• 10thMountainFire

    ‘Duncan wishes to touch the Hossa? Yes, you may proceed.’

  • lizmcneill

    Those new skates look super weird with the white holders so skinny. And the pads look like they’re designed to be “gothic badass” (or so Tazer would say if asked, no doubt)

    • raditzzzz

      the design looks pretty smart. lighter stronger materials, less need for the blade holders, looks funny right now, but seems like a great design upgrade, if they can hold up. whats going on with the steel on those things, tho? the sides have a weird texture, and i was wondering if that is part of the steel, or something else.

      • lizmcneill

        How much of the weight of the skate is in the holder anyways? Wouldn’t most of it be in the structure/protection of the boot and the steel of the runners?
        I’m thinking the win in speed might have more to do with the change in the structure of the holders and how the skate behaves with the extra support at the instep.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ TMFF

    Because I have been thinking about it again, here it is.
    Once again the notion of the PK and who is to blame, the D or Crawford was again discussed it also once again led into shot quality and twitching.
    Who is to blame for the PK, I say both, but primarily the defensive system which was just too passive.
    The main aspect I wanted to touch on was the QOS, I mentioned “clean shots from the point” and was responded to that that should be easier to stop. Well are they? Are all shots equal? Is a 60 footer with no traffic the same as a 60 footer redirect through a screen where the shooter had a good look at the setup? Do and can stats catch this?
    What determines if a shot will be a goal and how many of these items are captured in stats are all important aspects in this question.
    What is being caught on shots.
    -How often a shot occurs: Caught by SOG and (Shot at Net (SAN), pretty accurate
    -Where the shot originates from: Still in infancy, but is being developed but not highly reliable yet to a high level of sortable data.
    -Type of shot: Slap, wrist, one-timer, etc being caught, but like shot location, is still being developed.
    -Shot location; still very primative and without massive mining is not readily available for analysis.
    What is not being caught on shots.
    -Goalie positioning: Where and how is the goalie positioned
    -Defenders/Offense positioning: Is there a screen or deflections set up at the TOS? Is there a skater far side waiting for a feed?
    - Play setup: How was the play setup to lead to this one SAN? Is the goalie moving, is the defense moving, has a forward been left open in a “dangerous” area?
    +Do these factors determine the chance of a SAN being a goal?
    Here is an example of how some of these come into play.
    Imagine if you will if the Hawks were on the PP, and every PP they are able to execute as they wish. This includes leavingthe option to not pass across the crease and stuff the puck in. How often would the Hawks score? If defenses never adjusted in the slightest, how well do the Goalies number look? Who is too blame? Does this make a new mean?
    But this does not happen, defenses adjust, the take away the passing lane so the goalie only has to protect immediatley from the stuff attempts.
    This aspect shows how, number of shots, defensive positioning, offensive positioning, the play setup, where the goalie is and how he is set up all contribute to the chance of a goal being scored is, and how if any one does or does not change how it can significanlty effect the outcome.
    -Because these attributes are not yet measured and others are only in their infancy, the notion of “regression to the mean” is not invalid, it is just not qualyifiable with existing stats. The mean can change as the unmeasured as yet, variables change. You can have many means, dependant on the how a situation changes and what is not in the control of various entitites.
    -So is it the PK improving or Raanta in net as the noticble increas in the Hawks PK the last week or two?

    • Oregon_hawk

      Here’s the problem with Shot Quality.

      Other sports have highly sophisticated methods of tracking projectiles. Having been to presentations and speaking with professionals in the field, Baseball teams can track the trajectory and velocity of every ball that leaves the bat, they can track the angle of a pitcher’s arm at release, they can track velocity, and the position of every defensive player.

      In short, in baseball, they can completely plot the entire field of play at every single juncture.

      In hockey, all that can really be determined with great accuracy is the number of times the puck is directed on net.

      One aspect of successful PKs IS limiting shots on net. Another aspect, which can be proxied by shots-against, is the limitation of zone entry by the opposing special teams unit.

      Shots are not created equal, this is pretty much plain as day. Drilling any deeper than that into shot quality is pretty much an exercise in futility.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ TMFF

        I agree it is, but I also assert it is a very important aspect in the end PK (or EV/PP) effectiveness and goalie SV% and cannot be just disregarded as statistically insignificant, since its significance cannot be measured.
        =As for baseball, the have the advantage of using a round ball of a known diameter that can be simutaneously seen by multiple HD cameras to track it with high accuracy and having a fixed location of where the pitchers arm will be. Hockey does not even remotley have this ability with all the moving parts over a large area.

        • Oregon_hawk

          I’m not saying shot quality is statistically insignificant. I’m saying the metrics which determine a shot’s quality, namely:

          puck trajectory
          puck speed
          position of 10 players in offensive zone
          position and posture of goaltender

          cannot be assessed using current technology. Any attempt to do so must therefore rest on metrics which serve as proxies for these qualities. This is most often, and farcically, done using distance to the net, with predictably poor results.

          When it is known that the vast majority of all meaningful information about a shot’s quality is not known, it is an exercise in futility to attempt to analyze shot quality. Just because it can’t be analyzed due to lack of data doesn’t make shot quality non-significant. It just makes attempting to determine its significance a waste of time, right now.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ TMFF

            I am not disagreeing at all. rather stating my opinion to those who do not agree, with supporting aspects.

          • steeg of their own

            Upboated for “excellent explanation of reasons why it drives me nuts when coaches talk about foregoing high numbers of shots in favor of quality shots (Maple Laffs I’m side-eyeing you)”.

          • raditzzzz

            you don’t think current technology can track all that info? that stuff doesn’t seem to difficult, and i could be wrong, but is it that, or just not the required effort to do that?

          • Oregon_hawk

            They’re still ironing out the kinks in baseball. They lose track of the ball if it pops too high, they sometimes can’t resolve players against the field under certain conditions, and they can’t resolve every pitch.

