• 10thMountainFire

    I get it. The Peverly-James meme is dumb. It’s pseudo-racist. I agree on that 100%. I don’t know the intentions of the person who made the meme but it’s fair to assess that this may have played a role. But please… hockey fans are hardly the only ones who do this. Basketball fans constantly deride hockey as a ‘fringe’ sport. Just on this story specifically, I saw posts that stated ‘you and all 10 hockey fans agree’ on the meme. And other posts talking about how hockey is violent and legalized criminality for fighting on the ice. Let’s not act like fans of basketball haven’t done this to hockey. But the writer of that piece writes for a web site that lives off of piles of garbage.

    Deadspin is trash. Deadspin appeals to vultures. It was created as a gossip site. It’s TMZ for sports. It’s for people entertained by the drama and personality issues that have nothing to do with athletic achievement. They bullied Patrick Kane for years. Many of those writers know nothing about hockey yet they went after Kane. So let’s not just assume this photo (which I don’t like… at all) is singly indicative of the chasm between NBA and NHL fans. Because that in and of itself is promoting racism and prejudice.

    People who take Deadspin seriously are those entertained by trash news. Those kind of people seek out Kardashian stories. It’s sidebar nonsense and inconsequential to athletic achievement. Guys like Bernstein used it in the Te’o ‘controversy’, of which none mattered to the playing of sports.

    So, in conclusion, if you take Deadspin seriously as a source for sports news, you’re also likely to be buying The National Enquirer in the grocery store line because one time, way back, they broke the John Edwards story. Please.

    • Bullitt315

      Disagree, agree, agree, agree. By paragraph.

      The whole every minor little thing is racist is stupid. If you’re going to compare an athlete in a sport that is 90% white to a sport that is 80% black, you’re probably going to get a white vs black meme even if it’s random. That’s the math.

      People need to learn to take a joke. That’s all it was. I laughed.

      • lizmcneill

        Something can have racist connotations even if the intent was not to be racist. What does a “white guy brave, black guy wuss” meme do in a world where people genuinely think the black guy is inherently inferior?

        Never mind the question of whether we should be celebrating the ingrained response of a disoriented player and what that says about an environment where guys endanger their health by playing through concussions, broken ribs, etc.

        • Bullitt315

          Something is seriously screwed up in your head if you look at that picture and say “White guy superior black guy inferior” and if you’re going to assume everybody else is thinking that, maybe you’re the one with the problem.

          It’s not black guy vs white guy. It’s “Hockey player vs. basketball player”

          And it’s never black people that are screaming “OMG, that’s so racist” it’s white social justice warriors. Give it a rest.

          • lizmcneill

            Context is everything. What do you think the incremental effect of continually doing this sort of thing is? Where the just-so-happens-be-black guy is always the unfavorable comparison?

            I really want PK Subban to do something as worthy of celebration as not using the word “I” when addressing the media, just to see what happens.

            I’m sure it’s news to Kat of Runs on Duncan and Harrison Mooney that they are “white social justice warriors”.

          • Bullitt315

            Harrison Mooney is a SJW. Almost all sports writers are.

          • lizmcneill

            “And it’s never black people”

            ^ see counterexamples.

          • Bullitt315

            So she’s an Asian social justice warrior. She’s still a social justice warrior.

          • lizmcneill

            So what? what’s so terrible about social justice?

          • Bullitt315

            I don’t watch hockey to get into debates with social justice warriors

          • lizmcneill

            So then don’t tweet crass memes that crap on minorities.

          • raditzzzz

            don’t do it guys! we are playing right into deadspin’s hands by arguing about the meaning of a meme and those who want to write about it as if it is some major evaluation of social consciousness.

            now, on to my daily reading of the weekly world news. i need to see what bat boy is up to.

          • 10thMountainFire

            The guy who ‘broke’ the Te’o story is about as athletic as a hippo. If that guy has played even one sport in his entire life, he played back-up deep-deep roving right field for a pick-up team at his local park.

          • Preacher

            A hippo? Is that a fat joke? Sure, pick on the fat guy!!!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Actually, he was a skinny person with a frail voice and a latent insecurity that was betrayed by his assertive and arrogant disposition in addressing all things related to Te’o.

          • cliffkoroll

            Now you’re beating up on the frail-voiced? Remedial sensitivity training for you.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Welp, there goes my Saturday.

          • guest

            Maybe this is because 90% of the people who get to sit behind microphones and in front of cameras in this country are white, and many of the 10% who aren’t want to call attention to anything but that. Being the only person of color in a room of white people is exhausting, because now your opinion stands as proxy for 100 million Americans. Avoiding speaking on it means avoiding being “the token” black guy your media outlet trots out every time race comes up. Many also grin and bear it and do it anyway, but then they’re summarily dismissed because “well of course YOU’D think that.”

