• Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Van shuts out the Blues. Torts system is starting to take hold…

    Or the Blues offense sucks.

    • Fleshrifle

      Yes…that is right

    • Accipiter

      Is the reverse possible ?

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      No but remember they’ve got Alex Steen, the greatest goal scorer in the history of the NHL. Their offense can’t possibly suck

      • Bullitt315

        They’re second in GF in the west. Their offense doesn’t suck

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Driven very largely by the fact that Alex Steen was shooting at a 25% clip for the first half of the season. As he regresses to the mean so will their entire offense. Suck may be a bit of an overstatement, but it’s hard to argue against the idea (unless you’re a Scum Jr fan or some other logic-scorning entity) that their position as 2nd in GF in the west is due to an inflated scoring pace that’s already in the process of slowing down.

          • Bullitt315

            You’re wrong. Now as fun as it would be to leave it at that.
            Stl first 20 games. 3.3 GPG. Next 20 games 3.25 GPG, next 18 games 3.6 GPG. Steen for the whole season as at .59 GPG. Over the last 18 he’s dropped to .38 GPG. He’s career is a .28. If you subtract out Steens current year GPG and replace it with his career average STL is THIRD in the west in scoring.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Sorry, but I’m not the one that’s wrong here. I was wrong in laying it squarely on Steen, but not wrong overall; Steen was just 1 example (albeit a tailor-made perfect one). I’m not quite as interested in individual players’ GPG as I am with their shooting % as that’s a lot more telling – a player’s GPG average can fluctuate pretty wildly if he makes adjustments to his style of play or his role on the team changes and thus the number of shots he’s taking changes, whereas fluctuations in shooting % are much more primarily based on luck (both good and bad). If Steen’s GPG rate had gone up as a result of him taking more shots very few people would bat an eye, the fact that his shot total hasn’t changed much but his shooting % has been absurd in comparison to previous years is why everyone with a modicum of understanding as to how stats work has been saying since the beginning of the year that his goal scoring pace was unsustainable.

            The Blues’ top 4 point producers thus far this season – Steen, Backes, Oshie, and Schwarz – have all scored on at least 14% of their shots this season, as have 4 other players on their roster including Brenden Morrow at an absurd 25.2%. A couple of the guys with such high shooting % (i.e. Schwarz and Taresenko, who’s shooting at a 14.9% clip) are too young and thus haven’t generated enough data to say whether or not they are overperforming, but pretty much everyone else on the Blues’ roster that’s driving their scoring is shooting at a much better clip than their career average. Here are a few examples

            Alex Steen:
            Current season – 18.1%
            Career average – 10.0%
            Previous career best – 12.7%

            David Backes:
            Current season – 16.7%
            Career average – 12.7%
            Previous career best season – 14.9%

            T.J. Oshie:
            Current season – 14%
            Career average – 11.7%
            Previous career best season – 13.9% in half a season as a rookie, never above 11.7% in a full season since

            Maxime Lapierre:
            Current season – 13.7%
            Career average – 8.1%
            Previous career best season – 10.3%

            The Blues have multiple players who are scoring on considerably higher percentage of their shots than not just what they’ve averaged for their careers but higher than what they’ve ever done in a full NHL season. The idea that it is even remotely sustainable flies directly in the face of all logic and reasoning, so yes it is 100% accurate to claim that their place as #2 in GF in the west is in large part due to an inflated scoring pace that’s already in the process of slowing down – a process that is incredibly likely to continue.

          • Bullitt315

            Their team shooting percentage is 11%. Regression to the mean works both ways. Let’s say the Blues have, oh I don’t know, the Blackhawks shooting percentage for the year what place would they be in? Hmmm, Third, again. If they had league average, they’d be top 5.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            There is no logic whatsoever behind that argument. How the Blues stack up as compared to league averages is entirely meaningless. Players don’t regress to the league mean, they regress to their own mean. If a team has multiple players who are scoring at a considerably higher rate than any of them have ever done at any point previously in their NHL careers, that is unsustainable.

          • Bullitt315

            They score a lot of goals, have good possession numbers have an ok team shooting percentage and you’re arguing they aren’t a good offensive club because a couple guys have high shooting percentages. If a couple guys have a really high shooting percentage and the team is lower, that means other people have LOW shooting percentages which will also “regress to the mean” offsetting the high guys. After an 82 game sample size, they’ll probably finish top 5 in the league in scoring but they aren’t good at scoring goals because 1 shutout yesterday and Shooting percentage.

