• bizarrohairhelmet

    I don’t know what’s wrong with announcers, but the ESPN link has the 4th or 5th misuse of “one-timer” in the last month.

    • CozBullsFan

      Color me surprised. They probably use interns for the Hockey videos. Interns that don’t know anything about Hockey.

  • VerStig

    Don’t look now, but Nick Leddy now leads ‘Hawks defensemen with 7 goals.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      I went and looked anyway. Because I’m evil.

    • CozBullsFan

      I’ll be sad to see Oduya go but it’s for the best. Leddy is ready to move up. We have a couple young guys that move up to Leddy’s spot now.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I don’t think Leddy’s upward trajectory necessarily makes it follow that Oduya is moved but I think you’re right in assessing that it’s likely. He’ll pull a good return in value (picks or otherwise) should he look like he did in last year’s post season run.

        • jordyhawk

          Oduya plays against opposing top lines and on PK. Q better test drive him in those roles before we move Oduya. As well, I seem to recall some friction between Leddy’s camp and Stan last year re contract. Now there is Runblad not to mention Dahlbeck (ready now) and Stephen Johns (say a year away) and Clendening. I’m not so sure Leddy is a slam-dunk.

          • lizmcneill

            The sad thing is that Leddy’s and Oduya’s career trajectories seem likely to cross in the near term, which is less likely with the other kids.

          • jordyhawk

            Q still sheltering Leddy and we will not know if he can replace Oduya until he is more exposed to the heavy going. I suspect Leddy and Leddy-agent see him as top 4 guy and will want that opportunity again. Now that I think about it, Leddy actually was our #4 for awhile last year but Oduya bumped him and hasn’t looked back since.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Another way to look at it is that it’s not necessarily ‘sheltering Leddy’ so much as ‘leveraging Oduya’. Oduya’s career is on the other side of its prime, obviously. But he’s still a very valuable piece of what is still a championship-caliber team and Q is taking advantage of his remaining time competing at a high level. Oduya’s contributions throughout the last post-season run were invaluable. His pairing with Hjalmarsson has been so successful that they remain the two facing the highest quality of competition… even as all-world as Keith-Seabrook is. That’s saying something.

            Leddy will be a force. He’s rising. Yet he’s still young. So many years ahead of him.

            Cam. Barker.

          • lizmcneill

            Here’s the thing: what do you trade Leddy for that minimizes the risk of it? Block was lamenting Pirri for picks that may never come to anything, and Leddy’s much more of a proven NHL commodity than Pirri at this point.
            So in return you’d want another young and cheap roster player, and they’d have to be a goalie (which we don’t really need) or a forward (not really space for any except another center) because why just swap dmen? A 2C/3C tweener for Leddy (a less damaged Bolly?) might be reasonable though I still think Leddy has more upside. Who out there fits that description who would be available and Q wouldn’t hate?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Leddy’s not going anywhere. He’s not ‘core’ (cringe-inducing descriptive cliche term that that has become…) but he’s an essential piece of this team as it progresses through generations of its competitiveness a la Detroit in the 90s-aughts. As Kane, Toews, and Hjalmarsson become veterans, as Keith and Seabrook crest their prime years, and as Hossa and Sharp move into their later careers, Teuvo/Saad/Leddy is likely to be the next ‘core’.

          • lizmcneill

            Agree on the Core 2.0 – that’s why I talked about getting another player of similar age back in return (and you’d have to have reasonable confidence in the other d prospects).
            If they do have to move Leddy because of agent or contract issues rather than in a hockey trade, it would be a shame and would be damaging because you’re unlikely to get value in the return.

          • 10thMountainFire

            The top four of those two d-pairings (when it’s Leddy in the group) are invaluable for the next 4-6 years. Seabrook and Oduya have been unfairly maligned. I stand fully behind my assertion that the nonsense surrounding Seabrook is being mirrored by many on Johnny Two points as well. He’s not being given the respect he’s due for the job he’s done this season.

