Illadelph Halflife – Flyers vs Hawks Preview, Pregame Thread, Neurologist Appointment

PF Flyers vs oldschool

Game Time: 7:00PM
TV/Radio: NBCSN, TSN2, WGN-AM 720
Still Haven’t Sent Us Cheesesteaks: Broad Street Hockey

A lot can change in three and a half years’ time. And there might not be two more wildly divergent teams in that period of the NHL with regard to both asset management and results on the ice than those that competed in the 2010 Stanley Cup Final. And tonight, the Hawks will welcome the Philadelphia Flyers back to United Center ice for just the second time since a 7-4 dong whipping in Game 5 of that series.

It’d be almost too ridiculous to believe if it weren’t witnessed by the masses in real time, but the Philadelphia Flyers have gone from perennial Eastern Conference contender to punchline in near record time. Most of it falls at the feet of the braintrust of impatient owner Ed Snider, and his butt puppet GM Paul Holmgren, who has made too many hilarious personnel choices in the last year to even begin listing here. Some of it can also fall to the coaching, both from the deposed Peter Laviolette, who might be a bloviating gasbag but is a solid hockey mind, as well as their new bench boss, neanderthal Craig Berube, who’s fared only modestly better than his predecessor in a garbage Metropolitan Division. And of course, some of it boils down to unfortunate luck, as sure-fire hall of famer Chris Pronger lingers in ostensible retirement after a debilitating eye injury and concussion that he’s never recovered from.

But there’s also some blame to be shifted to the players on the ice. Captain and alleged Greatest Hockey Player On Earth Claude Giroux has seen his production drop precipitously from 1.13 points per game in 11-12, to 1.0 per game in the lockout shortened year, and now to .667 this season with 5G and 15A in 30 games. And he’s still currently the Flyers’ leading scorer. Most recent ill-advised offseason purchase, the gorgeous Vinny Lecavalier leads the team with 9 goals and hasn’t played in two weeks. One time one-man wrecking crew Scott Hartnell has basically been non existent with 6 goals and 6 assists. The lone modest bright spot in this group with little to no cohesion has been the two-way development of Sean Coutourier, the lone regular of the group with a plus rating in his 19 minutes a night in all situations, to go along with his 15 points.

Things aren’t much better on the Flyers blue line, where Kimmo Timmonen and Brayden Coburn are still picking at the scabs of the burns from 2010, and now aren’t sheltered by Pronger playing ahead of them. Mark Streit was brought in and overpaid for reasons no one can really quite discern while still remaining goalless on the power play. Luke Schenn, hilariously acquired for JVR, and who this blog once thought might be a viable option in Hjalmarsson’s role during some of his more adventurous times with the puck, is basically a big, pie faced tub of goo not doing anything for anyone. Once again, the composition of this unit makes little sense and has very little balance, but at least the Flyers can be given credit for consistency in their approach.

And now to the crease, long the fist-sized boil on the ass of the Flyers’ championship aspirations. And apparently Paul Holmgren’s idea of stabilizing the position from the rocky performance of Ilya Bryzgalov was a combination of Calder Trophy flameout Steve Mason and the bionic hips of Ray M. Murray, who should get a proper and lively ovation tonight. Mason has actually been quite solid with a .923 save percentage and a 2.33 goals against, while Emery has been as average as one can expect from him at .908 and 2.57. Mason has received the bulk of the workload of late, including three straight starts, the last being on Monday. But don’t be surprised if Emery gets the call tonight.

As for our Men of Four Feathers, it’s another quick turnaround after last night’s beat down of the Dallas Stars. With no morning skate today, it’s unclear if Antti Raanta will get the call again in net or if Greasy Thug Kent Simpson will make his NHL debut tonight against a non-conference opponent. The three way #6 defenseman platoon of Rozsival, Brookbank, and now Kostka is also open to speculation, but it wouldn’t be surprising to see Kostka go again after two points in his return last night.

The Flyers have been in town for two days now awaiting the Hawks, who have not fared as well in back-to-backs this season as the have in years past. They’re also likely to come out with their asses ablaze in the first simply because they’re the Flyers, with an aggressive forecheck that the Hawks will have to weather. But patience in execution against what’s by and large a disorganized group should lead to another two points. Let’s go Hawks.

  • Hi, I’m Bob LeDonne

    Hi, I’m Steve Mason.

    • laaarmer

      laaarmer here

  • CR64

    Checked the Philly blog a bit ago. I smell a faint trace of fear. I love that this team has that capability.

  • Paul the Fossil

    I see that Seabrook gets some more whipping in today’s TCI…I think Laaarmer has turned me on that topic. Well him plus something which I thought the triumvirate shared, namely a strong conviction in favor of data over the eye test.

