Idiot Wind

I’m hesitant to do yet another post about the neanderthal way of thinking about hockey, because I feel that it would just add to the cacophony of idiocy we’ve already heard. And yet we can’t let it go away without addressing. I guess.

Here’s why people want some sort of “justice.” Because it was a name player. It was the Hawks’ best player. It was the Hawks’ most important player. It leaves a fan feeling raw. Why? Because no one else’s most important player went down like that last night. Or recently. Sidney Crosby takes hits all the time, he’s still playing. The Hawks had just lost Patrick Kane to a freak accident, basically. It feels unfair. You want to “set the world right” in some way after something that feels unfair.

But of course that’s not possible. We wouldn’t be having this talk if it was Marcus Kruger or Ben Smith who went down after a clean check. That wouldn’t titanically shift the outlook of the season. So don’t confuse the popularity or importance of the player for gravity of the hit. It’s the same either way, and it was clean.

And nothing in the game angers me more than when a player has to answer for a clean hit. That’s his fucking job. That’s what Brooks Orpik does. And after his last clean hit he was assaulted by Shawn Thornton of the Bruins. Didn’t exactly deter him from doing it again, did it? Because he didn’t go outside the rules to do so.

While I don’t want to get into hockey victim-blaming, Toews does need to do a better job of knowing who’s on the ice and keeping his head up. It’s not like Orpik can approach you that quickly. Toews plays a physical game. He’s not Kane who looks for space to make plays. Toews does his work down low, along the boards, grinding away and winning battles. The shock is that he hasn’t gotten clocked like this more often.

And what would challenging Orpik after the fact do? Pop Toews’s shoulder back in? Please. The Hawks responded the exact right way which was by finally turning their game on and basically hammering the Penguins for the 3rd period. The only reason they didn’t tie the game and probably win it was some wonky marksmanship and some big saves. They used the incident as a time to come together to play hockey. That’s a much more apt response.

I suppose, in some distant way, that if Orpik thought there was some slobbering monster who could actually skate that he might have to deal with for hitting Toews he would think about it twice before the game. But when the clock is actually ticking are we really supposed to believe all those calculations go on in the .3 seconds that a hit takes place?

Adding to this furor is that the old crowd is rebelling against watching the game they knew fade away, because we know better. We know fighting doesn’t protect anyone. We know fighting after a clean check is ridiculous, and they hate to see the game go this way. It’s ok, they’ll be dead before long enough.

They look back on a game where Gretzky or Savard never got hit. You know why? Because everyone’s skating back then sucked when compared to today. The monoliths on the back end couldn’t get to them. Even though Orpik is hardly a speedster out there, he’s a fuck of a lot better skater than whoever was on the second pairing in 1986 on any team. You can’t escape players as easily today. This is just the way the game is now.

We all like a feeling of justice. It applies to more than hockey. When your cleanup hitter gets hit you want their cleanup hitter to get hit, even though it doesn’t actually do anything. It feels like everything is being put back in balance. When you get mugged you want that guy to get the shit kicked out of him, even though you’ve canceled you credit cards and already lost the cash. It feels like balance. But it isn’t.

See the noise for what it is. I’m not sure it’ll be around much longer, and we’ll all be better off.

  • laaarmer

    The hit should have been a penalty. Hawks should have had PP. They weren’t going to score on it, anyway. They played good hockey against the mighty Penguins without Toews and Kane.

    I hope Toews is OK in a few.

    • Andrew Heitman

      I agree it was a penalty. I was more annoyed by people tripping over themselves to call it a clean play than by those who were begging for some fisticuffs. I agree with the above about the neanderthal element dying and how its a good thing and how the Hawks responded appropriately- but I dont think going out of your way to defend Orpik is how you frame the issue.

      I dont think he intended to injure, but he left his feet and made head contact.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Heh … funny. I think he did intend to hurt Toews–just, maybe not to injure him outright and make him miss time. But every hit like this is pretty much designed to make a player never want to go into x territory again without hesitance–because it’s going to hurt. I also thought it was well within the rules and not a penalty.

        • cliffkoroll

          As my sophomore football coach was fond of saying
          : “Son, you need to learn to distinguish between pain and injury.” Inflicting pain accomplishes the objectives you identify, trying to injure is poor sportsmanship IMO.

          #exceedinglyfinelines?

          • laaarmer

            What a sophomoric thing to say

          • cliffkoroll

            I always pronounce sophomore with THREE syllables.

            Whoa, Nelly!

            #keithjackson

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            You were coached by a sophomore? In Texas, football coaches are a serious business all the way down to peewee.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            100%

          • raditzzzz

            i think there is a difference between the 90% of checks that are thrown in play actually used to “separate” a guy from the puck and those who are just looking to blow a guy up. just look at the checks bollig throws every game. most of the time, the puck has already been passed, and hes just looking to hurt the other player as much as possible. even if it is a legal, non jumping, non elbow, clean hit, there is no way you can’t see what is going through his head: make this hit hurt as much as possible. that is intent to injure, but that is also part of making checks available in the sport.

            from a personal perspective, i wish it were enforceable to make checks where you are engaged in the play, trying to establish some form of defense/puck possession vs trying to level a guy because his “head isn’t on a swivel” without any regard to involving yourself in the play of the puck legal/illegal. i mean, what really is the point of trying to destroy a guy with a huge open ice hit? but that would be a tall order for officiating and i just don’t know if its possible. whatyagonnado.

          • VerStig

            Yeah… trying to judge whether a guy was trying to make a play on the puck is pretty darn subjective when you start to think about it.

    • DDS

      I agree it should have been a PP. The bigger issue for me is that teams for far too long have been making physical play the #1 strategy for beating the Hawks. Teams know the can be rough and check them to death and they usually end up getting shoved around and out of their game, or get burned when they retaliate. Plenty of examples thinking back to big series over the past few years. I’m just surprised they haven’t got a “real” enforcer type. Not saying to retaliate necessarily, but at least discourage teams from making that the easiest approach to beating them.

      • lizmcneill

        What’s a “real enforcer type”? Remember the last guy Orpik took out? His teammates included Chara, Iginla, Lucic, Boychuk, McQuaid, Campbell and Thornton, all of whom fight and whose skill ranges from Bollig to elite. Still didn’t stop Oprik from concussing Loui Eriksson, and Thornton beating his head into the ice didn’t discourage him either.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          On the other hand, noted blue-light-special-head-shotest Matt Cooke no longer delivers headshots because he can’t afford it. Remind me again which way works, now?

          • lizmcneill

            Either his wife or Lemieux/Shero got sick of donating to the Players’ Emergency Aid Fund, and Cooke reformed from a headhunting POs to just a normally dirty POS.

            Oh, and the guy whose career he essentially ended with a cheapshot? Was he also on the Big Bad Bruins with their PFs and enforcers? Why yes he was.

          • laaarmer

            Savard shouldn’t have put his head where he put it. It’s Savard’s fault.

      • laaarmer

        It is a strategy for playing the Hawks, but 2 cups in 4 years says they are not successful in doing that.

        • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

          If we play our game of breaking out with numbers in transition instead of trying to hit home runs every trip to the plate or looking for the highlight real slam dunk instead of the dirty yardage inside.

          Sorry, couldn’t think of a soccer cliche.

  • nextgame

    Come on Sam, it’s all about retribution!

    “They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That’s the Chicago way!”
    (Want to see the boys put this plan into effect immediately!)

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    Agreed on all counts.

  • ballyb11

    “It was clean”

    It was dirty.

  • VerStig

    I think we need a free body diagram of the hit

  • Korab22

    I worry sometimes how many more hits to the head our Captain can sustain. The one last night was every bit as scary as the Boychuk hit last year.

  • thepuckstopshere

    Lets get back at em, on the SCOREBOARD!
    CupQuest 2014, get well soon Captain!

  • YoAdrienne

    Thank you for addressing the “justice” thing, and I pretty much agree with all of it. People forget what happened back in the WCF last year, when Duncan Keith retaliated. The Hawks lost him for a game. They already have enough guys out with injuries. They don’t need another one sitting for one or more games, “clean” hit or not. Personally, I’m not completely convinced that Orpik’s hit was clean, but I do believe that what goes around comes around. Let some other team take the suspension that would likely come from it.

    • DJ

      There’s two ways that karma can take out Orpik. One is the old fashioned way, where he finally has to fight one of his own battles. The more modern way is the way Toews did it at Soldier Field — by exposing Orpik as a lead-assed defensive liability. The latter at least has the prospect of improving the game; Pittsburgh would have to replace him with someone faster and more skilled in the current game.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Instead, he got to go shit all over Team USA in the Olympics. I don’t think the message is getting through…

        • DJ

          Well, look who the US had as their coach; the one nitwit who thinks it’s a good idea to not only suit him up and play him, but also to play him on that big international ice surface.

          As I said back then, the only way Burke, Poille, and Bylsma should be in Korea in four years’ time is if they buy tickets and sit with the spectators.

  • BestPredsForward

    https://twitter.com/Judd_Sirott/status/450439277076553729

    By winning the Stanley Cup against the Penguins with Toews scoring a Hat Trick in all *5 Cup games

    *(assuming our Game 3 curse still holds)

    • Bullitt315

      The Penguins aren’t getting that far.

      • lizmcneill

        If they avoid the Flyers and the inevitable shitshow, the Bruins will take them out. The Rags probably could, too.

  • cdz3210

    “And after his last clean hit he was assaulted by Shawn Thornton of the Bruins.” Orpik’s hit on Eriksson was anything but clean.

    • M7

      Yeah… I vaugely recall that Ericksson never even touched the puck on that hit.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        What I can’t figure out is what is less-bloodlusty about wanting to keep this hit in the game as opposed to having two guys who know they are going to fight square-off…

        http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1956231/826268438.gif

        • laaarmer

          How stupid is Orpik?
          He goes for that puck, he gets a chance to score.

          Thornton should still be pounding his head.

          Fucking asswipe

        • TheFullAmonte

          Same thing with the “aiming up” right there.

        • lizmcneill

          Yeah, it’s late as hell, if it’s not outright interference, and it looks like he launches. Loui has his head turned until it’s too late as well. It’s time for another rule change.

    • Waylon

      no shit, I have no idea what gave anyone that idea. Way out of line.

  • VerStig

    If the injury is a dislocated shoulder, how long would Toews be out for, anyway? I have to imagine even if it were bad enough for him to miss playoff time, if we did well enough to advance, he’d heal up enough to rejoin at some point…

    • cdz3210

      Back in 2010 Campbell missed 5 weeks with a broken collarbone along with a busted rib. If the shoulder is dislocated and there aren’t any breaks, it’s usually a 3-4 weeks.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I have a shoulder impingement going back to first week in May, 2012. To this day, it remains pretty bad many days. Shoulder injuries, especially in the gym, can be devastating. If it’s his shoulder, I prefer to sit him out and let him heal up for next season.

        • Waylon

          not to get too off – topic, but I had the same thing after getting too eager on my bench press back in the day. But many years of rehab exercises in the gym have helped immensely – ever heard of face pulls? Saved my shoulders, big time.

          • 10thMountainFire

            No… but I do shoulder raises instead of presses now… and with great, great care.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Can you describe them for me?

          • Waylon

            Charles Poloquin is a well – known strength coach (the Hawks have used his trainers previously). Face pulls are where you stand about 10 feet away facing a weight stack, rope attached to the pully. The attachment should be a little above eye level, using a weight you feel comfortable with pulling the rope where your hands finish at the back of your neck. You use a pronated grip on both ends of the rope, slowly pulling your hands backward until the crux of the rope attachment is almost touching your nose. Or you could just go to his site and look it up, there are some good demos on YouTube as well, I think.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I did chest/back today so that’s going to have to wait until Friday but I’m really intrigued by that.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            You guys talking about waxing, and on a hockey blog???

          • Waylon

            more like waning.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Don’t judge me.