            If you want a full-throated social justice warrior, I’d recommend Ta-Nehisi Coates on The Atlantic. He’s not shy of calling a spade a spade.

          • Bullitt315

            Coates is the token black guy who can’t handle the simplest of criticism. I don’t read crappy writers who tell me how black people feel just because they’re black.

            I’m sure 90% of the people who sit behind the Mic in China are Asian. I’m sure somehow that’s racist.

          • guest

            AAAaaaaand there you go. Thanks for making my point.

            If you’re white and you care about massive social disparities in our country, your opinion is invalid because you’re just a white person standing up for things that even black people don’t see as injustices! When black people do speak up, oh they’re just token reporters who can’t handle simplest of criticism. You somehow have a big old cake, eat it too, and then say you’re oppressed. It’s amazing.

            As for the ludicrous China apples-to-oranges comparison, it’s almost like a country of immigrants will have different racial dynamics than one which has grown largely through natural population growth. If over a third of china’s population was not asian, yeah, that would be pretty racist. It’s not, though.

      • guest

        It’s weird how the people imploring others to “learn how to take a joke” are always the ones with the power and wealth, and the people who need to learn are always the powerless. It’s easy to let others laugh at you when you have the “last laugh” in pretty much every way. This isn’t about LeBron. If he’s even seen the meme, I’m sure he’s dried his tears with stacks of $10,000 bills. To my knowledge, he hasn’t said anything about the picture either. I’m not sure he cares.

        It’s about every other young black man trying to make it, whether in sports or life.

        What it does is perpetuate the stereotype that we see rife in hockey right now: black guys are naturally talented, but lazy and selfish and that has no place in our sport for hard-working, lunchpail, blue collar (white face…?) Ontario Boys. “Hockey culture” is so racist it still has features 1900s racism when Slavs and Europeans weren’t quite “white” yet. Euros are soft, Russians are enigmatic, it goes on.

        Sure it’s just a joke. So were minstrel shows. I’m sure the person who made the meme wasn’t cackling and rubbing his hands together, anticipating how this was going to hold the black man down. It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t nudge the needle towards that the tiniest bit. Doesn’t mean that it’s not problematic.

        “Humor or PC, pick one” is really easy to say when you’re trying to defend something you laugh at. Try saying it when it’s about something you care about, say your buddy makes a your mom joke after your mother just passed away in a horrible, gut-wrenching way. Learn how to take a joke, man!

        • Bullitt315

          To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.

          .

          • guest
          • Bullitt315

            How many people have been lynched in the USA in 2014?

            Compare that to how many people have been victims of the knockout game.

          • guest

            “The knockout game” didn’t exist until the media made it so as part of the general “fear sells papers.”

            Also, wait, did you just equate the massive, de facto legality of mob-based capital punishment as “justice” for perceived crimes committed by black people which resulted in the murder of thousands, to a vaguely defined “thing that urban youths do” that has at most resulted in a handful of injuries and the clutching of thousands of pearls by suburban whites? Because that’s what I think you did.

          • Bullitt315

            Yes the media invented the knockout game…

            One of them has happened in my lifetime, one of them hasn’t. If you go back far enough, we’re all “historically oppressed”

          • guest

            Except one of them has legacies that actually matter today. Does the knockout game preclude you from getting a job? Lynching kept black people out of numerous career paths and neighborhoods until the 80s. Have you heard about the black college student that moved in next door to Daley? If your parents were forced to live somewhere and forced to have a shitty job, I’d say that probably has an impact on your life, even if that particular threat of violence doesn’t exist against you.

            Is it maybe possible that redlining, lynching, or Jim Crow have had an effect on this generation? That ghettoes exist because people were forced there, not because black people somehow all want to live together and wallow in poverty and crime? That UNTIL your lifetime, it was simply not possible to move out might have some impact on the people who were born when you were?

            The world extends beyond your lifetime. Are you really that myopic? If you shoot me in the shoulder yesterday and I pinch your ass today, is the pinch more pressing because it happened most recently and “if you go back far enough, we were all assaulted?”

          • Bullitt315

            Except I’m not related to any of the people who did the lynching. It’s like you pinching my ass because someone else shot you.

          • guest

            Except you benefit from its effects. As long as you graduated high school, there are proportionately fewer black people who are as competitive as you in the job market (getting worse as you increase in education). Randomized trials show that, even with all other things equal on a resume, hiring managers are more likely to trust a Sean than a Deshawn.

            I’m not putting you on trial. All I want is for black people to get the same opportunities you do. Yes, that means investing more to make up for centuries of denying black people investment, and even denying them the right to invest in themselves. Yes, that means you’ll have more competition. Yes, if your reference frame is the last 15 minutes, it’s “unfair.” Suck it up.

          • Bullitt315

            The reasons black people might get hired less is because all of the lawsuits you’d have to go through if they’re a bad employee and you have to fire them. The disability act (can’t remember actual name) had the same effect on disabled people and less of them got hired. Unintended consequences

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Oh boy.

