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Hello Again, Our Twitchy Friend – Hawks Sign Nikolai Khabibulin to 1-Year Deal

With Ray Emery’s understandable departure for a shot at the starting gig in Philadelphia and Carter Hutton signing with the Preds, that left a void that Stan Bowman would have to fill outside the organization in the form of a backup goalie. Antii Raanta and Mac Carruth both appear to have bright futures ahead of them, but need work in the North American-slash-Pro game respectively. Simply put, the Hawks needed a backup for Corey Crawford, who himself is entering a contract year.

I don’t think anyone thought it was going to mean the return of Nikolai Khabibulin.

In a bit of an upset, Stan Bowman signed the 40-year old veteran to a 1-year, $2.0 million dollar contract, about $350K more than Ray Emery was paid. The savings gained in only spending $2.7 million for Nick Leddy probably evens things out, but this seems like a slight overpayment (once again) for a player who has shown to only really give a shit in contract years. Fortunately for the Hawks, it’s only a one year deal, so it technically is a contract year. Smart thinking, Stan.

There were cheaper, younger options on the board, such as Anton Khudobin, who was excellent in backing up Tuukka Rask in Boston, and will now do the same for Cam Ward in Carolina to the tune of only $800K. And though Khabby has pedigree even at his advanced age, if he’s playing well and the kids look ripe down in Rockford, he could be moved at the deadline to a team needing goaltending help for draft assets.

This is to say nothing of the stir this will cause among those who still remain unconvinced of Corey Crawford, despite he and Khabibulin now boasting the same number of Cup rings. Khabibulin is a name, and at the first sign of Crawford having an iffy game or two, the calls to give the reins to Khabby will be loud and ill-informed. There is also some concern about Khabibulin’s personality as a whole, where he’s always chased the biggest dollar signs (recall his year-long hold out, his first signing with the Hawks), not to mention his drunk driving conviction, and the fact that he and Kane used to be super good bros back before Kaner grew up a bit. When those inevitable calls for Crawford to take a seat come, make no mistake that Khabibulin will say nothing to the press to dissuade the notion that the net should be his.

But all told, this is a minimal risk move for the Hawks, and if he performs to the way he did last year, sporting a .923 save percentage behind a turnstile Edmonton blue line (once again, because it was a contract year), there should be no issues.

 

  • melvins_rule

    Hutton signed with Preds.

    • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure

      Corrected. Thanks.

  • zacked

    I really think (like to believe?) that if Crawford went down, they bring Raanta up and make him the starter. I just don’t think Khabibulin can handle any kind of workload, and I think they must know that.

  • Waylon

    The fact that there was so much debate only yesterday about this signing must mean that we still have a very, very solid team for next season. Not bad, and as always with these kinds of signings, we’ll have to wait to see if it was a judicious one. I tend to give Stan the benefit of the doubt on most of these, and for good reason.

    • Kevin

      I’d hate to be the one who says, “I told you so.” But, I did tell you before the Khabibulin news broke out. I knew the Hawks were going to get old #39 for next year.

      I am “Iron Mike.”

      • Z-man19

        but did you win a gumball?

        • Kevin

          No. I won pride.

          • Z-man19

            LOSER, you won pride, HA, PRIDE HAS NOTHING ON GUMBALL

          • Kevin

            Does this mean that you disrespect me? C’mon now.

          • Z-man19

            I defer all questions of disrespect to my cellmate Ben

          • 1benmenno

            Much appreciated

          • Z-man19

            I told you to stop drinking all the damn wine

          • 1benmenno

            And I told you to share your gumballs.

          • Z-man19

            can we not have that conversation here, PLEASE

          • 1benmenno

            Fine.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I am lost. What is the gumball reference?

          • 1benmenno

            Z-man and not-Chico made a bet involving gumballs a few days ago.

          • Z-man19

            and another possible one today, not sure I trust that Pastor Mathew dude though

          • 1benmenno

            Give me all the gumballs and I’ll keep them safe.

          • Z-man19

            have you stepped out of your body and lost your damn mind

          • 1benmenno

            Just the prison wine talking

          • Z-man19

            I’ll be watching you pal

          • 1benmenno

            Whatever you say, Sting.

      • Waylon

        …and Hossa is an old man who won’t play, even though we learned later that he was skating on one leg during the entire finals. However, screw him and his contract, he sucks and he’s never won anything for us and has been worthless the entire time of his tenure with the Hawks.

    • Jim

      Stan probably discusses everything with his Dad, Scottie, who knows something about Stanley Cups.

      • zacked

        But was a pretty shit GM, just saying.

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    Warm comfortable July Saturday here in Nova Scotia. So ya:

    http://www.gowherehiphop.com/sites/default/files/gw-goal.gif

    • Waylon

      Every time I see this vid all I can think of is “Boychuk CHOP!” Then he just left his stick on the ice while Bolland went nuts. Derrrrr….