            Compared to baseball, hockey is hellishly dirty from an imaging perspective. You have a tiny little black disc against the backdrop of a ton of different colors which vary from game to game. Players intentionally running into each other all of the time…

            They’re working on incorporating this type of technology into Basketball as well. I’d be surprised if there wasn’t at least one sports metric firm trying to do it in hockey, but I’d be amazed if they’re finding success.

            I collaborate with people who image plants, and those are bitchy too.

            It just isn’t easy.

          • raditzzzz

            do you think thats just from the perspective of automating it? I mean, when we see three angles on a call that has come under review, its seems to me that usually you could resolve all of the metrics you mentioned above, and the question becomes more having enough cameras/angles and taking the time.

            perhaps it wouldn’t be as accurate as the pitch locator in baseball, but it seems like it would be actual useful information over nothing at all, right?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            It is more than just tracking, how do you also qualify and quantify it?

          • laaarmer

            Milbury decides

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            Pardon, I am going to grab a Shotgun…

          • raditzzzz

            at first glance, i would assume the percentages would bear out the actual standards themselves, at every level.

            the framework seems to be what would cause the most debate, but i think something useful could be created.

          • laaarmer

            Scoring chance. How is this any different from a scoring chance?

          • raditzzzz

            well, it would give you a complete picture of performance if you are tracking all shots on goal (scoring chance is a homeplate zone, right?). and depending on how many other variables you are able to build into your framework, might allow the data to reveal information we simply have no grounding for; deflections, velocity if possible, where a pass was received from, correlating shot origin with height at the goal, rebound tracking, those are just some stuff that comes off the top of my head. im guessing others might have other ideas.

          • laaarmer

            Shooter quality. Lets not forget shooter quality

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Isn’t goalie and defender awareness a significant component of shot quality? Like maybe even the most significant?

          • laaarmer

            Are you really asking me? I do believe that goalie awareness or concentration is a current issue with our #1

            Who is more likely to score from any give area.

            Stamkos
            Keith
            Hjammer
            Kane

            It matters who is shooting

          • Accipiter

            Bickell has a wicked wrister.

          • laaarmer

            So does Bollig, but you would rather have Stamkos or Ovechkin shoot that same shot, right?

          • Accipiter

            Yus, of course. I was not being serious.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Usually from the opposing blue line.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Crow versus current TeenBeat heartthrob Ben Scrivens. If both see the same shooter in the same location, one will have a very slight statistical advantage in stopping the shot, and the shooter with excellent puck placement will have a slight statistical advantage over less skilled shooters. But the advantage is increased the most if you can make the goaltender unaware of the shot to begin with or change it’s trajectory during flight.

          • laaarmer

            Goalies that are unaware of shots don’t last too long.

            All other circumstances being equal, Dan Carcillo and Alex Ovechkin take the exact same shot at the exact same time and Ovechkin will score considerably more often. The issue is that no two shots are ever going to be exactly the same and cannot be taken at the exact same time, so one cannot compare the quality of any shot to another.

            Anyway, I think everybody agrees that some shots are better than others, some goalies are better than others, some defense is better than others, and some shooters are better than others. These things lead to Stats leaders and awards, right?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Meh. We all know the best shot is the one the goaltender can’t see, which is why when that happens, sometimes a couple times a game, we all say, “you can’t fault Blahstuvson for that”. The point I’ve lost interest in making is that the amount of variables that lead to a shot’s ‘quality’ are well beyond measurement at this point. Sure, you can nail down a portion of it, but then players who take advantage of what you’re not tracking come along and you’re back with no descriptive stat to explain them.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            You are now arguing Shot accuracy and precision which is a shooter specific thing. If BOTH players make the exact same shot, in the same place, one would hope to have the same results with the same goalie.

          • laaarmer

            But they won’t because Stamkos is a better shooter than Kruger.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            You realize I am also including the puck on both shots follows the exact same line as the other too correct?

          • laaarmer

            Why would you do this? It makes zero sense and adds nothing to understanding why a shot would become a goal during a game.

            No two shots will ever be the same. Like ever.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            That was not the point though

          • laaarmer

            We have been through this before.
            What is the point?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            That if all inputs are equal, the results ideally would be as well. But yes, we know this is not true.

      • SuperHawk27

        Baseball is an individualized sport disguised as a team sport. Its easy to track everything in baseball because there is only one thing happening at a time. Hockey is so fluid, it would take analysis of each shot to determine every factor stated above….commence the twitching!

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Here’s a very interesting series of blog posts on shot quality, called the Shot Quality Project. This is the first post in the series. I’ve read them all, but haven’t read them critically a second time.

        http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/introducing-the-shot-quality-project/

        • Accipiter

          Looking forward to your criticism after you give the SQP a second look.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’m probably going to turn to them again Sunday. At first blush I found it interesting, but really I just poured through them and wasn’t attending closely. I do remember thinking some of his “heat graphs” or whatever didn’t seem to be showing what he in fact was writing. But I can’t even remember when/where I thought that. Even with that qualification, it seemed worthwhile (and fascinatin how faulty the NHL’s shot location info, etc., seemed to be).

          • Oregon_hawk

            My threshold of quality is probably too high, but those graphs don’t even have legends, targeted descriptions, or even references to datasets.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            Not to that level, no. But he has at the least extrapolated more goes into a shot then distance and goalie, that there is probably a decent defensive aspect to the shots and SV%.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I don’t think it’s too high. His datasets, as I recall, were him watching games and tracking shots. Hardly universal and objective, but clearly better than the NHL currently. But seriously, I’m not arguing on his behalf, i just find it cool that someone’s attempting to quantify the shot quality argument … and perhaps unknowingly presenting an argument for the impossibility of that.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            I think it is impossible with current techniques, it may require a paradigm shift in Stats analysis.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Current techniques … yep. I don’t see how that can change anytime in the near future. Which will leave some of these arguments hovering in air.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            I am wondering if almost interactive stat analysis needs to be the next step, something that allows to show the flow.

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

          Okay, where is part 2???? Part I was from October.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Just click his name, his posts pop up (I think in in chronological order).