            Cascading criticism.

          • lizmcneill

            Marlboro 72
            Swedes

            or Marlboro 72
            Ni(c)ks?

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’ll take both for cascading Cups.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      With pending cap issues, Leds ascendance could be worse news for Biscuit than Oduya.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        I highly doubt that.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I think the organization values Seabrook too much to deal unless the deal radically improves the Hawks’ long-term hand.

      • lizmcneill

        Leddy’s game’s more like Oduya’s than it is Nachos’, I think.

      • neo1978

        Leddy is not a right d-man, he has shown that he is much better on the left. But Q still treats Leddy as a defensive liability. Until that changes, I don’t see Leddy moving up or anyone else leaving.

      • Paul the Fossil

        Nah no chance. Seabrook’s actual performance is well worth his current cap hit and there’s no indication that Hawks management thinks any differently. Also Seabrook is four years younger than Oduya and two younger than Keith.

  • VerStig
  • red palace

    I’m going to set my alarm clock tone to Gene Honda’s voice: “Blackhawks goal by number eighty-one, Marian Hossaaa!”

    • jordyhawk

      I have a voice modulator that converts to Harvey Wittenberg.

      • thefearlessfreep

        Much prefer Harvey to Gene Honda, whose enthusiasm sounds so contrived to me.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Cubs fan.

          • thefearlessfreep

            No, not at all. Actually didn’t even know Honda did Sox games up until a few years ago. Never cared for him from day one. Honda is an amateur compared to Harvey.

    • VerStig

      Mine used to be Pat Foley’s call of Kaner’s hat trick against the ‘Nucks in 2009. Mostly for the combination of goal horn, crowd cheering, and dagger… but better.

  • Waylon

    Pretty negative take on the Hawk’s farm system and development of draft picks by Block. Can’t say I disagree with his assessment, particularly regarding Pirri and Morin. OTOH, when a team is as top – heavy with talented veterans as the Hawks currently possess, they’re going to lose some quality players who deserved a better shot at the bigs than what was offered.

    • jordyhawk

      I don’t understand the conversion of McNeill to wing. Big, strong 2-way centers (particularly right handers) are not exactly easy to find.

      • lizmcneill

        They seem to have decided he’d never be an NHL center very early. Ok, if they want him to be the next Bickell, fine, but why not keep playing him at both positions?

      • Waylon

        yeah, they never did answer that question, at least to my satisfaction. If they’re deliberately doing this, then what is their plan for developing more 2nd line centers? Do they even have a plan?

        • birdhead

          they don’t need a plan, they have michal handzus

          • Z-man19

            you go wash your mouth with soap, young lady

      • neo1978

        Best kids on teams usually play center. When kids get drafted, the talent level improves and the positions sort themselves out. I mean Beach was drafted as a center.

        • lizmcneill

          Wasn’t Kaner a center up until the OHL? They talked about putting Toews on the wing after he signed because the Hawks had too many centers. (Ha. Ha. Ha.)

    • 10thMountainFire

      We’re going to pull value in return, though… which makes it useful to have such talent in Rockford.

      I still think Morin stays and is a low-cost component of the bottom six in the next year or two.

      • neo1978

        I believe Morin loses his waiver exemption next season. So it is next season or a trade for him…

        • 10thMountainFire

          So he’s off his ELC following this season?

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Waivers exemption doesn’t have to with whether or not a player is on his ELC, it is dependent on age and experience. A player who signs his ELC when he’s 18 loses waivers exemption after either 5 years or 160 NHL games played (whichever comes first), a player who’s 19 when he signs his ELC loses his exemption after 4 years or 160 games. Morin was 19 when he signed his ELC and this is his 4th professional season, hence his loss of waivers exemption after this year. The fact that it coincides with the end of his ELC is not coincidental but has to do with the rules surrounding the length of ELC’s dependent on a young player’s age and the contract sliding by not burning a year early as opposed to any sort of direct relationship.