          • Waylon

            quality is for shit but you get the idea – they’re doing it a little
            differently than what I intially understood the movement as.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ump40tRo318

        • Waylon

          but I still can’t get my shoulders back far enough to properly hold the bar on my back for squats. Sucks.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I do front-squats, air squats, and high rep/low weight to compensate. Shoulder injuries suck. If that’s what Captain has, I hope he gets well very soon.

        • cliffkoroll

          STOP IT RIGHT THERE!

          This sounds eerily like “the Hawks are rushing Bolland back” during the 2011 playoffs. I’m sorry, but your bum shoulder is scant evidence in this case.

          Let’s let the people who know the facts make the call.

          Also, the faintest whiff of throwing in the towel here. Don’t go ledge on me, xmf.

          • 10thMountainFire

            No, no, no, no, no. No towel. In fact, I think the Hawks are about to pull an ’05 Sox on the NHL.

          • cliffkoroll

            I have no idea what you’re talking about. All of my October 2005 neurons have been erased.

            #apologiestocarpetbaggers

      • lizmcneill

        Might be a separated shoulder. Grade 1 is 2-3 weeks, 2 is 6, anything worse than that I think they would have known it was season-ending right away.

  • BestPredsForward

    Another argument that needs to be put to rest is the idea that “the players can police themselves”. That might have been true back in the day, but “Back In the Day” was before expansion, and therefore there were less players to be policed, so there was less of a need for stricter enforcement from any “official authority”. About a month ago on the NHL Network, they showed Game 6 of the 1980 Stanley Cup Final between the Flyers and Islanders. The first period action was so heated that, NATURALLY, it reached a boiling point where there was a fight between a Flyer whose name I didn’t catch, and Bob Nystrom. Nystrom, of course, was a player with actual talent and as we all know eventually scored the OT GWG.

    Very few of the fights today happen as naturally and organically as the ones from “back in the day” and none of today’s enforcers are as talented as Bob Nystrom or Bobby Clarke. In fact, would any of them have even been on a Colorado Rockies or Cleveland Barons roster?

    • DJ

      Nystrom and Clarke were not the enforcers of their teams. Clarke was an instigator, a shit-stirrer. Unlike, say Orpik, Clarke would fight if challenged.

      • Paul the Fossil

        Clarke totaled 42 fighting majors in his 15-year NHL career. And given his reputation for slashing and hacking (he averaged nearly 100 non-fighting PIM per season) I’m guessing that he got challenged a lot more often than 3 times per season. He was after all one of the most widely-hated opponents of his era, probably got challenged more than 3 times in some games…it doesn’t look like Clarke actually “answered the bell” very often.

        Bob Nystrom on the other hand had 140 fighting majors in 13 NHL seasons, including season totals as high as 18 (twice). For him the bell did actually toll.

        • ChicagoNativeSon

          So, for Clarke it was more of a farewell to arms.

          • VerStig

            groan

        • Jim A

          Dave Schultz said the entire team was to respond to any situation involving Clarke. If someone challenged the star and Captain, someone would jump in, and back then a guy could come off the bench to fight without punishment for leaving the bench.

          • Paul the Fossil

            Oh yea I forgot about that part. The Flyers were definitely pioneers in that regard: go after Clarke after he’d tried to break your ankle and they’d pour over the boards like a horde of orcs.

    • Waylon

      Clarke was a great player who also happened to be a major asshole when it came to dealing out dirty hits ad nauseum. What he did to the Russians in the Olympics was ridiculous, even worse than anything you saw in the movie “Slapshot.”

      • cliffkoroll

        We take the shortest route to the puck and arrive in ill humor. – Bobby Clarke

        • Waylon

          I remember seeing the Flyers back in the 70′s in the old Stadium, and while it was clear they had a lot of talent, I have no patience for those who say that their style of play was good for hockey. I think the joke of “I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out” started with that team and that era.

  • Paul the Fossil
    • ChicagoNativeSon

      Dumb and Dumber

  • roadhog

    At the end of the day, there are no more deterrents for borderline physical play. Retaliation, and self policing simply doesn’t work and is bad for the game. On ice refs are missing or botching the call on a significant number of infractions. The Department of Shenanigans is just that- and inconsistent at best. I thought the hit displayed a clear intent to injure. The hit itself was not illegal beyond that. Anyone crying Orpik’s feet left the ice are ignoring the timing (after the hit) and the fact that I can’t think of a single call against a player for leaving their feet in at least the past two years. Captain left himself open to the hit, Orpik took advantage (overly so IMO.) Our team doesn’t hit to win, it skates to win. While other team’s players are flying around finishing their checks on Hawks, we’re finishing our pass receptions and moving up ice. It’s what we are, and how we play. I hate what happened, especially because it is Toews, but it’s the risk you face when your team is built like ours is. The Hawks response of simply dominating the third and trying to get the win made me proud- we looked like a team full of Toews without him on the ice. I like the high road. F Orpik and the Pens.

    • laaarmer

      He jumped. His feet left the ice. He jumped. I don’t know what the hell you guys that say he didn’t jump are watching

      I’m sue the intention of the rule is not that you can’t jump before, but that you cannot jump at all.

      • roadhog

        I get ya, and I see it all the time, and it is NEVER called, before or after.

        • VerStig

          Unfortunately that’s the reality. As someone pointed out it’s the Kronwallian loophole that exploits the aesthetics of the hit to mask the fact that, in accordance with bhh’s physics lesson, conservation of momentum suggests there was a definite jump.

          • roadhog

            I’ve given up on the “leaving his feet” part because it is never called. I think it’s harder for the on ice refs to watch for the feet when they are clearly focused on players targeting the head these days.

          • VerStig

            I hear ya. We even call out our own guys for leaving their feet on hits that don’t get called for penalties. Just the reality of a fast-paced game with human refs where we don’t stop the game to use instant replay on every call/non-call.

          • roadhog

            Plus with the single stride allowed previous to the hit, at least one of the checking players feet is likely to be off the ice.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I couldn’t agree more. Clearly left his feet.

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    But What do the last 2 months of the season mean?

    http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/3/31/5558250/end-of-the-season

    • VerStig

      Yup. The concept of a “streak” is backward looking. You don’t know it’s a losing streak until after it happens. So we just assume that there’s “momentum” that carries through, especially because the players get frustrated and you see it in their body language.

      Given the shot totals and our overall performance (minus some bad pinches/plays), I wouldn’t read too much into our current losing streak.

  • jordyhawk

    I did not see the hit, so I have no way of knowing if it applies in this case (hopefully not) but I have always felt that Jonny needs to protect himself better. His relentless pursuit puts him in far too many vulnerable positions. That is my one criticism of him.

    • VerStig

      Sadly, it does apply in this case.

      • jordyhawk

        I had to look at it once you said that. He’s along the boards, on his backhand so he has to turn more to play the puck, and his head’s down. Yep.

  • laaarmer

    You have to have control of your stick, right? Inadvertent high sticking is still a penalty. Want to stop this shit? Any contact to the head, intended or not, if the hit was to the shoulder first, is a penalty, every time. minor, major, etc.

    So, in the Orpik case, its a minor. Toews was “ducking”/low with his head down so he got hurt. In Kronwalls case, it’s a major on Havlat. In Mitchells case on Toews, could go either way.

    We teach and were taught to not skate with our head down and never duck a hit because you can get hurt. We also teach to not hand/arm check for two reasons. one, it’s not effective. Two, you will hit someone in the head accidentally

    • Paul the Fossil

      I’m totally with you here and actually predict that at some point that will become the rule. Though that point seems to be pretty far off yet at least for the NHL. Have any other leagues, i.e. amateur hockey governing bodies or European leagues, yet taken that approach to contact with the head?

      And regarding the high-sticking change I’m trying to remember the specifics of how/when it came about…was the NHL the first league to switch the burden of responsibility on stick contact with the head or had other levels of hockey already done it? How long was it discussed/debated before the rule was changed?

      • laaarmer

        Yes,
        USA hockey has.
        Michigan High School hockey has as well.

        What is brutal though is that the referees start calling more roughs than head contact.

        • Paul the Fossil

          I’m reading that NCAA hockey actually had such a rule on the books since 2003, though it wasn’t getting called much and in 2010 they toughened it. Per the NCAA’s own website, now “Any time a player makes direct contact with the head or neck of an opponent it is a major penalty and game misconduct at a minimum. The responsibility lies with the player making the hit to avoid contact with the head and neck area of an opposing player.”

  • VerStig

    Somebody posted this on SCH. Wow.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkBmruDCQAEPCRA.png

    • cliffkoroll

      Dog bites man.

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        I thought his nickname was Crow?
        Canine, bird, whatever.

  • laaarmer

    Holy shit.
    They are talking about the fucking Rockford brothers on Blackhawks . com
    Looks like we gonna see them soon, eh?

    • jordyhawk

      Actually remind me of the Larmers, athough I think these guys are probably both Jeffs.

  • neo1978

    You young’uns need to get your history right. People need to actually read the NHL rulebook and compare that to how the game is actually called. Actual “old guys” rail against the erosion of the rules in how the game gets called. It is you young guys that started watching hockey in the 80′s and on up that are the problem.

    • laaarmer

      It’s still a penalty

      • neo1978

        Not for the last 30 plus years it hasn’t been…

        • laaarmer

          It is supposed to be a penalty

          • roadhog

            You are correct it is a penalty. It is never called (which is what Neo is saying, and I said previously.) I watched the replays again and there is a jump involved as Orpik loads to make the hit- so in my book, intent to injure and leaving the feet.

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

          Current Rule 42.1

          Charging – A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner.

          Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards , into the goal
          frame or in open ice.
          .
          end Rule 42.1
          .
          Note the rule specifically delineates Jumping from charging with the word “or”, meaning they are not mutually inclusive and EITHER happening will satisfy the rule. What a “charge” is, is spelled out specifically while skating into and jumping are not, meaning they are self evident on term alone.
          .
          Fuckstick “jumped” into Toews, it is at a minimum a Minor Penalty.

          • VerStig

            I actually agree with you, but the devil’s advocate in me says you could make an argument on the basis that “as a distance traveled” is a necessary condition for charging.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            For a Charge yes, however jumping alone is covered under this rule as well.

          • VerStig

            This is so confusing. They should just have a separate penalty. “#44 2 minutes for jumping”

          • neo1978

            I comment on how the NHL hasn’t called the game to the rulebook in at least the last 30+ years. And you respond by quoting me the rulebook?

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          I agree, and I don’t think what Orpik did, as violent as the result was, can be construed as “jumping into.” He moves upward, extends upward with his own upper body and arm, during his check. This style of check happens a dozen times every game. Toews was the unfortunate recipient of awkward angles and poor awareness of the situation.

          Not a lot different, generally speaking, than when Willie Mitchell hit him, or when Campbell hit Umberger. I didn’t see this as a Bad-Kronwall kind of hit.

          But there are two sides to this, and they’re not going to meet.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    Sorry Sam, it was not a clean hit in 21st Century Post-Lost Season NHL Hockey determined to limit Concussions.
    .
    If it is okay in a ANY manner for a player to hit high AND LEAP into the hit and explode on contact, why even try to pretend the league is trying to protect the players.
    .
    I have no issues with hits, good hits. This was not one of those. It was a intentional high hit on a player. I do not care if it was Toews or Kruger, or Fuck even Seabrook or Bollig, it was dirty and NOT needed. It is a fucking bullshit ass excuse to justify something with “that is just what he does (or how he plays)”. If that is how they do thing or play, it needs to be unfucked because that type of play is fucked.
    .
    A player should be aware he may get hit, but if we can justify they ALSO need to be aware they may get hit high and hard, we are not removing ANY merit to actually hit high by moving blame. Toews looked ready to take a good body hit, not a rising leaping high exploding it, NOR should he or Kruger or any NHL player have to. The shit Orpik did was dangerous, it WILL eventually hurt players and that type of hit needs to be stopped. As long as excuses are made to justify what Orpik did, Orpik will keep on doing it and turtle up if confronted about it.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Left his feet. That was my impression as well. In real time as we discussed it, you, BHH, and myself seemed to be the only ones who thought so, however. Are we missing something?