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            I found it, WOW, very cool. This should be required reading! lol
            He both did a decent/good job quantifying and qualifying QOS. Too bad he had to go and review it by hand and not use existing numbers to see how Crow stacks up.

          • Oregon_hawk

            I haven’t found it yet, how did he come up with this “clean shot” group? There’s no way he visualized 28k+ shots to categorize them manually. It appears he subtracted from all shots those that are tips, deflections, rebounds, in transition… i don’t like that. (sidenote, complete lack of methods sections is why a lot of sports statistics isn’t taken seriously)

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!
        • Oregon_hawk

          Haven’t yet located the rest of the series, here’s a big problem so far:

          “Tracking velocity and screen shots proved to be a challenge. I wanted to avoid perception-based assumptions that could be easily infected with bias, so unfortunately they were removed from the research.

          I decided to focus on the more accurate location coordinates and the three following criteria to supplement the current HTML supplied variables (team, player, the goalie and game status (EV, PP, SH))”

          This paragraph makes me very skeptical of the future analysis. Is it a good treatment of available data? yes. Is it likely to evolve into a high-quality analysis? no. The data is very limited.

          The most basic parts of any shot is puck speed and trajectory. The most descriptive parts of any shot is certainly not the location from which it was taken.

          Here’s a nice link:

          http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_ShotPercentage.php

          The average sh% in the NHL is about 9%. It’s hovered around there for about 6 or 7 years.

          Toews’ reg. season shooting % is 15%. His lowest regular season shooting % is 12.4. At his worst, over a season, he shoots approximately 33% “better” than the average NHLer.

          The things that go into this are no doubt:
          Shot selection
          Shot power
          Aim

          or in other words…
          Being Jonathan Toews.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            No quarrel here. I truly haven’t read it closely yet, just breezed through the posts (his other ones are there too, just click on his name). I seem to recall him arguing mostly that there just has to be an objective starting point somewhere out there, something with data that others, even skeptics, can agree on. You bring up obviously salient points re trajectory and speed, and I’ve read articles on both and agree with them/you.

            Just wanted to post these as potentially relevant to the conversation.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            Velocity and trajectory are certainly factors. He IMO has at least started to break out different difficulty Shot types and does show there is a statistical difference between shots depending the circumstance surrounding it, some of which are out of the Goalies control and are defensive responsibility. It is not a complete analysis no, but it does show it may be a data mine worth drilling for in helping D-Zone scheme and which players are the most defensively responsible in these aspects.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

      Wow, who ever wrote this is a genius! lol

      • 1benmenno

        Wait a second . . . something fishy’s going on.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Stars had two goals in 15 seconds last night against the Nucks.
    Think we can top that?

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ TMFF

      15 seconds, pfffff. Hawks have already scored 2 against the Nucks in 9 seconds. It took DAL almost twice as long as the Hawks!

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      I HATE playing good teams when they’re coming off a bad performance, cause you know you’re not going to get two in a row. Should be a good game tonight.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

        Good thing VAN is really not a good team! lol

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Better than us over the last 10, and surging, despite two losses in a row. (But I can’t tell if you’re just–commendably–rah-rah’ing right now.)

  • cliffkoroll

    OK I read it. I don’t understand this 21st century. No sooner has gauzy feel-good tolerance is king big tent ethics chased the traditionalists and their Puritan judgmentalism and uptightedness from the field then the New Puritans come swooping in.

    • 10thMountainFire

      They’re not new. And the 21st century is simply following the 20th.

      • Paul the Fossil

        Sidebar: I’m completely with you in spirit here but let’s not tar the actual historical Puritans with our lame modern neuroses.

        In the first place the actual Puritans were not in reality all that “puritanical” about sex. At least a quarter of their women were pregnant on their wedding days, and then there’s this:
        http://www.thirstytheologian.com/2009/09/03/the_puritans_and_sex.php

        In the second place when the actual Puritans _did_ decide that something was sinful and needed stamping out they didn’t just pontificate about it the way we do today. They manned up and did what they believed needed to be done no matter how unpopular it made them:
        http://www.historytoday.com/chris-durston/lords-misrule-puritan-war-christmas-1642-60

        After all these are people who packed themselves and everyone they loved into leaky old wooden sailing ships to sail halfway around the world to build new homes with their own hands in a wilderness full of savages, all just for the sake of being free to follow some abstract principles. A bunch of horny badasses is what the Puritans actually were.

        • Preacher

          “At least a quarter of their women were pregnant on their wedding days,”
          Where did you get this little tidbit of information?

          • Paul the Fossil

            “Premarital pregnancy in America, 1640-1971″, Daniel Scott Smith, Michael S Hindus, PE Hair. That study and a couple of others have claimed that as much as one-third of Puritan women in early New England were pregnant on their wedding day. However critics have raised some questions about those researchers’ interpretation of the available data (that argument is still raging in the sociological literature), so I scaled the claim back to a quarter.

          • Preacher

            That interpretation seems highly suspect. Given that often whole families would be exiled from the community if a girl were pregnant before marriage, unwed moms were rare. And rarely allowed to be alone with a male before marriage. It happened, of course, but these researchers sound like they’re trying to put a new spin on evidence that doesn’t warrant it.

        • laaarmer

          Savages. You mean like Chief Wahoo and the Redskins?
          They were only savages to people who fucked with them, which I’m sure the coloniststs appear to have been doing. I’m pretty sure they lived here before the “Puritans” and the like got here.

          Also, I never associated the “Pilgrims” with the Puritans. The Puritans came later and founded Boston and the surrounding areas, if my grade school and middle school teachers were doing their job.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ TMFF

            Can we stop this line, before it digressess any further?

          • laaarmer

            Yes.

          • Paul the Fossil

            Okay, sorry.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Too late….

          • laaarmer

            And again.

          • Paul the Fossil

            Point being that as far as the Puritans _knew_ when putting themselves and everything they owned into those leaky old secondhand ships they were sailing off to a land of bloodthirsty savages. And they did it anyway.