    • Z-man19

      I like the angle from behind the net, you can see just how much Fro changed the course of that shot, Rask really looks like he expects to catch that in his glove hand initially

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        And Boychuk checking Bolland to make sure he wasn’t in a dangerous spot, then turning to find the puck, then Bolland skating to the net in a hundredth of a second (I timed it), then
        Boychuk with the first-ever actual manifestation of a thought bubble clouding above his head (“Oh dear god, oh fuck me”), then the fumble at the puck, then the in, then the we’re going to win.

        • Z-man19

          the ‘oh fuck me’ includes holding Dave’s stick just hoping somehow that in doing so, the goal will not count

        • 10thMountainFire

          That was like, the perfect play. Anyone claiming a fluke in :17 is a moron.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I have a fluke from drinking pond water.

        • Kevin

          I really like every word that you wrote here. I wish I had your stop watch, too. I didn’t know they could time it that accurate, but hey, you have a winner there.

          You know the end of the season dismantling is a mess and disaster when we are going over rehashed plays, though.

          • Fleshrifle

            Wow…
            1. what was dismantled?
            2. Are you saying we’re waxing nostalgic over a SCGWG that is less than 3 weeks old?
            3. Why is an American flag behind Keenan? Isn’t he in the KHL now?

            [edit: It's not an American flag...so 3. Why isn't it an American flag behind Keenan?]

          • Waylon

            Please don’t respond with any coherent thoughts or reasoning with regards to our resident Troll. For background information you can do a search for posts from “Kevin” or “Igmar Bergman,” which was his previously – banned name. However, feel free to make fun of him as you wish, as we all do.

          • Fleshrifle

            Thanks for the PSA Waylon.

          • 1benmenno

            The moar you know.

          • Waylon

            and always remember, Mike Keenan would have won at least twelve cups if he hadn’t been fired by the Hawks, and is the acknowledged intergalactic hockey warrior for the ages.

          • Accipiter

            You know, Kevin, you’re what the French call les incompetents.

            Linnie McCallister

          • Kevin

            Are we on a first name basis, now?

          • Accipiter

            I’ve been calling you Kevin since day one, Keenan.

          • Z-man19

            your gonna get as much mileage out of that as you can aren’t you? Not that I mind in the least

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Oh no, there’s more than one of him?

      • Kevin

        You’re right on the money. Good analysis of that play. I like all angles of the game winning goal, actually.

    • red palace

      …254…255…256…257…

    • G Man

      Interesting, but useless thing to ponder…

      If Fro’s fantastic redirect goes in, instead of the post, is he still a Hawk next year? I understand why all of the others have had to move along, but I think his $ was reasonable. And his role as a strong PK/ defensive forward was a great new discovery of the 12/13 season.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      You can clearly see how Rask was sliding to his left to glove the puck (which wasn’t even on goal) and lost his net. Meanwhile Boychuk gets mesmersized by Fro’s deflection off the post and gets ratted by Rat.

  • Z-man19
    • ChicagoNativeSon

      Where’s Khabi??

      • Fleshrifle

        Stocking up on Stoli.

      • Z-man19

        no Khabi, there is a Khudo though

        • lizmcneill

          Stannnn, why did you not go for Khudobin? Half the price of Khabi, unlikely to be worse than Khabi.

  • RossH

    THE BULIN WALL. I just really wanted to type that.

  • TheRealBBOX

    My only point of contention with Khabibulin’s signing is the price, $2M seems steep for him at this point. Makes me curious about Emery – if you’re willing to pay Khabi that kind of skrilla, you gotta think you’re willing to pay Emery that too, right? – but I suppose if he made starting his top priority, he had to go elsewhere.

    I still think any goalie playing for the Flyers next year is gonna wind up feeling bad about life though.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      I agree on the overpay. He seems like a could have been signed for less. As for Emery though, my initial reaction was the same as yours, but I think getting the chance to start as well as getting 2 years instead of 1 were probably the reasons why Emery went to Philly.

      It’s only one year and I’m not panicking or overly upset about this signing, but it’s my least favorite Bowman signing this offseason by a wide margin.

      • TheRealBBOX

        Ahhhh, didn’t know Emery got the second year from the Flyers, that makes more sense, though it also confirms my suspicion that the purported three-year deal some blog was reporting for Emery from the Blackhawks was completely baseless.

        I’ll give Emery a cap tip for his moxie for going from being a backup on an elite defensive team to being a starter on a horrible defensive team, but I suspect there’s gonna be lots of “grass ain’t always greener” moments for Razor in the next couple years.

