• 10thMountainFire

    That girl in the front row cannot believe her eyes.

    • Accipiter

      Sharpie has that effect on people.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Put your pants on.

  • ChicagoNativeSon

    I made this chart after game 1, just out of curiosity, but since Sam brought up the topic in the BUF post game wrap, the timing seems right to post it…

    I compared the 8 Hawks’ players who got significant PK time last season. Since there has been a lot of talk lately regarding Kruger-Frolik (they were invincible) and Toews-Hossa (some believe it’s a bad idea to have 19-81 on the PK much), I only show the results for those 4 so the point don’t get lost among the noise of the other 4 PKers.

    Fields highlighted in blue designate a ranking of “best” or “2nd best” among the 8 main PKers. Fields highlighted in pink mean the player was “worst” or “2nd worst” of the 8. These are almost all “per 60″ stats, so the TOI isn’t really a factor. Although possibly QoC could be.

    So yes, Kruger-Frolik were good, but they were actually the worst on the team in most categories per 60. Toews-Hossa were ridiculous (look at the GF vs GA).

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_team_statistics.php?ds=52&s=51&f1=2012_s&c=0+1+2+3+4+43+44+45+46+47+48+49+50+51+52#

    Hawks were only middle of the pack in shots against on the PK (12th). As Sam stated, the fact that Crow-Emery had the 3rd best PK Sv% in the league was probably a bigger factor for the PK success.

    • laaarmer

      Headline:
      “CNS’ numbers back up laaarmer’s brilliance!”

      • 10thMountainFire

        A legend in your own mind.

        • laaarmer

          You know it!

          • 10thMountainFire

            It’s allowed.

    • lizmcneill

      I’ve said it before: we need to clone Tazer. Kaner will bitch but I’m sure he will come around when he realizes he doesn’t need to be centered by Zus any more.

    • birdhead

      Thanks for posting this (but I still miss Frofro #rationality)

  • Paul the Fossil

    Definitely agree with Meyers that the 4th line of Smith/Bollig/Nordstrom has been an asset so far. All are young with room to develop further, all play with plenty of energy, two of the three have some skills, Bollig has gotten better at using his size to protect pucks, and Smith can win faceoffs. Lots of NHL teams, including some playoff teams, have a lot less than that as their 4th lines.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      I gotta admit, I was one of those calling for Nordstrom to be sent down after the first couple of games, but in watching him a little more closely, he’s really been pretty solid. He still needs to gain some strength as he can be pushed around a little, but he’s got nice hands, good instincts/hockey sense, and in spite of his (lack of) size he still mixes it up and wins board battles. In fact, he seems to play more physically than Hayes.

      • Paul the Fossil

        Yea he does, it’s one of those “size of the fight in the dog” deals. Reminds me a bit of Shaw — you watch Chicken Hawk fly around and bang people and half the time he just bounces off, and yea he’d do better in that regard if he was Seabrook’s size, but…still rather have a 180-pounder who buzzes around and bangs with enthusiasm than a 220-pounder who doesn’t.

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          That’s why I don’t think Hayes will ever cut it. It’s really hard to find examples of guys who start out passive and become aggressive or who increase their level of “fight.” Someone once said something about a leopard and its spots… and while Hayes doesn’t have to be Shaw Jr., he really needs to learn to use his size a bit more and not only for shielding the puck. He’s got to be a guy that gets into the crease or scrums in the corners if he’s not going to be a play-maker or a sniper and thus far he hasn’t shown those abilities either. So, he’s left just being “a guy” and being just “a guy” means you are always expendable.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Hayes has shown me enough at this point. I think at best he’s a marginal 4th liner. Improvement? Possible. Not likely.

          • laaarmer

            He should room with Beach, wherever that is.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Switzerland?

          • laaarmer

            No, that’s a neutral country. Send him to room with Beach in Munich.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You have to wonder what in the fuck Q saw that none of us saw.

            Then you have to wonder if we are all really correct about Morin and Smith and Pirri and Q is just blind or belligerent.

          • laaarmer

            What about Saad?
            That guy will never make it.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Can’t keep up with 19 and 81.

          • laaarmer

            That’s why he’s a 3rd liner – cliff

          • 10thMountainFire

            Until now?

          • cliffkoroll

            Nope. He’s a third liner because they paid Bickell $4 million per year.

          • laaarmer

            Yes, but I still think I’m going to owe you a 40 of Cobra before the season is over

          • 10thMountainFire

            So what do we do when Gaad gets $6 million per?

          • lizmcneill

            Dragging his line around the ice…..some other dude did that last year, it’s not like he had a career year and won an award or anything….

          • Accipiter

            LC

          • lizmcneill

            Beach is in Sweden. Maybe over there they will infuse him with some of the capabilities of Jelly or Kruger.

          • Why

            I’ve heard guys say that because skating drills are so big on that side of the pond that a lot of guys really improve that aspect of their game. I’m not telling anyone to get on the Beach bandwagon but going to Sweden might be his best chance of turning into a player that would be useful in the show.