            By GPG, they are literally the second best team in the league at putting the puck in the net. and you’re arguing they can’t score goals.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            I am arguing that they have scored the 2nd most goals in the league in large part due to the fact that they have multiple players who are currently on pace for career-best-by-a-large-margin shooting percentage seasons. The idea that it is even remotely feasible for multiple players to sustain scoring rates that are considerably higher than not just their career averages but than their own personal career bests is asinine.

            Did you even read the part where I went through how if every single player on the team regressed to his mean – including the guys who are shooting worse than their career averages – they’d be a full 0.5 GPG lower than they are now? I looked at every single player who has had a single shot on goal in a Blues uniform this season and calculated how many goals he’d have scored if he’d been shooting for his career average (excluding data from this season except for young guys for whom there’s not enough historical data otherwise). I’m not just pulling this out of my ass, the numbers bear out that St. Louis is no better than an average offensive team that has been largely buoyed this season by unsustainably good luck on the part of their top offensive players.

  • 10thMountainFire

    ‘AGENT: KESLER HAS NOT ASKED FOR A TRADE FROM CANUCKS’

    So… Kesler has asked for a trade from the Canucks.

    • raditzzzz

      here’s looking forward to him getting luongo’d

      • 10thMountainFire

        Escape From Vancouver: The Exodus

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Moving Kelser should not (in theory) be anywhere as difficult as moving Luongo proved to be. He’s younger, he hasn’t been supplanted by his former backup, and he’s only under contract for 2 more years as opposed to for the rest of his career with the real possibility that he retires before the contract ends thus triggering cap recapture penalties.

        Moving him before the trade deadline might prove nigh impossible simple due to cap economics. His $5M cap his is certainly not excessive for a player of his caliber, but very few teams are in the position both of being buyers at the deadline and being able to fit Kelser under their cap without shedding salary. If GMMG declines to move him by the deadline though and Kesler still wants out, teams will have a lot more flexibility this summer thanks to the combination of expiring contracts and the cap going up. If Gillis were to try to move Kesler at the draft, he’d probably have a good chance of earning the massive bounty in return he thought he deserved by was never able to get for Luongo.

        • 10thMountainFire

          His shoulder injury aside, I’m largely in agreement with you.

        • raditzzzz

          maybe i should be looking forward to him getting schneider’d, then.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            If GMMG moves Ryan Kesler for nothing but a single 1st round draft pick I won’t be surprised by I will be laughing hysterically.

          • raditzzzz

            ill bring the popcorn.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            I’ll get the astronaut ice cream!

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      He definitely asked out, and really who could blame him? Vancouver’s championship window was already rapidly closing as the Sedin’s began their decline (side-note – their matching 4 year, $28M extensions that begin next year are fucking hilarious), and it’s only been hastened by going from one of the easiest divisions in the NHL to one of the hardest. They’re probably going to try to do it on the fly as opposed to letting themselves bottom out, but the the Canucks are going to need to start thinking about rebuilding pronto. It’s hard to blame Kesler for wanting to be traded to a contender now, when he’s in his prime, instead of waiting around for a rebuild in Vancouver, and in the hands of a competent GM (which they lack) he could potentially bring in return a package of picks and prospects to help lay that foundation.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Scum seems like a strong possibility, no?

        • lizmcneill

          Where do they play him? They have Dats, Zberg and Weiss…they are well stocked for aging top-6 centers.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Zetterberg is out for the year. When he returns, you can slot Kesler on the third, can’t you? I’d take those points on a third line…

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Weiss has been the dictionary definition of the word “bust” this year. Other than the cap space he takes up, I don’t really think Scum management would think of having Weiss as a reason to not chase Kesler. It also seems like Babcock would rather play Z (when healthy) on Datsyuk’s wing than split them up and have them both playing center, hence why they acquired Weiss in the first place.

            What’s going to stop Detroit from acquiring Kesler isn’t the lack of a space for him in the line-up (he’d pretty clearly be the 2C), it’s the overall lack of cap space. They’ll get some relief by placing Zetterburg on LTIR, but Weiss is currently on LTIR and is likely to be activated soon which will almost entirely cancel out the cap relief that putting Z on LTIR will provide. It would be doable for Scum to go after Kesler, just not very easy.