      • Waylon

        no, I believe you both are correct, after looking at the hit a few times. It’s a lot like the dirty cheap ass hit that Torres laid on Seabs in the playoffs, only to top himself on his criminal hit on Hossa less than a year later.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Yeah, it’s definitely not as dangerous as Torres’ hit on Hossa but the acts themselves were similar. Disregarding that the puck was on Mayers’ stick and away from Hossa (interference), both hits were remarkably similar in that they were aimed upward, launching off the ice.

        • HawksInFour

          The hits by Torres were ok. He’s just doing his job. That’s what teams pay him to do, right Sam?

      • TheFullAmonte

        Someone else mentioned this in an earlier thread about vectors, but to me its pretty clear Orpik is aiming up. When you are aiming up you can often hide behind the fact that you caught a piece of their shoulder before you make head contact as you jump off the ice. If you run someone straight through you won’t have both feet come off the ice like that while still moving forward.

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

          Meh, feet coming off the ice as a result of making CONTACT is A-Okay, it happens. Leaving your feet due to leaping either before or after contact is made is VERY VERY different and what happened here.

          • TheFullAmonte

            I agree. I didn’t explain it that well but the big difference is feet coming off the ice as a result of loss if balance after a hit and both feet coming off the ice as you continue to move forward through a hit.

        • 10thMountainFire

          That makes sense. I just watched it again after reading your post and both angles seem to substantiate that.

      • Joe Banks

        That’s what I saw too – I am dumbfounded no one announcing the game made note of that fact.
        Is it possible to be dumbfounded but not surprised?

        • 10thMountainFire

          I’m constantly dumbfounded and unsurprised.

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

          It was on NBCS, so…………..

    • cliffkoroll

      “…or Fuck even Seabrook or Bollig”

      Henceforth, Seabrook is now Rodney Dangerfield.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        Pardon my total Hipster ignorance, but the WTF are you talking about! lol

        • Waylon

          Rodney Dangerfield’s bit was always about “I got no respect, I’m tellin’ ya!”

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            Ah, now I follow. The Seabs toss-in was for the ToS are their affinity of displeasure for him and Bollig for me.

    • Joe Banks

      I love you, man….

    • nextgame

      It won’t eventually hurt players, it already has.
      That’s why I agree it has to stop. But neither the league or the players seem to be serious about seeing that happen.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        I was referring to the type of hit in general at that point. It will not hurt somebody every time, but in time it will, that was the point.

  • Shooter

    I’m not a fan of the fighting afterwards, but I’d like to see more of an edge from the players…if someone runs your goalie incidental or not, you just let it happen and say “we’ll get them back by playing harder”? I do believe there needs to be a certain amount of grit to your game after that, I counted at least 3 or 4 times when shaw could’ve lighted crosby up, cleanly, and passed on it. I completely understand wanting to retialiate via the scoreboard, but I would’ve like to have at least seen something in the way of physicality back. Hell bollig should’ve green lighted everyone that came near him, instead of pretending to play actual hockey. Oh well, I guess we’ll see how we respond on Thursday and on.

    • birdhead

      If he was passing on hitting Crosby to make a play with the puck I’m really, really glad and don’t EVER want to tell ANDREW SHAW to hit first. That’s already his instinct.

      • VerStig

        Anybody else think maybe something was uttered by the coaching staff to keep everyone in check?

        Also I did see Bollig and Saad both get hits on 44 afterward. Nothing terribly hard, but they did hit him when they got the chance.

        • roadhog

          Wasn’t it Shaw that took a shot at Orpik when Sharp got dinged in the left elbow?

          • lizmcneill

            Yes. Which might also have been the “cool it” call for him.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    I see DIsqus is at tis finest today

    • 10thMountainFire

      Shhhhhh. We don’t talk about Disqus.

  • ChicagoNativeSon

    Idiot schmidiot wind.
    I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see the Hawks close out the season on a points streak. (maybe 4-0-2?)
    TWTIW: The Will To Idiot Win. That’s what I’m talking about!

    • cliffkoroll

      CNS shedding his autistic stats-based existence is like the first robin of spring!

      TWTW baby! woot!

  • Bullitt315

    I predict in 20 years we’re not going to be talking about eliminating head hits from the game, we’re going to be talking about eliminating hitting from the game.
    The safety police are never satisfied.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      Now stop it right there,
      Getting hit in the head is going to happen and not all warrant action. That said, HOWEVER when you make a move or play (say jumping up into somebody) where one knowingly either targets or at least does a real good damn job of making a head hit VERY likely, well FUCK YOU. Sit for 5min at least if not more and think of what you have done while your team goes down 1-3 goals (hopefully)

      • Bullitt315

        I’ll bet you a buck.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Go with Bitcoin. It’s the future.

          • Bullitt315

            Heck no. A bit-coin might be worth something in 20 years. A dollar inflation adjusted will be like 80 cents (I know how to do the math, I did not do it here. 80 cents is an estimate)

          • 10thMountainFire

            But…

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            As the demand for dollars go up, more dollars are produced, devaluing the dollar. As the demand for bitcoins go up, each bitcoin just continues to grow more valuable. Go with the Bitcoin.

          • Bullitt315

            I might lose the bet…

          • 10thMountainFire

            But if you bet in dollars, you’ll lose less.

            /BHH’d

  • ToewsCheatCode

    Great post. The desire and demand for retribution after clean hits is tiresome.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Polly want a cracker?

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        That is an insult to Parrots

        • 10thMountainFire

          Hey, was that wheezing Kaner/Toews ordering an immediate drink photoshop yours or CNS’s?

      • ToewsCheatCode
      • Preacher

        10th, ignore it and it will go away. Seriously. I have lots of children and if you don’t give the child attention every time he acts out, he’ll eventually quit the behavior.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I forgot how many kids you have. You are indeed in possession of the Kids Expert Badge.

          • Preacher

            I am indeed. And we’re clearly dealing with a young teen here. (And I have six little darlings, ages from 16 down to 1. So I’m like a parenting guru. Or, as I say, every day is a party at our house!)

          • 10thMountainFire

            PARTY AT PREACHER’S HOUSE!

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            So…we’re going to play…pin the tail…on the…Bible?

          • Z-man19

            Apparently you’re a sex guru as well or just extremely fertile

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            You don’t have to be good at sex to have a lot of kids. Just free with it.

          • Preacher

            Sex guru is right!!! You should see what I can do with my 3 inches!

  • Preacher

    Switch the jerseys and see if you still think it’s an illegal hit. I thought it was legal. Guys “bounce” up in the air on most hits. This one just happened to hurt someone.
    Second, I don’t want anyone to “run” someone else, but I wouldn’t have minded seeing some Hawks finish their checks on Orpik. You know, HITS!

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Damn, your science is too tight!

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      My original response was 100% snark. As I’ve stated previously, Newtonian physics just don’t allow “”bounce”-ing up”. There has to be a transfer of energy in the hit that send the body up OR the body goes up on its own volition. I hesitate to direct anyone towards viewing what the elasticity of a human body is since it generally involves an unconscious/inanimate/helpless human body hitting something immovable at an identifiable speed (say terminal velocity, no pun intended) because, no matter what Z says, I AM NOT A MONSTER. But if you do, the rebound will show that almost all energy is absorbed by the body, say 97%. Two bodies will halve that. If you go up from a collision with another body, one of the bodies was going up.

      Now, you can obviously leave your feet in a collision, but the center of your mass is going nowhere but sideways and down.

      • Z-man19

        I have NEVER said you were a monster. Odd, a little scary at times and possibly very perverted, but never a monster.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        What if, what if, well what if his feet bounced of the ice because skates bounce and rebound energy gooder?

      • cliffkoroll

        This isn’t working. We need a demonstration. BHH, go stand over there by the boards.

        • laaarmer

          What there were two swallows?

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Hypothetical bhh is waiting for your puny mortal hit…

          • cliffkoroll

            Not me. I got a sore shoulder from repetitive backpack putting on and taking off syndrome.

            Z-man, you ready?

            Pay attention now, Preach.

          • Z-man19

            I need bhh’s dimensions before I commit to anything, he might be HUGE hypothetically

          • cliffkoroll

            Come on! You’ve read his stuff. Pretty one-dimensional.

          • Z-man19

            Is HUGE less big in one dimension?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            the emptiness of space calling colors it doesn’t understand black

          • Z-man19

            I’m not even sure I understand that but I upboated anyway

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    I don’t have anything to add to the conversation, but I also don’t have any friends so I’m just going to agree with Sam here and rephrase something he’s already said so everyone will pay attention to me:

    The comparisons between today’s hockey and the hockey we grew up with is not appropriate because the skill and conditioning levels have changed.

    • Preacher

      LOL!!!

      • 10thMountainFire

        I know he was being sarcastic but I do agree.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Absolutely agree. The conditioning of players, the speed of the game, the skill level, and yes the ferocity of the impacts when players collide make it sometimes totally distinguishable from even the early 80s and my earliest memories.

      There seemed to be so much more room back then. Even with the smaller ice surface at Chicago Stadium, Savard seemed to have ample time and room with which to navigate entire teams. Now, blueliners like Duncan Keith can skate with the fastest forward. Sure Paul Coffey and Doug Wilson and Phil Housley were around but… outliers.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        And, man, the goalies back then…if they had the same training as today’s goalies, they’d still be awesome, but if you plucked Belfour out of 1993 and stuck him in here, he’d be spit out the back end of Rockford.

        • 10thMountainFire

          You’re being mean now. I told people we were friends.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Crap…I don’t even know when I’m trolling or being serious anymore…

          • 10thMountainFire

            They’re not mutually exclusive behaviors. All you need is the Code.

      • Paul the Fossil

        All true, and I’d add coaching. Not that there isn’t plenty of variation but the overall level of coaching that hockey players receive now from childhood on up through professional seems like a quantum leap from as recently as the 1980s.

        And as for conditioning of course that’s hugely different today in every sport, but it seems likely to have made a greater marginal difference in highly-aerobic sports like hockey. After all as recently as Savard’s generation a large fraction of NHL players were regular smokers! (Including between periods of the actual games.) Not to mention of course having nearly complete disinterest in things that are now considered basic practices like off-season weight training and so forth.

    • VerStig

      I’ve already gotten upset at you countless times for inciting the commentariat and adding nothing to the conversation. But I am going to keep responding to you because it makes you feel better about yourself.
      *LOUD NOISES*

      • 10thMountainFire

        I usually follow in his footsteps to clean up the poop but today I think I’ll just watch people step in it.

        • Preacher

          You should see my backyard now the snow is melting. Poop city!!! (I also have a couple dogs along with the 6 kids. And 11 chickens too.)

          • Bullitt315

            You building an arc too?

          • laaarmer

            Your kids poop in the Yahd?

    • laaarmer

      See my Flyers SCF game 6 post above.

      They are good players, but the game is totally different. I’m not sure Clarke could even play now.

    • red palace

      Thank you for clarifying. You really are a swell guy.

    • ballyb11

      Watched a lot of hockey in the mid ’60s. 50 / 50 if there was even a weight room in the old Stadium.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      I think you start all of your comments with that first clause.

  • Hawkeytalk

    So no word on his condition.

    I hate when “we’ll know more tomorrow” doesn’t extend to anyone outside the organization.

    • lizmcneill

      No practice, so no press access to Q.

      • laaarmer

        What about the waitress?

        • 10thMountainFire

          Heh.

      • Hawkeytalk

        I know. Sucks big time. I wanna know, dammit. I’m over how, by whom etc. Orpik will get an elbow to the face sometime, by someone; that’s good enough for me.

        • laaarmer

          Look what Thornton did to him. It doesn’t matter. Until he gets booted for a long stretch, like 25-30, hell keep doing it.

          BTW – his hit should not be a suspendable offense with the current rules, etc, but it WAS a penalty

        • lizmcneill

          He’s going to get signed by Toronto for $SILLYDOLLARS and this time next year he’ll be the new Clarkson.

  • laaarmer

    For those that think the Old Timers were flying around hitting. Blood and guts, eh?