          • Accipiter

            How ’bout those Hawks ?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Who now? Pretty neato that two of the best shots I’ve seen all season long were in the game last night. Duchene and then Kane … Pow.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Goaltenders givin’ up softies and Toews needs a benchin’.

          • guest

            Yeah I’m done.

          • Accipiter

            You should have ended with “Yeah I’m done”.

          • guest

            Good advice taken.

          • Waylon

            While he’s certainly entitled to his opinion (and I’ll fight to the
            death his right to say it in public), I’m sick of the kinds of moral
            posturing that goes on all the time now, everyone’s a victim of someone
            else, no one is responsible for their own actions, it’s always someone
            else holding down some other ethnic/religious/gender/whatever so it’s
            all their fault in the end. I don’t come here to be lectured or harangued by my alleged intellectual betters. This is a sports blog, not a morality
            play.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            you can actually delete it yourself

          • 10thMountainFire

            Oh my Hossa.

          • thefearlessfreep

            When asked by Mike Wallace how are we going to stop racism, Morgan Freeman responded:
            “Stop talking about it. I’m going to stop calling you a white man. And I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You’re not going to say, “I know this white guy named Mike Wallace.” Hear what I’m saying?

            LeBron is a basketball player. Peverley is a hockey player. Two different athetes playing two different sports. END OF STORY.

          • Waylon

            thank you for saying what I tried to explain just a minute ago. I remember that interview quite well.

          • cliffkoroll

            Far and away the most intelligent comment on this thread. Thank you.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Shouldn’t you be thanking Morgan Freeman?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Good point. Just don’t tell the Native Americans…

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Except for the 6 or more people that died because of the “Knockout” “Game”. We’ll just sweep those under the rug…

          • lizmcneill

            You seriously think black people have more power in society than white people, across the board?

        • M7

          Regarding the mom joke thingy you mentioned…

          I was in highschool with a guy who lost his mom to cancer towards the end of grade 11. During an english class in grade 12, about 6 of us were in the corner of the room making things difficult for the teacher when the following conversation happened (I remember this clear as day):

          Teacher: Michael, how would your mother feel about what you just said? Maybe I should call her and tell her what you said:
          Mike: Let me know if you get through, that would be one hell of a phone call.

          Classic line. Anyways, my point being that the number of people that have the ability to role/counter a joke that they may be sensitive to is relatively small (IMO). For all I know this guy may have carried the thought around for a couple of days despite the perfect timing of his retort.

          • guest

            What a tough guy!

            Two notes: 1) The ability to put on a tough outward face does not mean that joke did not impact him. I’ve grinned and beared through things that were incredibly offensive to me, especially from those with power over me (bosses etc.) or where a reaction would otherwise have cost me in social standing.

            2) “That guy’s with it, therefore you should be OK with it” is the most ridiculous, self-centered way to look at human relationships I can even conceive of.

            This isn’t even about PC, it’s about not being an asshole. If you say things you know will probably hurt someone, (but not if they just grow a thicker skin like this guy I knew once!), you’re an asshole. Full stop.

          • Why

            Chuckling rules always apply. That’s an upvote.

    • Preacher

      Agree with most of this, 10th. But racist? No. Good heavens, LeBron is the biggest name in basketball so he’s going to get the most press. And take the most shots. Just like Michael did.
      And I don’t know why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this. I thought it was funny. A joke. That’s all. I don’t think there’s any great societal statement being made. It’s like the comparisons that were made in the past (before Pinterest) that laughed at a baseball pitcher missing a game due to a blister on his finger vs. a football player playing with a cast on his arm.
      With everyone being so overly sensitive these days, I’m glad Monty Python came along when they did. They’d never be allowed to do their stuff today. Lighten up, people.

      • Bullitt315

        Exactly.

        Humor/Political Correctness. Choose one.

      • Paul the Fossil

        I generally agree that claims of racism are overblown (because nowadays they so frequently are). But in this particular case, sadly, it’s pretty clearly an accurate point.

      • M7

        Ever try throwing a curve with a blister? Brutal. Pitchers can’t tape their fingers either.

        I know, I know… i have a remarkable ability to recognise the most important point within a post.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Those are good points.

      • guest

        The final meme sticks in my craw. South Park or Family Guy make more “offensive” jokes today than Monty Python did in their prime and they are “allowed” to do so just fine.

        • Bullitt315

          If nobody gets offended, is it really offensive?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yesterday a rather large person was delaying many of us getting on the train before the doors closed, among us a man with a cane. As I pushed this person to the side so the man with the cane could board, this person remarked ‘I don’t like people walking in front of me. I ought to just hit you for that.’ I lost my cool and stated ‘If you touch him, I’m going to knock your ____ into last week so you can get civilized and not have this incident.’ The people on the train laughed. I assume many of them were morons as well.

