• Andrew Heitman

    Shaw and Saad on the second line….two guys to dig pucks out for Kane. Interesting…..

    Too bad there isnt anyone there to win faceoffs. Better give them a ton of O-zone starts

    • laaarmer

      Kane wins faceoffs

      • lizmcneill

        about 42% of them IIRC.

        Is there any site that gives career FOs? nhl.com only gives it per year.

        • laaarmer

          faceoff%.com
          I would start there

          • mazer_rackham

            Kane hasn’t won a faceoff since November…trade him for a 2C

        • Paul the Fossil

          Not finding career percentages.
          For this season those three guys are at Shaw 44%, Saad 44%, Kane 25% (1 for 4).
          Last season Shaw 44%, Saad 37%, Kane 20%.
          2011-2012 Shaw 47%, Saad N/A, Kane 42%.

          • laaarmer

            If Kane played center all the time, he would be at 80%

          • laaarmer

            But as we learned from previous seasons.

            FACEOFFS DON’T MATTER!

          • Paul the Fossil

            C’mon now, let’s step off the straw-man train.

            A true statement is that faceoff percentages matter less than a lot of other things. Certainly within the ranges we’re typically talking about at the NHL level: Shaw’s 44% rate means that the team loses about one more faceoff per game on average than if Kruger’s 56% had been taking the same draws. One faceoff loss is not nothing but it’s also not a major factor in winning or losing. How well or poorly Shaw plays the rest of the center position throughout a game matters a lot more.

          • Paul the Fossil

            (Probably worth adding that in Toews’ case you could double the marginal impact of the faceoff win rate because he takes about twice as many draws per game as do either Kruger or Shaw.)

          • laaarmer

            I’m going to go ahead and disagree with this.

          • Paul the Fossil

            Never doubted it.

          • laaarmer

            Fuck you with the strawman comment. On this site, anytime somebody says something people don’t like/disagree with, it’s a fucking strawman. Fuck that. The comment has been made that faceoff/faceoff % doesn’t matter. You know it has been made, and you are making it above.

            So, it’s better to say “statistically, faceoff % doesn’t matter” rather than faceoff % doesn’t matter. Because as you well know, faceoff % does matter when thought in terms of a hockey game, which is not played in an abacus, rather on a sheet of ice with sticks and pucks.

          • Bullitt315

            I would like to 2nd Laaarmer’s comment and copy and paste the argument to the “Hits don’t matter” crowd.

          • laaarmer

            You mean Hitz.

            Hitz actually could be a negative statistic as the other team has the puck and you then have to hitz them in order to get it back, but yeahz, if your hitz gain possession of the puckz, they mattah

          • lizmcneill

            Winning the hit stat doesn’t matter.

          • Bullitt315

            People don’t say “Winning the hit stat doesn’t matter” they say “Hits don’t matter”

            No argument has been made winning the hit stat matters

          • laaarmer

            Isn’t Clutterbuck from Hitstadt, MN?

          • lizmcneill

            “The Hawks need to hit more”. You don’t hear that here, but you do hear it.

          • Paul the Fossil

            So saying that the differences in faceoff % among actual NHL centers matter less for winning in the NHL than do a lot of other aspects of playing center in the NHL, is equivalent in your mind to a blanket statement that “faceoffs don’t matter”? Really?

            Well…most likely then we’re just not going to ever be on the same page about how winning and losing works in hockey. (Or about the practical definition of “straw man.”)

          • laaarmer

            Enough with your strawman arguments.

            Every single play in a hockey game matters. You know, like “I wish they would play a full 60″

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            I agree, faceoff % does matter, especially on the PP/PK.

          • VerStig

            How about just saying “faceoffs matter, but faceoff % doesn’t?”

            By that I mean, there’s enough meaningless faceoff wins/losses in a game (you immediately cough up the puck, or can’t keep it in the zone, or something or other) that the stat gets washed out. It’s still a reasonable predictor of success so you should still put in your best faceoff guys in critical situations, but in most of those situations, nothing happens so you can’t really look at the stat.