    Cause I totally get the eye-test problem regarding #7. He seems slower now than a couple years ago, and I see the brain-cramp passes, and I see him displaying a fraction as much energy in the Hawks’ end as in the offensive zone…totally get it. I’ve been right there about him this season.

    But the problem is that _every_ available piece of systematic evidence says that the eye test is lying. Both traditional stats and fancystats, and basically every variety of either, are reporting that Seabrook this season has been just about as effective out there as Keith. (And that both of them are among the league’s best D-men this season.) Also that he’s been better than any other Hawk defenseman, even Hammer whose play I love to watch these days.

    That’s not what it looks like to me either, not at all. So, tilt…but there it is. If just the regular stats said this or just the advanced stats said it then that would be one thing, but they are unanimous.

    (None of which will get Seabs onto the Canadian Olympic team of course since the eye test rules that sort of selection process, but if I was picking the team he’d have to be there.)

    • VerStig

      I think the knock on both the traditional- and fancy-stats though, is that they don’t really measure Seabs’s performance separately from Keith, who has been, by all accounts stellar (shinpad tendencies notwithstanding).

      Is there some number out there that would isolate Biscuit so that we can calibrate our eye tests properly?

      • steeg of their own

        Presumably the WOWY numbers would do just that. I haven’t looked them up, but that seems to be what you’re asking for.

        • lizmcneill

          The problem is the small amount of time Seabs spends without Duncs.

        • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure

          They would, but the sample size of his play at even strength away from Keith would be so small that no conclusions can be truly drawn from the numbers.

        • VerStig

          wowie.. mind blown

          I don’t know if I’m reading this upside down but I don’t see any other D men on this.. is that what Matt’s talking about?
          http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayerwowycharts.php?pid=285&season=2013-14&sit=5v5

          • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure

            The raw numbers are here.

            http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=285&withagainst=true&season=2013-14&sit=5v5

            505 of his 545 (92.7%) even strength minutes have been played alongside Keith.

          • laaarmer

            chicken egg – egg chicken.

          • VerStig

            So which one is the chicken and which one is the egg?

          • laaarmer

            Keith is older. right?

          • Z-man19

            So Keith laid an egg that became Seabs?

          • laaarmer

            It’s possible

          • Toews still makes funny faces!

            According to your chart they play much better together defensively than separated (both #2 and #7, both GA/20 go up when seperated) but offensively when seperated they are on the ice for more GF than together.

          • laaarmer

            You don’t say.

          • VerStig

            The only stat I can think of is giveaways, but that’s more of a transition thing than a measure of actual D. And even there, Hjammer leads our D corps with 35, to Keith’s 25 and Seabs’s 26.

          • Toews still makes funny faces!

            IMHFO the eye test is still a valid thing in Hockey, stats still do not capture enough (Shot Quality for instance). But in the end, on paper whatever Seabs is doing, does not appear to be a detriment to the team, it may not be totally helpful, but it does not look like it is fucking them either.

          • laaarmer

            He is helpful on every shift. He makes mistakes, just like the rest of them as they play NHL teams/players. To say that he is not a detriment, but not totally helpful is way way off base.

            He’s a good NHL defenseman. Not 1st tier, but among the top at the next level. Top 20 in the league based on numbers and the dreaded eye test.

          • Toews still makes funny faces!

            It MAY not be totally helpful, meaning the numbers do not support one way or another if it is helpful or not, simply they do support he is not royally fucking the team.

          • laaarmer

            Not totally fucking the team? Are you insane?
            Seabrook is not totally fucking the team…… Neither is Kane with his 17 goals (7 on the PP) and +4. He’s is not a detriment, but he is not totally helpful.

    • laaarmer

      He’s a good defenseman.

      Is he top 12 in the league? Doubtful. If he was american would he make the US team? Would he make the Sweden, Russian, zeck, slovolokia?

      Disqus

      • steeg of their own

        Anything but Canadian and I don’t think it’s a discussion, he’s on.

      • zacked

        Hell, if he weren’t right-handed he’d probably be on the Canadian team.

        • laaarmer

          His parents screwed him royally.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Canada is not a monarchy.

          • Toews still makes funny faces!

            Well for some reason or another they are still part of that Royal Dominion (now known as the Commonwealth realm) whose head is QEII, so there is that.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Canadians are too polite to rebel.

          • MattC86

            There is a governor general and the head of state is the Queen! I’d damned well say it is a monarchy!

          • 10thMountainFire

            I know. My joke went horribly wrong. I was hoping to just have Laaarmer react angrily, which is usually fish in a barrel.

          • laaarmer

            FUCK YOU!

          • MattC86

            Mission accomplished!

          • Toews still makes funny faces!

