How To Shoot Yourself In The Face – By John McDonough

Well, that was a whole thing, huh?

Let’s state at the top, in the interest of fairness I guess, that there was no way that presser or the Hawks could come out of it looking good. Even if they showed up to announce they flew Kane in simply to punt his ass back to Buffalo in person, it was going to be uncomfortable for everyone. We all knew going in there were things that simply can’t be answered because of the legal process, but reporters are going to ask those questions anyway just to get them out there with any slim chance someone slips.

That doesn’t mean, however, that just because you’re going to look bad you have to look as terrible as possible.

There were two huge missteps by McDonough, as least in my eyes. And what John did prove today is that he’s really good at his job when everyone’s slapping him on the back and telling him what a great organization he runs, but pretty helpless in a crisis. Wouldn’t start measuring the drapes in the commissioner’s office just yet there, buddy.

First, when you’re basically trying to put out a fire and you have someone accused of rape sitting right next to you, it’s not the best time to talk about your team’s accomplishments over the past few years. A). No one gives a shit right now and B) it gives the look that’s what matters over all and the ends justify any means. Now, that might actually be the case but you certainly don’t say that out loud.

Second, and this is just my personal favorite, when McD was asked if they’d only spoken to Kane’s lawyers and not law enforcement in addition (and I’m not convinced they could but the question was asked), McD responded with, ‘We talked to a bunch of different people, I’m don’t know who they talked to and how many.”

WHAT?!

So… John McDonough, president of the organization, protector of #THEBRAND, purveyor of all he sees, doesn’t know who is talking to whom and why? Who made the calls? Who were they talking to? Why didn’t he know? What was he hearing? Who did he leave in charge of this if not himself? Boy, that sure doesn’t seem like you’re on top of the situation, McDonDon.

Or… flip this around and McDonough has talked to law enforcement and/or others he probably wasn’t supposed to to get the inside dope (emphasis on “dope”) and got in the middle of the sentence and realized he was about to step on his own dick. Either way, it’s a total fuck up.

There was simply no reason to have Kane sitting there to take questions, or to teach him and everyone else one phrase to answer them. If he has to be there, have him read his statement and leave. They may have thought they were hanging him out to dry, but when you’re sitting right next to him you’re right there with him with the trap door opening beneath your feet.

Yes, we get it, Kane can’t answer anything because he’s under investigation. But the rest could. You’d better come up with a damn good reason he’s there at all to sell to a large swath of your fans that aren’t exactly pleased that he is, and they basically belched. Blame it on the union if you have to. Toss anyone under the bus. But to keep painting it as a “distraction,” and then going mum… well, you look like a bunch of doofuses.

Have him release his statement yesterday or something. Make it clear that in your season opening press conference he won’t be there and only hockey questions before anyone even walks into the room. But to talk about your training camp preparations mere seconds after you led off with your star player having to claim innocence to a felony? John, you can claim you’re anything but tone def, but you sure don’t know how to show that where anyone can see it.

What was the end game here? To get the worst out of the way in one go? I guess they accomplished that. Get people excited for the season? Uh, can’t check that box off. Justify their decision to have Kane there? Missed that one too. Try and improve how they look to the section of fans that’s pissed? Wuh-iff.

So who’s ready for the 7th? Anyone?

  • Brian Soda Man

    Who has accused anyone of Rape? “First, when you’re basically trying to put out a fire and you have someone accused of rape sitting right next to you” What a BS article

    • UpperlowerClassTwitofTheYear

      Is this a serious question? Or are you just trying to force an unnecessary semantic distinction?

      • Brian Soda Man

        I think a libel suit would sum it up

        • Bob in EP

          Has the alleged victim published something false and defamatory about Kane? I’d be interested in reading it.

          • Brian Soda Man

            I’m not aware of any and its irrelevant to my point. Sam Fels has labeled him such.

    • OMFS88

      Da soda man has spoken

    • Boob

      If this is a serious question, Soda, you have no grasp of the english language.

      • OMFS88

        WHO HERE CAN QUESTION DA SODA MAN?

      • Brian Soda Man

        Really? Then who accused him? We still have due process that allows people to have their accusers identified, right?

        • yinkadoubledare

          Unless Kane was blackout drunk that night I’m going out on a limb and saying he knows who has made the accusation.

        • Boob

          Nice try

          • AirTrafficAJ

            When someone with the handle “Boob” shoots you down, that pretty much guarantees you’re bad at Da Internetz.

        • KEK

          “We still have due process that allows people to have their accusers identified, right?”

          I don’t think you understand the rights that sexual assault victims are given nor what the media does.

          The media has a general policy of very very rarely “naming” adult victims.