            Just like with the “scoring chances” or “quality shots” argument, you’re better off looking at “quality faceoffs” even though you can only judge those after the fact. Like only look at what happens on faceoffs right before a goal — that’d be a much cleaner set of data to work with.

          • laaarmer

            Every faceoff has the potential to result in a goal.

            All the faceoffs matter. All the give aways and takeaways matter. All the shots matter. All the passes matter. The points in October are worth as much as the points in January. All the points matter.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            This is one of those things for me that is a clear micro/macro thing, and the micro too often gets brushed under the carpet. The winning or losing of a single faceoff in, say, the third period, can mean the winning or losing of a game, which no one can deny as it happens time and time again. From there, I can safely conclude that faceoffs are a crucial part of the game. BUT, what exactly a player’s faceoff percentage tells us about his impact on winning, that’s another thing altogether.

            They’re two drastically different arguments.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            Agree, totally on both topics.

          • laaarmer

            Well done Chico (not)

            Statisitics in sports can be used as potential predictors, that is all they are good for. Here is an example that I often think of. For the last several billion years, the sunrise has been a 100% sure thing. It happens every day. There is no chance of it not happening and us being here to see it not happen. So, there is really no need to track it. We track the statistics in games and we “average” these numbers we collect to try to bring some order or predictability to the sport we love. We all know deep down that this sport does not work that way, but we try anyway. The 1980 mens Olympic hockey team could not statistically beat the USSR, yet there I was watching and seeing it happen. Auburn was not supposed to beat Alabama in the situation they were in this year. The numbers said very little chance, yet that son of a bitch ran the field goal back for a touchdown (poor NicK Saban, eh?).
            Finally, the games and what happens in those game are what drives the “numbers”. It cannot and will not be the other way around.

            A players faceoff win % tells us that he should on average win whatever %, or in other words not that he will win 6 out of 10, but that he should. When two guys who are at 60% face off 10 times, the numbers say the sun will not come up tomorrow, eh?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            No, they do not sum up, and they both will not be 60% at the end, but that does not change is FO% is important. For example.
            The top 5 teams in GF/G average 10.6th in FO%. The Top 10% average 10.4th. What makes these numbers significant is compared to the Bottom 5 and 10 which are at 21.8th and 16.6th. This tends to show a possible relation of FO% to GF, it does not show why (possibly because it implies more possession time). But these same set of numbers show that for some teams they are not as important since the Top 15 AVG 13.8th and BOT 15 17.2nd, a much smaller difference.
            This is an example of how in the creamy middle it may not show much, and even when taken with 30 teams all together it does not show much, but these more extreme ends do show a correlation of some sort that the better a team is at FO% they TEND (not have to) be putting the puck in the net more frequently.

          • laaarmer

            Which in turn means that faceoffs matter, which is what everybody knows already.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            As I said, I agree, faceoffs matter. But unfortunately there are some who don’t believe it to be THAT important to the game.

          • raditzzzz

            larms, have you been reading about the problem of induction in david hume’s seminal “an enquiry concerning human understanding of hockey?”

          • laaarmer

            No.

          • raditzzzz

            lol, attempted wit fail. nevertheless, i will still enjoy your philosophical interpretation of statistics in sport with repercussion on induction, empiricism and the sunrise problem.

          • laaarmer

            What are the odds of no sunrise tomorrow?
            I may check out Caesars just to see.

          • Bullitt315

            In Chicago? Pretty damn good.

          • laaarmer

            Pretty good = 90%
            Pretty Damn good = 98%
            Pretty fucking good = 100%

          • raditzzzz

            http://www.bayesian-inference.com/sunriseproblem

            we can, with rigorous calculation, say approximately 100%.

          • laaarmer

            Yeah.

          • birdhead

            I giggled

          • Paul the Fossil

            Well sure, and I was focused on the one that’s relevant to deciding the lineup for a game (series, season, whatever). The question raised here was about a Shaw/Saad/Kane line for an entire game.

            The micro question becomes relevant in the moment, when the paramount issue is the winning of a specific draw. When a ten or twenty percent greater chance of winning that draw is a major consideration. That’s when coaches do things like send out their best faceoff center for that draw or call a timeout so that center can catch his breath, etc. That happens maybe a couple of times in a close NHL game.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Yep. Wasn’t calling attn to a misplaced argument on your part, just that the two things, faceoff percentage and faceoff importance, don’t really belong together in the same argument, that they’re vastly different things.