    As you see, very little board hitting. and this is the fucking 1975 Flyers.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk8tph3Ylik

    • laaarmer

      Who here remembers this?

      • Z-man19

        You better start with who was alive for that and go from there

        • 10thMountainFire

          Not alive.

          • Z-man19

            Oh shut up

          • 10thMountainFire

            I still love you. Even in spite of your status as an elderly statesman here at TCI.

          • Z-man19

            I’m getting a yard gnome that has tracking and shoots BB’s, STAY OFF MY LAWN

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m not scared of gnomes. Ok, I’m scared of gnomes.

          • laaarmer

            Don’t talk to me.

            So, you don’t remember Gayle Sayers do you?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Retired a while before I was foisted unfortunately upon the world.

          • laaarmer

            Do you remember Reggie Theus?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Nope. Didn’t start watching the Bulls until maybe 1987.

          • laaarmer

            You had hair like Doug Collins didn’t you.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I wish I had hair like Oscar Gamble.

          • Z-man19

            Artis Gilmore

          • laaarmer

            The A train

          • Waylon

            John Mengelt. Tom Boerwinkle. Stormin’ Norman. Bob Love. Chet Walker.

      • cliffkoroll

        I remember- I was 10, basically the same as bhh’s mental age today.

        • 10thMountainFire

          *Emotional

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Whatever, old man. You’re just mad you don’t “get” Spongebob Squarepants.

          • cliffkoroll

            Like fuck I don’t. Favorite Spongebob line (and apposite to boot):

            If I had $1 for every brain you don’t have, I would have $1.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            But you’re broke. I know it, you know it, even vegetable lasagna knows it.

        • Z-man19

          10? I’ve always figured you were a fair bit older, seem a little too grumpy for your age

        • laaarmer

          I was 9 you dumb old son of a bitch

      • YoAdrienne

        I do. That was my freshman year in high school. (I am 2 days older than Gretzky.) My older sister was a Bobby Clarke fan girl. I went along with cheering for the Flyers only because the Hawks were out of it, and I didn’t care for Buffalo. I also remember the “fog” game, and the “bat in the arena” game fairly vividly.

        Shit, I am old.

      • Hawkeytalk

        I do but since it wasn’t the hawks, I couldn’t have cared less.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Dude, I want my free case of Tasty Cake. Was it a shutout?

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    Edzo calls out everyone:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blackhawks/post/_/id/4681315/olczyk-toews-injury-called-for-retaliation

    Dat Buyguffly guy would have done something

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Toews would have been fine if someone had done something.

      • cliffkoroll

        This is a job for Eddie No-check!

        • 10thMountainFire

          Manson or Peluso or Grimson would have…

          Shut up, Edzo.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Heh.

      • laaarmer

        A two hander to Orpiks bucket would have been OK by me, or maybe a kick or a bite.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Wow, Edzo is now the official spokesperson for meatballs everywhere. Edzo, you’re an idiot.

      “Back in 2010, the Blackhawks had a team that really could answer any call, and they had guys who wanted to and chose to do that — Ben Eager, Dustin Byfuglien, Andrew Ladd, Troy Brouwer. Guys that answered the call right away. There was no hesitation. I know the game has changed. I know they’ve won the Cup two different ways. To me, I was disappointed and surprised nothing had happened right away.”

      • 10thMountainFire

        Now*

      • lizmcneill

        Ben Eager can’t break the fucking Oilers roster. I wish the McD spin machine would go into action and tell him to quit hankering after the 2010 roster.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Bollig, Brookbank, Shaw, Bickell, Seabrook, Keith… all can fight and fight rather well, actually.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Oh yeah, Hypothetical Keith’s a brawler!

            Actual Keith, not so much.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            He can take down Burrows pretty well… until the inevitable hair pulling commences.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            It wasn’t the first time he had fought Burrows.

            Captain Martin LaNOpointe!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUXEvXP3mHk

          • 10thMountainFire

            Real Keith doesn’t fight much but he can hold his own when he does. I didn’t mean to imply that he’s Probert… just that when he does fight he stands in there well.

    • Waylon

      the ironic part of this whole shitshow from Eddie is that his nickname was predicated on his distinct preference NOT to engage in any kind of meaningful physical contact.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Well, Tony Amonte was known for being weak and incapable of playing through bruises and he went all mealy-mouth on God so…

    • red palace

      Troy was going full meatball on the broadcast

    • flahawkfan

      Fuck Eddie Olczyk. Like he ever stood up for anyone. Jesus.

  • VerStig

    Guys, I figured it out. Orpik leaves his feet because Toews isn’t a sphere. He’s an inclined plane.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      *playin’

    • laaarmer

      Yes, mechanical advantage. And vectors and shit.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Ed Olczyk, shut your face up.

    • Accipiter

      *shut up your face.

  • 10thMountainFire

    I made a mistake. I read the comments below the Olczyk article. Samples? Sure, I’ll give you samples.

    -Eddard Norton CA · Top Commenter · Works at Castle Age
    I would personally liked to see Crosby get cross checked in the throat.. or slashed really hard on the wrist or elbow.. best player for best player.. who cares about their goon orpik..

    -Craig Morine · Top Commenter · Works at Retired
    Totally agree. The Hawks are a bunch of players that don’t have your back. The Hawks are known to NOT retaliate. Something like this happens every season at least

    -Joe Urbanik · Top Commenter · Driver at Lakeshore Beverage
    Ever since Bolig signed his 3 year contract he thinks he is a goal scorer/contributer,in reality he is a 4th line grinder/enforcer he shouldof ddone something the next shift,its embarrassing that Hossa had to go and give Orpik some griefonce.

    -Craig Morine · Top Commenter · Works at Retired
    All these posters that say………….. “shame shame Mr Olpik, you shouldn’t be doing that so please don’t do that Mr Olpik.”. What do all you think the Hawks should do? Turn their other cheek and let it happen again? Oh. yeah, treat others like you would want to be treated, huh? LMFAO!!! So tell me. What would you do?

    -Ray Bullard · Top Commenter · Irving Crown High School
    I agree with Ed you can be passive in sports of any kind you deck our guy were going to deck your guy. you don’t want to become thugs just send a messege don’t try that again. I think with the 2010 cup players like Ben, Alan and Big Buff they would have come at Sidney a lot harder and properly knock one of them through the glass

    -Robert Fillmore · Batavia Senior High School
    suddenly this team is showing no ‘ heart ‘ …… where’s the will to win a game, protect a teammate, score a goal without your best goal scorer ? looks like one and done playoff scenario to me ….

    -

    • lizmcneill

      Derp derp derp derp derp, derp of the week.

      • 10thMountainFire

        It’s awesomely bad.

  • CozBullsFan

    oh hai guyz wats goin on in dis thread?

    • birdhead
      • 10thMountainFire

        I was about to make meatballs… and that’s no joke. But I’m not going to now.

        • birdhead

          meatballs are delicious though.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Turkey meatballs. With Prego, crushed red pepper, and parmesan. Because affordable.

          • birdhead

            hm, I’ve never had turkey mince in anything – it’s not very common here. I do a beef-pork combo. Fat in the pork helps the beef hang together (I don’t eat very healthily but it’s affordable!)

          • 10thMountainFire

            Well, I grew up in a decidedly Italian house. Pork, veal, and beef meatballs.

          • birdhead

            that sounds pretty freaking delicious

          • 10thMountainFire

            Thank my mother and grandmother. They’re awesome.

            Also, garlic. In everything.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            My Ex’s italian family recipe’s were so good I married her. Sadly, it wasn’t enough to sustain the relationship…

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            I made meatballs last night in celebration of TCI.

          • Z-man19

            No lamb? NZ meatballs should have lamb, no?

          • birdhead

            hahahaha yeah cause New Zealanders can afford to buy lamb hahahahahaha

          • Z-man19

            Aren’t there like 7 sheep for every person in NZ?

          • birdhead

            yes (statsNZ has a whole fact page about it: http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/population/mythbusters/3million-people-60million-sheep.aspx ) and all that lamb gets sold to squillionaires who live in New York and London.

          • Hawkeytalk

            Mutton?

          • laaarmer

            What you mean he don’t eat meat?

            It’s OK, I make lamb

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’ll take two, please.

          • birdhead

            I do eat that when I can get my hands on it, which is surprisingly non-often. It doesn’t show up much in supermarkets and I don’t get to the butcher much (I ate it more when I wasn’t living with a vegetarian). But I like a mutton chop.

            I do eat lamb sometimes, usually chops or a lamb roast once or twice a year for a special occasion, but I wouldn’t put it in meatballs. Lamb shanks used to be good and cheap before they became the new hipster thing.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Had a hard time finding beef in Hawaii.

          • birdhead

            Lots of pork and chook? I bet a lot of that is just driven by what people buy/eat locally, too.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Oh, the pork is unreal. I can’t even describe how good it was. Now I’m going to want some.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            There’s plenty of beef on Big Island. Of course, having Parker Ranch there probably helps.

          • Z-man19

            Sustainability at its finest

          • birdhead

            It’s more sustainable to grow apples in NZ and ship them to London than it is to grow apples in England and ship them to London. Really. And we’re pretty nice to our sheep, all things considered.

          • Z-man19

            How did we get to apples to London? You export all your food, what do you eat?

          • birdhead

            because I’m not sure what the sustainability of NZ lamb is :P but it’s not bad, most of our terrible pollution comes from the dairy industry.

            We eat imported out-of-season California fruit and tinned Italian tomatoes. (Also, beef, pork, lots of chicken, and New Zealanders do love lamb when we can get it.) Carrots, potatoes, pumpkin, and kumara (sweet potato). A big difference in NZ cuisine compared to American that I notice is that we use pumpkin and sweet potato as savoury vegetables (and we get good eating pumpkins, not just terrible pie and carving pumpkins). (Also we don’t tin them). NZ cuisine was heavily based on UK food for a long time (e.g. bad) but it’s coming along a lot in the last 20 years.

          • Z-man19

            I was speaking more to the sustainability of shipping sheep all the way to NY. Seems absurd lamb is so expensive there, most can’t afford it despite the high number of sheep there

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Best meal I ever had (no lie) was on a farm in NZ: mutton, brussell sprouts (which I had never been a huge fan of, but were delicious), roasted potatoes and carrots and pumpkin soup. Holy crap. It totally changed the way I viewed the pumpkin as a food item.

          • red palace

            A pumpkin ravioli at a trattoria in Verona did it for me.

          • VerStig

            So lamb is the quinoa of New Zealand? (so expensive the people who raise/grow it can’t eat it themselves)

          • birdhead

            I probably exaggerate. NZ consumers compete with consumers all over the first world, but we are actually a first-world country, so we *can* buy lamb at prices that compete with New Yorkers. it just means that it’s not an everyday thing (especially if you’re my age and kind of a spendthrift). But I have frequently run into, e.g., a New Yorker writing “Lamb legs are not cheap unless you live in New Zealand” and that kind of thing so I get a bit sarcastic about it.

          • CozBullsFan

            I’d suggest making a homemade sauce for two reasons. It tastes better and it’s better for you. Store bought sauces have too much sugar and preservatives. You can avoid those with an organic sauce, but they are more expensive. I just did a batch of pasta sauce that will last me a long time. I can shoot you the recipe to your email if you want. The price is reasonable depending on the price of plum tomatoes where you live.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That may happen. Moving into a house with five other people. Stealing my mom’s cookbook to start cooking again after five years doing the military thing. Enjoying it. Will be lots of sauces. I’m an amateur. I’ll need to learn fast.

          • CozBullsFan

            This will get you started on sauces. If you can master the 5 basic french sauces, you are almost there.

            http://culinaryarts.about.com/od/sauces/tp/Mother-Sauces.htm

            Outside of that, you should learn how to make bolognese, marinara, and your basic tomato pasta sauce.

            One of my favorite Youtube channel cooks is below.

            https://www.youtube.com/user/foodwishes

            Also, learn how to make a roux. It’s a necessity.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Holy motherlode.

          • laaarmer

            you need to add….. “and watch a hockey game” or ahn is going to come and bust your sorry cooking ass.