            I’m aware of the differences between the Puritans and the Pilgrims; didn’t mention the latter. It is the former who came to dominate early New England and whose name we now use as an adjective. Both groups disagreed with the Church of England on more or less the same points; the biggest difference was that the Pilgrims believed that the disagreement required formal separation from the established church while the Puritans didn’t.

            The difference in time between their two migrations was not large: the Pilgrims arrived in what is now Mass. in 1620, the Puritans in a much larger wave starting in 1630.

          • laaarmer

            Dont forget shooter quality.

          • laaarmer

            woops. Those puritans had a lot of shooter quality, eh Stosh?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Laying blame for your lack of historical knowledge on your teachers?

          • laaarmer

            Dude, it’s correct. You know it is and yet you still can’t help but make a comment.

            The “pilgrims” were not puritans, in facet some of them were not even seperatists. They were hired hands who mocked the zealots. I was there.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Dude, I haven’t even once commented on the substance of this thread discussion because it’s stupid.

          • laaarmer

            Yet you continue to join in even after somene asked not too,

            keep going. Reply.

          • 10thMountainFire

            ‘Reply’.

    • Oregon_hawk

      I don’t think there’d be such a tone of New Puritanism if there was a spectrum of femininity shown. There’s not.

      35 year old moms don’t ever come down and shoot the puck. It’s possible they don’t want to.

      It’s fairly clear that when it comes to women and the blackhawks, women are utilized for the physical ways in which they can drive interest, and little else.

    • berkley

      Where are you seeing this materialize?

      The article wasn’t about “COVER THEM DANG GIRLS UP” as opposed to being “Why doesn’t the organization cater to a readily expanding fan base?”

      • Accipiter

        The morning links. (Read This)

    • Preacher

      Didn’t one of the Hawks biggest sponsors used to be a strip club? (Maybe it still is–I don’t live in Chicago to hear the radio ads anymore.) The “double standard” of the Ice Girls vs. Susannah Collins is what’s confusing. That, and the fact that the Ice Girls look to be about 15 years old. (Probably due to the fact that I’m getting to be an old person myself. They all look younger to me.)

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Good point bringing in Susannah in this context. Double standard is clear to me too, in this instance.

    • narya

      I don’t see the supposed Puritanism in that piece. What I see is someone pointing out that the only females associated with the Hawks are hot young women and pointing out the objectification inherent in that. No middle-aged women (though there are plenty at games); no non-hot women; few women shooting the puck in anything other than cripplingly high heels; few girls as the kid shooting the puck. Ice crew is all female and in skimpy outfits and mandatory hotness. The men who shoot the puck are a reasonable cross-section of the fan base; the women who shoot the puck are not. None of this is necessary; it’s all a choice someone is making.

      • berkley

        It doesn’t even matter what they look like or what standards you would hold whichever selected group up to. The fact of the matter is that the Chicago area fanbase is diverse (racially, along gender lines, and in age) and a team that holds itself to a standard as one of the best in the league (in many areas, but PR especially) is doing a bad job of representing that

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          How many times do you see non-Caucasian people on the ice at STP? I’m starting to think the Blackhawks might be racists as well.

          • laaarmer

            They got rid of both Buff and Emery, although Dirk Graham was captain, but only because nobody knew.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            If you’ve seen him dance, you knew.

          • Waylon

            yeah, Graham was most definitely a “passer.” I find this kind of stuff hilarious, because in a few generations almost everyone in this country’s going to have a similar skin color.

          • Accipiter

            Mr. T.

          • berkley

            Yeah I’m taking a palomino on this one, biz.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Great. If you want to ruin discussion, bring it to BHH.

    • laaarmer

      Aaaaand…………………

      He’s back.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I guess someone has to play the role of the ‘why can’t it be like the good ol days’ guy. Fortunately, there are a few who can back him up when he’s gone.

        • laaarmer

          “The good ol days” Who is talking about the Good ol days?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Pretty much every post bemoaning the state of society and implying how hockey is less tough or manly.

          • laaarmer

            Well in that case, go on, but I don’t think that is what cliff was getting at.

          • 10thMountainFire

            What was he getting at, then?

          • laaarmer

            I think, and far be it from me to actually know what cliff is meaning behind his humongous words, is that you can’t have it both ways.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Nice cop-out.

          • laaarmer

            cliff is just an old guy with a valid opinion. You seem to want to invalidate any and all opinions that don’t adhere to your skewed version of reality.

            He may come across and abrasive, but who the fuck cares, unless he strikes some cord of truthfulness in your mind.

          • 10thMountainFire

            No one said abrasive. The post is what it is. Just read it word for word. I’m a medium-old guy with an opinion.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            He’s great on dishes with baked on gunk.

          • Accipiter

            Only if you don’t care about ruining the dishes getting the gunk off.

          • Accipiter

            Ask cliff.

          • 10thMountainFire

            He’s not here. And Laaarms responded.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I believe he is saying he is confused about why we have fought for all people to feel comfortable enough to express themselves however they wish but we are now fighting to make sure anybody who enjoys observing that expression and/or pays money for it feels as bad about it as possible.

          • 10thMountainFire

            If this is degenerating in any way into a ‘this society is going down the tubes’ or Duck Dynasty conversation, I’ll just take my pants off and run away now.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            If Jesus was supposed to like gays then why didn’t God make the butthole recite the Lord’s Prayer? (pretty sure this is going to get mod’d)

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yep, you’re the discussion killer.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I only said that halibut was good enough for Jehovah.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Well if people disagree, they’ll just downboat you, anyway. So based on your lack of downboats, I assess that you’re solidly in control of your own destiny here.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Everybody left for the new thread

          • 10thMountainFire

            Not everyone. I think we’re alone.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            The beating of our hearts is the only sound?

          • 10thMountainFire

            I don’t like where this conversation is headed. I’m leaving.