      • Waylon

        in his prime? With his injury history I’m thinking perhaps not, way too much mileage on him, he looks more like on the cusp on the downward side of his career. Still a great player, but I don’t know about his physical condition.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          He’s 29 years old and, unlike his running mates Thing 1 and Thing 2, his production when healthy has not exactly begun to precipitously decline. I get that he’s had some injury concerns the last few years, but I’d absolutely still consider him to be in the prime of his career (albeit at the tail end of said prime). If his contract were for another 5 years after this one there may be some concerns there, but it’s only for another 2.

    • Bannerman

      I heard the Hawks have offered Ryan Stanton for Kesler.

      • lizmcneill

        And Bollig #bigBoyHockey

        • Bannerman

          They’d probably be very interested in Bollig

          • 10thMountainFire

            /Tortorella’d

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        Demanded is not the same as ‘asked.’

    • Waylon

      I understand he’s still injured from taking a puck to his wrist in Sochi, so how can anyone be talking trade right now?

  • ChicagoNativeSon

    Connelly was always exciting to watch, but I personally never thought he’d make a splash (or make it) in the NHL due to his size and the fact that he also plays small.

    He’s Leddy without the defensive upside. Still, he was one of my favorites in Rockford, gave a solid effort. It’ll be fun to see him again.

    So basically the Hawks rented Brandon Morrison for Winchester.

    • cliffkoroll

      We like our midgets?

      [This comment is being reviewed for PC compliance.]

      • Bullitt315

        I’m guessing you’ve got another 5-10 years before midget becomes one of those evil words. And you’ll have to go back and write a post about how sorry you are for at some point using an unenlightened word and how you didn’t really mean it.

        • birdhead

          Midget (and usually dwarf) are generally considered offensive when used towards little people, but midget at least I think is still basically OK in other contexts (e.g. midget hockey). But I am not a little person so I’m not really sure on the last. This has been the case since at least 1999.

          This has been your helpful dispatch from the PC Police.

          • cliffkoroll

            Thank you. I’ma peg 2025 as the year when ‘little people’ is deemed condescending and offensive, and so on…

          • Bullitt315

            That would never happen!
            (Of course, that’s what always happens)

  • jordyhawk

    That steroid guy at the bottom of the page on the left gives me the creeps. HIs deltoids and biceps are bigger than his head. #notscrollingdownanymore

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      The ads you see are generated by your own browsing history. What have you been looking at?!?

      • jordyhawk

        I understand concept. I get some ads that appear targeted to me, but others that are not. I have tried to control this through ad choice or whatever it’s called. I don’t like roids or Barry Bonds.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Are you sure though? Have you perhaps been doing some sleep-browsing?

          • jordyhawk

            Hmmmmm…I do seem a little bleary-eyed now that you mention it.

      • Waylon

        I use a browser – blocking addition on my firefox, yet I still get the same kinds of crap.

  • Paul the Fossil

    Martin St. Louis has requested a trade. He’s not over the initial Olympic-team snub apparently. From the CNNSI story:
    “The 38-year-old winger has one year remaining with the Lightning on a
    deal that pays him $5.625 million per year (both actual salary and cap
    hit). He also has a no-movement clause that could limit where Yzerman is
    able to send him, but there should be no shortage of suitors for his
    services, including the Kings and Canucks.”

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      Kesler for St. Louis straight up. It would be a hilarious trade that doesn’t really help (or hurt though) either team but gets Kesler and St. Louis out of places they clearly don’t want to be anymore

      • Paul the Fossil

        Does VAN have the cap room to go defiantly all-in on this season by trading for St. Louis while keeping Kesler? I could see Gillis doing that.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          I don’t think so, not without shedding some salary elsewhere at least.

          • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

            They could always trade Luongo.

            Wait…

      • 10thMountainFire

        Kesler in Tampa Bay, even if only for a year and half, might stretch his willingness to move.

        • lizmcneill

          They are 2nd in their division, they have prospects, the weather is nice and the taxes are low. There are worse places to get traded to.

          • Bullitt315

            That makes me want to get traded to Tampa.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You’d have to live in Tampa Bay though…

          • Bullitt315

            I’ve been there a couple times and it’s pretty decent. It’s not like it’s Orlando (Orlando blows) but this Chicago has been brutal.