          • VerStig

            I’m an amateur like XMF… but I’ve had success with adding sriracha sauce to bolognese.

            These are going in my bookmarks, though…

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’ve been known to burn jell-o. But I’m working on it.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Edit: six. I have no idea why I typed ‘five’.

          • Bullitt315

            Covered in stupid sauce?

          • chidiver

            Turkey? terrorist!

      • CozBullsFan

        nomnomnom

        • 10thMountainFire

          You can have some of mine. Frozen. But I spice them with crushed red pepper and sauce.

          • CozBullsFan

            We do too. Pepper flakes are awesome!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Red pepper on everything. Except cereal.

  • red palace

    Synesthetes unite against hockey fights!!

    • 10thMountainFire

      I’m with you.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Except I like the non-staged fights.

        • 10thMountainFire

          And the staged ones, too.

          So, sorry. I can’t unite on this one. But I’m with you in synesthetic spirt.

    • ChicagoNativeSon

      People who hate people, come together!

  • one of the old guys who should

    f off so i should die huh???your an idiot.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      FTFY

      Eff off, so I should die, huh??? You’re (Spoken “I am” meaning you of course) an idiot.

      • one of the old guys who should

        you must be an english teacher GENIUS!

        • 10thMountainFire

          Do you like gladiator movies?

        • DesertHawk

          I think you’ll find that most people, have picked up a bit of the language. What with most of us having spoken/read/written it our entire lives.

    • laaarmer

      best comment in the history of best comments!

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

        I see Mike Milbury learned how to use a keyboard.

        • laaarmer

          He’s typing with Jones’ shoe

          • Hawkeytalk

            It’s kinda like his user name is part of his sentence.

          • Z-man19

            Talker wins the Interwebz for today, thank everyone for playing

    • ahnfire

      Well, Sam was more pointing out that you will die eventually (death is still a thing, what a surprise, right?).

      But it seems your reading comprehension is on par with your grammar and typing skills.

      • VerStig

        Valar morghulis

        • jordyhawk

          Valar dohaeris.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Valor Disqus.

    • 10thMountainFire

      You definitely need to stick around. We have someone who could use a buddy.

  • rick

    I like your explanation and I would have to say that I agree with it. I don’t care who the players are no one deserve s to be hit like that and after the post game it was clear the this guy has a history. I like the way the Hawks play hockey but if the league is not going to put a stop to this they need an enforcer. Not to retaliate but to make other teams think twice right from the start.

    • lizmcneill

      Yeah, he really thought twice before he drilled Loui Eriksson on a similar play. And Boston’s enforcer KO’ing him on the ice totally made him change his ways.

      • 10thMountainFire

        /Logic’d

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Nothing stops dirty hits except the threat to one’s livelihood.

  • Jim

    I don’t buy the “clean hit” stuff. What purpose does it serve in a hockey context? Orpik lined him up and left his skates.

    This is one thing I hate about contact sports. What better strategy is there than to injure the other teams best players? We all heard about the New Orleans Saints offering up bounties. I bet NFL teams still do it, but keep it to winks and nods. And I actually felt kind of sorry for Orpik when he was beaten, before I found out what a tool he is. He’s a Matt Cooke type who is better than Cooke at doing his dirty work within the confines of the rules.

    I’ll never buy the clean hit argument. There is nothing clean about hitting a guy so hard you break his bones and bruise his brain.

  • laaarmer

    You think Orpik can make sauce?

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      I hear he’s really good at making weak sauce.

  • CozBullsFan

    Anyone watching the Ottawa/Carolina game? The Ottawa announcers have been hilarious. Non-stop tongue-in-cheek shit talking about the Senators.

  • cliffkoroll

    Duchene out 4 weeks (estimate), but says he’ll try to be back for first round anyway.

  • bizarrohairhelmet
  • wowwowweewoo

    So I take it Stephen Johns is never going to sign huh?

    • CozBullsFan

      They have until August to sign him. As of right now, they can’t because they have the max number of contracts allowable under the CBA, which is 50.

      • lizmcneill

        He could sign an AHL PTO for Rock Vegas though.

        • CozBullsFan

          True. I’d imagine that wouldn’t even happen till his semester ends.

          • jordyhawk

            “Don’t be a fool, stay in school.”

            …Apollo Creed

          • lizmcneill

            Oh, good point. If he’s so close to graduation he probably wants to go through with it.

            Their finals are May 5-9th, Commencement 16-18th.

          • CozBullsFan

            Yup. Even then, I think we are maxed out on the number of contracts allowed. We might have to wait until the season is over so we can rid ourselves of a couple to sign him.

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    What are we going to talk about today???

    • Bullitt315

      Bollig

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        I get shouted down when I talk about Bollig. I decline to participate.

        • laaarmer

          Bollig is not a very good NHL hockey player. He has his moments when he is almost tolerable, and he it appears he does his best. But if an NHL team that claims to be “the template” for all other teams gives Brandon Bollig regular shifts…..

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Disagree. I’m not claiming he is great or a difference-maker, but if we gather up all the fourth lines in the NHL and compare Bollig and what he does with the others and what they do, then at the very worst you still have yourself a player who’s able to play more minutes than most others.

          • laaarmer

            I’d still take Craig Adams…..waiver!

            I think he makes more inept plays than he helps. He is not a very good NHL player. He is better than Carey, for sure, but geez, you’d hope so.

            You think Jeremy Morin can’t do what Bollig does? He is 10X the skill of Bollig. It’s obvious. Is Bollig the least effective player on the Hawks team?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Well, in terms of least effective on any team, you’re probably going to be picking one of three guys on the fourth line, right?

            4th lines in a cap era? You’re going to have to skate some incomplete players. Every team will to some degree, especially those that spend to the cap (unless you’re lucky enough to have a few players playing on their first contracts).

            I like Morin, I do, and I think he could fit, but no, right now I don’t think he could do what Bollig does, truth be told. I think he would take fewer penalties, absolutely. I don’t think he would check as well, no, nor work as well with Kruger and Smith. I think Bollig-Kruger-Smith has been one of our bright spots this year.

          • laaarmer

            The line is good, but not until Smith and Kruger got there.

            Morin is faster. Morin is better with the puck. Morin has an offensive upside and he is already on the bench. he should be playing ahead of Bollig

            If Stan and Q think he can’t do it and Bollig is a better option, why didn;t they unload him?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            My argument isn’t that Morin sucks, it’s that Bollig better suits the role Q wants served in that spot.

            Stan didn’t unload him because you don’t just unload assets because they don’t currently fit. Kane’s a better option than Teuvo, but we shouldn’t unload Teuvo. Dumb analogy, I know, but the same principle fits here. Or maybe they tried to unload but didn’t receive offers they thought were worthwhile? Maybe they think he’ll be a better fit next year? Maybe they want him developing more in the AHL? Dunno. RFAs are valuable assets.

          • cliffkoroll

            I get that Bollig is more defensively-responsible than Morin, but do you think it’s a good idea to put Bollig in a Big Boy checking role in the playoffs?

            If he’s relegated to more of a ’4 vs. 4′ role, I think Morin is a better choice there.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I do. Until proven otherwise. If we’re healthy and we can go back to Bollig-Kruger-Smith, then I think that’s the wiser decision. I prefer that line because of its demonstrated success this season, and it also seems an odd time to decide on Morin as a replacement. Hey Jeremy, welcome to your new role … and the Avs and the Blues in the playoffs.

            If people are afraid of Bolligmistakes in the playoffs, I’m astonished they’re not at least equally worried about Morinmistakes. Bollig would get 10/11 minutes in the playoffs (probably); Morin would get 6/7.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            But but Bollig LOST that game last year!
            Therefore career over.

            Just like Crow vs Phoenix in 2011. Career ovah! That boy will never get paid.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            If Bollig gets paid more than league minimum next year I’ll go to work naked for a week. And Crow? Show me the team who pays him more than 4.5 million and I’ll give you 100 dollars, no strings.

          • laaarmer

            I heard Bollig got some money, so ….your coworkers are not amused

          • lizmcneill

            Howard and Voldemort both got 5.5-6M, and they’re pretty similar Crow comparables.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I don’t think Crow’s contract was obscenely out of the ballpark or anything. But I think we should have signed him for fewer years, and I think we could have, too (and at a lower number), if Stan had waited.

          • lizmcneill

            Yeah, but Stan didn’t know Crow was going to start the year doing not so great and pick it up as he went along. It could easily have been the other way about.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            He should have. All evidence points to Crow being average. He’s .915 career, .918 this year.

          • cliffkoroll

            Howard got $5.3, Crow got $6.0. You’re usually not so fuzzy with numbers.

            Varlomov got $5.9, but only five years, not 6. And he’s three years younger, so upside.

            Crow’s contract is worse than either. And wantonly premature.

            Apart from that, I think all three of those contracts are dumb- just like a lot of goalie contracts. Just cuz everyone else is doing it…

            But you say ‘market value’, and I say “two Cups with unremarkable goalies. What’s it worth to play on a great offensive team that is also a great defensive team? You are not indispensable Corey.”

          • lizmcneill

            I misread Howard’s salary as cap hit.

            Lehtonen’s 5.9*5 , Diving Smith is 5.6*6. I’d be happier with a year or 2 off the end of the contract but whatever, it’s done now. Crow made Nemo dispensable. Raanta dosn’t make Crow dispensable.

          • cliffkoroll

            Again, these contracts are cheaper than Crow’s, and I’d take Lehtonen or Smith over Crawford anyway.

            If you’ve got a $6 million budget, there are plenty of fish in the sea.

            Like Chico said, this is not obscenely out of the ballpark. It’s just modestly dumber than other dumb contracts.

          • cliffkoroll

            As far as Crow making Nemo dispensable, in the summer of 2010, when Nemo got cut loose, Crow had accumulated all of 1 NHL victory. . If anything, this supports my ‘lotta fish in the sea’ view.

          • VerStig

            And we were going to ease him in by having him back up Marty Turco, right?

          • laaarmer

            It worked out. Can’t complain. I saw a parade and Crawford was a HUGE part of it.

          • cliffkoroll

            Yes he was. And we owe it to Crow to trust him to be able to flip the switch again, just like the rest of ‘em, cuz the Hawks are gonna need all of it to make another run.

          • laaarmer

            I think he is good enough to allow his teammates to win most games. However, if they play out of their minds and don’t do what they are supposed to do, he is not going to steal a game for them.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Commence the dispensing!

          • cliffkoroll

            2 for insitgating. What’s done is done. Crow’s the man. But his contract is still dumb.

            Fortunately, Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, and Sharp are all getting less than ‘comparables’.

          • laaarmer

            Hey micro!

          • cliffkoroll

            To be clear, I’m not suggesting Morin in a checking role- more of a traditional 4th line role. Think Burish/Eager- not an overly high bar.

            But Bollig on a checking line in the playoffs is a mistake.

          • cliffkoroll

            And to build on this- I do like the ’1 vs. 3′ strategy the Hawks have used historically, and I like Kruger on that line, along with (pick two, blend away) Bickell, Versteeg, Smith, Saad.

          • lizmcneill

            We don’t have a traditional 4th line to put him on. Mutt, Steeg and even Bicks get more ice time and don’t play that role.

          • cliffkoroll

            You’re inside the box. IIRC, in the 2009 playoffs, Q put Sharp on a makeshift fourth line with Burish and Eager in the playoffs for a stretch.

            Lots of mixing and matching possibilities, such as:

            Brandon SaadJonathan Toews
            Marian Hossa

            Patrick Sharp
            Ben
            Smith
            Patrick
            Kane

            Bryan Bickell
            Marcus
            Kruger
            Kris
            Versteeg

            Jeremy Morin
            Peter
            Regin
            Andrew
            Shaw

          • VerStig

            cliff
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          • cliffkoroll

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          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            OT … No need to be scared of line breaks, cliff. Makes things easier to read.

          • lizmcneill

            Who takes the dzone starts in that? Toews? Frogger, with Versteeg hampering the effort by being overly cute at his own blue line instead of the other one?