          • 10thMountainFire

            So keeping Morin is a bit more difficult than I anticipated.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            He’s RFA so he won’t exactly cost much to re-sign, but there’s absolutely no point in retaining him if he’s not going to be on the big club next year because he’ll get snapped up the second he touches the waiver wire

          • lizmcneill

            If they are 100% sure they want him on the team, it’s fine. Otherwise he’s in the same boat as Pirri. However Chevy wasn’t GM of the ThrashJets when Morin was drafted so Winnipeg probably doesn’t want him back as much as Dale did Pirri.
            They might keep him as playoff insurance and move him at the draft, I guess.

    • neo1978

      At this point, I think you can criticize Tallon’s last two drafts for not producing, especially first round picks (Beach, Olsen). Bowman’s picks are still too young. Hayes, his first pick, is still a four year senior in college. And everybody else is younger than that.

      • lizmcneill

        It’s not even the last 2.

        2005 – point for Jelly in round 4, point taken off for drafting a non-NHLer at #7 overall.
        2006 – we’re lucky Toews went third. No other NHLers.
        2007 – Won the lottery. No other NHLers.
        2008 – Benny. Fucking Kyle Beach at, what, #12 overall?
        2009 – Frogger. Pirri and Olsen kind of.

        Seems like he did pretty poorly in the mid-first to third rounds where there’s a decent chance of getting an NHLer.

  • MySpoonIsTooBig

    I take it from the fact that no one is discussing it hear and I haven’t seen anything on Twitter that nobody has any further update on Saad? Did anyone anyone even see the injury occur or does anyone have any idea what the injury might be?

    • Z-man19

      CNS went back and looked at the hit. He thought it looked more lower body (charlie horse) than anything. Of course, Q has said it’s UBI

  • BrandonPirri’s Corpse

    Are there any cap gurus that can explain how Teraveinen will be able to come up without going over the salary cap? I know it *can* be done, but 10 minutes on CapGeek and I’m still stumped.

    • Z-man19

      your guess is as good as anyone’s, I don’t see how they do it without someone being taken off the active roster, but I’m not sure anyone has the right answer. Might just have to wait and see what happens, when it happens

    • Waylon

      did you check the earlier thread? Lots of discussion and speculation, but no definitve answer on just what the real cap situation is right now. Only the Hawks seem to know for sure, and so far they’re not talking.

      • Z-man19

        and no media is bothering to ask. Color me shocked

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      My best guess is that Brookbank is waived and (assuming he’s not claimed) sent down to Rockford. You can’t bury a contract entirely anymore but you can bury the first ~$900K of it which would be more than enough to make room for TT.

      • BrandonPirri’s Corpse

        I was actually just typing this, too. The first $925,000 can be buried in the AHL. Teraveinen’s cap hit is $925,000. So Brookbank goes down, Tivo comes in and we’re in good shape.

        Sorry Sheldon.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          The only real concern in that scenario is the possibility of Brookbank getting claimed by another team; they wouldn’t demote him to make room for TT if they care about having him available for the rest of the regular season, but I have no doubt they’d want to have him available for the playoffs just in case of emergency (once the playoffs begin the salary cap is effectively eliminated)

          • BrandonPirri’s Corpse

            The Hawks are skating 8 defensemen, so if someone goes down, there’s still an emergency 7th d-man. I wonder how much of a shitshow Oduya and Rundblad would be on the 3rd line.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            I have no doubt that Q and Stan have considerably more faith in Brookbank right now than in Rundblad. If an emergency situation arose they’d be much more comfortable turning to Brookbank.

            So then the question is “why don’t they send Rundblad down instead of Brookbank” and the problem is that Rundblad isn’t waivers exempt either. Considering their ages (Rundblad is 23, Brookbank is 33) and contract statuses (Rundblad is signed for another year with an AAV of only $750K, Brookbank is UFA this summer) Rundblad is both far more likely to be claimed and has much more potential usefulness to the ‘Hawks down the road.

