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Morning Links 1/14/13

Leahy looks at the new deal, including the end of 12/26 at the UC: PD

Here are the 26 in camp: BH

Does Bolland to 2C feel a little like Hester to WR to anyone else?: ESPNChi

Want to make me happy, here’s an idea WIN GAMES: CSN

The farm is fairly stocked: HF

A closer look at the teams we hate: CtA

Bergevin and Les Habitants send Gomez home: PHT

hahahahhahahahah… but no really ahahahahahaha good luck with that hahahaha: NM

  • http://www.facebook.com/USA.Kyle Kyle Miller

    Does Seabs always tape his shins like that?

    • TMFF

      Because he is Brent Seabrook and you are not!

      • http://twitter.com/oregon_hawk Oregon_hawk

        Lockout must be making you rusty.

  • redkoolaid

    Better Bolland at #2 Center than Kane I suppose but this still stinks of Bowman’s inability to upgrade a key position outside of the organization.

    • http://twitter.com/oregon_hawk Oregon_hawk

      I agree it’d be best to add talent from outside, but I can’t recall a player ever being available the hawks could obtain for a reasonable price, or without leaving a hole elsewhere through trade.

      There isn’t exactly a bustling top-2 line center market out there.

      Centers: Toews, Bolland, Kruger, Mayers.

      That could really work (if kruger can get it done)

      • redkoolaid

        I agree that it’s easy for us to point fingers but, that being said, Bowman has shown a tendency to NEVER be capable of pulling the trigger on a big trade. He’s just too conservative for my tastes. That being said I’m okay with at least trying Kruger at #3. I’m actually MUCH more worried about our goalie situation (which, in a short season, could be devastating) than #2 C.

        • http://twitter.com/oregon_hawk Oregon_hawk

          I’d like you to point out a trade that doesn’t leave us with as big a hole as 2C somewhere else.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? Johnsson and Leddy for Barker during the cup run was nothing? Also nothing, getting a 1st round draft pick for the RFA negotiating rights to Troy Brouwer, and all of the picks and prospects that Bowman accumulated during the summer 2010 capocalypse were nothing as well. I get not agreeing with all of the moves that he’s made, and I get yearning for Bowman to make a bigger splash than he has previously. But given the situations the ‘Hawks have been in and what’s actually been available the market, your claim that “Bowman has shown a tendency to NEVER be capable of pulling the trigger on a big trade” is both asinine and factually inaccurate.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Faker/558555424 John Faker

            Im also so sick of people blasting bowman for “not making a move” Whats funny to me is even if he makes a move, everyone will say, “HE PAID TOO MUCH”

            What I have just written is also every Al Cimaglia article for the last two years. So sick of that guy too. Hes got an agenda against Bowman and its sickening.

          • Neal Schmidt

            Absolutely, what happened to Al C? He was never an elegant writer but now he makes JJ look “fair and balanced.” :)

            And the Hawks have had to dump salary for the last two years. It’s really hard to upgrade a team when you have to dump salary and can’t take on any in return.

          • justforkicks

            don’t forget getting rid of scoot and actually getting something back

        • Joe Banks

          If splashy trades are what you crave, Brian Burke may be available

      • Paul the Fossil

        Yes, this. What would the Hawks have to give up to get a _better_ #2 center than Bolland can be? I’m actually a bit surprised that this solution hasn’t been given a serious try before now. If the Hawks are going to invest meaningful current talent into a major trade I’d much rather it be for a true NHL-caliber starting goalie than for an established #2 center.

        And I like Kruger fine as a defense-first center except for his physical size. Which is no small issue: there are very few top-six NHL centers anymore who are in the Denis Savard small-but-insanely-quick-playmaker tradition…Kruger is an inch or two taller than Kane but did he add any muscle during the offseason?

        • http://twitter.com/oregon_hawk Oregon_hawk

          I think he’s been in the Rock – so there should be some ability to tell. Although, that time has been in a #1 center role, not a checking center role.

          At any rate, I have to wonder if there are people on this site who have first hand knowledge….

      • Woods

        Wasn’t Grabovsky available at some point?