          • Brian Soda Man

            Where is there an actual rape allegation? Are you that PC brainwashed that your going to allow this type of allegation to stand? Sad

    • fromheretoinfirmary

      Yea what the hell are you talking about soda man? He WAS accused of rape.

      • Brian Soda Man

        By who? Buffalo PD? Chi Media?

        • fromheretoinfirmary

          I see what you’re getting at. An OFFICIAL agency has not admitted to that being the nature of the investigation. But this is undisputed. Take this idiocy somewhere else.

          • Brian Soda Man

            So there’s no accusation but its undisputed that he’s being accused of rape? Gotcha

        • Boob

          Your kind of logic will fit in well at Sports Mockery.

      • bmarlowe

        The response to Fel’s McD quote is this: McD & etc. clearly do not believe the accusation.

      • meow

        No it’s been a “sexual assault” investigation per the only official reports. RAPE sells more papers and gets more internet traffic. It’s serious….no doubt….but he has the presumption of innocence of which we are all entitled. Presser could have been handled better but I think hawks just want to get the “elephant” over with…. and move on…innocent or guilty PK brought this on himself and worse his family and team …shame on him! I hope the cold shoulders are coming his way!

  • Harry Longwood

    Pretty much this.

    If I’m Johnny McD, I’d have thrown the league under the bus for not exercising their right to suspend Kane during the investigation. In addition to not bringing him out and repeating the same evasion, obviously.

  • BestPredsForward

    I was 14 years old when I fell in love with this team on that famous November night against the Kings in 2007. I’m not a kid anymore. I’m a student with better things to do with my life than support an organization that is willing to go down the road they’re currently on.

    • OMFS88

      You play for the Preds for chrissake! Of course you won’t continue to support the Hawks

    • Jim

      How do you know Kane did anything wrong? Were you there?

      • Chesterfield King

        were you?

        • Jim

          I have no idea what happened. My only sources are TCI, SCH, Buffalo News, and SportsMockery.com

      • WookRN

        That’s the kicker. People are taking sides with no facts. We don’t know shit.

    • Jane Doe

      Own any Apple products? Nike? While I appreciate your sentiment, I guarantee a good bit of your wholesome money has and is supporting organizations/corporations with less than pristine records.

      • BestPredsForward

        I do not own any Nike or Apple products. However, there is a difference between companies that clothe you and enable you to do your job and communicate with people…than watching hockey games.

        • Black JEM

          In what way? It’s a product you buyuy. None of which is essential. or that cannot be bought through someone else.

        • Jane Doe

          I was just using those as examples. Unless you grow all your own food, grow your own cotton for clothing, build your own car…….you get the point? Just be careful that your perfect little bubble doesn’t burst.

          • BestPredsForward

            I DIDN’T SAY I WAS THE MOST MORAL PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MORALITY!!!

          • Black JEM

            Well – you kind of hinted at it. 😉

          • KEK

            Not really, he just said he was displeased of what the team did and he isn’t going to support them. You are just projecting on him because of your media conspiracy theories, Bernstein rants etc. People that are not happy with how the team is handling this are not making statements in regards to their morality. We all are not the “PC police” or “Social Justice Warriors”. You are just so dead set in this whole thing being a “setup” against Kane that you are unable to see any other perspective.

          • Black JEM

            Did you not see the wink? Wasn’t really being serious.

            I have no idea whether Kane is guilty or not. There is a rush to judgement by many in the media – which is why they were surprised when Kane got the big cheer this morning. Bernstein hangs up on callers calling them idiots and clueless for suggesting there will be a private settlement. He is an ass. He projects what he wants the world to be – and dares anyone to suggest he might be wrong. That’s not me. I think McClure’s thin skin on any disagreement with him has already cost Fels a great deal of traffic on this site as well. That’s not little ole intolerant me – that’s the media clique stating my aren’t we more nuanced than the rest of you shmoes who pay our salaries – oh and please refrain from noting we aren’t so bright after all.

            Most people aren’t angry with the Hawks at all. Most people want the season to start. Most people hope Kane is innocent because they want their team to win another cup. It seems a number of people on this thread happen to agree with me about that. In fact I think it has more up votes than anything here. Doesn’t mean we know what happened. But it does mean at least here your little rant is not supported by what is happening on this thread.

            Now go get some warm milk and cookies and take a little nap and perhaps you can be a little more tolerant. I have hope you aren’t training to be another Bernstein or McClure.

          • Black JEM

            Damn – I have now been passed on the upvoting – by people who are saying the same thing as me.

            Yes – people don’t want Kane at camp, right.

          • KEK

            Yeah its all a big conspiracy by the media. You can sit all day and say “you don’t know” but your statements suggest otherwise.