          • wowwowweewoo

            Don’t you see… Bowman’ genius truly is spectacular. They’ll send down Bollig, b/c no one will claim him because of his contact.

          • Accipiter

            B52 cap hit/salary is $575,000.00 right now.

          • wowwowweewoo

            Except next year when it goes up to $1.25M.his current cap hit is not the issue.

          • Accipiter

            I thought the conversation was who would be sent down now/this year to make cap room. Oops.

          • wowwowweewoo

            Between the days holding a 22 man roster and the LTIR relief we’ve had, that little may do it. Can geek had a disclaimer of being only an estimate.

          • Z-man19

            which if anything is high, not too low

          • Z-man19

            That’s the issue, his cap hit this year isn’t enough

          • neo1978

            A player claimed after the trade deadline is not eligible for the playoffs. So anyone claiming Brookbank (UFA) would only get him for the remainder of this regular season.

            So unless somebody really needs a defenseman to get through the rest of this regular season or somebody is trying to screw the Hawks, Brookbank would most likely pass through waivers.

            Although I still think they can waive Regin and have enough room for TT.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            His not being available for the playoffs is one of the main reasons why it’s unlikely he’d be claimed, others include the fact that he’s a 33-year-old defenseman who’s little more than a spare part on a team with any semblance of defensive depth and he’s UFA this summer. The only reason a team would claim him (other than trying to screw over the ‘Hawks, though that doesn’t seem like a very effective strategy) is if they’re already considering trying to sign him this summer and wanna get a closer look at him for 10-15 games. It’s not likely, but it’s not entirely out of the question.

            I’m not sure about Regin. The Islanders kept half of his cap hit so his effective AAV is only $375K, which is considerably less than the cap hit on the ELC that TT already signed, but on the other hand it’s not entirely clear to me how the cap hits would be prorated. It’s possible that Stan could create all of the room he needs for TT just by waiving Regin, and if he can that’s almost certainly what happens, I’m just not 100% certain that creates enough space.

          • Z-man19

            you forgot (as did I) that they waived Thor sometime around the deadline. So his cap hit came off and they added Rundbland and Regin.

            This goes back to the other thread by the way

          • neo1978

            They waived Thor after they had already traded for Regin. The Regin trade was before the Olympics, Thor was waived after the Olympics roster freeze was over.

          • Z-man19

            And Rundbland? I’m just thinking with waiving Thor, that created the space for Regin and Rundbland. I don’t know, I’m at wait and see at this point.

          • BrandonPirri’s Corpse

            Regin is a retained salary acquisition, so his cap hit is only 375k.

            Brookbank, Rozsival or Raanta are the three players that would work here. Raanta is out for obvious reasons and Rozsival would be a very expensive burial.

          • Z-man19

            Zus would be the cheaper option than Rozs

          • BrandonPirri’s Corpse

            I was thinking 35+. But it’s a 1yr deal so Handzus would be a good option too.

          • Z-man19

            Rozs isn’t 35+? Can’t say I know but guessing he’s close

          • Accipiter

            35

          • Z-man19

            nice, now about those ribs?

          • BrandonPirri’s Corpse

            He’s 35 now, but he was 34 when he signed the deal.

  • Accipiter
    • jordyhawk

      No doubt he will get a look. Even if he does well though, it’s hard to see him holding up for long against the pounding come playoff time. Saad looked pretty worn out at time last year and he must have 30 pounds on TT. It will be fun to see him if nothing else. I watched most of WJC and he was pretty stellar.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        Saad also ran the gauntlet by playing the entirety of the lockout in rockford and then the 100 yard dash that was the regular season though.

        • jordyhawk

          Yeah, I forgot about that. I guess Rockford made sense at the time, but he ended up playing a lot of hockey didn’t he.

