• justforkicks

    Crow =(

    • Eddie_The_Eagle50

      Razor should be good for the short term but I wouldn’t want to see Crow miss more than 2 weeks.

      • derlemke

        Well Q said he’s progressing and doesn’t see it as long term.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Yeah, but we’ve heard similar things about other players who have gone on to miss significant time with brown brain – Toews, Hjammer, Monty…

          • derlemke

            This is true. I’m forcing myself to optimistic.

          • justforkicks

            i don’t want him coming back til he’s 100%. i’m just jumping ahead to like this weekend when we have a back to back and getting worried about the tandem and how much emery can take if it goes longer.

          • The Doctor

            Emery has looked solid so far but he also hasn’t really been tested too much aside from the Calgary game. A team as skilled as the Canucks with their puck movement could really cause problems for him on Tuesday. Then again I thought the same of San Jose and L.A.

          • justforkicks

            As long as the rest of the team is solid in front of him, we’ll be golden I think. I’m thinking Tuesday will be rough, though.

          • Eddie_The_Eagle50

            No matter who’s in net the Vancouver games are always white knuckle affairs.

          • DesertHawk

            Except when they’re not. :D

          • Eddie_The_Eagle50

            Haha. True, there have been some clunkers from both teams in this rivalry. For the most part they are pretty good games though.

          • justforkicks

            and with kesler back it may just get tougher

          • Waylon

            Let’s see if Kesler gets brushed on one shoulder during the game and goes flying away to the boards.

          • justforkicks

            tumbleweed kesler strikes again!

          • Waylon

            still one of the funniest gif’s I’ve ever seen regarding hockey.

          • Joe Banks

            Ultimately, a Goalie is as good as the defense in front of him. Ask Mike Smith. Or Chris Campoli.

          • laaarmer

            That’s why the big Scandinavian person is there with pads on. Right now, Emery is the guiy and he has done well. Even if he loses 3 in a row, he has done well. If Crow is not ready, let the kid play the 1st or 2nd of the BtoB. Why not?

          • justforkicks

            I mean, I agree, just would hate to see our streak falter and getting a little nervy since Karlsson is unproven (though he may surprise us!) and idk how Emery’s hip will withstand the schedule. Hopefully well, staying positive!

          • laaarmer

            IMO, the streak is a technicality and nothing to get excited about. They are playing great, and I am enjoying the games. They are not undefeated.

          • justforkicks

            i just like winning and getting points if not. if it takes another turn then it does, still think we’re solid. most of the games have been a lot of fun.

          • Accipiter

            Yup. This is how I see it as well.

          • red palace

            I hope Karlsson can too.

            “Welcome to the NHL, kid. Now don’t fuck up the streak.”
            /gives a generous slap on the back

          • cliffkoroll

            They are undefeated in hockey. They have lost three shoot outs.

            Undefeated or not, I don’t give a shit about the streak though. Unleash the Swede!

          • Waylon

            It’s too bad that Salak lost his collective shit and flamed out spectacularly with his infamous red – ass tirade last season. He might’ve become an acceptable back – up if he’d have had his head screwed on right.

          • Joe Banks

            Agreed. I was pissed after the Minnesota game (streak ended) and a day later, it was like, the streak is still going??? What?

          • Joe Banks

            Do you mean Henrik Karlsson, AKA “The Calgary Tower”??? Why not?
            Face it, in (recent) seasons where the Hawks have had deep playoff runs, there is a tradition regarding the goaltender situation.

          • Eddie_The_Eagle50

            Yeah, it will be interesting to see how the bionic hip holds up under a bigger work load.

          • justforkicks

            maybe all the work will just keep it limber!

          • http://twitter.com/ChiNativeSon ChicagoNativeSon

            I don’t want him coming back until he’s 117%, like earlier this season.

            100% might only get you 2012 results.

          • Joe Banks

            Having been a goalie, and having had 3 concussions in one year, I can tell you this. Having to jump up and down, side to side, split second decisions, etc. – you have to be 110% over it.

    • laaarmer

      We will never win the — with Niemi as our starting goalie.

      I said this one time.

  • justforkicks

    jeez louise Avs want a lot for O’Reilly:

    Glenn Healy says that the Avs are looking for a “Kings Ransom,” two players, a prospect and a high draft pick.

    • CozBullsFan

      Hahahaha. What a joke. It will be a cold day in hell before he gets anything like that.

      • justforkicks

        i guess some avs folks say he’s asking high so can be “talked down”. but idk that seems still a bit much

        • Accipiter

          Healy said the Rangers were interested and Del Zotto was included in a package deal, then the Avs started asking for more and talks ended.