            “Now go get some warm milk and cookies and take a little nap and perhaps you can be a little more tolerant. I have hope you aren’t training to be another Bernstein or McClure”

            I am not, but they actually are able to hold an informed opinion. You just shift blame everywhere then where it should be, which is Kane. At the very least, he put himself in this very position. Again, this is far from his first time he has been in trouble.

            This should bother people, if it does not, then they are obviously thinking Kane is automatically innocent or don’t really care about anything beyond the ice with their favorite players. That’s fine, but not everybody is that way.

          • Black JEM

            Kane put himself in a position to create suspicion – and given his stature – it was stupid on his part, even if absolutely nothing happened. I’ve actually said that several times.

            I did say I would like to presume him innocent until proven guilty – and if an accusation with no charges is enough to make one guilty I obviously missed that part on the American Civics exam. That many of the media loudmouths didn’t feel that was all that important is a shame. Perhaps we need to revisit those press protections too.

            By the way, that particular “bothering” behavior is not what has the assclowns on the B&B show worked up. They think he did it. Period, end of sentence.

            They cannot even dream of holding an informed opinion because they refuse to even CONSIDER one contrary to what they feel . They deliberately avoid them, and hang up on anyone who might have a different opinion. A different opinion often based upon silly things like recent history, legal precedent, and some scary miscarriages of justice going on at our college campuses.And I use feel to describe their “informed opinion” because there are no hard facts (apparently not even the DNA) to substantiate anything. I’m still not certain what to think. But it seems based upon what little we do know – or maybe think we know – Kane appears a little less in jeopardy.

            If you truly feel that what B&B has is an informed opinion – then I pity you, for it fails by every definition known. They are the mob, “Stone him, burn him, hang him!”

            I would think an informed person would acknowledge what can be known, and respect what cannot. Apparently you are closely to B&B than you think.

  • ky-jellydonuts

    I’m trying to envision the battalion of lawyers that made this possible. Kane’s, Rocky’s, the Hawks, the NHL, the NHLPA. I agree that this looked terrible and I’m trying to think of how it could have looked somewhat less ridiculous. Here’s where I’m stuck.

    – The Blackhawks’ training camp is free and open to the public on a football weekend where lots of fans would be making the trip. If Kane’s going to be with the team and is participating in camp, he, but more importantly the team, doesn’t need a shouty boy-band-leaving-a-hotel-scrum media circus every time he leaves the ice. He can say “I said everything I can say about this and fuck you very mu…erm, I appreciate your question.”

    Think about what Twitter looked like yesterday when he was on the roster without explanation. Today, in some form or another, was coming. And my assumption is the Hawks, Kane’s lawyers, and all parties involved know there’s a settlement coming very soon or today’s escapade would have taken place much, much sooner. It would have happened on the Friday before Labor Day weekend behind a podium at the United Center when people are too busy thinking about what’s on the grill to think too hard about it. I’m sure Notre Dame’s tickled about their name being associated with all the transcripts saying “Patrick kane rape investigation.”

    – If this actually goes to trial I’m assuming he’s gone. None of them would have put themselves in so incongruous a situation if they didn’t have to (I could hear McD’s voice catch when he talked about researching the character of incoming players), and I think there’s an element of willful ignorance on the part of the three members of management on the dais this afternoon.

    • yinkadoubledare

      Notre Dame has dealt (or rather, not dealt) with much worse when it comes to athletes and rape.

      • ky-jellydonuts

        Oh, I know. I wasn’t mentioning that because they’re foreign to the experience by any means. I’m just imagining their sports info office thinking, “This has nothing to do with us. Please stop mentioning us.”

  • ItalianBeef

    I agree with a lot of what you said but there is no way Mcdonough was going to out the Hawks’ sources or name who they’ve talked to throughout all this. I get the feeling they said what they could because there’s no way Kane’s lawyer would have been OK with them saying anymore than they did.

  • PooSmasher

    It was fun seeing McD constantly grind his teeth.

    There has to be a known end game to the hilarious show put on today. There HAS to be.

  • bmarlowe

    “Yes, we get it, Kane can’t answer anything because he’s under investigation…”

    Actually it was all very substantive. Kane said he would be absolved of blame, and the organization by strong implication made it abundantly clear that they agree, otherwise they would not be standing up there with him. What else is needed at this time?

    • ItalianBeef

      THIS. A little reading in between the lines leads to this same conclusion but it seems to have sailed over many, many heads this morning.

    • Jim

      Yes.

    • Jane Doe

      Actually, Kane said, ” I am confident that when all the facts are brought to light, I will be absolved of having done nothing wrong.”

      I about fell out of my chair when he said that. Freudian slip at it’s best.

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        I don’t think you know the difference between a grammatical error and a Freudian slip…

        • Jane Doe

          My sincerest apologies Mr. Malcolm Reynolds-Kane. But, well done defending and trashing your boy in one sentence.