          • Accipiter

            The train was alive ?

          • 10thMountainFire

            I already edited.

            <Moron.

    • OMFS88

      People EVERYWHERE are morons.
      Whether they are hockey fans, NBA fans or listen to NASCAR on the radio, a huge swath of earth’s populace is stupid and should be ignored.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Many of them drive in front of me on the expressway, walk in front of me in public, and seem to be incapable of knowing that walking on a treadmill reading a magazine infuriates me.

        • Bullitt315

          People in the airport who just stop for no reason when everyone else is moving… I don’t like them.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Train doors open, person in front of you decides ‘yeah, now is a good time to text message while a line of people are trying to get off the train’.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Sorry… altercation on the train yesterday. I won’t be bothered by that person again.

      • cliffkoroll

        Ample evidence in favor of your thesis in this very comments section.

        • Accipiter

          Guilty.

    • lizmcneill

      Deadspin’s trash, but this has been going on for days on twitter.

    • M7

      Good summary. I don’t understand people’s need to discount or vociferously reject what other people like (in general).

      I don’t like watching basketball and don’t find it entertaining, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to grandstand over my dislike for it either. What’s wrong with just saying, “um… yeah, it’s ok – you know I’m not really a big fan of _________ (insert sport or whatever)..”

      • 10thMountainFire

        That’s essentially my position as well. I grant that the meme can be interpreted as racist. I understand how that can happen even as I don’t know the motives of the person who created it so I don’t impugn that person his/her self. Even granting that, the article referenced above is just whining. All we have to do is read the title to know where they come from on hockey at that site.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      I gotta say that while I actually like Sam Smith (and I am pretty damn indifferent to basketball these days), he is a part of this scene. He constantly goes out of his way to take pot-shots at other sports (and hockey in particular) in order to support his claim that basketball is the best sport out there.

      It would be nice for someone of his intellect to be able to make that argument based on the merits of the sport rather than based on the flaws of other sports (particularly when he turns a blind eye to the flaws of the sport he’s defending). I think he likes to do it to “take the piss” as our British friends might say, but it’s pretty annoying and stoops to a level of discourse I wish at least serious sports journalists would try to avoid.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I agree. My point was that if basketball fans want to position themselves as ‘victims’ of hockey fans in this instance (and given the headline of the Deadspin piece, that is exactly the position they took) then they can take it, too. I can’t count how many times basketball fans have made remarks about hockey being for ‘stupid fans’, a ‘fringe sport’, and ‘violent caveman stuff’. They can dish but they can’t take. So they whine like that weak journalism school drop-out did in the article on that poor excuse for an online sports outlet.

        • guest

          Everyone can dish out but can’t take. How about that victim complex among hockey fans? I can’t count the number of times on this site I’ve seen a multiple-upboated comment along the lines of “Toews credits team for a goal he scored in interview, this sport is so much better than others I could name.”

          The fallout from the whole ESPN fracas, the obvious 4th-sport chip-on-shoulder.. it’s definitely there. Hockey is not thought well of in mainstream media and we all know it, and many of us are very sensitive about it.

          It’s not really shocking. Sports is based on irrationally thinking a group of guys are virtuous and talented because they are employed by a company based in your town, and that all the other employees of other companies are shitheads and assholes. If you choose to love a company that’s not from your town based on their objective ability to win, you’re a fair weather fan and a bandwagoner and all sorts of terrible things. No surprise that a pursuit as fundamentally tribalist as this would result in weird tribalism on the level of your sport vs another sport.

          • Bullitt315

            I also think hockey fans should “get over it” Being a permanent victim brings you down. Busting each others balls is part of the fun of sports.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Or when the ‘writer’ of the ‘article’ says this:

            ‘First, let’s see if we can agree on this: Rich Peverley was dumb for wanting to get back into the game after his heart stopped. Not brave, not noble, certainly not tough. We do not blame him, because he was disoriented, the lack of oxygen to his brain physically crippling his decision-making abilities. If Peverley seriously believed he was going to play, he was being monumentally stupid, and the people in the room when he woke up, actual hockey coaches and medical experts, didn’t entertain the thought for a millisecond.’

          • 10thMountainFire

            Let’s put the article in context, shall we?

            In the article, the ‘author’ inserts several memes to push his point. Not once does he provide a counter-argument. This would likely be attributed to his being a ‘blogger’ and not a ‘writer’ (yes, I can jump to conclusions, too). So it’s fairly convenient for a guy who writes the majority of his ‘columns’ on basketball (check his record…) to deride hockey fans. The site is frequented by more basketball fans than hockey fans. So he’s sculpting the narrative and letting the narrative sculpt his column. If you know anything about that trash heap of a bandwidth thief, you know they miss no opportunity to bash hockey and hockey fans.

            Also, putting ‘the worst’ in a column (especially as often as he did) is something a 12-year old would do. Journalism drop-outs… unite.