          • Paul the Fossil

            31 games in Rockford then 46 with the Hawks before the playoffs, yea. Nearly all of the guys he was skating against in the playoffs had played fewer games even the ones who’d spent the lockout in Europe.

          • lizmcneill

            Kruger, Leddy, and Mutt were in the Rock as well. I imagine the Red Wings’ kids, Toffoli and maybe Muzzin, and the Briuns’ young dmen were in the same situation.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I believe the plan, if the lockout hadn’t happened, was to have Saad spend the year in Rockford.

          Funny how that worked out.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Saad not traveling to Philadelphia.

    • roadhog

      Bummer, but, must have healthy Saad for the stretch . . .

      • 10thMountainFire

        Or the injury is serious enough to need medical attention.

        • Accipiter

          Or rest.

          • roadhog

            Glass half full . . . rest . . .

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yeah, the other option.

          • Z-man19

            He just had two plus weeks of rest

          • Accipiter

            Yup. And now is injured, rest may help him heal.

          • laaarmer

            He’s gonna be fine.

          • Accipiter

            Agreed.

          • Z-man19

            always the optimist

    • laaarmer

      He’d rather be here than Philadelphia

      • Accipiter

        Deep dish pizza or cheese steak ?

        • laaarmer

          I’d rather have a Beef sandwich from Als than either.

          • Accipiter

            Homemade ribs for me.

          • laaarmer

            How much for one rib?

          • Z-man19

            one? Go the whole rack

          • Bannerman

            can you break a hundred?

          • Accipiter

            I’ll ask Eve.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I sho am hungry!

          • Z-man19

            spare or back ribs? HUGE difference

          • Accipiter

            Back ribs.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Nothing good has come out of Philadelphia since they cracked the bell.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Joan Jett!

          • 10thMountainFire

            I did love her once. She was up there with Nancy Wilson of Heart for my childhood women appreciations.

          • 1benmenno

            You wanted to go crazy on her, Magic Man?

          • 10thMountainFire

            She was my Dreamboat Annie.

        • lizmcneill

          There was this one game where the Blackhawks technically took something out of Philadelphia after a game there. That was pretty good.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That wasn’t exported. It was imported from Chicago.

    • lizmcneill

      Noooo.

      Did anyone see him take a head hit at any point? It’s all a bit too vague in a familiar way for my liking.

      • 10thMountainFire

        CNS posted on it after the game and said it looked like a shot to the leg. Charlie horse?

        • lizmcneill

          it’s “undisclosed UBI” which is always ominous.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Day-to-day. Progressing nicely. Not serious. We’ll see.

          • lizmcneill

            Ignore that car wrapped around an L support beam.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It’s not mine. I swear. I’m ok.

          • lizmcneill

            Feeling fine, crashing into a stationary object at 9am is completely unrelated to any hits to the head I absolutely did not suffer recently.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Charlie horse. I’m going to keep saying it until it’s true or the altar to Saad-Hossa-Toews burns out the entire set of candles.

          • lizmcneill

            Be well, bbHossa.

        • Hawkeytalk

          Distressing. I’ve gotten very used to having him in the lineup. He has seemed so durable. Didn’t have an LBI that dropped him lower in the draft? Sure as hell hope that this didn’t somehow reinjure it. Shudder.

      • Accipiter

        Kronwall hit him near the end of the 1st period (with around 4 min. left). Did not look like his head got hit.

        • Hawkeytalk

          NHL app saying during the 2nd. CONSPIRACY!

        • 10thMountainFire

          Hit in his lower body. The only one on the team that the incident could result in a concussion on is Versteeg.

        • VerStig

          As if we needed another reason to hate the guy. XMF would call him al Qaeda.

    • birdhead

      I am pretty unhappy about this.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I’ve been lighting candles at the altar all day.

  • Paul the Fossil

    After last night’s awesomeness Hossa leads all NHL forwards (and is 2nd among all players) in plus-minus per game played: plus-27 in 58 games. Meanwhile Saad and Seabrook are now tied for 6th among all NHL players in total plus-minus, at plus-29 for the season.