            We don’t have a line of “go out for 5 minutes, hit everything in sight while the scorers get their breath back, occasionally fight” which you’re suggesting Mo could do. Kruger’s line does a little of the hitting and fighting, but combines that with the checking role traditionally assigned to the fourth line. So does Shaw, but his line is a secondary scoring line. And both of them get somewhere in the 9-14 minutes a night range, which is necessary to go deep as a modern contender.

          • cliffkoroll

            Versteeg played on a checking line in 2010 with Bolland, who sucked at the dot. That line had an ok playoff. He was also a PK stalwart, so your suggestion that he can’t be trusted in his own end is silly.

            I have no idea what point you’re trying to make in the second paragraph. In my book, a line with Morin and Shaw on it looks like plenty of energy for a fourth line and high end talent for the job.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Checking/Energy. Can’t fundamentally disagree with you here really. I don’t enjoy seeing 75% of his starts in the d zone, but at the same time I don’t mind playing him the way he’s been played until he/they prove they can’t get that job done.

          • cliffkoroll

            I am anticipating this and thinking about the following game.

          • 10thMountainFire

            My favorite post today is your post.

          • Korab22

            Bollig pluses:
            1) He’s worked hard on his straight ahead speed. Significant improvement over last year
            2) Always makes the safe play. Rarely tries to do anything pretty since he knows he can’t.
            3) I’ve liked him on the forecheck. Some of that has come with his increased straight line speed.
            Bollig minuses:
            1) Side to side to side movement and general quickness are not there. If he spent all last summer working on straight lines, he needs to spend this summer on his footwork. When Q had him on the penalty kill it was hard to watch. And when that line does occasionally get caught in the zone, he really struggles out there.
            2) Really bad hands. Receiving simple passes, even making passes sometimes seem like a mystery to him.
            3) Along the same lines as quickness and hands, his “net front presence” is mostly ineffective because he can’t get to pucks and do anything with them quick enough.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Pro 4) He has a surprisingly decent wrister

          • 10thMountainFire

            …when he gets about 10 feet of room and about three minutes to wind up…

          • Korab22

            I strongly considered that point, but ceded to 10th’s observation. He rarely has time to get his shot off.

          • Korab22

            ….and I was doing more of a three thing anyway.

  • Al

    It is pretty clear that Fels is trying to rile up Hawk fans by repeating “clean hit” over and over. Maybe he thinks that it will bring more traffic to his site. The fact is Orpik left his feet and contacted the head. I wonder if Fels also thinks the dozen cross cheeks, slashes, and high sticks that Shaw absorbed are “clean”.

    This site has really gotten stale. Rip on Bollig. Rip on Versteeg. Rip on Q’s coaching. And then repeat.

    I’ll be back when you get some new material.

    • Bullitt315

      Or, it was a clean hit.

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      He didnt leave his fee, jesus.

      • laaarmer

        Yes he did

      • rkeign

        WTF is everyone looking at? His left skate is definitely off the ice before contact and his right comes off the ice also! His aim is high at the head and is vectored upwards with intent to punish and perhaps injure as he leaves his feet!! There is no fucking way that such hits can continue to be allowed in the game without so much as supplemental disciplinary action by the league!!! It’s a sport and a game, not lethal warfare!!!!

        The NHL is afraid of losing fans/viewers if the physical aspect is tempered. How many will it lose if the truly talented hockey players in the league are targeted like this and no longer thrilling the ticket buyers? I was looking forward to going to the game against Washington but now I don’t know if it’s worth all the effort and expense, and that’s the truth. I was hoping to see Kane and Toews(I have his away jersey, my one) and was just accepting the fact that I wouldn’t be watching Kaner dazzle and then now this, geez. I know I’m just one voice/fan in a big crowd and I get only one vote, but there it is, you can take it or leave it.

    • Paul the Fossil

      It was a clean hit.

      Also you forgot “rip on Seabrook”.

      • laaarmer

        Seabrook could use some more ripping. He plays better when everybody thinks he sux, which he obviously does.

        TT has not scored yet. It’s looking bad for him

        • Preacher

          That was the plan all along.

          • laaarmer

            Play Bollig, trade Pirri, sit Morin and let TT suffer.

            I like it. Yes sir, I like it a lot

          • Preacher

            Because GENIUS!!!

          • laaarmer

            And Versteeg! (Dolt! 10volt! DH!)

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        * R.I.P. Seabrook

    • CozBullsFan

      Or, you know, he may not agree with the average Hawks fan that it was dirty. You know people can have different opinions, right?

    • ChicagoNativeSon

      That Shaw, he’s such a saint! Always turning the other cheek.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Please don’t.

    • Korab22

      NO REFUNDS!

  • Hawkeytalk

    Remember when all we talked about was who we were going to play first in the playoffs and when Teuvo was going to play?

    Ahh the good old days — last week.

  • Preacher

    Here’s a conversation starter: What’s the difference between this year’s team and last year’s? Personnel changes? Frolik, Stalberg, Mayers, Carcillo, Bolland, and Emery are gone. Did these departures hurt the team so much that it explains why the Hawks are so bad this year? Or is it maybe the full season vs. the short one? Olympics? Defending Champs? Why does this year’s team suck so bad when last year’s was the greatest ever? Discuss.

    • Accipiter

      This years team is pretty good.

      • laaarmer

        They should forfeit the rest of the season to show us mercy.

      • Preacher

        Pretty good? Don’t you read the comments here? They suck! Suck terribly, I tell ya!

        • Accipiter

          I have my computer read the comments for me.

          • 1benmenno

            saucy

    • Bob in EP

      Last year’s shortened season was the reason we had a healthy roster going into the playoffs.
      Sincerely,
      Capt. Obvious.

    • cliffkoroll

      Goaltending. Crow was better last year, and Ray M. Murray was a lot better than Raanta and HappyPoopy.

      But this year is still a work in progress…

      • Accipiter

        Shoulda waited to sign 50 to a new contract, IMHO.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          IOHO.

      • laaarmer

        Where were the Hawks after 48 games this season?
        I think they were looking pretty gut, eh?

        Same team. Different season. Long way to go yet

        • cliffkoroll

          This year’s team has been better offensively than last year’s (stretch pass!).

          3.20 G/G and 33.3 S/G this year
          3.10 G/G and 31.0 S/G last year

          But they’ve given up a lot more goals:

          2.53 Ga/G and 27.1 Sa/G this year
          2.02 Ga/G and 26.2 Sa/G last year

          0.9 more Sa/G this year, 0.51 more Ga/G.

          Say ‘shot quality’ again muthafucka.

          • cliffkoroll

            According to Dick Corsi, they have been better this year!

          • laaarmer

            But standings wise, they were looking like a winner at the 48 mile post, or was I watching something else?

            Yes, they give up more goals with the same goalie. Remember Raanta was like 12-1 or some such BS at some point and some stupid ass was talking controversy?

            The D is overly aggressive in the NZ and at the point. Tone it down just a bit and should Toews and Kane be able to play, they gonna be tough to beat in the playoffs

          • Preacher

            And it would help if they’d fight more. Edzo says so.

          • laaarmer

            Eddie is a tool.

          • cliffkoroll

            Yes, you’re hand-waving bullshit narrative defeats the ‘plain as the nose on your face’ story from my numbers.

            Willem of Ockham and I laugh in your general direction.

          • 1benmenno

            take Occam’s razor and shave “you’re” down to “your”

          • Z-man19

            That’s high quality right there

          • 1benmenno

            Thankee, English.

          • Z-man19

            did cliff edit a grammar error?

          • 1benmenno

            Yes. So now my clever comment is obsolete.

          • Z-man19

            no, no, that comment is golden, it shall remain so despite cliff’s cowardly edit

          • laaarmer

            Well, when your numbers suit up to play, I’ll listen, until then, I’m right.

            “hand waving bullshit narrative” what an ass.

        • ChicagoNativeSon

          2014
          30-8-10, 70 pts, +43 GDiff after 48 games (Jan 12)

          2013
          36-7-5, 77 pts, +53 GDiff

          • laaarmer

            So, I’m on to something then. A couple losses during the “streak” and they are kind of similar. Huh.

            I like their chances with Kane and Toews playing and nobody else hurt.

          • laaarmer

            Or some better shootout results.

  • laaarmer

    Ever since the captain Elastic episode I have had that Elton John song in my head.
    Is Kane the Brown Dirt Cowboy?

    • Accipiter

      Kane is the Tiny Dancer.

      • 1benmenno

        Like a Candle in the Wind.

        • Preacher

          All the girls love Alice.
          (No idea what that relates to but it was the first title that popped into my head from Elton.)

          • laaarmer

            You can get anything you want

          • 1benmenno

            You’re like the sun going down on me.

          • laaarmer

            Good bye Yellow brick road,

          • Accipiter

            Can you feel the love tonight ?

          • 1benmenno

            you can’t plant me in your penthouse, I’m going back to my plough

      • laaarmer

        Rocket man
        waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    • 1benmenno
  • 1benmenno

    Leaving one’s feet before making contact–probably not as dangerous as leaving one’s feet after making contact. Maybe the definitions of clean and dirty need to be revisited.
    Or just screw it and go back to the days when Scott Stevens and the Devils ruled the ice. The days when I stopped watching hockey.

    • Accipiter

      Where do they leave their feet ?

      • 1benmenno

        Devils leave their feet whenever they want to take a load off.

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        At the door. No shirts required either.

  • laaarmer

    Where do we go from here?
    If Toews can’t finish the reg season? Should he even? It looked bad the way he went off. I say let him sit if the rest of the reg season.

    So, what happens then?
    Hossa —– Sharp
    Saad ——- ——

    Who the hell is going to play?

    Lets hope he’s OK.

    • Accipiter

      PMB ?

      • laaarmer

        He’s is the only hope they have.

      • jordyhawk

        I thought he played wing now. I wonder if Q finally relents and puts Sharp back in the middle?

        • Accipiter

          *repents

          • jordyhawk

            If Sharp did step in and got something going (say with 20/81) it might create some pressure for Q to keep him there in the playoffs. All up to Q.

          • Accipiter

            28-86-81
            20-10-23
            until the Hawks heal up.

          • laaarmer

            I’d switch 28 and 20, but either way. Poor Pirri, he missed his chance.

          • birdhead

            he’s scoring goals in Florida now. I think he’s probably fine.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            First 8 games, 7 points. Next 8 games, 2 points. That’s Brandon Pirri.

          • jordyhawk

            Using skilled player with other skilled players. Hmmm… you may be on to something.

    • 1benmenno
    • Preacher

      This is all part of the plan to drop far enough in the standings to get the Blues in the first round and knock them out right off the bat.

    • VerStig

      Pull a Team Sweden. Hossa-Kruger-Sharp, Saad-Regin-Versteeg/Shaw

      I think Bicks is back next game, too.

      • laaarmer

        BICKELL! BICKELL! He’s our man!

        • VerStig

          Paging Mrs. Bickell CNS, you have a call on line one

          • laaarmer

            Paging Mr. ——!
            /hangover’d

          • lizmcneill

            Apparently Mrs Bickell is expecting a bbBickell, it can be friends with the impending Jellybaby.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            and bbHossa. Geez…there should be a decent Hawks lineage set to mature within a few years or so of everyone on this team retiring.

          • VerStig

            All part of Stan’s master plan.

    • Lobster

      We call up Pirri to… wait what!?

      • Lobster

        Seriously though, the Blackhawks have tons of options and they’re all pretty mediocre. I’ve got no clue what the lines will be but Handzus, Shaw, Kruger, Teravainen, Smith, Regin, and Sharp are all candidates to play center.

        • VerStig

          I wouldn’t call Sharp mediocre.

          And I am fine with anybody in your list filling in for a couple games.

          • Lobster

            I don’t know. He’s still a natural winger that isn’t the king of defensive responsibility. I don’t know what they do, but no option is ideal.

          • birdhead

            I’m not totally sure but is natural winger correct? I thought part of the reason the Flyers traded him was their logjam at centre?