            And my guess is Bickell’s improvement had a lot to do with that decision.

          • lizmcneill

            Yeah, much as I’d like to see Beach become any way useful I don’t hold out a lot of hope. He’s marginal even on a team with no depth. But hey, Sweden is a nice country and he doesn’t have a family to uproot, he can have himself a nice career over there.

        • lizmcneill

          Chicken Hawk, I love it. Is that (becoming) a thing?

      • laaarmer

        He should not be a PK guy.

        • laaarmer

          yet

          • robondacob

            I’m with you on that. He looks like he could eventually become the PK guy that some people wanted stalberg to be (when our PK sucked and everyone was floating ideas)

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Who did you call? Do they even know who you are?

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          See that’s my problem. I get all those Swedes mixed up so I kept calling Ace of Base, though I will say they opened up my mind.

      • lizmcneill

        He has been reminding me of an even smaller and more scrappy Kruger. Hockey IQ will take you farther than size, although Nory definitely needs to get stronger. (I read an article once from an amateur scout that put “size” 5th or 6th in what he looked for in a kid, after skill, skating, hockey sense and attitude (see Beach, Kyle))

  • BigHoss

    Happy Monday!

    • 10thMountainFire

      Cut the shit.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      This is not the federal government, we work on Mondays.

  • Preacher

    Am I missing something on the “farmer” link? I don’t get why it’s been linked here today.
    And did Stalberg get a ring?

    • Roy Batty

      He got his ring at the Hawks’ ceremony in Chicago…he was injured at the time I think? so he just came up for the festivities

    • Joe DeTolve

      Mike Modano has a cameo in The Mighty Ducks and that is his line as he is introduced to Gordon Bombay by Basil McRae.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Holmgren, taking the pressure off in Vancouver and Toronto since 2011.

  • mazer_rackham

    That Bolland guy is doing well in Toronto…maybe he’d be a good 2C for us to pick up at the deadline

    • laaarmer

      CNS, if I may.
      His SH% is 25 so far, so yeah, he’s having a good time now, but as I have learned, it wont last and he will finish around 14.4, so it’s downhill from here scoring wise.
      His FO%, which I have learned is not important, is 44.4%.

      He looks like Dave Bolland to me, but with some additional luck.

      • 1benmenno

        What . . . what’s happened to you, laaarms?

        • laaarmer

          I will not stand for the

          “Bring biug buff(tt) back crap with regards to Bolland. I like the guy and I wish he was here, but he is what he is. And that is not what he is right now. Comprende?

          • 1benmenno

            I meant the stats.
            Edit: Also, I think mazer_r is kidding.

          • laaarmer

            I know what you meant
            I used the stats to prove my point with regards to my opinion on Dave Bolland current stats.

          • mazer_rackham

            He is 100% in his Stanley Cup winning goal shot attempts in the past year. FACT

          • laaarmer

            Yes, and it was the only shot that will matter in his Chicago career.
            It was awesome.

          • red palace

            Circular reference warning

          • laaarmer

            Is that the new way of saying circle jerk.
            Crawford on the current PK:

            “It’s a real circular reference”

          • red palace

            I wouldn’t worry about it. I get that message all the time, I don’t think it means anything.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            This isn’t spreadsheets, red palace. There are rules.

          • laaarmer

            It might mean something when it means something that means something, for what it matters

          • laaarmer

            Don’t you fucking edit.

            I know he is not completely serious.

          • mazer_rackham

            I present Antti Byfcamplandberg, an amalgam of every player who we never should have gotten rid of

            SPEED: plus

            GOALS: all of them
            PLUSMINUS: yes
            SAVES: do you have to ask?

            GRIT: like sandy toiletpaper

          • laaarmer

            You forgot Burladdouwerioshullarmer

          • 10thMountainFire

            Did Plusminus serve as head of the empire before or after Ceasar?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I would contend he is what he is now only because of where he is now and when where he is now starts to feel like where he use to be, he will become what he was before and not what he is now. I liked who he was where he was before but would agree with Stan that where he he was needed more of what he is now than what he was to remain where he was for any GM trying to built a team wisely.

          • cliffkoroll

            Wherever you go, there you are.

      • mazer_rackham

        Everyone knows that in Toronto its not about shot quantity, its about shot quality

        • laaarmer

          I believe you are correct.

      • Joe Banks

        Toronto told him that’s a Shamrock on his shirt, and he believes it.
        He also thinks they are after his lucky charms.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Bolland was not a 2C with the Hawks. It just didn’t work.

      • mazer_rackham

        Well it looks like Zus is back in the 2C slot for next game so obviously Q doesn’t mind beating dead horses.

        • laaarmer

          Keep up the Bolland thing and we’ll say the same thing about you.
          I predict, based on past performance, Bolland to score 23 goals for Toronto, if he plays a full season. He has not played a full season since 08-09 (almost in 11-12). So again, based on past performance, he gets 15-16.

