oduya and one more, or Sharp.

      • TitanTransistor

        Seems pretty clear it was Anaheim or bust. With Kane and Toews asking for so much (at least for now), they can’t add 5 million to the cap for a 2C and move young, cheap, great talent for a 2C.

    • bigtreina

      Not wise. The Hawks must make a move for a legit 2nd line center. Good chance Teuvo isn’t going to be ready for an 82 game season plus playoffs. Not rolling 4 lines killed us against LA.

      • HawkIPA

        I think they will. Not Spezza, but someone cheaper, who still can skate with Kane. Oduya is gone, Sharp maybe too. Should give Hawks a little flexibility.

        • bigtreina

          Any ideas on who? If I’m Kane, I badly want someone to dish to on my line that can actually (sorta kinda) keep up with me.

          • mazer_rackham

            Vermette or Fiddler? Still need to move Oduya+

      • TitanTransistor

        Hawks were an overtime bounce away from beating the Kings, and they were rolling 2.5 lines at the time. Even with some slight depth improvements they still have a good shot to beat the Kings, who could have been knocked out of the playoffs 3 separate times.

        If anything, this just decreases the chances of meeting the Kings in the WCF, and even with Kesler, I like the Hawks lineup against the Ducks.

        • bigtreina

          What are you smoking? Hawks are lucky to not have had to play Anaheim. Hawks have Quick’s number & know how to beat the Kings. Ducks – not so much. I don’t buy into this whole ‘we were a bounce away’ crap. We had 3 other losses that say we weren’t significantly better than the Kings. For all the fluff about how dominant the Hawks are (were) – we lost to a team with just 2 20+ goal scorers. We had 5. That means we need to balance out the lines. It starts at center.

          • TitanTransistor

            Disagree. Hawks lost the season series with both Blues and Minnesota last year, beat them in the playoffs. Won the season series against the Kings (swept it actually), lost in 7 games OT. What happens in the regular season doesn’t mean much over a 7 game series in the playoffs, and the Ducks depth and D doesn’t concern me, regardless of the season series (which, for the record, was split).

            I agree we need some balance and somebody in the 2C slot, but it cannot be somebody making 5 million per year who will be looking to re-up in 2 years when Kane and Toews could be at 10 mil+ per. That is short-term thinking that would destroy the Hawks.

          • bigtreina

            Then you let the 5mm 2nd line C walk and Teuvo is ready. Only after you collect 2 more rings!

          • TitanTransistor

            The second year of that 5 million would still overlap with the Toews Kane deals.

            Furthermore, Vancouver wanted either Saad or TT in a package for Kesler. So we’d be losing young talent that outperforms their price-tag, for a moderately high price-tag player that we’d keep for 2 years?

            Doesn’t make sense either.

            I think the Hawks need a 2C. Kesler wasn’t a fit with the cap potentially coming in lower than expected, and 2 superstars about to get a major raise.

          • Addielise

            Anyone see the rumor of Sharp, Roz, Clendening, and #1 pick to Florida for Gubrandson and #1 overall pick on hockeybuzz? Doesn’t solve our need for 2C but frees up salary for another move later?

          • bigtreina

            Careful, don’t refer to the “HB” site anywhere on these boards. It’s blasphemy here. Besides, 99% of what they write over there smells like my kid’s diaper.

          • HawkIPA

            I ignore everything on hockeybuzz. That does sound intriguing though.

          • HawkIPA

            Look at the possession numbers. Kings were tops in NHL, regular season and post.

      • wardrums

        He played over 100games last year on a few different teams. It may have begin to wear on him at the end, but for an 18 year old kid to adapt to that kind of travel is pretty amazing.

        The million dollar question is, how good is he? Lot of hype with little to go on.

  • bigtreina

    Hawks can’t win forever. The window for the core is another 4-5 years max before bits and pieces start falling apart (e.g., injuries, contracts, etc.). They could be competitive for a lot longer than that – like the Wings. But at a certain point, after you’ve won several cups with a group, you turn into what’s left of the Wings. Its part of the evolution.

    Now is the time for Stan to make a bold move – get a legit play-making / finishing 2C even if it costs the teams some current assets / prospects. Other than your ‘core’ of Kane Toews Keith Crawford, nobody else should be untouchable.

    Let’s get a few more cups out of this group if we can!

    • HawkIPA

      I don’t know, Kane and Toews in 5 years are 30. Saad is 26. TT, if he’s the real deal, is in his prime. I think the window is larger than that. Will depend on if Johns and Clendening live up to potential.

      Who are you thinking of for 2C? Spezza is overpriced and is a defensive liability. I think we’ll get someone in the $3-4m range, dump Sharp and Oduya, and should be pretty set. I’d love to get Vermette, and would be gung ho on Grabo if I could trust Q not to screw it up.

      • bigtreina

        I like Vermette. I’m hopeful that we get him.

        The problem with Kesler, Spezza, and Thornton, is, other than their age (Spezza, Jumbo Joe) & Salary, I worry about what’s between their ears. There’s a whole lot of seasons between those guys without Cups.

        I wouldn’t be opposed to any deal that could pry Mike Fisher out of Nashville. I think he’d have career numbers here in Chicago. I highly doubt he’d go to a rival though.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Jaeckel is pulling rumors out of his backside again. This made me laugh.

    “Rumored offer: Sharp, Roszival, D prospect Adam Clendening and Chicago #1 to Florida for their number 1 and Erik Gudbranson”

    • Joe Banks

      Bless his heart…

    • ahnfire

      I want to know what drugs he’s on. Those things must be AMAZING.

  • jhb
    • wardrums

      Very good news.

    • HawkIPA

      $800k AAV, not bad Stan!

  • pepe_silvia

    Reminder for you all: Don’t go on the Facebook comments for the CSN or Blackhawks pages. All of these “fans” ledge jumping because we didn’t get Kesler. Why are so many people huge morons?

    • YoAdrienne

      Facebook is always like that. I find many of the comments quite entertaining, actually. It’s interesting to see how quickly rumors spread, too, even the most idiotic ones. I have had to block a few of the regulars, though. Their incessant Crow-bashing gets old.

      • Yachtsman

        I “liked” Blackhawk Nation on FB cuz some friends shared some posts. Then I started reading the comments and had no choice but to “unlike” that ridiculous page. What a bunch of uneducated mindless lemmings. Always enjoy the interaction here, thank you.

        • YoAdrienne

          I had heard of that page, but I suspected it was Meathead Central, so I never bothered with it. I just checked it out. I was right, and your description fits it perfectly. This place is definitely much better, even despite the occasional troll outbreaks we get whenever something significant happens. I always come away learning something.

    • The Nutbrown Hare

      I don’t generally look to Facebook for lucid, insightful commentary of any sort. TCI, on the other hand, is a welcome respite from such mind-numbing tittle-tattle.

  • Hags

    assuming the cap is 68 million (which seems to be the number making it’s way around the interwebs at the moment) it’s almost a certainty Oduya AND Sharp are moved, probably tonight. Personally, I see the Yotes have boatloads of cap space, absolutely need scoring on the wings, and have a decently stocked farm system to pick up a prospect to boot. I’d be pretty happy (considering the cap situation) if Stan went Sharp for Vermette and one of the Coyotes more noteable prospects.

    • Joe Banks

      I hadn’t thought of Vermette until Sam floated the idea in a previous post. – now I cannot stop thinking about it.

    • Bannerman

      Gamecenter just said it’s $69 million so Bollig for a pick and we’re all good.