          • guest

            I’m not saying the article isn’t shitty, it most certainly is. I’m saying that expecting any sports article (especially ones about a “controversy,” which is usually trumped up by the media with inflammatory articles so that other parts of the media can write more inflammatory articles about how inflammatory those articles were) to be in any way objective journalism is insane.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That’s a fair point, absolutely. But why is it that he calls Peverly ‘stupid’ in the same paragraph that he says we shouldn’t blame him… yet then gets all whiny about Lebron James being called ‘not tough’?

          • raditzzzz

            my response to the author of the article is the following:

            u mad bro?

  • Beans

    Kane’s celly>

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    Brookbank as a defenseman has actually been petty solid for a bottom pairing/7th guy, not exactly a “liability”

    • raditzzzz

      i agree, to my eye test, the banker has done alright when called upon (in a defense role). but all 7th d-men are liabilities by virtue of being 7th d-men. this is an inescapable caste system.

  • bigtreina

    Tribune article biased for the team or what. I mean, how could they call Anti Raanta’s performance “solid” in the game? Anytime you give up a softy, you relinquish the right to call your performance solid. It’s not that he didn’t make some saves – but he gave up 3 goals for cryin out loud.

    • 10thMountainFire

      What if the goaltender is 59-60 and his one allowed goal is ‘a softie’?

      • Bullitt315

        Trade him!

        • 10thMountainFire

          /Luongo’d

      • bigtreina

        What if the guy is a saint but murders someone. I know, a little extreme…not trying to troll this topic but to call Raanta’s game ‘solid’ when the Hawks lose by a goal – and one of the goals is a softie…well

        • 10thMountainFire

          Not extreme at all. Totally works as an analogy. Not in the least bit odd.

    • Accipiter

      Crawford gives up a softy almost every game.

      • bigtreina

        Most games Crow plays in, he’s good, not great. Do you consider him an elite goaltender? Brodeur/Hasek in his prime? I guess it comes down to your definition of solid. IMO you don’t give up softies and have a solid performance.

    • raditzzzz

      all goalies are solid no matter what. i’d like to see a guard in basketball or a hitter in baseball maintain a .900 average in order to be called “mediocre.” TAKE THAT OTHER SPORTS!!! BUUUUURRRRRN

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Make sure you include Emery in there.

      • Bullitt315

        There’s an old Tennis joke. “What do you call a tennis player who hits the ball 30% of the time?”

        Unemployed.

  • VanDorp’sMullet

    Get the torches and pitchforks! It’s time to storm the castle! http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/10600154/idaho-hockey-fans-suing-arena-beer-prices

    • Bullitt315

      People are stupid. The great news is the new larges are 24 oz and they’ll still be 3 bucks more than the 20 oz small. Is it no math Thursday?

      • guest

        2 smalls requires either having an extra cup about to knock over and the high probability that half your beer will be warm and flat, or waiting in line twice. The large gives you the psychological benefit of “only having one beer,” and of not being the kind of namby-pamby sissypants that gets a small beer. If that’s worth $3 to people, who are we to judge? The free market will decide.

        • Bullitt315

          This guy is suing them because of it. Clearly he wasn’t in it for piece of mind. So he’s either a fraud or an idiot.

          • guest

            He’s suing them because they promised him 3 oz. AND peace of mind. He only got one.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Good to know that everyone is psychologically deficient instead of thinking they really want more beer this time. I’m sure the reason people buy large vs. small has nothing to do with wanting 24oz versus 16oz or thinking they’d like to enjoy a period without getting up in the middle for another beer. Nope. Turns out everyone is still in high school. It is only a coincidence that every where else you go, they tell you how much beverage is in each size and that, in this case, the arena is specifically misrepresenting size to make a profit.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Who or how could anyone ever profit by misrepresenting size?

            Ha! Penises! GET IT?!!???

          • 1benmenno

            Please explain.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’ll have to email … it requires pictures.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Ben, do not open that.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Ben there. Done that.

          • guest

            My impression was that bullit’s point was about the NEW sizes, not the ones involved in the case. The lawsuit clearly has grounds because it was deliberate misrepresentation and basically theft. He was pointing out the mathematical ridiculousness of buying the marked 24 oz for a much higher price per oz than the price of 2 20 oz.

          • guest

            Why the hell do we use oz for ounces?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            lb. was already taken, I think.

          • Bullitt315

            Nah, it clearly wasn’t theft. I think it’s bad business but the misrepresentation was giving the small a 20oz beer when it was advertised for 16. The large was what was advertised and the people who got smalls benefited. Again, absolutely stupid from a PR perspective but not “fraud”

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I don’t think it’s as “clear” as you might. Why would they use a taller (yet skinnier) cup as their large? Why did they go down from a 24oz to a 20oz on the large size and then go back up to 24oz once caught? Was the vendor really content with losing $3 per “small” ordered? Boise is a conservative/mormon town and I remember the small beers selling more than the large. The guy in charge can say anything he wants, but in the end, intent should be the rule and if you sell two products identical in composition, labeling one “small” and one “large” should have a distinction in volume or it’s false advertising.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I doubt the majority of beer drinkers would continue to buy the large over the small if they knew the sizes were not as far apart as the pricing (falsely) indicates. Having been to the arena in question, they used to actually post the sizes and it was 16oz and 24oz. and $4.50/$6 respectively.

