• ‘hawks58

    I would think the Players Association would be pretty upset about the Gaborik contract. He left a ton of money on the table, and that could affect some contracts going forward (at least that will be their spin I imagine)

    • HawkIPA

      Yeah, I sensed a bit of bluster from Sharp’s agent. I’d put Kane, Toews, Keith, Saad, TT, Hjammer, and Hossa (for hockey and cap reasons) before Sharp on the “will never be traded” list. Curious that Bowman’s denials came through the agent rather than the organization. I could still see a move happening to the right team, but Sharp sure doesn’t look like he’ll be waving his NMC.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        I’m pretty sure that Sharp’s NMC only means he can’t be moved to another league (i.e. can’t be demoted to AHL or loaned to a European team) as he’s also got a limited NTC which I believe governs his movement within the league. If the ‘Hawks want to move him I think the only control he has is the ability to submit a list of 10 teams to which he can refuse a trade, which still leaves 19 other possible trade partners.

        • HawkIPA

          Thanks for clearing that up. So Sharp can’t veto a trade unless the team is not on his list. This makes the events of the past few days make a lot more sense.

        • ‘hawks58

          via Cap Geek:
          “A no-move clause means a player cannot be traded,
          waived for a claim by another team, or assigned to the minors without
          his consent. This does not protect the player from a buyout.”

          So Sharp cannot be moved from the Blackhawks roster without his consent.

    • Oldfarthawkfan

      I think Gaborik thought he would get max a 3 year contract as a FA. So, is he really leaving money on the table? The money is just spread out over more years.

      • The Other One

        Which is bullshit, for reasons I posted yesterday. Still grumpy!

      • ‘hawks58

        Yes, because he most certainly would have gotten another contract in 3 years (though probably at a lesser dollar amount).

        Plus, when you consider inflation, the same money over the next 3 years is worth more than it is if spread over 5.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      This is not making Seabrook feel any more secure….

    • cza
  • The Nutbrown Hare

    Where the heck is Dave Bolland getting the idea he can command a salary anywhere near that of Gaborik’s? Look, I really liked Bolland (he was an invaluable role player back in 2010), but his skills were waning late in his Hawk career. Yes, he made a couple key contributions during the 2013 Cup run (big hit to spring Seabrook’s Game 7 winner against Detroit, and the obvious glory of his Cup winning goal), but there was otherwise a lot of consternation about his play. He’s a small guy that isn’t very durable, and my guess is that “The Rat’s” best years are well behind him.

    • The Other One

      Because he knows there’s a GM out there that will buy into the myth of Dave Boland versus the reality (decent player, infrequently does big things, Cup winner, gets injured). He will get it

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      He used to work with Dale Talon.

  • MattC86

    Simmons. What a putz.

  • jordyhawk
    • HawkIPA

      Around $10m is what I thought they’d get. Actually is pretty reasonable, and will look better as the term of the contracts winds down and the cap goes up.

      • QCBlackhawk

        That’s all well and good in the end game, but for right now that would tend to nutshot any attempt at a really deep team for the next few.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      $10 mm / yr could seem like a steal by the time those contracts expire in eight years.

      • http://www.nosqldatabases.com Derek Stainer

        All depends on the cap and cups

    • YoAdrienne

      There’s no way Bowman is going to handicap his team by paying them that much, given projected salary cap levels. Their agent is welcome to start the bidding at as high a point that he wants. It doesn’t mean they’re going to get it. I’m betting they’ll get somewhere around the $8-9 million range. I don’t know if it’s possible to back-load the contracts so that they get paid more later on. If so, I could see that potentially happening.

      • jordyhawk

        Chicago is a big market for players to make a few bucks on the side shilling Chevys or whatever, so it would be nice if our lads took a bit of a hometown discount.

        • YoAdrienne

          That’s what I’m thinking. Toews and Kane strike me as a couple of guys who like winning more than they like getting the big bucks. And, they know they can’t win unless they have a good team around them, which they aren’t going to get if their paychecks take up a fat chunk of the cap space. They can easily make it up in endorsements and commercials.

      • Oldfarthawkfan

        Malkin makes$ 9.5, crosby about $10.6, $10 is about fair, bye bye Sharp, no matter what his agent might say

      • HawkIPA

        Kane and Toews are worth $10m. That’s with a hometown discount. They could probably get $12-13m on the market next summer.