          • ballyb11

            “There’s no bad weather, only bad clothes.”

          • 10thMountainFire

            I have been watching Chicago weather reports. No thanks.

          • Waylon

            I told my family back in Chicago that it reminded me exactly like the brutal winters of ’78 and ’79, and the stats bear that out. Had to shovel out our driveway every morning, used an engine block heater on my Ford Pinto (it was parked outside), and also chipped off the ice – encrusted carburetor every morning before driving to school. Ridiculous.

          • Preacher

            Stop the whining, all of you! I’m several hours north of Chicago, in central Wisconsin, and your winter this year is our USUAL winter. This year, we’re getting hit even harder. The extreme cold, the major snowfall, and it’s a major pain having to watch my wife shovel all the snow. (I usually close the curtains now.)

          • Z-man19

            Why the hell do you have 6 kids and they aren’t shoveling the snow? You could close the curtains and have quality time with the wife

          • Preacher

            LOL! You’ve answered your own question. How do you think we got six kids in the first place?!?

          • Z-man19

            Maybe this goes against certain beliefs but there are ways of preventing that that don’t include abstaining. Regardless, GET THE KIDS TO WORK

          • Bullitt315

            Are you far enough North to be in snow mobile territory. I’d love this weather if Chicago had anything resembling decent snowmobile routes.

          • Preacher

            I have a snow mobile trail literally across the street from me. The trails run all through this area.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’ll see your weak sauce Wisconsin winter and raise you an upstate northern New York winter.

          • Preacher

            Oh please! The only thing you’ve got more of there is whining!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Challenge accepted. Bring some cheese for your whine, Cheesehead!

          • AF_Cheddarhead

            Please use the accepted term of CheddarHead for those of us originating in the great and wonderful land of WI. Cheesehead belongs in the same category as midget.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’ve spoken to my brothers and each week they say ‘help us’.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            I may be wrong, but I don’t think that XMF was talking about Kesler’s willingness to waive his NTC to go to the Lightning. Rather I thought was positing that if TB acquired Kesler that might go a long way towards convincing St. Louis not to demand a trade out after all

          • 10thMountainFire

            This.

  • lizmcneill

    I want to set 80% of the commenters on the ESPN article on fire. Who’s with me?

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      80% seems like a very low figure

      • lizmcneill

        There were a couple sticking up for Kaner. It’s so dumb – some of them are like, he passed too much, others are like, he shot too much from the outside. And no one understands that if you don’t let him carry the puck in you’re wasting him.

        Selfish and lazy…

        • 10thMountainFire

          Now, part II:

          Facebook comments.

          • Z-man19

            why do you people do this to yourselves? go punch your face with a fork, it might be less painful

          • 10thMountainFire
          • 10thMountainFire

            Which is unfortunate for the gene pool.

          • Bullitt315

            It’s fun to guess who the real people that comment here are. Until proven real, I assume everyone is a highly complicated AI system.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Well, you’re wrong. I’m not highly complicated.

          • Bullitt315

            You’ve been verified to be real though.

          • lizmcneill

            https://twitter.com/BlackhawksFaceb

            The best are the ones saying Toews should play for the USA because he plays in Chicago.

          • 10thMountainFire

            My favorite FB post was ‘disappointed Sharp won’t be on USA team’.

          • lizmcneill

            DAMN YOU SHERO!

          • VerStig

            It’s Team USA, not USA team!

        • Waylon

          how many times must we refer to his zone entry with the puck that eventually ended up tying the game against the Bruins? He does that all the frickin’ time, if anyone cared to notice.

      • Bannerman

        Leaving some alive as a warning to other?

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          seems easier to just burn ‘em all down and start from scratch no?

    • 10thMountainFire

      I was for setting them on fire before you were for setting them on fire.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      And if the fire spreads to ESPN, no great loss.

  • chidiver

    Yay! Hawkey tonight!

    • jordyhawk

      As Liz so sagely forecast yesterday, Zus sitting tonight. Let the Regin era begin.

      • raditzzzz

        score one for the gipper!!!

        • Bannerman

          Begin the Regin

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        Don’t call me Liz (or Shirley)! But c’mon, Zus is sitting for Regin.

        I repeat: for Regin.