    • guest

      Right, because people regularly get not guilty verdicts (or, I should say, people don’t get charged since that’s the stage we’re at) after publicly making statements that you’re unsure of whether or not you’ll win the case.

      It’s pablum. It’s exactly what anyone would say, regardless of whether he never met the girl or whether he’s guilty as shit. How does “well I think I’m innocent, and my team does also” constitute in any way, shape, or form anything “substantive”?

      • bmarlowe

        He didn’t say “well I think I’m innocent…” In any case, what he did say, considering that he has long remained silent in face of a serious accusation, is certainly “substantive” in the ordinary meaning of the word. You can look that up after you look up what Kane actually said.

        Substantive does not mean “true”. That, neither you nor I know.

        • guest

          Again, he said “I am confident I will be absolved.” He is not representing any facts at all other than that he thinks he will win in court, which absolutely everyone who goes to court does. It means less than nothing. It has no “substance” whatsoever. It tells us nothing we didn’t already know. It is the very definition of “not substantive”.

          This is a sign of good lawyering, of course, as stating any actual facts about the case is a really good way to add extra charges/open yourself up to crossex bullshittery/end up getting convicted when you could have gotten away scott free.

          Again, whether he’s guilty or innocent, you’d see him and the hawks acting exactly the same way.

          Like you say, we have no idea what the facts of the case are. Kane did nothing to change that, hence what he said was not, in this world or any other, “substantive.” They were handling this exactly as they should have, keeping Kane home in Buffalo with full media silence. It’s baffling that they decided to replace that policy with this one.

          • bmarlowe

            substantive: “having practical importance, value, or effect”

            He could have just said “no comment.” Furthermore, he could have been kept out of training camp. Instead we got his presence at camp, and a public statement that he did nothing wrong along with the tacit approval of McD standing along side of him.

            The “practical importance” of this is its indication as to
            how the Blackhawks think it all is going to end up.

            Also, at the beginning of your response you called this “good lawyering, then later you called it “bafflng.” Why would you be baffled by good lawyering?

          • guest

            For the gagillionth time, “tacit approval” means less than nothing. You must be really great at poker, always thinking to yourself “oh wow, he raised, that’s a tacit implication that he has a good hand! I’d better bow out now.”

            It’s good lawyering that, when he purported to be saying something, he said nothing. It would have been much, much worse if he had answered questions–“I don’t even know the girl, she was never in my room, she did x she said y, there’s no way I’m guilty” or something. Allowing him to do that would be bad lawyering, and preventing him doing so is good.

            It’s not bad lawyering, but baffling PR that they felt they needed to pretend he was going to say anything, that they trotted him out for a media circus when he was going to say nothing, and that they have him at camp at all.

          • Black JEM

            PR had to take the bullet and get it over with. No future press conference is going to say anything else anyway. Absent a charge and proceedings. And a Grand Jury doesn’t count.

          • bmarlowe

            If McD followed your plan and just said, “Patrick Kane
            is in Buffalo until this matter is resolved through the justice system. We are confident he will be absolved of any wrongdoing,” then the question from the press would be, “if you really believe that why isn’t he here?”

            Just because he did not offer details does not force the conclusion that he said nothing. A claim of no wrongdoing is not nothing and is clearly different than “no comment”. Absent that statement, the first question from the press would likely have been, “did you rape her?”

  • The Gatest Gamer

    “You’d better come up with a damn good reason he’s there at all to sell to a large swath of your fans that aren’t exactly pleased that he is, and they basically belched.”

    Vast majority of fans don’t give a shit.

    • wreckinball

      He’s there because innocent until proven guilty. Fels and McClure are pro witch hunt

      • Black JEM

        I like to think of them – well not Sam – as modern day Robespierre’s along with Bernstein at 670 – he won’t even broach a dissident point of view at all. He just throws them off the air.- just like the french and the guillotine.

  • Jim
    • Jane Doe

      Thank you for *pointing* that out. Not with the index finger though. Possibly the middle, either.

      • Jim

        Now, he can only count to 8.5

        • Jane Doe

          I don’t know if they’re taught half intergers at USF. And you’re being generous with 8.5

          • Jim

            I’ll give that reply 1.4 thumbs up!

            Edit: 1.35?

          • Sopel the catfish

            Generous that he has 8.5 or that he could get up that high? Both?

          • AirTrafficAJ

            He gets the 3.5 finger discount.

          • Jim

            lol, high 3.35!

          • Jim

            That is a fearsome looking paw. Looks like he is ready to perform the modified wuxi finger hold.