          • justforkicks

            Yeah I saw that a little later. Wonder which defenseman the Avs were thinking of sending back.

          • Accipiter

            I posted this a few days ago, http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/story/?id=416077&hubname=nhl-avalanche
            It was what some were saying about O’Reilly and his potential worth, it seems to have escalated quickly.

          • justforkicks

            ah didn’t see that. definitely interesting. idk how it makes sense that the Avs think he’s not worth the money he wants but he’s still worth all the talent they want back.

            i wonder if any teams are stepping back from O’R because this whole fiasco also makes it seem that he’s not team focused, etc.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I don’t tend to put a lock of stock into judging the character of a player specifically on salary issues. Otherwise, guys like Torres (apparently not respected on any of the teams he’s been on) wouldn’t be given chances in this league, either due to character problems. Or, in Torres’ case, dumb-fuckery.

          • justforkicks

            But there was talk about how it might also be because he wanted to be captain and didn’t get it. i mean i agree, but it is kind of me first instead of team first, so he loses a season to play and the avs aren’t doing great but he doesn’t care and he’s asking for money that he hasn’t “earned” meanwhile you have all of duchene’s quotes – and none of that talk like subban where he wanted to clearly stay. idk it is what it is, just curious to see if that kind of “behavior” would make some teams wary.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Those are good points.

          • Waylon

            His best friend on the team (I think it was…wait for it…Shane O’Brien) was being diplomatic when he discussed it in the press and reiterated how it was a business in the end. But he didn’t sound very happy with how his buddy was conducting himself, methinks. If he comes back to the team it could cause a few more problems than Subban.

          • justforkicks

            yeah i saw that – duchene’s comments were less diplomatic under the guise of what he would do in this situation. but yeah fair point of the issues that could come up from him coming back.

            i imagine at this point he just wants out

          • Accipiter

            The other more interesting option was to OS (offer sheet) him. It was suggested that if you structured the OS in such a way the Avs couldn’t or wouldn’t match it. It involved a signing bonus this year(with the salary cap being over 70 mil) , but a yearly cap hit that wouldn’t leave the team giving the OS on the hook for as many 1st round picks.

          • Waylon

            Either way I don’t see how the Hawks could afford the guy long – term. Stan will have some issues for next season, especially if the cap goes down. If he gets a new contract it will be interesting to see for how much, given the drunken spending spree we witnessed over the summer.

          • justforkicks

            huh, i wonder if as time runs out teams will finally do it

          • Joe Banks

            Let me gag a moment on (most of) the list of Chicago suggested trade bait in that article…

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Outside of Saad, I’d be ok with anyone on that list going the other way for O’Reilly. McNeill + Clandening + a pick for O’Reilly isn’t going to happen but it would be fucking awesome if it did.

          • Eddie_The_Eagle50

            I agree. Anyone but Saad from that list and I’m cool with it. We all know Stanbow covets his prospects so that trade wouldn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell.

          • Joe Banks

            There are names on that list I could justify, but a few names made me cringe, Saad being one of them. The other scary part of this is upsetting what “so far has been successful” team chemistry.

          • justforkicks

            but hawks are high on McNeill (center?) and Clendening (i think our now best d prospect?) as well right, in which case would you want to lose that for the immediate gratification of O’Reilly (that we might not even be able to afford next year).

          • birdhead

            IDK, if that’s realistic I see a lot I wouldn’t hate. You move Shaw plus a couple of the others, suddenly Chicago at C is Toews-O’Reilly-Bolly-Kruger.

            Mind you I don’t know if the Hawks can afford to sign O’Reilly – this year obviously, but next year when the cap plummets? Mm. And maybe you have to send Saad and/or Kruger instead of just, you know, Rockford spare change, but.

          • 10thMountainFire

            When I saw Saad and Kruger on the list the other day I laughed and closed the browser.

          • Eddie_The_Eagle50

            They say laughter is good for you. I hope it was a hardy laugh for you.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It was full-throated. I walked away thinking ‘I’m glad Stan Bowman is GM and not the writer of this article.’

          • Eddie_The_Eagle50

            Below this I said I’d be cool with anyone on that list but Saad and then I remembered Frogger was on the list, so yeah, fuck that guy.

    • TheFullAmonte

      Two players: Frolik and Bollig. Prospect: Beach, or if he counts Olesz as a prospect they can have him instead. Throw in a second round draft pick, or a first if they take Olesz.

      • justforkicks

        lol nice try. plus fro fro =(

      • 10thMountainFire

        Are we not done calling Kyle Beach a ‘prospect’?