          • Bullitt315

            You are correct. But he’s an ok center and an elite winger. Someone has done the math before. I don’t care to look for it.

          • birdhead

            Oh sure. But the Hawks have at least a couple elite wingers rn and hardly any centres.

          • Bullitt315

            I’m not a huge Sharp at center fan but I agree if they are going to do it, now’s probably the time.

          • 10thMountainFire

            ‘…isn’t the king of defensive responsibility…’

            Actually, Sharp is pretty much a king defensively. Pretty darn good.

  • Commit88

    I hate how you talk me out of being a meatball. Being a meatball used to be part of being a Hawks fan in all the years they were fucking terrible.

    • Bullitt315

      Everything in moderation.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Check the 300 level.

  • Lobster

    Holy crap. I’ve never seen more bashing for not responding to a clean hit in my life.

    Response #1 to those bashing: It’s called class. Going Shawn Thorton all over Orpik is just sad. I love the way they played after the hit, and I think they responded the right way.

    Response #2 to those bashing: They are the defending champs. Seriously, you guys are trying to tell the defending champs that they don’t have the team makeup it takes to win. They just won with nearly this exact team makeup people! Not saying they will win, because I don’t think they will, but it won’t be because they didn’t respond to Orpik’s hit on Toews, that’s for sure.

  • CozBullsFan

    Damn, what shit news to wake up to. Frankie Knuckles died. Shit, that hits me hard.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      So it goes…

      • cliffkoroll

        #vonnegut

    • Arctic Ice

      Shit. Too soon! I just downloaded his latest podcast off xlr8 this past weekend. Be weird listening to tonight.

  • Lobster
    • remember the snoar

      Noczyk is getting impatient. His personal wait at most 3 weeks?

  • Waylon

    time to call up Huet and put Goulet on the 1st line.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Thank you Sam, whether the hit is legal, borderline, or illegal, you have restored some small part of my disillusioned faith in humanity.

    I admit to being ignorant of the rules, Orpik left his feet, but not till after contact was made. I don’t know if that makes a difference in the legality.

    Either way, it’s done. Deal with it, move on.

  • roadhog

    Hello fellow Hawkheads . . .

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Hawg.

  • jordyhawk

    Musings from the hair helmet himself:

    http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=447989

    • laaarmer

      nice link.

    • VerStig

      Referees should be directed to impose a charging penalty in every case when a player’s skates leave the ice in the act of delivering a body check, period. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the end game; just a medical scientist!

      Maybe hairhelmet is the hair helmet!

      • Accipiter

        The same one that didn’t make the high-sticking call on Gretzky.

        • laaarmer

          The world was simpler place back then. Nobody ever got hurt from a little hockey stick to the head

      • Bullitt315

        In the here and now, these hits are deemed “legal.

        • laaarmer

          “Deemed legal” but technically not.

          He is right. It’s not enforced. Should be, but it’s not.

          Hit should have received 2 for charging. Toews is out because he chose to be unaware.

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

          Deemed? Bullshit it has been “deemed legal”. The rule is the rule it is and has been on the books, it is being IGNORED, that is not the same as “deemed legal”.
          .
          How about, ENFORCE THE FUCKING RULE!!!

          • Preacher

            Hey, if you get a stick up around the hands–PENALTY!!! There’s your enforcement, baby!!!

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            Actually, that call for hooking is quiet common even at times when the stick is really doing nothing to impeded a player. You are comparing and interference type play to a physical foul. Hooking the Hands will hardly cause injury, charging on the other hand will.
            .
            Yes they are both round, they both grow on trees, they both generate from a flower and both have acidic pulpy flesh inside a protective outer skin. But know matter how you cut it, an Apple is still not an Orange and hooking the Hands in nowhere near Charging.

        • 1benmenno
      • bizarrohairhelmet

        The attempt at a physics explanation in the comments needs a Sarah McLaughlin song to support it.

        • 1benmenno

          Your love is better than ice cream?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            No, Building a Mystery

          • 10thMountainFire

            Don’t encourage him.

  • 10thMountainFire
    • bizarrohairhelmet

      The protect the puck part where Mutt is trying to get the puck from Jeff is great.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Shaw is a terrier.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki
          • 10thMountainFire

            That was so excellent.

            ‘Anada!

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Kids in the Hall … if you don’t know them, tube some of their stuff. Some amazing comedy. This one is good, but pales next to some of the other.

          • 10thMountainFire

            They are. They’re true comedians. It’s that dry, nuanced humor. That’s skill right there.

          • cliffkoroll

            Big fan of Canada here (except for the endemic hockey-related mental illness.)

            Anyhoo, my 17 year old daughter turned me on to The Kroll Show, which I immediately told her she couldn’t watch because it can be extremely raunchy and in dubious taste, and she’s like “I’m 17, I can watch any R-rated movie I like and you can pound salt.” and I’m like “Fuck me. Check and mate.”

            But I digress. There’s this one recurring skit “Wheels, Ontario” about a high school for disabled Canadians that plays to every American’s stereotypical view of Canadians and I find screamingly funny.

            OK, I have no point really.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’ve seen the mini-episodes, ya, it’s amazing. Kroll nails it. People should check it out!

          • 1benmenno

            Have you seen his new character, The 70s Eater?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVgMvJVTjFI

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I hadn’t seen that! He’s got some amazing skit characters. Funny, the first two episodes or so of The Kroll Show were pretty underwhelming, I thought, but it’s really picked up steam since, it’s been great.

    • roadhog

      Brandon Haapy . . . love that.

  • Z-man19

    There’s some good shit here today people. You got benmen slicing up cliff, cliff and laaarmer clobbering Chico and his Bollig boner, Stig with a nice shot to CNS, ‘Cip in usual form. Good stuff. The Elton John montage was slightly creepy though

    • 1benmenno

      How about Saad singing “The Piano Man”?

      • Z-man19

        missed that

        • 1benmenno

          See directly below.

          • Z-man19

            let’s hope his piano is better than his vocal

          • 10thMountainFire

            Shut your mouth.

          • Z-man19

            his hockey is divine, his vocal needs to die in a fire

          • 10thMountainFire

            If you so much as touch a hair on his head I’ll ghost-ride your vehicle into a retention pond and set your gazebo on fire.

      • YoAdrienne

        For some reason, I just can’t bring myself to watch that one. Don’t know why. I must still be disturbed by memories of Versteeg’s rapping.

        • 1benmenno

          That was traumatizing.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You’re going to have to answer to the Coca-Cola Company.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Watch it. It’s awesome. Saad >>>>>> Versteeg.

          • YoAdrienne

            Just saw it. A definite improvement over Versteeg. I hope once he retires, he pursues that engineering degree, but not a singing career. Better than Versteeg, but… :-)

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            No one, and I mean no one, sings well quietly. Except for Elliot Smith. No one else. I’d give him a chance behind the piano with a few cocktails in him before I discounted his singing ability.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Kurt Wagner. That’s my nomination to the contrary, but the only one I can come up with just now. Oh. Maybe Will Oldham?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Nick Drake is in the same style as those two. Smith sometimes sang like he’d get in trouble if anyone heard him.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            ND saved my life.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I can see it and also why it cost him his own.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Sigh. Yes. Did you ever see “A Skin Too Few”?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Most of it, in bits and pieces though.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Not the best documentary, but it’s interesting to see what his sister has to say about him though she strikes me as enjoying the attention a bit too much. The world is a better place for his having been in it.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Drake, Smith, Curtis…you can see the life burning in them too brightly even still. It’s a mental condition, of course, but we’d never have those works without it.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Pain inspiring great art and buring the flame too brightly and too quickly.

          • Waylon

            unfortunately, severe manic – depression is the norm for most artists, both great and otherwise. No wonder they so often self – medicated themselves to death.

          • Waylon

            …and in other earth – shattering news you can use, water is wet.

          • birdhead

            bullshit. plenty of great artists are perfectly cromulent humans. we just like to wank desperately about the romantic fucked-up Byrons.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Curtis hung himself and Smith stabbed himself.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Drake was incredible.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            You speak true words.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Elliot Smith as well.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Heh, good analogy.

          • Waylon

            I didn’t mind Drake the first few listens, but then it became an interminably long funereal dirge in short order. Hard to believe he offed himself – not.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            I like Kurt’s understated speak-singing.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Ok, I guess this is where I admit that I am a serious Elliot Smith fan.

            I’ll be in the bunker waiting out the incoming rounds if you need me.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            There’s naught wrong with that, lad. Either/Or is the only album of his I really put in the heavy rotation. It just fit that time in my life so well.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Angeles, 2:45, Clementine, Waltz #2… the guy proved the old adage of art inspired by pain. He was good.

            I don’t think you could have found a better voice for Good Will Hunting’s soundtrack, either.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      “Clobbering” means means saying nothing persuasive in the US?

      • Z-man19

        Nothing persuasive? They did everything but hit you with a flying cow. Some men you just can’t reach

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Bollig’s 5v5 Fenwick For is 7th on the team for forwards, behind Sharp, Kane, Hossa, and Toews (surprise surprise), and Saad and Shaw. Yet he starts only 18% of his shifts in the offensive zone and faces slightly above average QoC. He is part of the least sheltered line on the team.

          But he sucks, because Morin or something.

          • Z-man19

            Are the people he’s skating with any good or all those results you listed just because of him?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            So he’s just dead useless weight on that line? Smith is somehow playing both wings to cover for him? All players are moving the puck on the opposite side of the ice, including the opposition? The only positive aspects of his game is that he doesn’t play SO poorly that Kruger and Smith can’t overcome his uselessness?

            I hadn’t considered that argument yet.

          • Z-man19

            he spends most of his time with Kruger, Smith, Jelly and Oduya. I find it hard to imagine he’s the linchpin of those 4 guys and the key to their success in a shutdown role. If he’s such a defensive stalwart, why isn’t he in the top 5 in pk time?

            And I agree wholeheartedly with cliff and laaarms, the thought of Bollig playing any part of a shutdown role in the playoffs, scares the shit out of me

          • 10thMountainFire

            If I spent most of my time with Kruger, Smith, Jelly, and Oduya, I’d be a Selke candidate.

          • Accipiter

            Nope.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Do you even Selke, bro?

          • Accipiter
          • 10thMountainFire

            He’s got a serious conflation of size, hockey IQ, and physical ability.

            God Bless Saad.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Do you think the left hand sweep is something he worked on with Hossa? That’s a big part of Hossa’s thing.

          • Accipiter

            Toews, Kane, Hossa, they all do it, just in different situations. I don’t think it’s a skill that is uncommon among hockey players.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I think my eye is just drawn to Hossa’s given his particularly obvious way of one-arming the puck when stick-handling. I don’t know if I’ve seen anyone do it quite like he does it.

          • Accipiter

            Yeah, his strength with one hand on the stick and keeping possession of the puck is impressive.

          • 10thMountainFire

            The greatest example of this in my mind’s eye is still the Smith game-winner in Game Six against Vancouver. Smith capitalizes but that play is all Hoss.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rTKAMCmiBc

          • VerStig

            Isn’t that the problem we have with the Seabrook argument though?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Nope. Seabs and Keith together make music so beautiful that Beethoven had to decide to die centuries before they were paired together.

          • Z-man19

            Seabrook has his moments but he has actual hockey skills

          • cliffkoroll

            Nope. In that case, the TOS make the mistake of relying on their eye test.

            The correct move is to rely on MY eye test.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            heh

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I haven’t indicated that I think he’s a defensive stalwart or a lynchpin of anything at any point! I’ve only ever claimed that I think he performs the role that Q demands of that spot better than Morin would. I’ve called him an above average 4th liner, I think that’s the most glowing label I’ve assigned to him. And given his role in that line’s play this year, I’m perfectly fine with Q continuing to play him in that role until he proves unable. It’s not a very contentious position, imo.

            The commentariat here balk openly at the Seabrook hate from the ToS (that seems governed only by eye testing, because the numbers say otherwise); but then we’re unwilling to grant Bollig the same perspective? Claiming that Kruger and Smith cover up for Bollig’s glaring weaknesses is no different, in my ears, than claiming Seabrook sucks but benefits from Keith’s cover.