          • lizmcneill

            Kaner 42.2% in 2011-2 when he played center most. 14.3% in 2010-11. Getting scared to look farther back….

    • Bannerman

      2 options
      Saad-Toews-Kane has all the puck digging and net presence plus speed and general awesomeathockeyness. Second option Sharp-Shaw-Kane with Sharp taking all the faceoffs in the D zone and most in the offensive zone too.

  • Mosy9

    kings canucks last night?! holy shit

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

    My concern with the the outdoors games is not the novelty wearing off, but it drives up NHL revenues to a crazy high this year and really screws with either the Cap or Floor in the next few years without the Stadium series (if that is what happens, or it simply does not draw like this year) or it puts the Cap out of reach for all but very few teams, which may outmarket too many teams and cause a negative effect in several franchises.
    .
    Will these happen? I have no clue, but I really hope it is nothing but a cash cow for the NHL and the teams and only helps all concerned.

    • lizmcneill

      Yeah, specially given we need to sign the wonder boys in the next year – doing it with the expectation of a rising cap could lead to badness and sadness if it stays flatish.

    • Paul the Fossil

      $20 million net from the Winter Classic would seem to raise the cap by (if the funds were applied to no other purpose) only about $667,000 per team. If we assume that the March 1st games net altogether maybe a bit more than that amount (which seems actually generous to me but the league is optimistic) then we’re talking a total impact on each team’s salary cap of at most $2 million. That’s not nothing but doesn’t seem like an enormous distortion from what the cap is at now.

  • cliffkoroll

    Thumbs up on the Suntimes link… it’s a long season.

    • SuperHawk27

      Its a long season without including the Olympics…It’s even longer for the top teams…I like what Kruger said at the end. The Hawks have another level to go to, its just not worth it to play there for every game.

      • lizmcneill

        Frogger’s a good kid. Wish we had a (larger) version of him so Bollig could take a seat sometimes.

        • SuperHawk27

          Morin wouldn’t be a bad idea,…no?

          • lizmcneill

            Would be worth a try – why not put him in on nights Brookbank is in and he can be the facepuncher.

  • ballyb11

    Joe / Ken, thanks for putting this together every day. Nice to have easy access to hockey stories in the morning. BTW, where are you guys on the weekends. ;)

  • Crash

    I actually really want to go to a draft at the UC someday. I’m a complete hockey nerd and I think it would be fun. I am genuinely sad about it not happening yet again.

    I will now try to get a life.

  • MySpoonIsTooBig

    If the draft were held around, say, now (give or take ~ a month), holding it in a place like Sunrise, FL, would make perfect sense. But who in their right fucking mind wants to spend several days in the wasteland swamp that is southern Florida at the end of June? That’s just terrible planning. It would be really cool for the draft to be in Chicago, but if not the UC it should at minimum be held at a place and time where you can step foot outside of the arena for 5 minutes without serious risk of heat stroke

  • laaarmer

    “The game of the week” should be an outdoor game in Toronto. Every team gets one game.

    EDIT: WOW was not finished yet

    • Bullitt315

      A retractable dome on a Hockey arena intrigues me.

      • laaarmer

        The game should not have to be against the Leafs, rather every team plays a neutral site game during the season.
        Is SKYDOME big enough for a TOR MTL game?

  • laaarmer

    Interesting list of Prospects. 1st USHL kid is 16th

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=699869&navid=nhl:topheads

    • laaarmer

      #21 in the goalies. Kid lives down the street. I’m wishing him the best.

      http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=699869&navid=nhl:topheads

      • Paul the Fossil

        Nagelvoort! Well of course he does.
        I have a fair amount of New Amsterdam ancestry in my family tree, and whenever I pass through Holland the surnames/street names/etc crack me up. Say a bunch of ‘em fast and you can’t help sounding either drunk or like the Swedish-chef muppet.