    • lizmcneill

      It’s not Puritanism. It’s a case of double standards (Blackhawks selling themselves as family-friendly) and of ignoring a proportion of their fanbase. If the intermission entertainment consists of conventionally attractive young women wearing as many clothes as Kaner in a limo, what is the impression given to female fans? To young women “you’re not the customers, you’re the product. We’ll use women who look like you as eye-candy for the people we’re really interested in selling tickets to (18-35yo males). Just don’t distract your boyfriend from the game”. To older/not conventionally attractive women, “you’re invisible. But we’ll retweet a picture of Sharpy’s pretty face or his adorable kid cos that’s what you’re really here for, right?”. To little girls, “Don’t come up to shoot the puck. Hockey’s a boys’ game.” (a problem at all levels of women’s hockey.)

      • laaarmer

        Didn’t we just have a similar argument in the opposite direction regarding the reporting of the babies?

        • lizmcneill

          Wasn’t the argument about the babies derision at the recent statement/implication that they were the reason for the increase in female fans, as opposed to the women being there primarily for the hockey?

          • laaarmer

            How many women play hockey in the Chicago area? There are many, for sure and they don’t care about the babies or the ice chicks, but there are millions – yes millions, that don’t play hockey and do care about the babies, where Sharp ate, the puppy calendar, etc. It is not a crime to appeal to this large group of fans to try to make money. If you are a female (or male) you can rail against it, but then go buy a ticket. Oh there aren’t any? There haven’t been any for a few years. Huh. The stadium is not 100% full of fat beer swilling guys? There are women there? with kids? huh.

            I frankly don’t care who watches for whatever reason they watch. When I was a kid, I didn’t care what was happening, unless Mikita, Magnusson, Hull (Bobby), or Lafleur was on the ice. I was still allowed to go to the games, even if I coudn’t watch on TV. My dad’s money was still good even if I didn’t care about 2/3 – 3/4 of what was happening.

          • berkley

            This is suuuuper reductionist shit to be pushing. People here aren’t railing for stuff to be cut, the ice girls, people shooting the puck, etc. You can consume whatever you want.

            The problem is that choice doesn’t exist. The point of the Hockeenight article was that for an organization that promotes itself to an enormous fan base with a product that caters to everyone really doesn’t

          • laaarmer

            Reactionist? I think it’s more akin to “not offended by everything that happens or is written”

            The ice girls are just cheerleaders for cripes sake. Yes, it’s stupid, but they do serve a purpose, actually two purposes. They clean the ice and the appeal to the fat beer swilling guys who have been there siince Zhamnov was captain and before. They should stop selling beer at the stadiums too, cuz there is somebody there that doesn’t want it, but some people do and they make money selling it. Same goes with the nachos, etc.

            There is always somebody that feels slighted whenever anything is happening. I seriously doubt there is a conspiracy in The Hawks organization regarding appealing to people with money.

          • Accipiter

            The nachos stay (as long as Seabrook is a Hawk).

          • berkley

            I said “reductionist”

            I’m not offended, I don’t think anyone is. This is turning towards something the original Hockeenight article wasn’t even about– I’m not sure why you keep bringing up money. But nobody here has railed for things to disappear. People can consume whatever part of the game (or whatever of the Org product) that they want.

            My opinion is that for an organization that has such a wide fan base does poorly in communicating to all of it.

          • laaarmer

            I can’t read, as cliff has pointed out so many times.

            What is the difference if they claim to appeal or do appeal? Everybody that likes hockey for whatever reason they like it, wants to go. They are doing a great job of not appealing and screwing people.

          • berkley

            Right the draw is the outstanding level of hockey on the ice, because that’s good enough to attract literally anyone.

            I don’t think the organization is intentionally forsaking certain people or demographics. But if a young girl is at the game, doesn’t she deserve to know girls can play hockey too? They’re not just relegated to scooping snow? I said up above, maybe tie ins with youth leagues? Have some squirt hockey teams on the ice during the anthem, boys and girls? I don’t know.

            This all may be too fanciful of a thing to hope for, and to be discussing the organizational minutiae like this is obviously a testament to every other thing being peachy. I just think that a really smart organization like the Hawks have CAN do a lot more for a lot of people (my opinion)

            Let’s get back to hockey and talk about this garbage team from BC, shall we?

          • laaarmer

            They do have tie ins with youth teams.

            I wonder if VAN is any good?

          • lizmcneill

            and why are cheerleaders generally women in skimpy clothing?
            The Hawks could sell out the UC even if they limited the tickets to 30-something blond men with an IL driver’s licence. But the games are on TV now. Do you want to give the impression that watching hockey, let alone playing, is the domain of the beer-swilling old guys ogling the ice girls? (and I would hope that they would cut people off in the UC before their beer consumption started running other people’s experience -right, Pardy?)

          • Accipiter

            Why do they have to be blond ?

          • 10thMountainFire

            As a 30-something blonde guy, I don’t really care that you’re left out.

          • Accipiter

            I’m not left out, though.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You’ll always be a 30-something blonde guy to me.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I seriously doubt there is a conspiracy in The Hawks organization regarding appealing to people with money.
            ___________________

            That’s called, uh, ‘business’, Laaarms.

          • laaarmer

            Nice line.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Best part of my comment. I’ll give you a sequel:

            ________________________

      • berkley

        It would be SO cool if the Blackhawks sponsored some peewee/bantam girls hockey teams/leagues in Chicago.

        (EDIT: They may already? Does anyone know of any?)

        Same with the ice crew now and doing what MLB teams do with ballboys and girls. It would be awesome to let a high school or peewee team take that job and strut their shit and shovel snow during the breaks

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Has Hossa given Bauer permission to use his secret identity for their new brand?

    • 10thMountainFire

      How would we even arrange for royalties to be paid to Hossa? The crushed souls of his enemies?

  • Accipiter

    Watching the preliminary WJrs, CAN v FIN.
    Keeping my eyes on Teuvo Targaryen.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Go, Dragon Boy.

  • Paul the Fossil

    Speaking of the speed-of-today’s-game issue, this article was interesting:
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/is-the-nhl-getting-too-fast-to-be-safe/

    • Bullitt315

      Hockey isn’t safe. Hockey never was safe. Hockey is never going to be safe. You have 200 lbs of muscle skating around on razor blades shooting vulcanized rubber at 100 mph. If we took “player safety” to it’s logical conclusion, we’d just ban hockey.