        As for Khabibulin, this is probably the second-most annoying signing that Bowman’s made (Gorilla Salad is tops there for me) and it’s really only annoying in that I believe the Blackhawks could have gotten a comparable backup for half the cost. Since the Blackhawks are not pinned up against the salary cap the million bucks may not even matter, and hey, it ain’t my money. It just doesn’t feel like a great value. But if this is the worst move the Blackhawks make this offseason, I think they’ll alright.

        • lizmcneill

          Khudobin signed with the Canes for 800,000.

          • TheRealBBOX

            Yup, that’s the exact move I was thinking of, and I imagine there’s also some other competent backups that would have been available for less money. On the other hand, there’s a reason Stan Bowman is a two-time Stanley Cup winning GM and I’m just some dope posting comments on the internet, so there’s probably a reason for it.

        • Jim

          Don’t forget the Hawks know more about Emery than Philly. We never got a lot of detail about Emery’s injury, but he has a history, and a lot of mileage. I don’t believe he can start an 82 game season + multiple rounds of playoffs. Philly has a bad record with goalies, and they’ve done nothing here to disprove it. Emery is a great backup, legendary even. But not a durable starter.

          Khabi cut himself a good deal. Knew the goalie market, and had Stan by the ballz a bit, since everybody else was gone. What are you going to do? Gotta have a decent backup. (Case in point – Chicago Bears)

  • AMR

    Martin St. Pierre has signed with Montreal. He was the captain of the Icehogs

    • Accipiter

      Laaarmer’s guy.

      • Z-man19

        not anymore

        • ChicagoNativeSon

          Formerly laaarmer’s Guy, now Montreal’s .

          /french’d

  • Country_Bumpkin

    Are there really fans out there that don’t think Crawford has earned his right to start without question and that he’s not a top flight goalie? He bested Howard, Quick and Rask. What else does he have to do?

    • Fleshrifle

      Crow has to beat Mike Keenan in arm wrestling with his glove on…while playing hackeysack…and fighting Patrick Roy. Then maybe…just maybe, we won’t freak out about a backup goalie.

    • 10thMountainFire

      There are still people even here that claim this was Crow’s first ‘good season’. So the answer to your question is ‘ignore the fuck out of them.’

      • chichicagochi

        Because ‘good’ is an objective word

        • 10thMountainFire

          Only to those who lose the argument.

          • chichicagochi

            doing a great job ignoring dissenting opinion already

    • Jim

      Crawford was robbed of the Conn Smythe. He’s the Stanley Cup winning goalie. nuff said, nothing more to prove.

      “The Wall” is a decent backup. He’s an NHL goalie that will stop most of the pucks from going in, and make a brilliant save here and there, and not let in too many softies. I’m okay with it.

      I’m thinking Stan paid about 500K-1M too much because he wanted to jump on a sure thing rather than take a chance. Plus, like the article said, he can pawn him off mid season if the Rockford boys are showing promise.

    • cliffkoroll

      No. McClure has demolished a straw man.

  • Z-man19

    Blues sign Roy

    • Fleshrifle

      That sucks

      • Z-man19

        Derek Roy? 1 year, 4 mil. I’m not pushing any panic buttons. Blues still have to sign Pietrangelo and Stewart, some trades may be needed to clear cap space

        • Fleshrifle

          Anyone that brings those mouth-breathers any hope of offense doesn’t make me happy.

      • 10thMountainFire

        So does St. Louis.

        • Accipiter

          Marty is good.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I was referring to the city.

          • Accipiter

            I wasn’t.

          • 10thMountainFire

            As soon as you fall asleep, I’m going to punch you square in the face.

  • QCBlackhawk

    Any word on Kruger yet?

    • Z-man19

      he’s progressing nicely, no timetable

      • QCBlackhawk

        Balls!

  • 10thMountainFire

    I made the mistake of checking ESPN Chicago for a Hawks story… I clicked to read comments below another sport’s story and now I’m trying to wash my brain out with soap.

    • QCBlackhawk

      You never go full ESPN comments section.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Sometimes, I simply cannot resist. I see an NBA story and I say to myself, ‘just a peek. Just one peek.’

        After about three comments I’m ready to pack it in and surrender to whatever extra-terrestrial force seeks to take our planet away from us.

        • Fleshrifle

          You end up hating humanity fairly quickly. And then you need a shower.

          • 10thMountainFire

            With bleach.

  • Kevin

    The key question we need to ask ourselves right now is are we going to get the 2003 version of Khabibulin or the 2013 version him?

    • Fleshrifle

      Pretty sure in October 2013, we’ll have the 2013 version of him. Although, the Russians are developing time travel (just check out Putin..cat is a throwback to 1959).

    • 1benmenno

      The key question is why you replaced 1980s Keenan with a later version for your avatar.

      • Z-man19

        A very solid question, well done Ben

        • Accipiter

          Ben asks the tough questions.

          • 1benmenno

            Aw shucks.