        • justforkicks

          hey i still like beachy!

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m all for him being awesome. I just don’t see it anymore.

        • Waylon

          I think the Hawks may just give the kid one more season after this one – he was actually showing some real progress before he got injured last year.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I hope so. Five years is a long time.

          • Waylon

            I guess 1st round draft picks who also happen to be D – Men get the longest benefits of the doubt.

    • Eddie_The_Eagle50

      Quick, someone call Glen Sather, there’s a terrible trade to be made here.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        The irony is that’s pretty much the terrible trade that Glen Sather reportedly just turned down. Rumor was the Avs were looking for Del Zotto, either Kreider or JT Miller, and a pick in return for O’Reilly and Sather just laughed into the phone

        • Eddie_The_Eagle50

          Haha. Did not see that reported. Now I look like the dumbass.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            No need to feel silly, jumping to the conclusion of that being a Glen Sather type of deal without having read that report is pretty reasonable.

    • Joe Banks

      StanBow would never bite on this crap.

    • activestick

      Guy thinks we could get him for Saad and Kruger.(sarcasm)

  • Sparky_The_Barbarian

    When Toews had his brown brain last year, didn’t we go through a few days of ‘he’s day to day’ before they put him on IR, or am I thinking of Monty, or someone else, or lost in an electronic and drug induced dream?

    • justforkicks

      we probably heard it about all of them at some point

      • laaarmer

        Wasn’t Crosby day to day for a year?

        • justforkicks

          probably early on and after he first came back

  • girlphoenix

    A good follow up to the puck daddy story:

    Wade MacLeod @wademacleod

    Feeling very blessed with all the love and support I’ve received. I am feeling a lot better. Thank you everyone!

    • justforkicks

      aw I’m so glad!!!!!!

      • laaarmer

        Exactly. There is a boy in our town that was hit 2 seasons back in a JV game. Went into seizure in locker room. Missed 4 months of school. Still has double vision at times. Dad’s words to me last time I spoke with him “He is not the same kid” Saddest thing I’ve seen in youth sports, so far

        • justforkicks

          oh man, that is just scary and sad. poor kid

        • Z-man19

          About 6 years ago a high school football player in my area collapsed on the practice field, spent several months in a hospital with swelling on the brain. He’s alive but not close to being normal. He’d gotten his bell rung during a game the week before was a senior and felt like he had to be a leader.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Good stuff. Full recovery, hopefully.

  • DesertHawk

    Don’t know if this is already common knowledge or not, but Cimiglia says Crow has brown brain. http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/21231741/chicago-blackhawks-stay-hot-one-win-away-from-tying-nhl-record#ixzz2LGUQOOhS

    • justforkicks

      i think there has been speculation but no one has said for sure. Q is of course still saying UBI and day to day, but that it doesn’t seem to be long term

      • Accipiter

        Undisclosed Brain Injury.

        • Joe Banks

          UGH

      • 10thMountainFire

        Do we Boynton this?

    • 10thMountainFire

      So maybe we see some enforcement of the ‘don’t ram your shit into the goaltender’ rules? Because Emery could have easily been injured on that shitfuck cluster-gaggle festival they blew the call on late in the third yesterday. What does it take… two netminders lost in a week? Bettman and his merry bank of fuck-ups managed to cover-down fast on the Avery shit a few years ago but they seem to be slower than Sopel barefoot on a breakaway with addressing this nonsense.

      • Eddie_The_Eagle50

        Catfish on a breakaway is a clown college full of hilarity. We need more “warriors” like him on this team though cuz they’re all so soft….lol

        • DesertHawk

          He had his one puck handling moment in the sun against Nashville, and for that he’s got a life long “That’ll do Sopel, that’ll do.”

  • DesertHawk

    Sutter about his team “I don’t even think I’d be in the lineup if I had 0 goals at the quarter pole” Ouch…

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      First of all, we’re not close to the quarter pole yet. Common misconception – the quarter pole does not mean that you’re a quarter of the way there, it means that you’re 3/4 of the way there and there’s only 1/4 left. Secondly, to be fair, Sutter never played a season in which 1/4 of the season was only 12 games

      • DesertHawk

        Still the intent of his statement is quite ouchy to several of the big names on his team.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Oh yeah, no, he’s definitely specifically calling in the media a few of his guys who have had disappointing starts. And good on him for doing so because guys like Drew Doughty and Dustin Penner being goalless after 13 games is not a recipe for the Kings to have a successful season, and he’s gotta show both the players and the fans that it’s simply unacceptable. I’m just pointing out that a) he doesn’t know what the term “quarter pole” means, and b) he’s making a ludicrous comparison because 1/4 of this season is barely more than half of 1/4 of any season in which he played…

          • Accipiter

            Don’t you think he knows that the season is 48 games long ?