      • lizmcneill

        My thought is to downgrade the kevlar shoulder-pads to something less armour-plated. Checkers will not charge at 30mph into another player if it’s going to hurt them too. And don’t hit guys in the numbers and keep your elbows down, is it really that hard?

        • Waylon

          the idiotic Kevlar thing is something I’ve been harping on since Grade – A arseholes like Stevens were wearing them to delibearately injure opponents.

          • Paul the Fossil

            Yea I’m on board with this. It’s like the unintended effect of football going to hard helmets, which protect the head so well that the head became a tackling weapon.

          • laaarmer

            The helmets are OK, it’s the facemasks. You can do a lot of damage with the facemask, which we used to use all the time back in P-Ville. The helmet protects from skull fracture, like the hockey helmet

        • Paul the Fossil

          There is precedent by the way regarding pads: in 1937 the NHL formally banned the use of metal in player padding. Then by the late 1940s new hard-shell plastic pads were causing enough injuries that the league’s president, Clarence Campbell, publicly criticized the new elbow pads in particular: “It is completely ridiculous for us to permit one player to protect himself with a type of equipment which is constructed in a manner which can injure another.” In 1950 the league adopted a rule that hard elbow pads had to have a “soft outer protective layer”. That rule has turned out to be ineffective [putting some soft rubber atop a hard surface doesn't much prevent the hard surface from being a weapon], but they could take the next step and ban hard shoulder and elbow pads. It’s something that I’d like to see at least tried.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ TMFF

        I am TMFF and I do not support this message (ban Hockey)

      • Paul the Fossil

        No argument there but honestly that’s a straw man — nobody involved in the sport is proposing anything close to what you’re imagining.

        The question is whether the balance between player safety and the sport itself needs further adjusting as it has been adjusted so many times before going all the way back to the sport’s beginnings. And of course if so then _how_ to adjust it this time around.

        For example if elbow/shoulder contact to the head was treated the way stick contact to the head now is, automatic penalty, would that make it impossible in practice to play the body without high risk of committing a penalty? Or on the other hand would players learn/be taught how to knock each other off the puck without hitting each other’s heads? I dunno and neither does anyone else, really, because it hasn’t been tested. So one answer that seems sensible to me is for some level of check hockey to try it for a season or two and let’s see.

        • Bullitt315

          It’s not a straw man, it’s a slippery slope. And I’d argue how often the slippery slope is right, it’s not a fallacy. One of the high horse safety things was Mandatory face shields. No player choice for new NHL’rs now. I have no doubt in the next 15 years there will be an argument for mandatory cages. It always starts as “one little change, it won’t affect the integrity of the game”

          • Paul the Fossil

            How do face shields or cages effect the integrity of the game? No actual evidence has yet been produced to support the cliches about college and high school hockey having more slashing or other high stickwork than pro or junior leagues do. Is there some other way in which mandatory shields or cages would be diminishing the game?

            When helmets starting coming in in the 60s and later were required, did that diminish the integrity of the game? Did goalie masks? When shoulder pads became standard around WW I, did they diminish the integrity of the game? How about when modern hockey gloves with thumb protection were invented in the 1930s, did that diminish the integrity of the game? How about hard plastic shin pads (1961)? Or aluminum sticks (1970s) or composite sticks (1990s)?

            All change will feel to somebody like ruination, but in reality this sport like every other has always changed constantly. When power plays were limited to one PP goal (1956) many fans and players hated the change and were sure it would lead to endless goonery. No doubt when forward passing was first permitted (1929) the old guard was sure it ruined the game…remember the yowling from the Don Cherry crowd about eliminating the 2-line pass rule (2005)? No doubt his slightly-older relatives had yowled when the red line was invented in 1943.

          • 1benmenno

            Let’s not forget the impact of the jockstrap/protective cup on the integrity of the game.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Bxo5SuL_Q

      • 10thMountainFire

        War is empirically dangerous, too. But there are strict conventions to provide parameters for participating in it.

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      I couldn’t get past the first 2 paragraphs of that article. Spector spends the first 2 paragraphs lamenting that one of Gretzky’s patented moves – enter the zone, curl just inside the blue line to buy time, and then hit the trailer (probably Paul Coffey) – would never work in today’s NHL because players are bigger and faster and they backcheck harder than they did before. While the part about players being bigger and stronger and backchecking harder is accurate, but I guess nobody told Pat Kane that he’s not physically capable of pulling that curl and wait move at the blue line. It’s not like he does that multiple times a game or anything…

      • lizmcneill

        And Kaner’s even smaller than Gretzsky was.

      • Paul the Fossil

        I did have that same thought but the difference is how much (less) time Kane can buy himself now compared to Gretzky’s day (and Gretzky was far from the only playmaker who did it then). Watching some 1980s NHL games it really is striking how much more time and space the skilled puckcarriers have than now, as well as how much more often they have it.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          I’ll grant you that puck carriers have less time and space now than they did in the 1980′s version of the NHL, my point is simply that Spector is full of shit. He’s lamenting the demise of a play that still very much exists in today’s NHL. Might as well write a post about how nobody goes forehand – backhand – top-shelf on breakaways anymore, it’s about as accurate a statement.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Not just Kane … it’s a staple of a number of our players. And Boston did that to us almost every other rush during the Cup finals. Lots of teams employ that play. Granted, few (ie, nobody) can do it like Gretzky. I haven’t read it, but that’s maybe more accurate?

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          No, unfortunately it’s not more accurate. Spector’s not saying that nobody can do it as well as Gretzky. Spector is saying that that play is extinct, it’s been entirely eliminated from the game because players are bigger and faster than ever before and they backcheck ferociously. He flat out says that if Gretzky tried that move today he’d be plastered by a backchecking winger before he came close to making the pass. In other words, Spector completely ignores actual facts.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            … then a sincere thanks for the warning. I’ll not visit this particular link.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I noticed Kaner, Hossa and VERSTEEG doing it the last game. But, you know, it’s dead.