          • Kevin

            Linnie, I was wondering if Z-man19 and you are the same person? Everytime you say something, Z-man 19 says something within seconds and vice versa. It’s okay to admit that you want to have a conversation with yourself.

          • Accipiter

            There are 15 people in this house and you’re the only one who has to make trouble.

            Kate McCallister

          • Z-man19

            I waited a minute and now I forgot what I was going to say, FUCK

          • 10thMountainFire

            You were going to say ‘FUCK’ in all caps?

          • Z-man19

            no, that wasn’t it. Accipiter posts another comment, it’ll come to me

          • Kevin

            I was only joking. I was kidding. I didn’t mean any of it and it all was in good jest.

            Can’t you take a joke?

          • QCBlackhawk

            I can see how an echo chamber wouldn’t seem as appealing as your soapbox grandstanding, but I’d tend to disagree.

      • Kevin

        I like Mike … at any time during his lifetime! :)

        Early Keenan (right after he was hired … the day of his first press conference) to vintage Mike on the Calgary bench. Remember his name.

        • Fleshrifle

          Knew it. Damn time traveler!

    • 10thMountainFire

      This statement annoyed me.

      • 1benmenno

        Aye. T’was its purpose, me thinks.

    • ChicagoNativeSon

      Just spitballin’ here, but I’m pretty sure we’ll get the 2013-14 version of him.

      • 1benmenno

        So does that mean we’re not getting the 2002 Hossa this year either?

        • Z-man19

          C’mon people, 2002 Hossa is gone, GONE. We will NEVER see another one AGAIN. Can we please start dealing with this reality

          • 1benmenno

            The key question we need to ask ourselves right now is . . . why aren’t you playing with your gumball collection?

          • Z-man19

            This is why you don’t ever get to keep the gumballs, you don’t play with them, you keep them safely hidden so they stay fresh and unmolested.

          • 1benmenno

            I want the 1979 Quenneville as a player-coach.

          • Z-man19

            no 1992 Keenan?

          • 1benmenno

            His gumballs are no longer fresh and have been molested.

          • Z-man19

            by Kevin

          • 1benmenno

            I don’t like to get into personal stuff here (strictly hockey talk is my preference) but yes. By Kevin.

  • Z-man19

    Skille to Beej on a 2 way

    • Accipiter

      That sounds perverse.

      • Fleshrifle

        It looks even worse

      • 10thMountainFire

        We don’t judge one another here.

        • Kevin

          Come again?

    • mightymikeD

      Who would have thunk, a year ago, that going to Columbus would be a move upward? Shit, if ends up in the A, he’s still on a better team than FLA

      • mightymikeD

        oh, and he’s completely terrible, too, of course.

        • Z-man19

          it’s the Beej mmd, they might just find a way to foul the whole thing up

          • mightymikeD

            it’s true.. despite having a GM who clearly knows his shit and some decent players.. they’re still Ver Beej

        • 10thMountainFire

          Well where the hell have you been?

          • mightymikeD

            drinking beer and watching Archer

          • QCBlackhawk

            You didn’t spill any, did you? Because if you want ants, that’s how you get ants.

          • mightymikeD

            I actually do want ants.

          • AirTrafficAJ

            Lana….Lana…..Lana….LANA!!!!

  • Kevin

    With the signings of Handzus, Rozsival, and Khabibulin, are the Hawks trying to field the “All Geritrol AARP Team?”

    • Fleshrifle

      They missed out on Alfredsson & Cullen. They just got the 2nd team All Geritol AARP.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Do you ever offer positive analysis of hockey-related topics or do you post smart-ass remarks designed to elicit facepalms from those here with hockey IQ and giggles from the chuckleheaded douchefuckers that troll us regularly?

      • Z-man19

        That’s it, right there^, that’s what I was trying to remember

      • mightymikeD

        I’ma find a way to get “chuckleheaded douchefucker” into the next performance review I have to do. Did I mention that I love you?

        • 10thMountainFire

          I love you more.

      • Kevin

        I actually thought my job was to provide a public service.

        I try to give an expert opinion on the state of our Blackhawks. Not everything is rosy and full of fake smiles. Sometimes the truth isn’t a nice picture all the time.

        • Fleshrifle

          That service you provide should be behind closed doors and between consenting adults.

          • QCBlackhawk

            I am not sure what the second person is doing in regards to spraying diarrhea everywhere in someone else’s space.

          • Waylon

            silly me, and here I thought his job was to fling poo from his cage. My bad.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Delusions of grandeur.

      • Kevin

        I was only joking. I was kidding. I didn’t mean any of it and it all was in good jest.

        Can’t ALL of you guys take a joke?

        • 1benmenno

          Keenan wouldn’t joke.

          • Z-man19

            another solid point

          • Kevin

            Do you even remember Mike Keenan?