            Here is Monarch of Canada’s Royal Standard (Actual title name) for QEII

        • Korab22

          Good call. Found this article on the subject.
          http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=678900

    • 10thMountainFire

      I am also a Seabs-lover.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      My totally objective eye test of seeing him in person last night with the express purpose of figuring out how bad he was came up with the conclusion that the Seabs bashers are full of crap. At least against the Stars in any case…

  • Mosy9

    I like the Chicago Blackhawks. . .a lot

  • birdhead

    I’m reading the BSH morning links thread in lieu of any work today and in one comment …

    Bob Mckenzie (might have been Dreger actually) estimated last night that both Kane and Toews will be looking for nearly double their current cap hit.

    um please let this have been Dreger, not McKenzie, and also, preferably, a hallucination????

    • steeg of their own

      Cap’s probably rising to $71M next year, and who knows where it goes after that. Kane and Toews probably won’t double their current hit but they will get significant raises (because no GM in their right mind is going to pay either of them on par with Ovie or Sid, but right now our two superstars are cheap). So probs more Dreger than McKenzie, or if it was McK it was him spouting off DDN’s agent’s number, not the one that the bargaining process will actually arrive at.

      Relax, Stanbow’s got this.

      • birdhead

        DOUBLING THEIR CURRENT CAPHIT WOULD BE NEARLY $13m EACH!!!!!!!

        • steeg of their own

          AND THEY’D PROBABLY WANT THE HAWKS TO THROW IN SEASON TICKETS TO THE BOLSHOI OR SOMETHING WHAT SHALL WE DO?!!!!!!

          • Z-man19

            HEY, QUIET DOWN, IF YOU’RE GOING TO FIGHT, GO DOWNSTAIRS

          • birdhead

            RUN IN CIRCLES SCREAM AND SHOUT!

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I”M TYPING AS LOUD AS I CAN!!!

      • laaarmer

        Bargain is it?

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      Yeah that’s not going to happen. I would be mildly surprised to hear that kind of idiocy from Dreger, I refuse to believe that McKenzie would say something so patently absurd. Realistically they’ll come in somewhere around the $8.5M – $9M range, still a significant (and deserved) raise on their current $6.3M cap hits but nowhere near double

      • Z-man19

        8.8 mil sounds about right

        • steeg of their own

          I’m actually not sure they go that high. Neither of them has Crosby/Ovie numbers, and both those guys have cap hits around 8M. I wouldn’t be shocked to see our guys go for 8 this time around, but I’d be surprised to see them much above that.

          • Z-man19

            depends on how bad the want to stay. I think either could get close to 9 mil if they hit FA market. With the cap going up like it is, somebody would create the space to make room.

          • lizmcneill

            Let’s admit it, Stan will create the space if that’s what it takes to keep them.

          • Z-man19

            We’ll find out in about 8 months but I’m thinking you are correct

          • lizmcneill

            This is what I think will most likely happen: 8-year deals with the same cap hit, we all scream because it seems too much, someone non-Brookbank is traded to much weeping, by the time the new contracts kick in some other GM will have signed some deal that makes them look like a bargain.

          • birdhead

            You can’t compare cap hits to two guys who signed under the old CBA though. Malkin’s new deal, which kicks in next year, has him on $9.5m. Crosby’s making double-digit millions this year and for the next five years. If you cut his contract to the 8-year max, his cap-hit would be $10.8m.

          • steeg of their own

            True, but again neither of our boys approach Crosby or Malkin’s numbers. Discussions could get interesting if Kaner keeps up his current rate of scoring and gets himself into the Hart conversation, or if either of them has a stupidly outstanding Olympics and comes away with an MVP or something, though.

          • lizmcneill

            It’s a shame the current contracts don’t finish a year earlier. They’d both have been signed to 8×8 or so as soon as the confetti was swept up.

          • VerStig

            Yeah… salaries will probably inflate along with the cap… the highest-paid players will probably always make a similar amount of money relative to the cap at the time they’re signed.

          • lizmcneill

            Perry/Getzlaf cost about 13% of the cap each at the time of signing. That would put DDN at 9.2 each with a 71m cap.

          • birdhead

            Don’t look now, but Patrick Kane’s currently outscoring Malkin and I think Toews was MVP for the last Olympics, wasn’t he?

            OK, but sure, Kane and Toews aren’t as good/don’t have the cachet of Malkin and Crosby. But if you look at the Duck Boys, who both signed under the new CBA before there was a sense of exactly how high the cap was going to get, they’re on $8.25 (Getzlaf) and $8.62m (Perry). And I would argue that Kane and Toews are bigger stars and possibly better players than Getzlaf and Perry, along with being a year or so younger when they sign their deals. With the sense of how high the cap’s going to go … I think the Getzlaf/Perry deals are the starting place.

          • Toews still makes funny faces!