  • lizmcneill

    Beats tweeting Raanta is to start tonight #shocker

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      I knew I shouldn’t have taken Simpson in the office pool.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        D’oh!

  • laaarmer

    It’s like an ice rink outside here right now. Have to drive to Lansing for a HS game. Might not survive. I’ll miss you all. Light a candle.

    • CozBullsFan

      Stay safe laaarmer!

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Me most? Will you miss me most?

      • laaarmer

        Why do you have to be so condescending? You make me feel bad. I’m unhappy now. I thought this blog was for everybody.

        • laaarmer

          Yes, it’s not true. I wil not miss not chico the most

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Liar. You’re not missing anyone dead.

          • laaarmer

            How do you know? Are you dead?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I’m a little bit more dead inside from the dumb argument about ice girls if that helps.

          • laaarmer

            My dumb argument or the dumbness in general? Because I could win some awards for my thoughtfulness and lack of dumbness and originalty

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            My own dumbness in not realizing the role that Shoot The Puck and human ice-scrapers have on shaping the future of our species.

          • laaarmer

            I think they had shoot the puck girls on the Mayflower and they were all pregnant

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Considering the state of birth control at the time, I would have no doubts to the second part of your assertion.

          • laaarmer

            Sometimes the Barber didn’t get the prescriptions right. Also, some puritans believed that if you were on a boat it was impossible for the stork to find you and therefore no babies.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Believing’s as good as abstinence.

          • Paul the Fossil

            And you have won today’s threads sir. I bow to you.

          • 10thMountainFire

            False.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          This blog–it has been stated unequivocally by the triumvirate and by the members (in a thread you were curiously absent from)–is for me, and for me alone. But I’m cool with everyone else being here. Just the kind of guy I am.

    • Accipiter

      Put it in 4×4 and put some chains on your tires.

      Drive safe.

    • laaarmer

      Game cancelled. Going to have to do it tomorrow and Sunday instead.

      • 10thMountainFire

    • Waylon

      just watch out for any jack knifing semis on 94 East – those things can be real downers in weather like that.

  • Matthew

    Dear CI:

    PLEASE PLEASE for Jason LaBarbera’s picture use Labarbara’s Conrad’s picture from Futurama.

    Thanks

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      I second this motion!

      Unfortunately it seems doubtful that they’ll get a chance to use any picture of Labarbera anytime soon. In order to see said pic of Labarbera they’d have to expect Labarbera to start, which almost certainly won’t happen before the Christmas break as Raanta is starting tonight and I’d expect him to start again on Monday since they’ll have the weekend off before then. After the break it’s possible he gets Colorado on the 27th or Scum Jr on the 28th, but if it’s Scum Jr that’s an away game so no CI. Add in the fact that Crawford should be back relatively soon and it’s certainly within the realm of possibility that Labarbera doesn’t get a single start or if he does it’s an away game. No home starts = no pic in the CI…

      • Matthew

        Duh, you are correct, I did not think of that! Um… look alikee sections. Sorry I was too giddy with excitement to think properly

  • jordyhawk

    Saw the end of Canada-Finland junior game. TT “far and away” Finland’s most dangerous player according to TSN (although held off the scoresheet in 4-2 Canada win).

    • Accipiter

      He was very noticeable. He is 19 now, I think. He was the most dangerous player with the puck for Finland, was good at puck battles along the boards, and also made efforts to play a 2-way game. Teuvo seems to be developing nicely.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Yay!

      • jordyhawk

        I loved that pass he made to spring the guy with a couple of minutes left…there was nothing there. Gushing aside, I think it is a huge longshot to think he will help us in this year’s playoffs (wee and fresh-faced at this point, but hey, I’d love to be wrong).

        • Accipiter

          Most likely true. Against the competition at the WJrs he stands out, which is good. Prolly needs to get a bit stronger to make the NHL, but if he is as hard to hit as Kane is (I haven’t seen enough of TT to know) he might not be far off.

        • steeg of their own

          This year’s playoffs? No. Categorically not. He’s too valuable for the Hawks to waste the time off his ELC it would take to accustom him to NHL speed. Next year I wouldn’t be surprised to see him stick with the big team for eight or nine games, then go down to the AHL. Year after next is when we’ll really want him to look like he’s worth a year of ELC money.

          • Accipiter

            Yup, still a work in progress.

          • jordyhawk

            Is the 10 game thing cumulative (e.g. 5 games this year plus 5 games next year equal 10) or is it 10 games in a given year?

          • Accipiter

            Goes by season, not cumulative.

          • steeg of their own
          • lizmcneill

            isn’t he turning 20 next session? so the ELC will stop sliding regardless. It’s the UFA/arbitration countdown you don’t want to kick in. Not that he’ll get to free agency if he turns out the way we all hope.

          • Accipiter

            Turns 20 on 9/11/2014

          • steeg of their own

            Totally not a capologist, but TT has the weird position of straddling the CBA. He was drafted (and presumably signed his draft contract) as part of the 2012 class before the new CBA was enacted, so fucked if I know how exactly his ELC starts tolling given the provisions of the new CBA.

          • lizmcneill

            Didn’t he sign during camp this year?

    • steeg of their own

      I watched about half that game, and TT was definitely Finland’s best forward. Can’t wait ’til this kid makes the Hawks a year or two from now. He plays fast with nice hands, shows a real determination when he gets into board battles. I don’t think he’s one of the kids that Q will have to spend a lot of time teaching the word ‘backcheck’. I’d love to see TT get tutelage from Tazer and Hoss on what it means to be a dedicated two-way forward (in the same way that Saad got taught those lessons last year), because TT shows a REALLY rough, young version of that in his game already.

      Kid looks good out there. Can’t wait to see what he does here.

  • Waylon

    shouldn’t have done it but took a few moments to read the Nucks blog and the usual MO was there – we hate Keefer, Toews makes pouty faces, blah, blah, blah. Need some new material over there, or else they still hatey hate us because the Hawks are just that awesome right now.