          • Joe Banks

            Some poles are bigger than others.

          • DesertHawk

            It’s how you use it that matters, or so I’m told.

          • Joe Banks

            Depth is important.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Hehe… ‘pole’.

  • http://twitter.com/ChiNativeSon ChicagoNativeSon

    Blackhawks: 12-0-3

    Ray Emery : 12-0-3 at home since joining Blackhawks

    http://youtu.be/rfh4Mhp-a6U

    • cliffkoroll

      So…with the ominous news on Crow, maybe home ice IS important. I look forward to your FanPost on the subject.

      • http://twitter.com/ChiNativeSon ChicagoNativeSon

        What’s Seabrook’s new favorite type of flower?

        • http://twitter.com/ChiNativeSon ChicagoNativeSon

          High Biscuits

          • Joe Banks

            Oh lord…

          • justforkicks

            aw nuts

          • Joe Banks

            Oh balls, said the Queen, if I had two, I’d be King.

          • mightymikeD

            Stone me, that’s bad.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I can’t believe you had the balls to say that.

  • Toews still makes funny faces!

    I do not like Corey’s brain going to Brain-be-Goo. I prefer it the way it was for game 1-13 much more!

    • Joe Banks

      It galls me that Lydman clearly pushed Shaw INTO Fasth, and it was goalie interference with 54 seconds left in the second, and yet it was just okie dokey for Ryan to run Corey with 2:20 left in the game.
      Seabrook was clearly pushing Ryan AWAY from the net but he continued his trajectory. Knee hit Crawford in the head, and amazingly, also kicked Seabrook’s glove off his hand at the same time.
      I am not saying Shaw was without sin. I am saying if that’s a penalty, than Ryan SHOULD have been called too.
      When will the NHL ever get serious about preventing concussions?

  • laaarmer

    Hey sportsfans!

    Only two Hawks players are – at this pint in the season. Bolland -1, and Brookbank -1. Has there ever been a team that has every player a plus for the season? I honestly don’t know.

    • Toews still makes funny faces!

      Off the cuff, But maybe one of those EDM teams from the 80′s or Hab teams from the 70′ might.

    • Accipiter

      The greatest goal differential: +216, by 1976–77 Montreal Canadiens. Not sure if every player was a +.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Holy shitballs on Robinson’s +/-.

        • laaarmer

          He is my favorite all time Canadien. (My dad was a huge MTL fan). The guy was awesome and a Ginger

          • 10thMountainFire

            So he was really good and didn’t have a soul.

            Edit: Also, Montreal is my favorite non-Blackhawks hockey team.

          • Waylon

            Blasphemy! Seriously, I still hate their guts over their win over the Hawks in that infamous SCF. I can still see Ken Dryden denying that game – winning goal at the last possible millisecond…and Tony O letting a blue line shot get past him…arrrrrgh. Nucks fans have no idea of the kind of pain we’ve gone through as Hawks fans – a lot of history of coulda woulda shoulda’s. But I’ll always respect the hell out of that team – especially Guy Lafleur; man, that guy was all kinds of awesome.

          • 10thMountainFire

            They gave Denis Savard a Stanley Cup. They’re cool with me.

          • Joe Banks

            I’ll never never forget Macho Grande!
            The fog on the ice…
            The blue line shot…
            Lafleur going around Maggie like he was an orange pylon…
            Back to therapy!

          • Paul the Fossil

            Hang on, memory is letting you down a bit: it was Henri Richard who deked Magnuson into next week and scored. Lafleur first joined the Habs for the following season, and didn’t become the franchise player for them until the 74-75 season.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Yeah, that’s pretty fucking ludicrous. Even more ludicrous – the lowest +/- of anyone who played more than 10 games was Jimmy Roberts with a +22 (John Van Boxmeer was a +1, but he only played 4 games). Let me repeat that for dramatic effect – the MINIMUM +/- on that team was a PLUS TWENTY TWO!!!!

          • Paul the Fossil

            Well think about the state of the NHL as of the mid-1970s.

            The talent pool they were drawing from was still basically just Canada, since (a) in the U.S. hockey was waaaay behind every other major team sport in how many top-caliber young athletes were interested in it and (b) the NHL still essentially wasn’t interested in European players at all. So the NHL’s talent pool was really the same as it had been in the mid-1960s…but by 1976 there were _three times_ as many NHL teams as in 1966, plus the WHA!