          • Z-man19

            do you have balls?

          • Kevin

            Uh, how old are you?

            Don’t you think you are turning this thread into some X-Rated freak show? Have some decency, please.

          • 1benmenno

            Keenan had no sense of decency.

          • Kevin

            I’d hate to say it, but it was Keenan who put the Hawks on the map in 1992 (Stanley Cup Finals). Who’s to say that if it weren’t for Mike these recent Stanley Cups would have never have happened.

            The reason why? Keenan gave the Hawks credibility and respectability in an era when the Hawks needed it. History is our greatest teacher. Remember his name!

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’d hate to say it, but it was Jeremy Roenick, Ed Belfour, Chris Chelios, and Steve Larmer who put the Hawks on the map in 1992 (Stanley Cup Finals)*

            There you go. All fixed.

          • Z-man19

            you didn’t answer the question

          • 1benmenno

            ha.

          • Kevin

            What question?

          • Waylon

            religious nutbag says what?

          • Waylon

            yes, we must think of the children. Also, Crow.

          • Kevin

            I will never be able to forgive Crow for what he did at the parade. I hope God can forgive him. That was so blasphemous and foul mouthed that I don’t know if I could respect him ever again.

          • Waylon

            he should visit your house and beg your forgiveness, no question about it. Also, Bolland.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You make me want to hurt things.

          • CozBullsFan

            Step away from the puppies!

          • Kevin

            Stay away from sharp objects! — I’m joking. You guys can’t take a joke. And no, I’m not trying to see how far I can take a joke before you cry uncle. I’m only kidding. Get it?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Rest assured that no one thinks of you anything other than a consistent, throbbing joke.

          • Z-man19

            I love you

          • 10thMountainFire

            I love you more.

          • flahawkfan

            Keenan has never said a curse word. Ever.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Well, if you don’t appreciate our language you could always, you know… piss the fuck off and stuff.

        • 10thMountainFire

          You’re right: it’s not you… it’s everyone else.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            So we should start calling Kevin “Costanza”?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Well the JERK STORE called and they’re all out of YOU!

      • Kevin

        Really man. Let’s keep it positive. No need to call people names.

        • 10thMountainFire

          He’s something positive: I don’t place much stock in what you post.

    • Accipiter

      Spot on analysis, Kev.

      To quote the great Moe Szyslak, “Call this an unfair generalization if you must, but old people are no good at everything.”

  • Kevin

    Hey Stan,

    Are Jaromír Jágr, Doug Weight, and Craig Conroy available? We really would like to get our over 40 line in. Oh, nice job getting our over 35 line in place.

    Your friend,

    Mike

    • 1benmenno

      Can you make the same point again? I didn’t get it the first three times.

      • QCBlackhawk

        He only got 2 downvotes the last time he said it, I think he’s trying for more.

        • 1benmenno

          I will oblige him.

      • Waylon

        he’s just kidding, you guys!

        THAT’S THE JOKE.

    • QCBlackhawk

      Let’s get more mad and ass chapped right after our second cup in 4 years, because the management is clearly doing some shit wrong. Amirite?

      • mightymikeD

        well, obviously we’re going to do that because, you know, Hockey fans and all that…

        • Z-man19

          there’s hockey fans and then there’s chucklehead…. damn it, I can’t even type it without laughing my ass off

          • mightymikeD

            heh

  • mightymikeD

    This got asked on Twitter, so I’ll drop it in here..

    Do any of you sneakily hope that Detroit & Ver Beej kick ass in their respective conferences next year just for the sheer “West Is Best” of it all? I kind of do

    • 1benmenno

      I kind of do too. I live in Don Cherry’s hometown, the heart of Leafs Nation (and the Canadian branch of Bruins Nation), and am sick and tired of the EC>WC talk.

      • Z-man19

        I guess that’s the nice part of where I live, no one knows shit about it

        • 1benmenno

          Iowa a neutral state, like Switzerland?

          • mightymikeD

            less Nazi Gold, though.

          • 1benmenno

            Not much Nazi gold in Iowa. Indiana OTOH.

          • Z-man19

            birthplace of the KKK so it wouldn’t surprise me

          • 1benmenno

            The KKK doesn’t like it when you use Yiddish words like “bubkus”.

          • Z-man19

            I’m guessing most homegrown KKK dipshits don’t know what Yiddish means

          • Z-man19

            Iowa?

          • 1benmenno

            I meant Indiana.

          • Z-man19

            I have a blackhawks hat I wear quite a bit, I’m guessing most people don’t have any clue it’s a hockey hat, A few people will ask me if I like hockey, after about 30 seconds of conversation, it’s pretty clear they know bubkus about it

          • mightymikeD

            on the subject of hats.. there’s been a sudden proliferation of (unlicensed) NHL flat-billed caps around London. Worn by Homeboys and Skate/Emo Assholes. Twice during the Playoffs I had someone in a Hawks cap come up to the register. Asked them what they thought of the Hawks run. Of course.