    • steeg of their own

      That’s what you get for reading NM (I assume that the Nucks blog you read?) before a game. For improved reading experience, wait until after the Hawks beat them down, then go read the game thread and the post-game for the teeth-gnashing and neurotic self-recriminations.

      • Waylon

        actually, the commenter called Zanstrom is pretty decent, as is the other one names Missy. But the others are just meatheaded as all get out. Just reading the ardent defenders of the douche who sucker – punched Lucic in a bar made my eyes bleed.

        • steeg of their own

          Missy’s great. And so are some of their other commenters. On the signal/noise ratio charts though, I find you generally have to sort through a whole lot of noisy bullshit before you get to any glimmers of signal.

          • Country_Bumpkin

            Fast Fact: Vancouver produces the highest amount of tin foil per capita.
            Fast Fact: Vancouver has the highest consumption of tin foil per capita.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      It’s not just the Hawks. Don’t you know it’s the WHOLE WORLD against the Cannucks?

      • 10thMountainFire

        Just anarchists.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I’d go over to NM and let them know to get some new stuff but I’m sort of not liked there.

      • CozBullsFan

        Yeah, you do have a few screws loose.

        • 10thMountainFire

          That is how they characterized me, yes. Fans of a team that burned their city down and blamed anarchists from other cities said I have a screw loose. That’s a distinction I didn’t know I wanted until I attained it.

          • CozBullsFan

            Maybe they have a good idea of what it means to have a few screws loose. I mean, they’re surrounded by people like that every day.

          • Accipiter

            The team burned their city down ?

          • 10thMountainFire

            If you spent half as much time pursuing a degree in basket weaving as you spend on correcting grammar here, you’d be able to afford that double-wide you’ve always dreamed about.

          • Accipiter

            I’ll never be able to afford to live the American dream.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Many of us have to come to grips with missing out on that.

          • steeg of their own

            LOL. You might be surprised how long it takes to get a degree in basketweaving. You might also be surprised how many ‘core curriculum’ classes in English a basketweaving degree requires. And then when you’ve got the degree, you might find nowhere will hire you because you’re ‘overqualified’ since you’ve got a BA (Basketweaving Arts!), and if you’d apprenticed in basketweaving just out of high school, you’d have the years of experience they want Except they want years of experience PLUS a college degree, so fuck you if you didn’t start your unpaid internships just out of high school (because a lot of people need to be paid so they can go to college) and fuck you if you didn’t figure out what degree you wanted in your freshman year (because then you’re too old for entry level once you start applying). At which point you move back in with your parents and want to kill every job recruiter you encounter for the next five years. Not that I’m bitter because I’m now employed. It just took me five years to find a job in this fucked up system. Ahem.

          • 10thMountainFire

            My God, that’s the most awesome, unexpected response I have ever gotten to that comment.

          • Accipiter

            Can you afford a double-wide now ?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Generalizations and nationalities are no place for put-downs, Accipiter.

          • Accipiter

            I’m not sure I know what you are on about.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m just a dumb American. I could be on about anything.

          • steeg of their own

            I’m working on it. I feel accomplished that I can

            now afford a cat, and if the cat or I somehow contracts a debilitating disease in the next 5 years or so, I have enough savings to probably support one of us through a couple rounds of surgery. When Obamacare kicks in next year, I’ll actually be financially secure for the first time in my life thanks to mandatory pre-ex coverage.

          • Accipiter

            Are you single ?

          • steeg of their own

            Yeah. (Unless you count the cat as a significant other)

          • 10thMountainFire

            Get a dog. Cats love them.

          • steeg of their own

            I’ve been taking care of my brother’s dog (pitbull mix, sweet dog). She’s getting ACL surgery this week as her christmas present.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m still $30k+ in student loan debt so I can’t get the German Shepherd I’ve dreamed about yet. But I’m living the dream nonetheless.

          • Accipiter

            I have no cat, but I do have healthcare.

          • steeg of their own

            The cat made me hopeful and happy through some sick times that would have been easier without money worries, and I set up a trust when I adopted her with enough to cover cat medical bills for a few years should anything happen to me. But soon, I can get health insurance! I have a genetic condition that counts as pre-existing for basically every insurer ever, so coverage is tough. But hopefully soon that won’t be such a big thing, so that’s nice. And hey, if I can put the savings account I kept for personal medical expenses towards retirement, I’ll be ahead of the curve.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Went through similar and it happened during college as well. Glad you’re on the other side of this.

          • Accipiter

            Well, that is positive news. Pre-existing conditions are problematic, I have had trouble with getting coverage for anything related to a pre-existing condition. Hope you can get ahead.

  • Country_Bumpkin

    I’m prolly late to the party, but my fucking God the department of player safety is such a fucking joke. Shanahan should be fired for not suspending and fining Wilson for his reckless hit on Schenn in the Caps/Flyers game.
    This is on the par with Roger Goddell’s susposed move towards player safety in the NFL, which is also a goddamn joke.
    I am fucking embarrassed to be a hockey fan.
    I threatened to write a letter about this, maybe I should.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Welcome to the party. Many of us were embarrassed after Torres on Hossa.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        Yes, well at least they disciplined the ref who failed to even make a call on the ice….. by promoting him to head of officiating.

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          Fail up as they say.

        • 10thMountainFire

          And then left Torres in the game, tossed out Bollig, and went about his day. Because like, stupid… that’s why.

    • lizmcneill

      What was the rationale for letting him off? it seemed to me that even if Schenn hadn’t turned he’d have gone backwards into the board anyway. Danger zone for hits.

  • Accipiter

    Eddie Lack is expected to start tonight for the Canucks.
    / per TSN.

    • lizmcneill

      Lu doesn’t want to hear the Dagger then?

      • steeg of their own

        (Not that Torts used this rationale, but…) Lu wants a spot on Team Canada. Right now it’s him and Price for #1 goalie. A start against the Hawks (who routinely put up 3+ goals on their opponents) is basically a guarantee that his stats take a hit. If I were an Olympic starter in a close race, I’d wish my coach gave me the night off against the Hawks too.

  • Accipiter