            No, but Crosby and Malkin Can’t claim each with 2 SC and each with a Conn Smythe though!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Kane on the international stage just as he’s starting to really, really blossom as a top 5 scorer in the league? Yes, please.

        • Toews still makes funny faces!

          9 MILDO at 5 years, with the potential rate of CAP increase could be a steal.

          • laaarmer

            9.1

          • Z-man19

            why go five? max the years if you can

          • steeg of their own

            Yeah, whatever deal they sign next will be for the longest possible term that the Hawks can negotiate.

          • Toews still makes funny faces!

            Yes Max Years, I was trying to recall what it was and was guessing 5 years.

          • Z-man19

            7, off the top of my head

          • birdhead

            7 for free agents, 8 for re-signing your own players

          • laaarmer

            8.1

          • Z-man19

            do I hear 7.1?

          • laaarmer

            8.2

          • Z-man19

            9.0210

          • birdhead

            If it’s 5 years it’ll be a double-digit cap hit imo

          • 334Rules

            Exactly. The cap will be going up quite a bit with that Rogers deal in Canada, the increase in gimmicky (but fun) outdoor games, and with natural revenue growth. I think we’ll be able to afford to reward DDN when the time comes.

      • birdhead

        that’s what I was thinking. And they specifically mention Getzlaf/Perry!

        (… please tell me Brandon Saad isn’t our Bobby Ryan …)

        • lizmcneill

          I don’t think Saad will be eligible for arbitration coming off his ELC. And I know we always think of the Hjammer offersheet, but that happens infrequently, even when there are RFAs getting snarky in the press and sitting out of training camp because they aren’t signed.

          I think Stan starts working on Saad as soon as DDN are signed, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was signed to a cap-friendly bridge deal by this time next year.

        • lizmcneill

          And Ryan’s 26. He’s been making about 1m less than DDN for the same time as they’ve been making 6.3M. The age gap between DDN and Saad may save us. Tallon had a method to his madness when he drafted Beach and Olsen after all!
          (Also, Ryan’s a sniper and Saad’s going to be a 2-way beast which is considerably more bang for the buck – Bergeron, Bergeron!!)

        • 10thMountainFire

          Brandon Saad is our Gaad.

      • Jim A

        It was McKenzie and he just said it again on NBCSN. Toews, Kane and Stamkos.

    • lizmcneill

      And the other commenter saying that their interview sounded like they wanted/expected to get PAID. Maybe I’m blindly optimistic, but they sounded more like they expected to stay, for the team to be a contender, and the money will get sorted out at some point (just don’t let me get less than him!)

      • steeg of their own

        They seem content with their situation, not in a huge hurry to move, and they have good rapport with the teammates that have also signed longterm. No doubt they’ll want money, but it’s not a ‘pay me or ELSE’ situation like some out there seem to be (cough*Kessel or Phaneuf*cough).

        • zacked

          Lots of guys seem content until it’s time to get paid.

          • lizmcneill

            I don’t imagine they’re poring over capgeek setting figures at this stage. (I also can’t imagine what a payrise of 3M will do for them when they are already making 6M, but I can see that there’s an ego-boost/peer comparison component in there). Last season Kessel was making comments to the press about “all players looking forward to UFA so you can choose your team”, and yet he signed for 64M with his own team. DDN’s quotes where they blithely assume they’ll continue to play (and win) together here seem much less calculated. Plus there’s the inertia factor – do you take 70M right now to stay with the Cup contending team, in the org that you’ve spent your whole career in and has treated you pretty well so far, or do you strike out into the unknown for 78M next year?

          • Z-man19

            70 mil Fro the Hawks is 8.75 per assuming 8 years. 78 mil from somewhere else is over 11 mil per. I’m beginning to think it won’t really be that hard for Stan to get done

          • lizmcneill

            yeah, the extra year is a good thing for us. (I’m surprised no one has tried the following yet: sign a UFA to a 1-year deal. They are now in the final year of their contract and can negotiate an 8-year deal with their current team (the one they just signed with). Or does the negotiation year only apply to multi-year deals?

      • birdhead

        I thought that too, but seeing it from an outsider’s perspective has me nervous.

        • Z-man19

          maybe you do need more sleep

          • birdhead

            I got a letter in the mail today telling me about MORE! ROADWORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blood is going to be shed.

        • lizmcneill

          I think it was Kaner’s crack about earning a few hundred thousand more/less than Toews. (and even in the thread someone said “8.2, 8.3″)

          • OMFS88

            I’ll live in the margin

      • jordyhawk

        Maybe Rocky could Just give them a piece of the liquor business on the side.

        • Toews still makes funny faces!

          110% certain that is not allowed!