  • brettraz

    Let’s start with one possible scenario–McDonough and/or his people have spoken with Kane, his lawyers, law enforcement, and their own private detectives. With this info at hand, they believe there is a strong likelihood that Kane is getting snowballed by the accuser. In this hypothetical situation, one might respond in similar fashion –by inviting Kane to camp, sitting with him at the presser, saying you can’t comment due to legal issues, and then talking about hockey.
    Yes, if if you are wrong and it comes to light that Kane was guilty of a sex crime it looks really bad. Right now to those who think Kane is guilty or probably guilty it looks really bad, and to most people it looks at least tone deaf and insensitive. But if you have a guy of Kane’s stature and you truly believe he is getting railroaded (and that maybe time will show this to the public) then it makes a little more sense to have him there, sit next to him during questions, etc.. It’s going to be a bad scene sooner or later so why wait?

    • UpperlowerClassTwitofTheYear

      but why should the team/league stick it’s neck out. there’s a way to handle this that a) shows a modicum of support for kane, who hasn’t been charged YET, while b) not coming off as completely tone deaf to a large portion of your fan base. Come out and say that the team and kane have agreed that, while he is sure that the truth will out in his favor, he/we thought it best to continue working out on his own with full communication with coaches and trainers until this matter has sorted itself out. And of course, should kane face charges, etc., the team/league will address that accordingly. Much better, right?

      • brettraz

        That is the safer more PR friendly way to play it for sure. But if they either believe a settlement is imminent, or that when light shines on the facts he’ll “be absolved” than this is probably the right move, though poorly executed. By sitting with him, they either believe his side, or some portion of it, or they are trying to sell that they believe him. Either way, it makes keeping him much more tenable if your stance is that Kane did not commit the alleged acts. And if as an organization you think the best course is to keep him and that at worst a settlement will stop any more outflow of negative info/charges, at best he’ll “be absolved”, then why suspend him for a day or two to bring him back a week later?

      • Black JEM

        I believe your assessment of the fan base is way off.

        The smart move is to take the bullets now, get it over with and move on. Those who think Kane is guilty won’t be happy with any press conference. Those who think he isn’t think he is getting railroaded – and those of us who don’t know what to think think its crazy for anyone to think they know what is the right thing to do.

        • Sopel the catfish

          Whoa whoa, you slow down there with your logic and reasoning, this type of situation doesn’t allow for that.

          • Black JEM

            Yeah – I was worried about that. I’ll check myself into an inquisition class center and accept my whippings.

        • arlingtonrob

          Just because I consider today’s presser a disaster doesn’t mean I consider Kane “guilty”, and if you think the Hawks and Kane are done taking bullets as a result of today’s events…I’m afraid you’ll be disappointed.

          • Black JEM

            Oh, I think you wildly overestimate the attention span of most people. The only bullets that will be taken is if Kane goes to trial. In fact, if the Hawks were to hold him out – and miss a playoff spot and nothing came of the criminal legal action against Kane, the Hawks would take a bullet so large we might see it from the other side of the lake.

            I am amused by the amateur PR hacks who think yesterday was a travesty. It was a very difficult situation, which always was going to be, and in which there was very little you could do to make it less so. In that situation, you get it over with as quickly and as soon as possible.

            The Hawks did the only thing they could. It’s over. And if the interview with the beat reporter who is in South Bend who was on 670 this morning is any indication, the settlement talks (that may or may not be going on depending on who you ask) suggest both parties feel their version of the events are correct. A classic he said/she said.

            This will end up hanging over the team for awhile, but as we saw with the Keith marriage saga and the innuendo surrounding Sharp, this team has an incredible focus on the ice. I’m moving on to lamenting how in the hell we replace Saad.

          • KEK

            “This will end up hanging over the team for awhile, but as we saw with the Keith marriage saga and the innuendo surrounding Sharp, this team has an incredible focus on the ice. I’m moving on to lamenting how in the hell we replace Saad”

            Except of course if charges are pressed.

            “miss a playoff spot and nothing came of the criminal legal action against Kane, the Hawks would take a bullet so large we might see it from the other side of the lake.”

            Not really, lots of the fanbase do not want him at camp right now.

          • Black JEM

            Oh yes – everything changes if charges come down. No doubt.

            Your last statement I would suggest is completely false or at least quite exaggerated.

          • Black JEM

            Haha!

            It appears I was more right than I thought.

            Apparently Kane got a huge ovation when he took the ice this morning – much to the media’s chagrin! Lol!

            The love for Kane has alot to do with scoring goals of course. And if he is found guilty of the accusations, those cheers will turn to boos so fast you will experience whiplash.