          • 10thMountainFire

            If one does not bend the bill on one’s hat, one is a terrorist.

          • mightymikeD

            I actually said similar to one. He said “Oh, I’m not a Hockey Fan, I just like the logo” I said “I know you’re not: you’re wearing a flat-bill” Not a Hockey Fan=Al-Qaeda

          • 10thMountainFire

            I love you so much. My passport says ‘American’ but it only gives me passage to your heart.

          • chichicagochi

            lol fashion tips from people who wear sports gear, this is grand.

          • 10thMountainFire

            My tailor politely advises you to stop.

          • chichicagochi

            Your Blackhawk’s jersey tailor? You mean the immigrant lady who runs the dry cleaner?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I get mostly “Redskins?” for my hat that has only a vintage-y indianhead on it. Seems like quite a few people followed up with a “They’re doing great this year” after I said “No, Blackhawks”.

          • CozBullsFan

            ISU alum here! Go Cyclones!

      • CozBullsFan

        The first thing I did after we won was lean back and laugh. Everyone who said the EC was better and said the Bruins would dominate us all looked like fools. It was real justice porn.

        • 1benmenno

          When you said “justice porn”, why did I suddenly flash on Judge Judy?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            MY MIND’S EYE! THE HORROR!

          • Z-man19

            You’ve been in prison too long

          • 1benmenno

            Oh yeah, Z-man? You’re the one always going on about Judge Wapner.
            Wait, no, that was R-man.

          • CozBullsFan

            Judge Judy is the law and she gives no fucks.

          • Stockroom Snail

            Wrong. Toews is law.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I do. Yesterday we were speaking of who we’d prefer to see in the post season and some of us mentioned Scum, BJs, Winnerpeg, and The Oil.

    • Z-man19

      I don’t know if I care that much about the East/West bullshit. It might be fun to watch Scum suck for a while. It wouldn’t bother me a bit to see the Beej do well there, say win the division or be top 3.

      • mightymikeD

        I’d laugh if the Beej upset Philly & WSH

        • 1benmenno

          I’d laugh but also feel badly for Emery.

          • Z-man19

            I have a feeling we’ll be feeling badly for Ray one way or another, Philly don’t do no D

          • mightymikeD

            I think Virgil spotted Philly Goaltending trapped in a fiery tomb somewhere in the 6th Circle of the Inferno. Dante threw batteries at it.

          • Z-man19

            this place is so much better than TV

          • mightymikeD

            Dante wasn’t even meant to be there that day (I’m so, so sorry)

          • 10thMountainFire

            You sound like an asshole! Jesus, nobody twisted your arm to be here today. You’re here of your own volition. You like to think the weight of the world rests on your shoulders. Like this place would fall apart if Dante wasn’t here. Jesus, you overcompensate for having what’s basically a monkey’s job. You push fucking buttons. Anybody can waltz in here and do our jobs. You… You’re so obsessed with making it seem so much more epic, so much more important than it really is. Christ, you work in a convenience store, Dante! And badly, I might add! I work in a shitty video store, badly as well.

          • mightymikeD

            Nice.

            Hey, let’s teach a course on Medieval Italian Literature at some small College, using Clerks as the main text. Tenure, Co-Eds, potential Nobel Prizes. Ours for the taking

          • 10thMountainFire

            I took Italian in college. This could work, actually.

            Nobel would close down the entire enterprise if they gave one to you and I.

          • mightymikeD

            they gave a Peace Prize to Henry Kissinger. Those Norwegians have a sense of humour.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I just upboated the SHIT out of you!

            Sincerely,

            A Christopher Hitchens fan

          • mightymikeD

            and i thought I ripped that joke off Iain Banks..

          • 1benmenno

            the late great Iain Banks/
            sobs

          • mightymikeD

            aye. He’s awa the Craw Rud

          • 10thMountainFire

            Hitch wrote ‘The Trials of Henry Kissinger’ and essentially became the bane of Kissinger’s existence for a few years. Good stories on that, actually.

          • mightymikeD

            I should read more Hitchens. Project for the summer

          • 10thMountainFire

            I do miss him. Tonight, a glass of Johnnie Walker Black for the fallen man.

          • 1benmenno

            One of my fave Hitchen’s lines (re Norman Podhoretz): “the engulfing, mandible-destroying blowjob that [Podhoretz] bestowed on Ronald Reagan.”

          • 10thMountainFire

            That would be extraordinary if it wasn’t… The Hitch.

          • Kevin

            I don’t like to get into personal stuff here (my preference is only hockey related matters!), but what is this worship for a dead Atheist?