    • raditzzzz

      that is just awesome. DON’T MESS WITH PEOPLES BEER.

  • Paul the Fossil
    • birdhead

      To steal someone’s line from twitter: “PDucksO”

  • ballyb11

    Need to add this to the TCI bylaws.

    The Committed Indian is not alllied with any sect, denomination or politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any contreversy, neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to discuss hockey and it’s subtle nuances.

    • 10thMountainFire

      It stemmed from an article on hockey and hockey fans. I posted it. I take full responsibility for it. If you don’t like it, you have my apologies.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Z-man just emailed me again, said, “Get a load of XMF, eh Chico? Apologies? Bullshit.”

        • 10thMountainFire

          I like ballyb and wanted to apologize for starting a fire. That Z is a jerk.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I like ballyb, too! And ya, no doubt, Z’s really changed his stripes over the last little while.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I thought he and I were friends. I let him pet my dog. And I don’t even HAVE a dog.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I just pray it wasn’t a pretend lapdog, then.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Z is giving out free pretend lapdog pets?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            That’s the word on the street. Makes sense, haven’t seen him around.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Well, I ‘m off to the shelter to pickup a pretend lapdog then.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            let me fix that: I’m “off” to the “pretend” “lapdog” “shelter” then.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Word to the wise: avoid the ones who can’t “shake hands.”

          • Z-man19

            FUCK ALL YOU BASTARDS, my van has windows

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            By the by… sorry I came a-knockin’ the other night. Should have known better.

          • Accipiter

            He tried to give me one. I don’t have the room.

          • Bullitt315

            I feel like I’m missing the joke. I hate missing the joke

          • 10thMountainFire

            Z and Chico talk about how they don’t like me. Z is especially mean because he likes Bollig and I prefer him not to play as much.

          • Accipiter

            To be fair to Zed and not Chico, you do like Mike Smith and the Coyotes.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That’s really beyond the pale. Because Papa John’s has awful pizza.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            To be clear … I like you very much, but Z has detected some non-existent allegiance in me and has been confiding his true feelings. Makes me uncomfortable. On the one hand, I feel I should tell him where I stand; on the other, he says he’ll pet my lapdog if I can just stay quiet.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Z must drive a windowless van.

          • Z-man19

            Don’t listen to that pinko bastard Chico, he’s probably jerking off in his Stalin Throne Room right now

  • VerStig

    I think we forgot how to use the Palomino in this thread…

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Clearly we beat it until its dead and then beat it some more, right?

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        viola!

    • 10thMountainFire

      Non-game days at TCI are like Vancouver after a Canucks loss.

      • Accipiter

        Not anymore.

  • 10thMountainFire

    This thread is ugly. ‘How ugly’, you ask?

    • 1benmenno

      How ugly?

      • Accipiter

        It has no alibi.

      • 10thMountainFire

        So ugly a bowling shoe wouldn’t take it out for a burger.

    • CR64

      Bowling shoe ugly??

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      So ugly Tracy Jordan’s going to take it behind the middle school and get it pregnant?

      • CR64

        • Waylon

          phrasing.

  • chichicagochi
    • VerStig

      Lol @ the parent covering the little girl’s eyes…

      • 10thMountainFire

        ‘No, honey… we don’t watch Brookbank at forward.’

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

  • Waylon

    We really shouldn’t have need of mods for this blog 24/7, but this kind of day is just begging for it. Only yesterday we were making fun of political meatballs on both sides of the equation, yet here were are. Sheesh.

  • Paul the Fossil

    Let’s find something else to irritate each other about, eh?

    The issue of whether the Hawks let teams off the hook, or have enough of a killer instinct in the third period, recurs now and then. Greg W of Puck Daddy decided to give it a factual look league-wide:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/which-nhl-teams-are-the-best-and-worst-closers-165814868.html

    Considering this season and last together it turns out that the Hawks actually lead the NHL in entering the third period with a lead. Their record in such games is 54-2-5 which is quite good though not the very best: the Kings are 40-1-2, the Ducks 50-1-4, the Rangers 37-1-1. Three other teams also have only a single regulation loss in this circumstance but in far fewer such games than the Hawks.

    Basically it looks like the Hawks are actually very good at holding third-period leads but since they _have_ more third-period leads than anyone else, they eventually blow a couple. And of course we all remember the blown leads much more vividly than the ones that were successfully protected.