        • TitanTransistor

          Yes, they could each get that money on the open market, but in both cases it would involve going to a weaker team with mediocre to poor chances of contending for a cup.

          But every player has his own priorities. Some value legacy, others value income more.

          • HawkIPA

            Which is why they’ll sign for around $10m. Both like Chicago, like winning, and will take a $2-3m discount to stay.

    • TitanTransistor

      12 million a piece? That’s lunacy.

      Granted it still just a starting offer.

    • Marian Brossa

      Eh, let ‘em walk.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        No! Make a deal while we have the rights. Trade them this year for Miller and….

        Nah, couldn’t finish it with a straight face.

    • SuperHawk27

      As much as I like Kane and Toews, They aren’t worth the highest salaries in the game…… there is no way. at no point in their career have they proven they are worth that much. Yes they win games, but with the team they have around them, its hard not to win. They are very good players on a very good team, but they aren’t even the best players in the league.

      • HawkIPA

        It’s a reasonable raise over Perry and Getzlaf. They won’t get $12m, probably will get $10m. Crosby and Malkin got their raises a few years ago–if they were up today, they’d be asking for even more. Look at Keith’s salary ($5.5m cap hit), imagine how much he’d get now? It would be whatever Subban gets, which will be very close to Kane and Toews. With the cap going up, the top players will be asking for more. Can’t fault them for it.

    • ‘hawks58

      I wouldn’t be surprised if they asked for $12M in salary over the next couple of years; but I am also sure it is as cap friendly of a deal as possible, probably 8 years, $74-76 million ($9.25-9.5M cap hit)

    • birdhead

      Apparently their starting-point in 2009 was $10m so …

  • rhodes

    One of the reasons it’s far more fun to follow sports than politics? Quotes like this (re: Sharp trade rumor):

    Rick Curran [Sharp's agent] said, “As far as I’m concerned, the whole thing’s a fabrication from a puke out of Toronto trying to make headlines, an absolutely, completely irresponsible report, based on absolutely nothing other than his own whim or fancy.”

  • TitanTransistor

    Sharp’s agent can say whatever he wants. If this team wants to keep some semblance of depth throughout the lineup with 2 10 million dollar contracts (potentially) for Kane and Toews on the books, some salaries are probably getting shipped out. And at 33 years old next year in an organization with lots of promising wingers coming up the ranks, yes, Sharp is likely a candidate.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      So your sense of the whole situation is either that Stan is lying to Sharp’s agent, or that Sharp’s agent is lying and never talked to Stan?

      • ‘hawks58

        He’s saying Stan’s reassurance is a half truth.

        Stan: Are we looking to trade Sharp NOW? Not at all, we are not entertaining offers for him NOW. [but this trade deadline, or next year's draft, however.....]

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          So, my girlfriend tells me she heard that I’m cheating on her. I tell her that I’m not cheating and that whoever told her that is a lying piece of shit.

          So I’m not lying–I’m merely telling a half-truth–because right now my dick is not in someone else?

          I don’t know Stan Bowman, but I don’t get the sense that’s how he does business. Suppose I could be wrong, but that kind of ethical compass seems like it would attach itself irrevocably to someone’s reputation.

          • ‘hawks58

            No, I’m simply saying that a GM saying a player is not being shopped at this time doesn’t mean he won’t be shopped in the future.

            Things can change in a heartbeat. Roster management requires continual evaluation of your assets and the assets available to you. 6 months from now, circumstances may dictate Sharp be traded.

            To use your analogy, you could tell your girlfriend you’re not cheating on her and be telling the truth; but saying you are not cheating on her now does not mean you won’t, at some point, cheat on her in the future. (not that you would, but saying you aren’t now does not guarantee that you won’t at some point down the road)

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            In the future, well ya, of course! I’m talking about this in the context of imminent trades, and of the Sharp-is-trade-bait debates of the last couple weeks. Everyone except Kane and Toews are potentially trade pieces in the future, not just Sharp.

  • Matt

    I want me some Ho-Sang.

    • KoltForty5

      I don’t think he’ll fall as far as 27, but if he’s on the table, I’d love to see Ho Sang with us.

  • Oldfarthawkfan

    If Toews and Kane sign for 10 million, and tthen StanBo has to do a salary dump because Sharp says I am not being traded, how would that play in the dressing room?