          • VerStig

            Sounds like typical accounting practice… except replacing “tax” with “cap hit”

        • MattC86

          I refuse to believe that the Wirtz family, known for their strict standards of honesty and forthrightness in accounting (COUGH COUGH $20M in losses in 2013 COUGH COUGH) would consider such a sly move.

          • lizmcneill

            The CBA bans such shenanigans. I imagine that there will be some COMPLETELY UNRELATED smalltalk re endorsements and embarrassing car ads that would continue to be available to them in Chicago.

          • MattC86

            I know, I know. I’m not actually suggesting that Toews and Kane will get salary supplements from liquor sales. It’s more just a swipe at the Wirtzes.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I am compelled to believe that some of the Ambassadors have gotten in their ear to say, ‘Do not give up what you have here. Don’t do it. You’ll regret it forever if you leave.’

        See: Roenick, Jeremy. So bitter he can hardly talk. But talk he does.

        See: Hull, Bobby.

        • lizmcneill

          I thought $Bill traded JR for a bag of pucks instead of paying him, or am I thinking of someone else?

          • 10thMountainFire

            He was traded. But he has stated repeatedly he never wanted to leave. I figured he might say something to Kane and Toews.

          • laaarmer

            He’s a fucking dickhead, with a huge cranium

          • 10thMountainFire

            Bigger every year.

          • lizmcneill

            I’m not overly worried about them wanting to leave, tbh. I’m more worried about who gets traded to make space for their market-value cap hits. (PLEASE TAKE A REASONABLE HOME DISCOUNT TO KEEP THIS A CONTENDING TEAM, DDN!)

          • steeg of their own

            Calm down. Hawks have actually spaced out their cap demands pretty handily over the coming few years. Yes, Toews and Kane do their deals in the same year, and yes it will take some space, but they get new deals at a time when the cap is rising sharply and expected to continue to do so. Like I said, Stanbow’s got this. He’s done fine with the cap so far, and there is no indication that he will do anything but continue to keep the Hawks just under the ceiling but with enough wiggle room that we can function. I think he probably CAN (and likely will) get Kane and Toews to take hometown discounts on what will likely be identical deals, but I don’t think he needs to. The Hawks are (for once) pretty okay as far as cap goes in the next three-ish years, it seems.

          • lizmcneill

            Saad, Leddy and Frogger also go RFA that season, though. If DDN are coming at 17M-20M the set, it doesn’t leave a lot of space.

            Agree that the Hawks will be scraping the cap ceiling similar to this year for the next couple of years at least.

    • Toews still makes funny faces!

      One thing to keep in mind this time around that was not true in 2009-10, is they have now both won the SC 2 times, have a Selke, 2 Conn Smythes, plus whatever else they do this year on their resume, while still being only 26 years old.

  • Toews still makes funny faces!

    I did not think I would have had the chance to post it before the game, so I posted it earlier, here it is again.

    • Toews still makes funny faces!

      Better Team Stats pics

  • steeg of their own

    Ah, the Flyers. The sweet, sweet stench of smoked garbage in the air. We beat Dallas last game by four goals, and Dallas beat the Flyers the game before that by four goals, so by the transitive property we should have this thing well in hand. Let’s hope the Hawks decide to play at least two decent periods of hockey, and let’s hope Kaner decides to show Giroux what actually being a scoring phenom in the NHL means.

    • justforkicks

      4+ points!!

    • 10thMountainFire

      Philadelphia has the largest percentage of bad people per capita in the US.

      • MattC86

        Backed up by statistics. I like it.

      • 2883

        Fact.

        • MattC86

          Doctor confirmed. /Mic drop

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        I live in philly. That stereotype obly applies to upper level sports fans.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Every person I have ever met from Philadelphia has been a raging, violent, angry stereotype.

          • Z-man19

            You picked the wrong corners there?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Quite possible I inspired a backlash from the competition, yes.

          • laaarmer

            with a bad accent

        • jordyhawk

          Like say…Mathew Clemmens?

    • jordyhawk

      Schultz and Saleski are goofs.

    • M7

      Ditka would like a word with your “transitive property”. I smell a 68-1 victory with 6 hats in there for Toews.

      • https://twitter.com/robondacob CitizenKaner

        Still no shutout for Raanta I see :(

        • MattC86

          You know he’s required by law to give up two goals in every appearance.

          • jordyhawk

            And drop his stick a lot too.

          • MattC86

            Nobody drops their stick like Corey does. He lets go of that thing like it’s gonna burn a hole in his hand if he hangs on.

          • jordyhawk

            I though Raanta actually tried to pass his stick between hands last night. That must be one of those advanced skills they only teach in Europe.

          • lizmcneill

            They need little straps like the ones they put on kids to stop them taking off.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            they need surfboard leashes for they way Raanta was swimming last night.