            But what McClure, and Bernstein, and to a lessor extent Fels and the rest of the vast media complex fail to realize is that their ability to cast their morality over everyone else is waning. There are some people who feel the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty is a higher order than their cause celeb of whatever day it might be. Just because they can yell and scream and say their morality is the most important doesn’t mean it is. I would argue that Kane, if he comes out of this clearing his name, will be even more popular than he is just because a bunch of pompous self righteous SOBs felt they knew best.

            Those of us who don’t know what happened, correctly remember Duke Lacrosse, mattress girl at Columbia, the wacko at UVA, Lean Dunham, and if you really want to pull your hair out a number of cases on college campuses that are beginning to enrich many wrongly accused men at the expense of the college endowment fund. We see that the woman in Kane’s case quickly went to the hospital, but then we also realize she has had a personal injury attorney since day one. So we are conflicted.

            At this point I want Kane to be cleared not because I think he didn’t or did do it – but because I want to see Bernstein and McClure completely lose it and see how much damage they can do to their media product. I won’t be able to hear Bernstein live as I’m done with the B&B show as are many of my friends. Whether that is enough for management to notice I imagine it won’t be. Maybe there are more like me – just pissed off at what passes for journalism these days – and the short sited and mean spirited reaction to legitimate contrary positions.

  • 5Minutes4Fighting

    I interpreted McDonough as saying, we can suspend Kane if we thought it was warranted, but the information we have does not make us believe the allegations are very strong or credible. So 88 is playing hockey.
    To me, this is another sign this is a money grab and there will not be criminal charges.

    • arlingtonrob

      That’s your interpretation?!? Wow.

      • WookRN

        My interpretation is that we don’t know any more than we did when this thing started. Still two people with two different stories.

        • arlingtonrob

          But this press conference was an illustration of how the Hawks, and by extension the NHL, are moving forward.

          Badly apparently was the choice.

          • wreckinball

            So what do you think they should have done ?

  • bobpulfordshelpermonkey

    Yea but, Seabrook got the “A” on his sweater so we got that going for us.

    • Jane Doe

      I thought there was a chance they’d announce 88 was getting it. You know, to put a positive spin on everything.

      • Jim

        lol, that would be hilarious. Why not pin a medal on him?

  • wreckinball

    The presser was fine. Wait for the judicial process. Gee whiz that’s why we have it instead of just burning him at the stake

    • arlingtonrob

      The presser was fine? That was a PR disaster…a friggin’ mess.

      Obviously, the judicial process needs time, but to ignore or think that public perception of a very public person and event is irrelevant…or can be ignored….? What planet do you live on?

      Beyond Kane and his “situation” the Hawks well managed image took a big hit today. McD looked incompetent, but by choice.

      • wreckinball

        Holy crap what capsule do you live in. Duke lacrosse UVA the mattress girl.
        WTF do you want them to do. Let the process go and we’ll see. I think a lot of public opinion is in agreement with that approach.
        We have a judicial system for criminal investigation and charges. Let it work

        • arlingtonrob

          Again…the legal process is proceeding. If the Hawks insist that Kane attend camp prior to a legal resolution, he makes a statement, or a statement from Kane is read…exit stage right, no questions. Similar statements are made by management, refuse to address the issue further, and move on the hockey business. Better yet have 2 news conferences…one to acknowledge the Kane situation, then the next day address hockey, personnel and camp.

          I would still have preferred that Kane NOT attend camp until his legal situation is resolved.

          But today’s presser was ugly.

          • wreckinball

            Hockey is Kane’s job.
            I don’t think you’d be thrilled if you were falsely accused, as he claims, and your employer said dont bother coming to work,
            That’s not how it works here in the U.S. It is that way in France,
            The presser wasn’t going to be pleasant. He was going to proclaim his innocence and then no comment
            All that could have happened presuming innocence.
            You wish the presumption of guilt. See France

      • HossasPierogi

        The presser was awkward but not a disaster by any stretch of the imagination. Kane and the organization survived it, not gracefully, and will move on from here.

  • Jim

    If the worst is true (and it’s possible only 2 people know for sure), then it is abhorrent, and terrible, of course, we can all agree on that.

    These are a bunch of guys who skate around a sheet of ice chasing a rubber disk around, and crush each other’s heads into the boards sometimes when the opportunity to do so presents itself. Who didn’t, in a place they won’t admit, enjoy, even a tiny bit “wakey wakey backy”? (of course, I didn’t like it at all, even though I hate the Blues, but I know some of you did like it)

  • Colbeagle

    How much do you think they’re paying the guys who planned this all up? Because I’m pretty sure I could do way better for way cheaper. Call me, Rocky!