        • laaarmer

          VanRaalte
          Dykstra
          Dykema
          VanAllsburg
          Vanderploeg
          ETC

          • 1benmenno

            Auf der Maur

          • Country_Bumpkin

            Didn’t she play bass guitar for Hole?

          • 1benmenno

            Yes

          • Country_Bumpkin

            I really like that band. When Courtney Love wasn’t being a drug-addict and hoor, she wasn’t half bad.

          • 1benmenno

            Yeah they were good.

  • 334Rules

    So, if they can make decent ice outdoors in Los Angeles, why does the ice at the UC have to suck ass?

    • Bullitt315

      I blame the Bulls.

    • laaarmer

      How do you know it’s decent?

      • SuperHawk27

        Two of my favorite sports!

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    These Power Rankings don’t even budge the needle on my ‘GiveaFuckometer.’ They’re a joke. Cups are not won in January, or even in April. Let Scum Jr have their day.

    If the Hawks want to be rated number 1, they should start playing better hockey.

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      I struggle to comprehend why people tend to get so worked up about power rankings. Sure it can be fun to compare and contrast teams at different points in the season and debate about who is currently the best in the league, but anybody with an IQ greater than that of a jar of mayonnaise knows that said power rankings are about as important and meaningful as a porno mag is to a blind man.

      My theory is that American sports fans are conditioned to accept such rankings as meaningful due to the popularity of sports such as NCAA football and basketball, where polls and rankings actually carry weight and are at least as important (if not more so) as actual win-loss records. I base this theory on absolutely nothing other than common sense and gut feeling.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

      I am almost out of Fucks to give. I have WAY too many the past few days, so I am not giving a Fuck about these Power Rankings right now.

      • Country_Bumpkin

        The Hawks’ most important game is the next game. Can’t play them all at once.

    • jordyhawk

      The purpose of the Power Rankings is to generate site traffic.

      • Country_Bumpkin

        All the pageviews!

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

    I may be lost, I don’t think I am, but who does what?
    Is it StanBo or McD
    Which Builds the Team to be able to win the Stanley Cup?
    Which runs and sells the team to the consumers?

    • laaarmer

      Doesn’t Stan work for McD, technically?

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        He does indeed. McD is the president & CEO of the organization, Stan is the GM and vice president

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

        Yes, but then again I work for my Captain, but it is still MY JOB to make sure my Sonar Division is run properly, if not I get fired by my Captain and he gets somebody else to do it instead. Because I am accountable to him to make sure I am doing it correctly, it does not mean it is also his job to do mine for me.

        • laaarmer

          But you are directly accountable to him and he to his.
          Stan is doing his job, so probably not much interference, unless Q were to scratch Kane for a home game.
          Is Stan the GM of the Blackhawks as a company? Or is he in charge of the hockey team?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            I am accountable, but just because he is a Captain (or the CEO) and a boss, does not mean they can step down successfully into their subordinates shoes either. I am the Chief of four divisions, I could not run 3 at the technical level required because I do not know enough of those jobs. I can from a management/administrative aspect (and do) but not a technical aspect. I bet the same goes for McD.

          • laaarmer

            I’ll bet it does too, but when Stan makes the inevitable mistake, he undoubtedly hears about it from McD first (maybe 2nd after Q)

            Heres a question though. Organizationally, is Stan equal to Blunk or is he considered at a higher level?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

            That is accountability, I hear it from my DH and CO when I am in not 110% correct. As for your second part, IDK.

          • laaarmer

            IDK either and IRDC (I really don’t care)

          • laaarmer

            I will, however leave this old article link for you to read.

            http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/04/22/Franchises/Blackhawks.aspx

  • Paul the Fossil

    This analysis puts the Hawks in the middle of the pack as far as difficulty of remaining schedule (although it strikes me that the differences don’t seem all that large).

    http://nhlnumbers.com/2014/1/13/score-adjusted-fenwick-and-remaining-strength-of-schedule

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews still makes funny faces!

    Saw this comment on PD in regards to the Canuck bafoon from last night in LAK, just wanted to share it!

    “So it’s hilarious when Sestito pulls this stunt, but when Shawn Thornton does it he is the worst human being in the history of hockey…? The only difference is that Orpik got hurt and Nolan did not.”

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