    Also this is interesting: the Hawks and Blues are now dead even in 5on5 ratio of G/GA which some stats guys believe to be the best predictor of playoff success. They are both at 1.41 which is 3rd in the league (ANA is at 1.42, BOS is at 1.55). The Hawks and Blues are also virtually tied in PP% for the season to date. The two major statistical differences between the two teams are (a) the Hawks generate 6.3 more shots per game than they allow compared to STL’s difference of 2.8, and (b) the Blues rank 2nd in the league in PK% compared to the Hawks’ 23rd. [Stats are per NHL.com and I think the Hawks' PK rank goes up a bit if you factor in shorties but the overall point remains.]

    Point (b) is not news around here and it’s encouraging that the Hawks have been raising their season PK% lately.

    Point (a) represents a bit of a test of the shot quality debate, right? If you believe that shot quality is a controllable/repeatable variable between NHL teams, the fact that STL has a better record while producing fewer shots than the Hawks supports that idea. On the other hand if you disagree you might view STL’s poorer shots ratio as a downward predictor, that they have been getting unsustainable W-L results given their overall play as reflected by shot totals.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Excellent post.

      Those head-to-head games against St. Louis have about three minutes worth of difference in deciding them in the Blues’ favor. If they went the other way, there would be fewer people to feed on the ledge.

      Not worried.

  • unkind

    hey guys long timer lurker .. just wondering if someone would post the marian hossa business card id like to see that again after what The hossa did last night

    • 10thMountainFire

      Epic TMFF awesomeness.

      I second this.

      • jordyhawk

        On his goal he circled behind Seabrook to pick up speed and then just blew through the neutral zone while Wings stood in cement at their blue line watching the puck. Terrible defending, but cool play to watch for the good guys.

        • unkind

          no i know where to find the goal.. im talking about a business card that was posted here and it was epic!

          • jordyhawk

            I wasn’t directing you to the goal. I was simply making a comment about the play he made. I know about the card you are referring to.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Know exactly what you’re talking about. TMFF and I discussed it the day prior to his making it. It’s among his best works.

          • unkind

            it really is great

          • Z-man19

            Hey, don’t try taking all the credit, I was in on that too.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It was all TMFF.

          • Z-man19

            I suggested something, I KNOW IT. Just can’t remember what it was. FINE, it was all TMFF

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Where is the TMFF monkey? Someone has asked him to dance, so he better well dance.

      • unkind

        that picture?

    • Hawkeytalk

      Welcome. About that user name….

      • 10thMountainFire

        Soundgarden reference?

        • unkind

          i dont know.. its just something i have been using online for a while my name is james lol

          • Z-man19

            so you’re an unkind James? You should speak with laaarmer, he can be unkind too

          • Bullitt315

            He’s not unkind. He just has a lawn he’d like you to stay off of.

          • Z-man19

            and don’t make him wait at a stop sign

          • unkind

            lol .. i know i read this all the time

          • Hawkeytalk

            So far you don’t seem trolly, i.e. prouncements based on supposition, or needlessly provocative. So weird username is ok as long as you don’t live up to it.

          • 1benmenno

            Cruel to be kind in the right measure.

          • Z-man19

            or agonizingly friendly

    • unkind

      so about that picture??

  • laaarmer

    How about that Leddy Roz pairing last night? I wanted to kill myself when they were out there.

    Not Roz’s best night.

  • Joe Banks

    Ben fucking Smith. Looking at that picture, I recall his success in the playoffs in 2011, and when that Horse’s ass Brendan Smith cheap-shotted him in the pre-season, leading to a series of heartbreaking setbacks…
    But he never gave up, and now he’s here… Ben fucking Smith!

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      we’re all in the newer thread…

      • Accipiter

        Are we ?

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          You’re knot