            Imagine if we more than tripled the number of NHL roster spots needing filling in today’s NHL (or any league in any
            sport really) without also increasing the range of talent pool that that league drew from. And then imagine that one top franchise, let’s say the Blackhawks of today, managed through various clever strategems to mostly keep its core intact…what kind of season stats might Toews/Kane/Sharp/Hossa/etc be able to put up in full seasons against a
            league that had diluted itself as much as that? It leads to freak-show results like a team going 60-8-12 and scoring more than double as many goals as it surrenders in a season.

          • DesertHawk

            One can dream right?

          • Sparky_The_Barbarian

            You know, if you hoist the Chalice from the Palace, they will inscribe your name on it, but none of your stats.

          • DesertHawk

            Nicely done. I wouldn’t want the stats at the expense of the cup. But bitching stats are always fun to look back on, I love that we’ll always(as best as I can tell) have the record for fastest Hat Trick, thanks Mosienko.

          • Sparky_The_Barbarian

            Oh, don’t get me wrong, stats are loads of fun, and so is the winning streak, but in the words or Red Leader: Stay On Target.

          • DesertHawk

            Do I have to Kablooie like him too?

          • Sparky_The_Barbarian

            Just don’t lose Tyree and Hutch. You’ll be fine.

          • DesertHawk

            I like you sir, just saying.

          • red palace

            Pithy!

    • Toews still makes funny faces!
      • laaarmer

        John Van Boxmeer +1. Lucky SOB

      • Joe Banks

        And their coach was?

        • Accipiter

          Some guy named Scotty Bowman.

          • Toews still makes funny faces!

            Everybody gets lucky once in a while at least 11 or 12 or however many times he did!

    • red palace

      I see that Bolly has the third lowest on-ice SV% among the Hawks skaters, after Fro and Brookbank. So if this is one of those stats that is supposed to regress toward a common mean (and I believe the consensus would be yes, as it gets added to the on-ice shot% to get PDO), then that may help nudge Bolly upward in the next couple months.

      Interestingly, the bottom five forwards in on-ice SV% are Fro, Bolly, Kruger, Kane and Sharp, i.e. the line that this board seems to be most pleased with, and the line we have been most disappointed by so far this season.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Phaneuf has once again laid out Mr. Kopecky:

    http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=203157&cmpid=embed-share-video

    Apparently he had a pretty bad hit on him while Kopecky was still with Scum, as well:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP2pk4T3ceA

  • PainSt

    Rolling 4 Lines
    The Blackhawks have been rolling four lines the last three or so games to an extent that i have never seen in 40 plus years of watching NHL hockey
    amazing truly amazing
    It’s become a popular aside to draw comparisons to the 2010 Hawks rolling 4 lines
    This is a myth ..the 2010 Hawks rolled 3 lines
    The only place Eager, Burrish and Fraser rolled was to the bench when the opposing teams’ big guns jumped over the boards
    In fact, all through the NHL, “rolling 4 lines” is a common misnomer always meaning rolling 3 lines and slipping the 4th line in judiciously
    Not our Blackhawks
    The current fourth line even with Bollig …
    Just the thought of the power once Carcillo (or Saad) takes the left wing along with Kruger and Frolik .. damn
    Kane is a movie star and we have Toews and Hossa and they dont
    but if I want to point the finger on the single biggest reason the Hawks are playing well from top to bottom
    that credit goes to the fourth

    • Joe Banks

      Let’s have a Fifth to celebrate The Flying Fourth…

    • Hawkeytalk

      Please, let’s leave Saad on the first. But agreed on the rest. Rolling all 4 gives lower toi for the top guys, saving them for the postseason.

    • cliffkoroll

      Yeah, except that in 2009-10, Eager, Burish, and Fraz all averaged over 8 minutes a night at even strength. This year, Fro is getting 8:49 and Kruger 9:38, but Mayers and Bollig are both under seven minutes a night at even strength (6:37 and 5:42). I think it’s more accurate to say that Kruger and Frolik are just better (more responsible two-way) than anyone on the 2009-10 fourth line, evidenced by their starring role on the PK.

      • PainSt

        More than the minutes ..

        What i find totally impressive is the level of competition they have been facing
        Rather then hide the 4th line from the opposing scoring lines Q seems to be favoring them and this allows the top three lines to not only play easier minutes but to face weaker opposition

        To have a team with two scoring and two checking lines on a consistent basis would be truly remarkable

  • red palace
    • http://twitter.com/hair_helmet hairhelmet

      Bicks is already a meathead