    • http://www.facebook.com/USA.Kyle Kyle Miller

      Bolland does have some offense in him. I think with how much he gets paid especially, this is a good move. At least to see how it pans out in the first few weeks. And whats also great is he’s defensive minded, so he can get Kaners back when he’s too far up ice when we turn it over in the neutral zone

  • MySpoonIsTooBig

    The Canucks signing Cam Barker, even if it’s just to be their 7/8 d-man with a distinct possibility of demotion to the Wolves, is fucking hilarious. Getting both Johnsson and Leddy from Minnesota for Barker will likely go down as the greatest moves Bowman ever pulled off

    • 10thMountainFire

      Has anyone seen Johnsson? I heard that he’s working at a Jiffy Lube downstate.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Really? I heard that he’s dead and buried directly under center ice at the United Center…

        • 10thMountainFire

          Wait. They have a Jiffy Lube under center ice?

          • Joe Banks

            It’s next to the Burger King

      • Joe Banks

        And they call him… Jiffy Lube Johnsson

  • Joe Banks

    Johan Mattsson in the USHL, (Tri City Storm) is he done?

  • JesusMarianHossa

    Does Bolland to 2C feel a little like Hester to WR to anyone else?

    Not in the least. He’s only two years removed from skating with Andrew Ladd and Kris Versteeg on a line that produced a fair amount of points. Just because he was with the likes of Frolik, Bickell and Shaw the last two years doesn’t mean he’s regressed to solely checking duty.

    For once, I like a shake-up Joel Quenneville instituted… provided he lets it marinate for a while and doesn’t just switch it back up after 5 minutes of gameplay.

    • http://www.facebook.com/USA.Kyle Kyle Miller

      This^

    • Accipiter

      I like the idea as well. Bolly has been on the 2nd PP unit with some of the top 6 forwards in the past. Playing with Kane and Sharp on a more consistent basis may create a new dynamic to the team and 2 solid PP units.

      • http://twitter.com/oregon_hawk Oregon_hawk

        We’re sort of just hoping we can get one solid PP unit this season, right?

        • Accipiter

          Our PP wasn’t good last year, but with the talent that the Hawks have they should have two strong forward units on the PP. I think it comes down to creating a new strategy, not just the backdoor play. I think Sam mentioned something like trying Kaner quarterbacking the play off the half boards. Whatever they do they need a new approach.

          • http://twitter.com/oregon_hawk Oregon_hawk

            I think they should just give kane the puck and he should circle the zone until something appears. Should give the PK units heart attacks.

          • justforkicks

            hah, it could work. during the spengler cup i believe he took a shift (ev strength though i think) where all his line mates went out on a line change and he was the offensive zone by himself keeping the puck while being swarmed. it was pretty funny, but he seemed totally fine

    • 10thMountainFire

      Yes. Very, very, very yes.

    • M7

      Yep. Committ to a line and hold it together for a while. I worry that the second Kruger’s line (if he’s 3rd cheking) gets horsed we’ll see Bolly get shuffled around. If Q decides to give some tough matchups and zone starts to Bolly’s #2 line I almost wonder if i wouldn’t rather have Hossa on his wing than Kane though…

    • Banjo Legs

      If Bolly is between Sharp and Kaner (like they were at camp yesterday) I think it could work. He just needs to play his d-game and cause his usual trouble around the net.

    • raditzzzz

      in b4 switched up after 5 minutes of gameplay.

    • Neal Schmidt

      No real training camp, no preseason games, guys are in “who knows what” kind of shape. I’m expecting a whole lot of generic hockey for awhile. That means a lot of rolling lines to start the season.

      Bolland on the second line goes hand in hand with that. Hawks typically never played third line against third line. You will probably see that a lot at the start of the season. That is also why there is an offensive player on each line.

      Also Hawks are looking at Shaw to be able to play center at least in a “pinch.” Probably won’t start out there, though.

  • 10thMountainFire

    I am tempted to be a bit excited at the possibility of Carcillo returning. But:

    1. His knee issues may limit him even further.
    2. Was his 2011-2012 start an abberration?
    3. He proved yet again last year that he is often incapable of avoiding dumb fucking penalties and suspensions.

    So… what should we consider an effective season contribution by Carcillo?

    • JesusMarianHossa

      When he’s a healthy scratch or playing 4th line minutes. So, basically when he’s replacing what Q thinks Bollig should be doing and Bollig is either not on the roster or scratched every single game.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Seems fair enough. If we can get 2-3 stretches in the season where he skates well and impacts the way the opposition anticipates us, I think we get our money’s worth.

    • justforkicks

      if he can’t avoid dumb penalties and bollig and shaw are on the team (i’m pretty sure they will) and they retain their stupid play from the hogs (i’m pretty sure they will) then our PK better be fucking spectacular

      • Banjo Legs

        I’d like to hope he finally figured out that he can be a lot more useful (and make a lot more money) if he’s a successful top 6 guy who opens up space around the crease. I really do. Before he went stupid and got injured, he was halfway useful with Kaner and Hoss.