  • Today’s winner was clearly… The LA Kings

  • Sopel the catfish

    So this yahoo article itself isn’t the greatest, but there is a good quote from Brian Burke (not that he is best person to listen to but…)

    “If you were accused but not charged of sexual assault, would you be allowed to go work tomorrow? Yes, you would. And if your employer tried to prevent you from doing so, you would win the grievance,” said Burke. “People say they want
    cookie-cutter justice but it’s not possible. It’s like a shoe store. You don’t walk in and they just hand you a pair of shoes. You have to get measured and talk about style and colour etc. You have to take into account the severity of the crime, the evidence that’s available and any number of issues. The player has the right to due process. Cookie-cutter is impossible. I applaud what the league is trying to accomplish.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-supports-blackhawks-in-patrick-kane-training-camp-decision-hockey-213524900.html

    • wreckinball

      Excellent point. Everyone has the right to due process

    • Colbeagle

      I think it’s probably less the NHL dedicating itself to the principle of judicial due process and more the league taking a look at the NFL’s Brady fiasco and deciding not to try to suspend anybody until they’ve got rock solid grounds for doing so.

      Given today’s ridiculous display, I can only assume they all have reason to believe that this is all going away legally sometime soon. If they’re wrong and the state of NY moves forward with charges, I’d expect there will be some reconsideration.

    • KEK

      “If you were accused but not charged of sexual assault, would you be allowed to go work tomorrow? Yes, you would. ”

      Uh what? There are plenty of situations where an accusation could keep the reported perpetrator from returning to work the next day. What if the accusation was coming from a co-worker?

      That comment doesn’t really leave the impression that he knows what he is talking about.

      • Black JEM

        With an accusation they would be told to stay away from one another while an investigation took place consistent with whatever policy was in place. What you suggest is not common at all unless you want to give the accused a paid holiday.

        After the investigation, if the business feels they can prove the charge, they would mete out whatever punishment was called for in the policy – up to and including discharge. They would then have to be able to prove that in civil court when they got sued.

        If they could not find any evidence they would tell them to stay away from one another. And of course prepare for the subsequent EEOC charge and then probably a right to sue notice when the EEOC couldn’t find anything to support the charge either. Then it becomes a personal injury attorney to see if they can shake the company down.

        • KEK

          You have no idea how each business would handle it, most of the time they would tell both to stay home. Especially in the case of sexual assault accusations. Not to mention it possibly becoming a criminal matter.

          • Black JEM

            I’ve implemented several sexual harassment policies during my time n the corporate HR world. All the policies say about the same thing – exceptions no doubt occur – but they are mostly the same because the lawyers have told them how to act to mitigate their risk.

            Some places after investigation will decide how they want to read the evidence – some will have higher standards of proof. Some less.

            Obviously once someone would be arrested everything changes – I am assuming in this hypothetical that no charges have been filed nor an arrest made. Just as in this Kane situation.

          • KEK

            “I’ve implemented several sexual harassment policies during my time n the corporate HR world. ”

            Of course they are not the only type of employer. Places like government facilities, schools, universities etc etc are going to treat an accusation much different then the “corporate HR world”.

            Like I said, the statement was idiotic and misinformed, plus a piss poor way to support his argument.

          • Black JEM

            Actually they are all mostly the same because all of them are subject to the same law.

            Even govts and universities.

          • KEK

            I work in social work at a government office. If there is an allegation of anytype different entities have to get notified and actions must be take (like ensuring there is no contact between the two). If it’s between a client and a employee then it’s even more stringent.

            Having an accuser and a reported perp allows for the possibility of tampering. If that happens, then the institution is in trouble.

          • Black JEM

            Getting the people out of each others orbit is a very common policy – just like you noted.

  • wreckinball

    This issue is basically it because Kane is a top five player. If he’s guilty or even indicted it changes from cup favorite to struggling to get in.
    There’s no trade or anything else. That’s it.
    I’d be astonished if he didn’t push for a settlement even if completely innocent
    There is no upside for him to go to trial unless case is Duke Lacrosse like.

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      @ wreckinball – Respectfully can’t agree – If you’re innocent of an accusation you MUST defend yourself LOUDLY when such a claim is leveled against you. Settling out of court will just leave questions unanswered.

      This is – evidently at this point – a “she said / he said” now. A woman after a long night of drinking in a bar accepted – went home with – a drunk superstar jock. Fill-in the rest …

      That Kane (no longer Kaner, that affectionate nickname dead as a doornail now) did not aggressively defend himself to me speaks for itself.

      This story will play out as it will and frankly I’m ambivalent – and that ambivalence based wholly on Kane’s behavoir AFTER having been accused.

      • Black JEM

        He has no position but to say nothing. His lawyers wouldn’t let him talk. If it’s he said/she said, neither of them can prove a thing. He only loses by opening his mouth. Regardless of what actually transpired. (Which based on the brief byline I read this morning sounds like nothing happened.)