      • lizmcneill

        They are giving out winter hats at the UC tonight…..

        • M7

          The other day I was telling my friend about Toews’ hat trick on hard-hat night (conversation precipitated by an auction item at the Flames v Coyotes game we were at). The auction was for a Crosby-signed game sheet where he got a hat trick on a baseball hat giveaway. He thought it was funny that all 15,000 freebee’s made there way back to the ice at which point I said, “… that’s nothing.”

          • lizmcneill

            That was the best. Toews doesn’t like being robbed of his hattie! Remember when Shaw was credited with the goal Toews tipped in with his ass, and then Toews got two more? I had this conviction he’d do it.

  • Toews still makes funny faces!

    Here is what I will say about the Hawks D-men. Whenever the top 5 are on the ice, I am not really concerned they will do something dub or will be stupidly out of position on a frequent occurrence (it will happen time to time to any). If all we have to bitch about is the nuances within that realm and who #6 should be, that is a GOOD problem to have!

    • https://twitter.com/robondacob CitizenKaner

      I can’t think of any teams that have a better defensive corps than us. We have a well-balanced defensive lineup, from top to bottom. Sure we complain about Seabrook’s dumb mistakes sometimes or the occasional Keith shin-splitter shot, but we still maintain a very consistent group of top-level defensemen every game

      • Shooter

        Someone said it earlier, but we definitely have a lot of first world hockey problems at the moment. Minus our #1 and #2 goalies get a case of the exploding crotches.

        • lizmcneill

          Our #2 goalie is just fine, his crotch is young and flexible.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I don’t like where this discussion is headed.

          • Z-man19

            I concur

          • 2883

            Call for a vote.

  • Michael Scott

    Fun fact: I started watching hockey during the 09-10 season, I think around the playoffs. I didn’t know shit about the sport, didn’t even know they were in the playoffs, so I was never much of a bandwagoner. But there was this chick I was WAY into, and she was a huge hockey fan, so I started watching, and being native to northern Illinois, of course I chose the Blackhawks.
    And she was a Flyers fan.
    You can probably imagine the result.

    • MattC86

      Hate sex? Either that or she physically beat you up.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Thanksgivings included hot rolls tossed at you filled with batteries?

        • MattC86

          She cheered when you slipped down the back steps and hurt your neck?

          • 10thMountainFire

            After slashing your tires and busting your windows?

          • MattC86

            Stabbed you outside of Pat’s or Geno’s?

            /Christ, these are all things Philly fans have actually done

          • 10thMountainFire

            Tells you to ‘go back to Montreal’ but breaks your car so you can’t?

          • rhodes

            She vomitted on your 11-year-old cousin?

          • 10thMountainFire

            My personal favorite:

            Booing Jonathan Toews’ PSA calling for support of cancer cure research.

            ‘Yay, cancer.’

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            She tased you when you went into the living room on Christmas morning because you weren’t supposed to be down there yet?

          • 10thMountainFire

            She put arsenic in your cheese steak.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            She built an actual court and jail with a judge in your basement because she knew the family fights were going to be often and criminal?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Veterans Stadium reference.

          • MattC86

            Ding ding ding we have a winner

          • rhodes

            Oh, sorry. That was a New Jersey fan at a Phillies game. But something inspired him!

          • MattC86

            All the worst Philly fans are from fucking Jersey.

  • BestPredsForward

    The trio of Tortorella (’04), Laviolette (’06), and Boudreau (’07) show that while Q isn’t the genius everyone else thinks he is,

    • Shooter

      I’d agree except that Q has had talent coming out the ears since coming to chicago…I’d say the aforementioned coaches aren’t as bad as they looked(well maybe torts) a lot of it is personnel, back office, etc. And Q isn’t as good as he looks for the opposite reasons..but I could just be blowing smoke.

      • BestPredsForward

        Would it be fair to say he’s the Chris Osgood of coaches, or does that simplify things too much?

        • Shooter

          You’d have to ask others, but I’d say that’s a fairly fair assessment. Babcock working Q over in the playoffs highlighted some of that I think. Plus his penchant over the past few years to dress a meatbag on skates over a potential prospect who could actually improve.

          • VerStig

            I’m actually much less concerned about the Bollig situation (although Scott was pretty glaring) than about his whole D man as forward thing.

          • BestPredsForward

            Actually his weirdness with that is a relatively good track record:

            1. It worked ridiculously well with Byfuglien which led Q to believe “Hey, I’m a genius since it worked so well with him, it must work well with someone who is even “tougher” like…

            2. …John Scott! What can possibly go wrong there!” Apparent a lot, you goober.

            3. And he is probably thinking the same thing with Brookbank as he thinks in his “genius mind” he could be better than Morin. Clearly he is not, but at least Brookbank is way better than John Scott.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Jordan Hendry.