          • 10thMountainFire
          • Why

            Based on past performance, how does he do in the playoffs?

          • laaarmer

            Did Toronto male the playoffs?

          • 10thMountainFire

            I don’t see how gender plays into this.

          • lizmcneill

            well, everyone who plays for Toronto is a dude.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Link?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Given a woman’s well-established superior multi-tasking ability, Toronto is entirely too-improved to be all male.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Maybe Pirri gets more than nine minutes against Carolina… and Zus is our 4C…

          • Joe Banks

            I did not 4C that…

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        This. He didn’t really prosper til he was dropped back to 3C or 4C. I hope he does great in Toronto this year and cashes in BIG TIME. Then, he can go back to Rat mode.

    • Why

      I’d trade a 2nd and two fourths for another playoff year with Bolland.

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        So would Toronto.

        • Why

          Stupid smart Toronto.

  • BestPredsForward

    MacIsaac is pulling a Fels and is forgetting the Best Predators Forward.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Nein. He has his ring already.

  • Marian Brossa

    I’m going to be at Tuesday’s game in Carolina. By the transitive property, all players better than Klinkhammer should score 2+ goals, correct?

  • red palace

    So, at the beginning of the Backhand Shelf article, the back of my mind was wondering is this how the Crow signing will be viewed a few years down the line. It didn’t take long at all to decide “no”. While Crow’s contract raised some eyebrows for sure, Stan has done it without touching the core. Wow, what a mess in Philly.
    Interesting that with the contracts of Crawford, Lundqvist and Miller all expiring next summer, it was the Hawks who sealed up the extension first.

    • Paul the Fossil

      Lundqvist will, if he goes to free agency next summer, command the largest contract yet awarded to an NHL goalie at least in nominal dollars. And Miller will seek similar type money and might get it from some dumb GM (cough Holmgren cough) but wouldn’t be worth it. That’s probably part of Stan’s logic in pulling the trigger with Crawford.

      • zacked

        Miller’s contract will depend on if he plays for the US, which is a longshot at this point. But given the amount of work he’s going to get for the Swords, there’s a chance.

        • Joe Banks

          All this talk about Miller pisses me off, because it is sooo painful to think where we would be if we had Miller now, and had unloaded that drunken Patrick Kane Contract.
          Philly had the balls to unload Richards and Carter, and look at them now!

      • amontesawesome

        Crawford numbers since joining the club full time-
        148 GP, 3932 SA, .913 Sv%

        Miller numbers over the same time frame-
        171 GP, 5175 SA, .917%

        If Crawford’s salary is truly what a goalie of his stats deserves, I’m not sure how Miller could make less than him, though I would assume for shorter term.

        • Paul the Fossil

          Oh sure Miller will make at least as much as Crawford’s new contract. Lundqvist though will definitely get elite money, either from the Rangers or from someone else.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Crow signing before the others: Stan’s big brain at work. Give a little more now (6 MM instead of the 4.5 MM most of us would have wanted) before Crow has another good season, other goalie contracts get extended (Goalies who have NOT won a cup, let alone finished second in Con Smythe voting) and the price goes up.

      • 10thMountainFire

        That ain’t no Hank Williams song!

      • ballyb11

        One big “if” there though.

      • Why

        How much do you have to pay Crow if he wins a 2nd cup?

  • laaarmer

    Ken Oda,
    Are the new charging, boarding, and head contact penalty rules applicable to juniors too?

  • CozBullsFan

    So I see Sharpy’s new baby Sadie was born!

    • mad-hatter

      Carolina should be afraid.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Maybe just the posts and crossbars…

        • mad-hatter

          >:(

  • robondacob

    Last Word On Sports thinks very highly of Nordstrom: http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/10/14/breakout-watch-blackhawks-joakim-nordstrom/

    Honestly, I’ve been impressed by him these last couple games, but he just doesn’t seem ready for anything more than fourth line/press box duties. Does he really contribute more than someone like Morin would? I think he can be a great frolik substitute eventually, but I am skeptical that will happen this year.

    • ChicagoNativeSon

      OK, I like Nordstrom, watched him at a couple games and commented that he skates just like Toews (just in style, he’s obviously no Toews), and think he’ll do fine…

      BUT

      I’m rather certain that article was written by a grade school student.

      • Why

        Yep. I write terribly but that is a great example of why I tend to read this site rather than hunt around for other blogs.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          The grade school student you know…

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            or students

      • DesertHawk

        Fine IF he eats more sammiches. My inner Polak is bothered immensely by how skinny he is.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Why are you harboring St. Louis Blues players inside you?

          • DesertHawk

            I blame Hitler mostly, made Poland not a nice place to be when my Great Grandfater was a young adult.

          • Joe Banks

            Did he say something about N. Kariya again?

  • lizmcneill

    The Disqus comment system is temporarily in maintenance mode. You
    can still read comments during this time, however posting comments and
    other actions are temporarily delayed.

    So, a typical day on disqus then?