  • Sopel the catfish

    It still makes me really sad (and my wallet/signed sweater, seriously WTF?) that Saad won’t be wearing the Indianhead.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/brandon-saad-on-leaving-blackhawks–blue-jackets–chances–the-darn-canon-185453822.html

  • HarryBalzonya

    He really fucked the dog on this one.

  • Mambo Man

    Again, I will point out that #9’s whiskey bloated red face and waving fingers (swollen from beating on his women) are featured on the UC scoreboard video screen during every game…at least during the SC playoffs.

    So why is anybody surprised by yesterday’s show?

    Fuckin right, Chicago!

    • 60MinutesBaby60

      @ Mambi Man – Just a t/y for a good lol gotten from your comment’s last three words.

  • Bob in EP

    Q looked homicidal.

  • brettraz

    Was that Patrick Kane up there or Sean Penn from Carlito’s Way?

  • SuperHawk27

    The “are you going to quit drinking?” was gold. The answer was even better.

    How many point does this presser count for? You think after they clearly lost this one, they can still make the playoffs?

    • wreckinball

      “Nothing good happens after midnight”

    • Get some balls

      He almost started laughing at the question about drinking.

      • KEK

        Yeah and that is a huge issue…

        • Get some balls

          Why will he be drunk on the ice? If not, what does his personal life matter to any of us?

    • KEK

      Kane very likely has had a very serious alcohol problem for a long time. I don’t know why people are joking about this. He has had several incidents, including arrests due to alcohol. Now he is facing rape charges because of it.

      Its not a laughing matter. After all, he made the idiotic comment about how all the “maturity” stuff was bullshit and people better “watch out for him” this summer.

  • HossasPierogi

    The organization looked over scripted yet unpracticed, despite having weeks to think through this event. That’s on McD, who I’ve always felt is overrated as a manager.

    • Black JEM

      A very fair observation – on both points.

  • T.M.

    if they didn’t hold a press conference people would be bitching. they hold a press conference and people are bitching cuz he didn’t confess. dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t.

  • bennicksic

    The secondary crime no one is talking about is what used to be a good blog with great content turning into a written version of Boers and Bernstein, two of the biggest ass clowns in Chicago media. Far worse than actually being those 2 is trying to impersonate them. Looks like I need a new spot to get Hawks news. Go Hawks

    • Black JEM

      Give them credit – no ban hammer on this thread. B&B can’t say that. I’m willing to stay here to read good stories about the ice. B&B I will never listen to again. I realize my disgust with especially Bernstein makes almost no difference at all. I doubt they will see their ratings drop at all. But one can hope. His world view is actually exceedingly dangerous.

      I realize this is not a representative sample of America, but thankfully the majority here are willing to accept they don’t know what happened. Let’s see what the latest DNA results mean, or even if that report is true. Let’s hope Sam can reel in McClure when he flies off the reservation.

      • bennicksic

        Give them credit for what? I’m guessing Fels banned McClure from talking about this anymore to avoid more people discontinuing their support of this site. Wouldnt that be putting the site (and financial well being) above their cause of making sure everyone realizes how many times rape goes unreported? The hypocrisy is huge.
        B&B are the worst and this should be a lesson to these young bloggers to not be anything like them. They dont know what happened but clearly from the reports tonite, its looking more and more like a set up.

        • Black JEM

          I wouldn’t call it a set-up. I at this point am no more willing to believe that than I am to believe he forcibly, violently put himself on her. Based on reports I figured more he said/she said. This merely shows that whatever may have happened is not so easily defined. I recognize in this rather crazy world the bar for sexual assault has been moved so low that it has the danger of reducing support for people who are truly assaulted and raped. While either extreme could still be true, it would appear at least Kane didn’t do THAT.

          Yeah. You are probably right about Fels – LOL!

        • lisa simpson

          What is it that people don’t like about B&B?

  • Driller

    As bad as the brain trust looked let’s not forget the equally dismal performance by the assembled media. It was equally painful to listen to silly question after silly question considering the legal situation. All in all nobody in that room performed at anywhere near a professional level.

    • KEK

      The media is supposed to ask those questions, that is what people want to do. They are not just going to say “Oh okay, he said only hockey questions so lets forget about the huge elephant in the room.”

      • Black JEM

        Yeah – they have to ask the question even though they know what he is going to say – even as he has to say the bland statement as they all knew he was going to have to do.

        It was a little bit of social theater society forces us to play.

      • Black JEM

        And of course – someone cold have screwed up and said something stupid that would become a big story. You have to try and see if you get an easy story from him or the Hawks.

  • Driller

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome.

    • Jane Doe

      Some would argue using that stupid fucking cliche about the definition of insanity is *the* definition of insanity. But +1 for being unoriginal.