          • 1benmenno

            I don’t like to get into personal stuff here but what’s with the engulfing, mandible-destroying blowjob you continue to bestow on Mike Keenan?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Unrequited love?

          • 1benmenno

            As Groucho Marx once said, “I love my cigar. But once in awhile I take it out of my mouth.”

          • 10thMountainFire

            You can stop speaking to me now.

          • Z-man19

            like I was saying

          • Joe Banks

            As Muhsin Muhammad would say, “Philly is where goalies go to die”.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Don’t feel bad for Razor. He wont’ be in Philly at this time next year, anyway.

            Unless Philadelphia suddenly is authorized to print their own money.

          • Waylon

            I actually think that if he’s asked to start a full season then those bionic hips will eventually go full tilt. Hope it doesn’t happen – I think I remember reading that it took him almost two hours before gametime to get those things ready.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yeah. He’s going to be hurting when he’s 50.

          • mightymikeD

            Sweet that he’s going to make some more $$$ to help with that (inevitable) pain. Plus insane recovery from something that could have left him like Kane in Madison

          • 10thMountainFire

            With a photo of himself on his own shirt on Cinco de Mayo?

          • mightymikeD

            legless

          • DesertHawk

            But his name’ll be on the cup.

    • Marian Brossa

      It’s a different question, but am I the only one who kind of liked segregating the conferences this year? It kind of gave a credibility and excitement to the finals in an old school World Series kind of way. As an east coaster it meant I had to trek to Nashville for my Hawks fix, but I like a bit of conference rivalry.

  • 1benmenno

    You know who’s really old? Scotty Bowman

    • Z-man19

      did we sign him?

      • 1benmenno

        I don’t know what that means. I’m just saying he’s an old guy. Because being old is funny.

        • Z-man19

          What does Wilford Brimley do for you?

          • 1benmenno

            I . . . can’t . . . type . . . laffing . . . too . . . hard . . .

        • Joe Banks

          Get off my lawn!!!

      • Kevin

        Yeah. I think he’s on the second line, now.

  • mightymikeD

    Right. 2.40am. mmD out. Later, taters

    • QCBlackhawk

      Taters… Irish.. HAH

    • 10thMountainFire

      After a while, crocodile.

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    Mostly everybody here’s mostly so nice and funny mostly. Sometimes it’s fun reading the things.

    • Z-man19

      Have you really given PM the authority to wager your GB’s?

  • VerStig

    OT, and I don’t know why, but I found it amusing that there is a taxi driver named “Paddy Kane”:
    http://travel.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/travel/following-game-of-thrones-to-belfast-and-beyond.html
    (about 2/3 of the way down the article)

  • 2883

    After Stan re-signs Kruger, and he will…. it’s going to be a long summer of my discontent until October.

    • CozBullsFan

      I’m already suffering from withdrawals of no hockey, but my liver is looking forward to a well deserved respite.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        Even my wife is saying: I miss hockey.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by this goal of Rat.

    • jackattack

      I really want to hear a compelling argument for what Stan should have done differently. It was clear 2 weeks ago that there was gonna be a youth movement. He was outright about it.

      • 10thMountainFire

        But… but… now we’re OLD!

      • 2883

        I have no issues with what Stan did.. Letting Stalberg walk was a good move, I understand the Emery move. I don’t like the Khabibulin sign, I thought you could have taken care of the backup role a LOT cheaper. (Raanta was 1.4) but say Hedberg or Knudobin? For cheaper.

  • 1benmenno

    T(oews)-Rex

    • Kevin

      That’s cool. They did that in 2010.

      The Hawks might as well leave that up because, with irony, they are trying to field an “all dinosaur” team. *chuckle, chuckle.

      • 10thMountainFire

        You make no sense whatsoever with your assertions that the Hawks roster is now somehow irrevocably old. And yet you insist on repeating your claim over and over…

        Additionally, mental health professionals will posit that consistently laughing at one’s own jokes is a sign of emotional imbalance.

        • Kevin

          Ya know, I think I made my point. I just think they are going in the wrong direction and I’m afraid where that may lead to.

          • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

            As long as you think it’s funny….

          • 10thMountainFire

            I think I made my point, too. Your point is shallow, overstated, and totally lacking any root in reality.

          • QCBlackhawk

            Mmm yes, Shallow *and* Pedantic.

          • Paul the Fossil

            Oh you’ve successfully made a point, for sure, but it’s not the one you think. And it’s not about the Blackhawks.

          • AirTrafficAJ

            Drinking and gateway drugs?

  • cliffkoroll

    Yeah, so I just read every one of these comments. 90%+ pure drivel.

    The cult of Stan here is one of the oddest phenomena I have ever come across.

    Dumb fucking signing. This doesn’t mean I hate Stan. I like Stan, but dumb fucking signing.

    • 10thMountainFire

      You didn’t think I was watching you just now. But I was.