          • MattC86

            Yeah this isn’t new. I wonder if any Blues fans (obligatory vomit) can get away from their sister-wives long enough to tell us if, say, Bryce Salvador ever dressed as a forward to satisfy Q’s whims circa 2001.

          • 10thMountainFire

            How long before Leddy is a winger?

          • lizmcneill

            Isn’t the point of converting a dman to winger that you get a power forward? Convert Leddy and you get a smaller, less whiny Stals.

            I don’t think Thor on wing would be terrible and it would be preferable to Brookbank.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Mumbly Stals?

          • lizmcneill

            Bollig is a large improvement over Scott.

            1) Bollig can skate at something approximating an NHL level
            2) Bollig can make the occasional offensive contribution
            3) Bollig actually fulfills his ostensible punching-bag role because the opposing enforcer isn’t afraid to drop them as he’s not exactly a nuclear weapon

            Scott was a 2-for-1 in that he was both a meatbag on skates and a dman playing at forward.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Q getting outcouched by Babcock last year is a common refrain, but Q won 4 games to Babcock’s 3. That’s a simplistic way of seeing things, I understand, but it’s just as simplistic to think that Q’s the only coach who has talent on his bench. 8 to 10 teams in any given playoff season are extremely good, and no one would blink an eye if any of them turn out as Cup winners. Q coaches talent, but he coaches that talent against others who have the same.

            (This is just a little pet peeve of mine … and I say that as a fan who’s not among the Q-can-do-no-wrong club; he makes mistakes, sometimes big ones, but I really think it’s an error to argue that anyone could have coached this bunch to a Cup.)

          • Shooter

            I agree 100%, I apologize for making it seem otherwise. I think he did a great job getting us to the cup. But as you mentioned, he was being torched by babcock for awhile, and the team righted itself in time to win out. I think that speaks more for the team than it does for the coach. Just saying he’s a good coach, but not a great one, at least in my eyes, per my previous comment, and VerStig’s below concerning dressing D’s as forwards. There was no Q hate intended in my comments.

        • chichicagochi

          I think people don’t give Q enough credit for building a good locker room atmosphere and doing a good job of planning for an entire season/postseason.

    • MattC86

      Methinks you mean Randy “Corsi?” Carlyle. Boudreau is not a bad coach at all. Neither is Lavy, and frankly neither is Tortorella.

      • BestPredsForward

        Oh yeah.The only time I paid attention in ’06-’07 was during my Winter break when Havlat was killing it and they went on a long point streak and they signed Peter Bondra. (My hockey senses were stuck in 2002 when Bondra was not an old Russian fart.

  • 2883

    First off, Welcome back XMF. Second off. I saw you said for me to mix you a drink, so I have, it’s a blended whiskey, Black Bush with Jameson 12. Blended Irish Whiskey..

    • 10thMountainFire

      I like it. I want it.

      • MattC86

        I’ve got Woodford Reserve Double Oaked. Come to the dark side. . . .

        • 10thMountainFire

          This is all too tempting. I’m so loyal I would feel like I have betrayed someone important.

          • MattC86

            Loyal to? In fairness, I like whiskey but don’t know it particularly well. What brain cells I have devoted to booze maintain the wine and cocktail knowledge, so try as I might I can’t learn anything about fine whiskey on its own.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yeah, I retain about as much detail about it as I do about basketball. But the difference is, whiskey is entertaining.

          • 2883

            Well, I’ve mixed the religions Bushmills and Jameson

          • MattC86

            I’ll have none of your Mohammedan whiskey.

          • 10thMountainFire

            DUDE.

          • 2883

            indeed.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That’s evil. Pure evil. You shouldn’t be allowed to do that.

          • 2883

            It’s love, pure love.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Sure, if you worship Satan.

          • 2883

            I don’t believe in Satan, so it’s hard to worship something I don’t believe exists. It has a very whiskeyish taste this new blend.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You need to be stopped. You’re out of control. You could end up sparking a war.

          • 2883

            The only wars that will result is my stomach lining versus the whiskey, hint: It will look bleak for my stomach lining until it calls on the support of pepto bismol and thus will eventually win the war, even if it’s a Pyrrhic victory.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You will not speak of Pyrrhic victories whilst our boys face the demonic, money-printing machine of anger and violence this night.

          • 2883

            I hope htey crush the faces of the Flyers. Literally… FACES CRUSHED

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’d rather that Hossa just crushes their souls.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Hossa is not a soul crusher. He frees souls from believing they were good enough at hockey to compete with him. No more debilitating delusions…

          • lizmcneill

            Bolly eats souls.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I think Saad may be a soul crusher in waiting.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            That’s Faustian

          • 2883

            It’s booze. and I haven’t actually done this, I just have both on my mantel now (one was a gift).