        Yeah, I hope it works out (anything can work over a small sample, amiright? Let’s say through mid-June?) and at least it’s something different, but the potential situation has Chicago backup QB fanaticism written all over it.

        • jordyhawk

          If playoffs were starting today then Zus would be the man. But if this is to rest him and have a look at Regin I think it’s the right move.

  • Paul the Fossil

    Reports out of Toronto say that Bolland has requested $40M over 7 or 8 years to re-sign with the Leafs. Personally his injury history alone would stop me from even considering that but of course I’m not a Maple Leafs GM so who knows.
    http://theleafsnation.com/2014/2/25/lets-talk-about-david-bolland

    • 10thMountainFire

      Injury history aside, the annual cap hit seems about what I would expect Bolland to command. The years? Now you’re incorporating injury history. And on that, I agree with you… concussions, achilles… a bit risky.

      • Waylon

        No way I’d give Bolland that, but you can never understimate the stupidity of the current crop of GM’s. Maybe he just wants out of Toronto, and may end up signing for less if he goes to a contender.

        • ChicagoNativeSon

          Yeah, no way Bolland gets Bickell money!

          o_O

          • Waylon

            and that’s a big touche’ for you, my friend. But you just can’t pay enough for a truly wicked 40 – foot wrister these days, can you?

          • M7

            Well… lets not start generalizing too much now.

            Bickell = $4 mil / year for for 4 years
            Bolland asking – $5 – $5.75 mil for 7 or 8 years.

            That’s a pretty significant difference. I wouldn’t categorize that as Bickell money. Clarkson money, yes…

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            To be fair, a) he plays for the GM that gave Clarkson that money and b) the Toronto hockey media has exalted him to basically team linchpin status. Considering that, is there really any reason to say he’s being unreasonable for expecting to get that sort of contract in Toronto?

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Well…

            I thought Waylon was responding to Accipiter’s $4.5M and I was replying to Waylon. In reality, Waylon was responding to XMF’s $5M-5.7M and I responded to Waylon. So…

            I was wrong.

            Disqus’d

          • Z-man19

            speaking of Disqus’d, I don’t see Waylon or Accipiter, I see Bannerman and XMF

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Well, crap. That’s pretty weird stuff Z-man.
            I don’t see anyone.

          • cliffkoroll

            Spider: I thought you said “I’m all right Spider.”

            Tommy: I ain’t all right. Stuttering prick.

            /shoots in foot

        • 10thMountainFire

          He’s already at $3.75/per, isn’t he?

      • Accipiter

        I like Bolland when he’s healthy and playing effectively. $4.5mil/yr is the most I would want to sign him for and only for 2-3 yrs. Will be interesting to see what happens with him.

      • Paul the Fossil

        Did you see the injuries list down in that blog piece? Yikes.

        11/4/2013

        Left ankle injury, injured reserve. (45+ Games)

        4/24/2013

        Groin, day-to-day. (8 Games)

        4/6/2013

        Foot injury, day-to-day. (4 Games)

        2/24/2013

        Upper body injury, day-to-day. (5 Games)

        2/2/2013

        Right leg injury, day-to-day. (1 Game)

        4/5/2012

        Upper body injury, day-to-day. (2 Games)

        11/10/2011

        Foot injury, day-to-day. (3 Games)

        10/7/2011

        Upper body injury, day-to-day. (1 Game)

        3/26/2011

        Concussion, sidelined indefinitely. (17 Games)

        12/13/2010

        Upper body injury, day-to-day. (1 Game)

        10/30/2010

        Rib injury, day-to-day. (4 Games)

        3/25/2010

        Flu, day-to-day. (1 Game)

        11/6/2009

        Back injury, day-to-day. (41 Games)

        10/7/2009

        Back injury, day-to-day. (1 Game)

        4/1/2009

        Foot injury, day-to-day. (1 Game)

        3/2/2008

        Hip flexor, day-to-day. (1 Game)

        12/26/2007

        Broken finger, sidelined indefinitely. (15 Games)

        • 10thMountainFire

          That is… whoa.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      Well, he is from Toronto and does KNOW the teams history of player contracts, so Bolland is doing the smart thing! lol

  • cliffkoroll

    Preview? I hope this doesn’t foreshadow the Hawks coming out sluggish tonight.

    Seriously, get on it boys, or I’ll take my valuable clicks over to some horrible, don’t know shit competitor of yours.