    • birdhead

      And of course we all remember the blown leads much more vividly than the ones that were successfully protected.

      Just as we remember the turnovers more than the shots on goal, the penalties taken more than the penalties drawn, etc. It really gets in the way of, you know, knowing stuff.

      • lizmcneill

        Curse this non-objective human mind!

    • birdhead

      Also I wish that table were actually sorted by record rather than by percentages of games entering with a lead. More useful for the point at discussion. Good post though, thanks for the link.

  • laaarmer

    Subject change

    Raantanator or Snagglepuss (Hannah Barbera)?
    OR
    Bomb Russia to stop them invading or Invade Ukraine preemptively (before Russia does)?

    • 10thMountainFire

      I do believe you’re insane.

      • laaarmer

        Raanta or Lababs?

        The Russia thing? What would “W”do?

        • 10thMountainFire

          He’d play Raanta.

          • laaarmer

            Because he’s the decider!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Also because ‘Raanta’ is more fun to say out loud.

      • Waylon

        but they’re after our precious bodily fluids.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Mandrake, have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?

    • cliffkoroll

      Heavens to Murgatroyd.

      Ummm…Raanta, exit stage left…to Kiev?

  • Oldfarthawkfan

    Finally have the cajones to join the blog. As my handle says I am an old fart hawk fan, unfortunately living in LA for the past 30 years although family is still in the Chicagoland area.. Hawks are in my blood, my parents used to take the streetcar and sit in the second balcony of the Stadium in the 30′s, my parents had season tickets since I was born (Tony O letting in the shot from center ice from Lemaire in the 71 finals still breaks my heart (15 at the time), after college, had my own season seats in the second balcony (only $8 per seat at the time) till I was transferred out to LA in 83. I follow the hawks through streaming besides NHL network and NBCsn, along with local tv when they play Anaheim or the Kings (geez I HATE that team), but more improtantly from THIS blog. Anyways enough about me, hope to post occasionally and give my perspective of what I think about the Hawks from 1,650 miles away.

    I do have a question,my nephew just returned from Afghanistan ( he is currently station in Colorado), and was awarded the bronze star. Who do I contact to try and have him stand on the ice for the anthem, it’s the least I can do for the guy

    Thanks

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      The Farthawks are my second favorite team

      • Oldfarthawkfan

        The Bizarrehawks your first?

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Now that’s just silly. Who are the Bizarrehawks?

          • Joe Banks

            Ask Superman…

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      10th should be around here shortly and he can tell you how he made it to the UC ice for the anthem.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Unbeknownst to me, my incredible family put my name in for it quite a few years ago. I was called by the USO and told I was selected for a game. The Illinois USO is the outfit you want to call in order to make it happen. Do you have their number?

      • Oldfarthawkfan

        I can find it, thanks for the info.

        • 10thMountainFire

          If you need any help whatsoever, please don’t be afraid to ask. Great people here at TCI and the USO. They’d love nothing better than to make your nephew’s year. It’s an experience that can’t be duplicated.

          • Oldfarthawkfan

            I have been a lurker since the TOS ran second city, I can tell that the TCI community really care about each other, although like any family they do have the occasional (daily) spat.

          • 10thMountainFire

            A family without spats is a cult.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Or a Hive.

    • ballyb11

      Yeah, but what’s your fucking opinion on racial bias in the US?

      • ballyb11

        ;)

    • CozBullsFan

      Welcome to the fray.

      • Oldfarthawkfan

        Thanks, I am sure i will be in hot water soon enough .

    • Z-man19

      Welcome sir. The agenda for the evening, all times are cst:

      830 You can tell someone to fuck off and still love them, laaarmer and Du

      930 circle jerk with Lanzer as the pivot and a possible guest appearance by cliff or ‘cip, possibly both

      10 menno will give pointers on stealing possessions (hive wine) within the hive while maintaining your status as a hive member

      1030 Coz will lead us in singing Kumbaya to close the festivities, oh and XMF will dance throughout (watch for flying pooh) the evening

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        I knew menno was stealing my prism wine!

        • Z-man19

          He’s been ‘borrowing’ your toothbrush too

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            You mean my “tooth” brush. Let’s just say if I ever have to pursue a career in porn, I won’t need to bleach.

          • Joe Banks

            It’s amazing how many places porn stars will use bleach…

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Welcome, Ye Olde Farte! I wasn’t even alive for the ’71 finals, but my heart is broken now too… until I remember something about 17 seconds.

      Be careful in the Echo Chamber. The reverb can get disorienting.

      • Oldfarthawkfan

        2010 and 2013 heals all wounds.

    • Joe Banks

      Welcome Fellow old fart! Great post!
      I was a freshman at Glenbard East high school when the heartbreak of 1971 occurred, (so I was 14???) and I will never get over it. – but 2 Stanley Cups help a bit.
      I might have been sitting next to you in those 8 dollar seats!
      I never felt the same about using a sink in the mens room after those days…
      Were you there when they dangled two North Star fans over the 2nd balcony before a playoff game?