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Ok, John Francis Dooley

  • Preacher

    Have the guys SERIOUSLY not sent the cheesesteaks to our TOS? Maybe we should send over a couple of our commenters here to, you know, “collect” the bet.

    • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure

      They seriously haven’t. Sam organized sending you flying monkeys over there to harass them in the fall of 2010 and Travis was none too pleased, and he was running the show for SBN NHL by then, so we didn’t want to risk pissing off a de facto boss too much.

      It seems to be a far less sensitive subject now, and I don’t think I’m out of line in speaking for the other two when I say that a second successful run well into June more than made up for never receiving freeze dried cheesesteaks (I mean cheese whiz? Really?) that aren’t as good as a beef from any stand around town here anyway.

      • MattC86

        Fucking right. That whiz shit is heinous and they get all huffy when you loudly insist that their heathen hands better not put any cheese-like substance besides provolone (probably made by Marco Scandella’s family outside of Toms Fucking River, New Jersey) on those rat shavings they have the balls to call steak. Give me Portillos until they learn to make a real steak sandwich.

        • Shooter

          Hmmm Portillos…one of my first stops every time I make it back to the homeland.

        • chichicagochi

          Pork + Provolone is the real Philly winner.

          • MattC86

            This is true – Taylor Gourmet has an awesome roast pork hoagie with good (non-Jersey) provolone. One of my go-to’s in DC.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Congratulations, friends.

    The 2012-2013 Chicago Blackhawks have been named by the Hockey News as one of the top 25 teams of all time.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/greatest-nhl-teams-of-all-time-why-the-13-hawks-cracked-thns-top-25-list/

    • 10thMountainFire
      • MattC86

        Rose Kane on the Titanic. Amazing.

      • lizmcneill

        Who are the dudes in the corner who aren’t Gretzsky? (MOAR DYNASTY COMPARISONS)

        • MattC86

          Blackhawks Legend Bobby Orr and some “Flower” guy who isn’t Marc Andre Fleury.

          • lizmcneill

            I thought it was Orr but he looks so young I wasn’t sure.

          • MattC86

            Yep. Just in case my joke wasn’t clear, Guy Lafleur is the other.

            /Double-checks one more time to make sure it’s not Jean Beliveau

        • Preacher

          It looks like Bobby Orr and Guy Lafleur.

      • Marian Brossa

        Here’s my problem: I was looking into getting a copy of that cover to frame alongside my SI cover from last year (“The Franchise that brought hockey back”) but they’re different sizes and will look silly side by side in my bar.

        Alright, I suppose that’s not the worst problem to have.

        • 10thMountainFire

          You have to do it now.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          A proper matte can fix that

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Now that’s pretty neat-o.

    • steeg of their own

      I actually don’t disagree with most of their list. (Surprising, because I usually disagree with about 75% of what thn says.) Question: how much do you think that the book ‘The Game’ (and the intelligent, close-up look at the Habs dynasty years) influences lists like this? I know that I’m subconsciously more inclined to rank the Habs dynasty highly having read about it from a first-hand perspective, so I’m curious how much weight other people think that hockey literature gets in these kind of lists. How much of this history is literally written by the victors?

      • 10thMountainFire

        All of it since most of history’s losers are dead?

        • MattC86

          Only since post-WWII. To quote one George Smith Patton, Jr. “God, I hate the 20th century.”

          • 10thMountainFire

            That may be why he left it so quickly…

  • MachineSlayer42

    BTW, the Limuel Stinson reference took me a couple of days but I finally got it. Michael Baden would be proud. Wonder if he’s still alive?

  • DuHawk

    Hello friends.

    • 2883

      Hello Du Hawk

    • Z-man19

      Du

      • DuHawk

        Z.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Du.

          • DuHawk

            XMF.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            D.

  • CR64

    Why is Kostka scratched tonight?? Throbbing brains, Rock Paper Scissors, Communism??

    • VerStig

      Trying to keep his goal streak going, and maybe Q just wasn’t feeling it today

  • https://twitter.com/robondacob CitizenKaner

    tune in to nbcsn right now to listen to a turd spout nonsense about the hawks

    • birdhead

      Bob McKenzie?

      • https://twitter.com/robondacob CitizenKaner

        worse. milbury

        • lizmcneill

          what’s he saying?

          • https://twitter.com/robondacob CitizenKaner

            generic statements about kane (“he’s improving”) and stupid advice for the flyers (“go after their [the hawks] defensemen”)

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            To be fair, they were pretty much supining themselves for a Kaner golden shower.

          • MattC86

            If he’s “improving” that’s really bad news for the rest of the NHL, and the goalies around the league with sore rear ends after games against Humpty Hump.

  • birdhead