          • Z-man19

            whoa there Tonto, I’ve not been part of the Seabrook sux backlash specifically because I think he’s had his share of bad moments and quite possibly a tad more than his share. I’m not into trading him and he’s still a top 4 guy but I think it will be interesting when his contract is up. So I think I might have some latitude with your point on Bollig.

            Bollig is/was a face puncher that Q has given the opportunity to prove that he could be more. Is he better than the average face puncher? Yes. Is he “82 games without a ONE night in the press box” good? NO. Shame on Q for not using at least half of Bollig’s games giving a Rockford guy some experience. A guy with some upside so when (like NOW) injuries occurred, maybe that Rockford guy would be comfortable and prepared to step up a rung and fill a hole. You’re right, Bollig is a decent role player, but Q didn’t use him that way. Q made him an 82 game player and that was a mistake IMHO.

            I’ll add one more thing. If there isn’t a guy in Rockford, be it Morin or someone else, that isn’t good enough to have allowed Q to park Bollig in the press box for at least 35 games this year, the depth of this organization is not where we all have thought, and hoped, it would be.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I wasn’t implicating you in the Seabs stuff on either side, I just think the argument that Bollig’s usefulness is dependent on who he skates with is similar.

            If Bollig is working, and working well, then why would you shove him in the press box for an Icehog (I don’t think he’s waiver-exempt and so couldn’t go down)? Many will counter that Bollig hasn’t worked even remotely well, and that he makes mistakes. Name me one other 10-12-min TOI player/4th liner who isn’t in the mistake-making category. That’s what happens down there, and especially if Q is making you start 80% of your shifts in your own zone.

            My feeling is that he’s filled his role well, and the numbers seem to bear that out. I don’t think that a Hog coming up to play 8 minutes in Bollig’s position prepares him for time on the 2nd line–certainly not more than that same player regularly getting 18 minutes in Rockford.

          • Z-man19

            Is Morin more skilled than Bollig?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            This isn’t what I’ve been arguing.

            Generally speaking, yes, clearly. But not for the role Q wants in that spot, no.

          • Z-man19

            so why not give that individual the same chance Bollig got? That doesn’t mean Morin/Rockford guy has to play with Smith and Kruger, put someone else in that role. I see no reason that Morin/Rockford couldn’t have put in Bolligs 10 (not 8) minutes on the third line. And yes, I think Morin might have benefited more playing 10 minutes for 40ish games here than playing most of the year in Rockford.

            Bollig is at best a 4th line player and will never be more. Did he need to play 82 games to prove that to us? I’d like to have seen Morin/Rockford get a chance to show what they may be if Q had given them Bollig’s 10 min if not necessarily his role.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            “Bollig is at best a 4th line player and will never be more. Did he need to play 82 games to prove that to us?”

            Considering…
            1. part of what made the 2013 Hawks so great was rolling 4 lines,
            2. the fact that there is indeed a 4th line,
            3. and Bollig was almost certainly going to be on it,

            I’m personally glad Bollig got a full season to shore up his game instead of 40ish games, because the Hawks are going to need him, as with any player, to perform well in the playoffs.

            Plus, the guy’s top 25 in the league in hits among forwards, as a minimal ice time 4th liner. I personally place a high value on hits in the playoffs when it pays to wear down the team you’re playing for 2 weeks straight.

          • Z-man19

            We’ll see if he gets the minutes to hit people and if he can apply those hits without putting himself in the box. I may well be wrong here but I’m not recalling that the Hawks have bludgeoned any team they’ve faced in the playoffs in the last 4 years. They wore the opposing teams down more with speed and depth, forcing teams to ride their top 4 Dmen as few teams had a third pairing that could keep up.

            With or without Bollig, I don’t think the Hawks are going to wear anyone down by hitting them. Hopefully there are some timely hits that create great scoring opportunities, but if the Hawks have to win a series by clobbering the opponent, I don’t like their chances

          • Accipiter

            Clobbering.

            Zed’s word of the day.

          • Z-man19

            I threw bludgeon in there to mix it up some

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            There were reports of numerous injuries to players on opposing teams in 2010 and 2013. A good example would be Bergeron. He got a punctured lung, separated shoulder and a broken nose in the Finals.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            … is this the point in the stalemate where we both post yawn gifs?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Only if you have The Code.

          • Z-man19

            this is where I declare victory because it’s likely you will be the only one to read this so therefore I can

          • Accipiter

            Ha.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Think of how much violence could be avoided if things worked is way! Victory by way of declarative sentence.

          • cliffkoroll

            Eloquently put.

            #whiteflag

            Once he blows a game in the playoffs though, we gotta talk, deal?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Deal. He’ll make mistakes, I just pray it doesn’t result in a goal or a game. If it does, then we’ll all get what we’re really hoping for here, Matt Carey.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Who? Keith?

          • cliffkoroll

            100% troll comment. I expect better. C’mon man, time to up the game.

            I’m talking about Andrew Ladd, 2014 model.

          • cliffkoroll

            Also, he’s #1 on my ‘extra gear’ list, right next to Rodney Dangerfield:

            TOI/G by year (Keith)
            2009-10 26:35
            2010-11 26:53
            2011-12 26:53
            2012-13 24:06
            2013-14 24:39

            TOI/G by year (Dangerfield)
            2009-10 23:13
            2010-11 24:23
            2011-12 24:43
            2012-13 21:59
            2013-14 22:13

            Who’s on your ‘extra gear’ list? Bollig?

          • neo1978

            Could people please stop using that argument? Andrew Ladd was pretty good in that checking role and he didn’t play on the PK. Bickell wasn’t bad either. The “muscle” on the checking line doesn’t typically play on the PK. The PK is a different skill set. And of course there are all kinds of examples of good PKers that weren’t necessarily good defensively when 5o5.

          • cliffkoroll

            Good comment.

            So…Bollig 2014 is in Ladd 2010 role? Feels like a step down.

            Does checking line need muscle? Frolik, Bolland, Kruger did a number on Boston.

            For the most part, it seems like PKers ARE solid 5 on 5 and “checking line worthy” though. Handzus might be an exception this year, but Smith, Kruger, Toews, Hossa, Saad…

            Sharp and Versteeg (past PKers) too, tho I expect many disagree here.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Cough, Sharp, cough.

          • cliffkoroll

            ‘Cough’, career +89, ‘cough’ post-season +7 ‘cough’ Selke nominee ‘wheeze’ occasionally floats around and doesn’t do much

          • Z-man19

            I’d also like to know more about this statement: If Bollig gets paid more than league minimum next year I’ll go to work naked for a week

            Is 1.25 mil the new league minimum for next year?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Heh. Hyperbole!! Or no. That was my girlfriend. I hadn’t logged out.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Your girlfriend’s name is Hyperbole? Dude, you are so awesome.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Shut up. Shut it right now. Shut it. Shut UP!

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            (No one on the entire team starts more shifts in our end of the ice.)

          • 10thMountainFire

            You’re going to be responsible for my alcoholism.

          • Z-man19

            who was responsible for it yesterday?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Orpik.

          • neo1978
          • cliffkoroll

            Silly, that’s not why he sucks. It’s the not good at hockey part.

            #betterthanjohnscott
            #cantbeworsethanboynton

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’ve had enough of your goading.

            #morincite

    • laaarmer

      Chico has a valid point. Bollig is not the worst player in the league, and he doesn’t hurt the Hawks too badly. I just think Morin is a better choice given the players currently on the roster (including injuries). the injuries make it so Bollig is going to have to play.
      I do think it will be fine if Bollig plays 7-10 minutes per game, but not optimus

  • 10thMountainFire

    Over half a Bollig.

  • Sakicman

    I wonder if some of the dolts on this site still think that hitting is overrated. If so, then an “overrated” part of the game just ended your season.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Air is pretty thin up there, eh?

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Sakicman, burning out his views in here alone

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

          He’s a Meatheadman

        • Accipiter

          And all these fancy stats

          He don’t understand

          It’s just his job

          To troll 5 days a week

          A Sakicman

          Sakicman

          • 10thMountainFire

            Upvote that, everyone.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            Yeah, it is needed

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            We all know he is out of his mind
            He thinks he is gonna troll for a long long time
            But he will be out of here soon for the rest of time

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      The 10d ones do. The 18d think you win games in the hits column.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

      Finish this statement
      .
      The Team that hits the most in a game tends to ____________

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Win the Stanley Cup…except for last year, which has an asterisk.

      • VanDorp’sMullet

        I’ll try to supply the multiple choice answers there…

        A. Not have much possession of the puck.
        B. Have meatball fans that think hits=wins.
        C. Lose
        D. All of the above.

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

          SHOOT!!!!

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Are you imitating the guys on the 300 level or mad at me for ruining your exam?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

            HIT SOMEBODY!!!

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            TWEET TWEET TWEET

    • Waylon

      you’re absolutely correct, on all counts. After all, Boston is a team that hits, and they sure showed us last year, ammiright?

    • Waylon

      also Buffalo. With guys that hit like Scott, it’s a wonder they lose at all.

  • 1benmenno

    (I think we got a new one.)

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      I’m guessing 24d

  • YoAdrienne

    Whelp, the TwitterWorld has reported that Q says Toews is” day-to-day. It’s not serious”. I sure as hell hope so. Also that #29 looking to play on Thursday.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Is it Johnsson then?

      • YoAdrienne

        Not sure what you mean by that.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Kim Johnsson

          • Joe Banks

            I’ve got your Johnsson right here…

          • YoAdrienne

            Oh, duh.

            No.

        • Waylon

          he really means Campoli. (Seab’d)

        • 10thMountainFire

          If it’s not Serious, it has to be Johnsson.

          • YoAdrienne

            Hahahaha!!! Jeebus, I am slow tonight–more than usual. And, only one glass of wine…

    • Hawkeytalk

      Heard him say so on the radio a couple mins ago. A huge relief.

  • VanDorp’sMullet

    So… are we getting the band together tonight to practice (that is the Screwed Pooch Boob Quartet)? I think we need to work on a few songs from Plaintiff Wail Machine to really tighten it up for the big tour.

    • 1benmenno

      I just took some horse tranks. Not sure if I can make it through the whole practice.

      • 10thMountainFire

        That’s why I love you. You’re an explorer.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        If you didn’t save enough to share, there’s going to be dissonance.

      • VanDorp’sMullet

        Damn. We will really miss your triangle playing. It sort of holds the rhythm section together.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          And it absolutely makes the twee section

  • birdhead

    One of the best ways to make yourself feel better about the Hawks rn is reading Oilers blogs. It’s so fun. I liked this: http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6869 and I laughed, um, a LOT, at this: http://www.coppernblue.com/2014/3/30/5565196/edmonton-0ilers-new-york-ranger5-post-game

  • 1benmenno

    Avs and BJs in OT

    • 10thMountainFire

      Ohio, don’t blow this.

      • 1benmenno

        They did.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Dear Ohio:

          You can go back to blowing everything else now.

          Signed,

          Meh

          • 1benmenno

            Ohio blows; Missouri sucks. That’s why it’s so windy in Chicago

          • Z-man19

            actually, Canada blows; east coast sucks would be a more meteorologically sound statement for explaining the wind in Chicago

          • 1benmenno

            Mr. Meteorologist

          • 10thMountainFire

            You gonna take that, Z??? Huh? You gonna TAKE that?

            Dude, he just called you a meteorologist.

          • Z-man19

            the nerve of that menno, I oughta

          • 1benmenno

            try these horse tranquilizers

          • VerStig

            I thought I was Meh.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Stop trying to nick ALLLL the nicknames.

        • Z-man19

          so third in the division is pretty well wrapped up?

          • 1benmenno

            that’s the polite way to say it

  • YoAdrienne
  • Accipiter

    Doug Murray knocked out Kostka with a nasty elbow.
    Didn’t look good.

  • 10thMountainFire

    We’re approaching one full Bollig. This thread is starting to creak and yawn…