      • Oldfarthawkfan

        Yes I was, and Dino Cicarelli still sucks. If the bathrooms didn’t make you sick, the hamburgers that looked like they were laying in that grease for months would

        • Joe Banks

          Awesome! someone else saw it! – When I tell that story, people think I’m making it up!
          That’s what you get for hanging a North Stars banner in Chicago!

  • 10thMountainFire

    Some days, there’s just no recalling it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSbPqin3L6E

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      I’m blaming fluoridation of the water.

      • 1benmenno

        Poisoning my precious bodily fluids

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          It’s an international Communist conspiracy, damn it!

          • Joe Banks

            Purity of essence

    • YoAdrienne

      Gentleman, you can’t fight in here. This is the War Room.

  • laaarmer

    So do we a ll watch Bruce Lee movies before TT gets called?

    • Accipiter

      Followed by “They call me Bruce” movies.

    • Joe Banks

      But he pulled all the hair out of Chuck Norris’ chest…
      was that the first Norris “trophy”?

  • CozBullsFan
  • JoeGrant

    Jeez! That last article! Deadspin’s Petchesky makes more excuses than Dottie Sandusky. I’ve never seen someone try to grip an athlete so conspicuously.

  • birdhead

    Bourne did a thing on Patrick Kane. You know how I feel about Kaner and even I think this is an awfully generous piece: http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2014/03/13/in-praise-of-patrick-kane/

    • 10thMountainFire

      Nope. Right on target. Patrick Kane is otherworldly.

      • birdhead

        like I said, I don’t hide how I feel about him as a hockey player …

    • birdhead

      Weirdly the most interesting thing is out of comments: he has 21 goals on the road this year, and 8 at the UC. 8!!!

      • birdhead

        Toews has 16 at home and 9 away, which is still lopsided but not quite as lopsided. Is this the product of some weird matchup issue or?

        • 10thMountainFire

          /Laaarmer’d

          • Z-man19

            */laaarmer’d

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      And yet, if I were charged to describe Kane to someone who hasn’t seen him, that’d be pretty close.

    • ballyb11

      Not at all to generous. I used to have a condo on the 35th floor looking out On Lincoln Park, downtown and Lake Michigan. Unbelievable, spectacular view. After 10 years, the view was still unbelievable, spectacular, but at times I didn’t even notice it.

      You’ve probably had the very good fortune of watching Patrick Kane almost every game of his career.

      • Waylon

        good point – I never got to see any of the home games of many of my Hawk heroes, because of Dollar Bill. Had to use my imagination via transistor radio, helped immeasurably by Lloyd Petit and then later on Foley. He was really great in the early days.

      • birdhead

        That’s fair enough. Maybe it’s the timing (following a couple of really crappy months) that strikes me.

      • cliffkoroll

        Superb analogy.

      • Hawkeytalk

        Sort of like when Jordan was playing. He’d hit another crazy game winning shot and it felt very business as usual.

    • YoAdrienne

      I think it’s quite fair. I saw my first Blackhawks game in the mid-1960s. Outside of maybe Denny Savard, there hasn’t been anyone on this team I have enjoyed watching more than Patrick Kane. He’s amazing! I’m just glad he appears to be over his off-ice dumbassery.

      • birdhead

        I’m probably just taking him for granted, as ballyb suggests …

    • cliffkoroll

      Slow clap. So much win in there.

      On the subject of backhanders and rising to the occasion, remember his playoff series winning hat trick backhander against Reboundo in 2009- he was 20.

      And the 2OT series winning rifle shot against Quick last year.

      Both at the UC, both in the west end. Unforgettable.

      /wave at my buddy McClure in 321

  • birdhead

    If you feel like being sickened, try these quotes from the commissioner of the OHL on for size: http://t.co/hi5PE0RKRd (nb contains references to suicide)

    • Why

      Which quote are you referring to?

      • birdhead

        “Unfortunately, this is life” would be favourite – way to disclaim responsibility. “The message you keep coming back to your players is: You can’t be afraid to succeed. ” is also pretty chickenshit in an environment where being afraid of success is pretty clearly the opposite of the problem.

        • Why

          You honestly figure the OHL is to blame for the player’s suicide?

          • birdhead

            I don’t think any one thing is ever responsible for someone’s suicide (except depression). I think an organisation that takes children and very young adults away from existing support networks (especially young men, who are more likely to commit suicide) and puts them in a very competitive, very succeed-or-fail environment needs to be extremely proactive about providing them with replacement support networks. And if those support networks fail you have to take responsibility for that failure. And not just say, oh, that’s life. Is it really?

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    I’m not telling you who to vote for, because I already know…

    http://www.sbnation.com/a/gif-tournament-v/finals

    • birdhead

      all the votes in the WORLD

  • Accipiter