        • Joe Banks

          He pissed people off so bad, they quit paying attention to Kaner and Hoss, which is a beautiful thing.

        • justforkicks

          that’s certainly what i’m hoping for, because you’re right, he was really useful for kaner and hoss, but i just don’t know.

          • Accipiter

            So useful that they (88 & 81) nicknamed him Luigi.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Then you have to call me Nighthawk.

          • Banjo Legs

            I should also add a huge “I’ll believe it when I see it” to my pro-Carbombing. *tugs collar*

    • http://twitter.com/oregon_hawk Oregon_hawk

      I was fine with him until his injury+dumbassery that got him suspended.

      As long as he stays within himself, I think he is the realized potential of a guy like shaw or bollig (more than bollig will ever become, probably).

      Cause trouble, protect the top lines, open space, add energy. Points are secondary. I feel like he’s a lot of what the top 2 lines needs – constant energy.

      • Joe Banks

        Have to agree with constant energy – see 9 game losing streak

    • Sparky_The_Barbarian

      Not getting a twenty game suspension…

    • Waylon

      Ending Raffi Torre’s career.

  • westy99

    Morning,

    Bolland at 2C is intriguing. But it will take a more consistent effort from Bolland to make that work. He took too many periods off last year and with him on the 2nd line it would have a greater negative effect.

    I still can’t wait to see what happens with your goalie situation.

    • http://twitter.com/oregon_hawk Oregon_hawk

      I don’t think Bolly takes periods off… he just concentrates on things other than producing points.

      Can’t wait to see what happens to your goalie situation either.

      • westy99

        other things like….his straight jacket fitting

    • Waylon

      Bolly takes too many periods off every year – that’s his MO. What most want from him is to stay healthy for the playoffs, and try to win at least a few faceoffs from time to time.

    • Neal Schmidt

      Again, this is NOT the chart of a center who takes shifts off. In fact this is the chart of a center who plays the toughest shifts out there.

      http://nhlnumbers.com/uploads/Image/Chicago.PNG

      And I gave a good explanation of it in the thread below.

      http://thecommittedindian.com/well-were-waiting-2013-blackhawks-season-preview-the-3rd-line/#comments

      And people make too big of a deal of 2c/3c or whatever. None of that is important. What is important is how a player is used. Toews and Bolland were the top two centers on the Hawks and will most likely continue to be this season. It is just how Q plans to do his match-ups that will most likely change.

  • Apothecaries’ Weight

    Why is Brent Seabrook hooking Marian Hossa? DO NOT TOUCH THE HOSSA.

    • TMFF

      Looked like Biscuit to me

      • Apothecaries’ Weight

        Fixed

  • Sparky_The_Barbarian

    I like Bolland at 2C better than I like Kane at 2C*, but not as much as I like Sharp at 2C.

    *Nothing against Humpty, he did a great job last year, but he’s a natural at wing.

  • ahnfire

    I’m not going to freak out about Shaw at 3LC since Frogger isn’t on the ice (I hope he’s ok) but WTF Q WHY THE FUCK IS CARCILLO ON THE FIRST LINE WITH MARVEL+PANDA AND STALBERG ON LINE 3 WITH SHAW+BICKS?!

    It’s the 2nd day of camp and already I want to kick Q in the shins.

    • justforkicks

      the mysteries of Q. i know its training camp and things might change but idk, carcillo on the first line is crazy pants, even though i thought it was crazy pants on the 2nd line as well and they did pretty good for a while there.

      • http://twitter.com/oregon_hawk Oregon_hawk

        I don’t think it is crazy pants, but as option 1 ahead of stalberg, yeah… what?

        • justforkicks

          well that’s why its crazy pants! we have some great guys that i think should be ahead of him and yet…

    • http://whatisthebestadverb.wordpress.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      I don’t know, I’ll take Carcillo on line 1 and Stalberg in the more defensively responsible checking role sooner than I’d take the opposite. The other option is Carcillo down on the 4th, and honestly, he’s proved he can do more than that on this team (which I hate admitting).

    • justforkicks

      also frogger has the flu

  • Sparky_The_Barbarian

    Players in camp…

    The one position for which there is no competition to make the club, is in Goal. Does this reflect confidence in Crow and Razr, or a crippling lack of options?

    • Accipiter

      Both options are correct.