    • Accipiter

      I’m not a fan of the signing either. I don’t know why Stan signed Khabi. I question some of the other signing he has made in the past, but also am not privy to any of the reasons this signing was made. Another wait and see.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I’m also taking a wait-and-see approach. My gut reaction was ‘bad signing’ but I’m not a general manager. Maybe he’s tuned into something none of us are privy to. Or maybe that’s wishful thinking. Either way, in the end it’s the back-up netminder. The cap hit sort of sucks in the general sense but what’s done is done. It is what it is.

    • lizmcneill

      Where are you seeing anyone happy about the signing? All I see are various levels of ‘bad idea’.

    • mightymikeD

      care to share your reasoning or are you just going to leave it at that?

      • cliffkoroll

        In short, you only play one goalie in the playoffs. For what the Hawks are looking for (30 games, 30-35 points) they should only be paying above league minimum for a development project. There are hundreds of goalies who can fill the bill.

        • 10thMountainFire

          But that still leaves the quandary of a long-term injury to your starting netminder… and conventional wisdom suggests that a (dare I say it) perennial contender like the Hawks, with a sustainable offense and blue line to off-set the loss of a starting goaltender would do better with a moderately more experienced back-up. This is not an argument for Khabi as much as it’s Devil’s Advocate…

          • Paul the Fossil

            All true but no such injury has yet occurred, and if it did would the Hawks be helpless to trade for or sign a veteran goalie on terms at least as good as Khabibulin’s? Not to mention that at age 40 or 41 this guy surely represents some of his own health risks…the logic of this signing is pretty elusive. Overall I remain a Stan Bowman fan but this is a headscratcher.

          • Why

            To answer your question, yes. At mid-season if you absolutely need a goaltender, it becomes very hard to trade for one without overpaying. You also have to assume whatever contract the guy is being paid.

            Khabibulin appears to be an insurance policy for Crawford and the Blackhawks Stanley Cup hopes. He was one of the few potential starters who was willing to sign a one year deal as a likely back-up. The Blackhawks probably had to slightly overpay to get him. I see the logic on this one.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Due to Crawford’s impeccable mechanics, he is immune to injury.

            /Mark Prior’d

          • Waylon

            but not steroid’d.

          • AirTrafficAJ

            As long as Dusty Baker isn’t the new Hawks goaltending coach…

    • rhodes

      No reason to think he won’t be a capable backup. But, the money they’re giving him compared to what other goalies have been getting make it a head scratcher. Not to mention, it calls into question what Stan was planning to do with Raanta when he signed him to his 1 year deal.

      • lizmcneill

        play him in Rock Vegas to let him get used to NHL sized ice and resign him if he’s good?

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Same situation as when we got Salak. People were set to go into the season with him as a back-up without any significant experience. So we signed Emery. That turned out well for us (granted, not for a full season). Same thing here … Raanta is a prospect, not a roster player.

        • rhodes

          Anyone know what kind of money Raanta got?

        • VerStig

          Maybe Stan was spooked by what happened to Salak? I guess that would make me want to be careful.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Definitely. Even without that, though, I just don’t think you can bring in a prospect at such a key position and expect him to be a back-up. A full-time AHL goalie, sure. Not ideal, but at least you have a sense … but a Euro league, as fine as they are, you have to be a bit more wary.

          • 1benmenno

            What did happen to Salak?

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Absolutely nothing.

          • VerStig

            I know it’s a Bleacher Report article (I never read those), but this one at least looks like it’s got the facts:
            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1224261-chicago-blackhawks-how-alexander-salak-went-from-hot-prospect-to-waiver-wire

          • 1benmenno

            Thanks. I’d completely forgotten about his meltdown.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      I think the signing is a bad one, but mostly because of the salary. There were other options for goalie, but truly not one of them would have instilled a greater calm in me. The 2 mil is ludicrous. These are the names Stan was looking at … I don’t think a single one is demonstrably or reliably better than Khabi (which is saying something).

      So for me, the anger lies in the salary Khabi will be earning, and the fact that Stan delayed too long, it seems, to make a decision.

      http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?year_id=2013&team_id=-1&position_id=G&fa_type_id=2

      • rhodes

        To add to your point, here’s the list of recent UFA goalie signings in order of average $$/yr. Khabibulin kind of stands out.

        Smith, Mike (Phoenix). $34M (6 @ $5.67M)
        Backstrom, Niklas (Minnesota). $10.25M (3 @ $3.42M)
        Nabokov, Evgeni (NY Islanders). $3.25 (1 @ $3.25M)
        Khabibulin, Nikolai (Chicago ). $2M (1 @ $2M)
        Emery, Ray (Philadelphia). $1.65M (1 @ $1.65M)
        Labarbera, Jason (Edmonton). $1M (1 @ $1M)
        Ellis, Dan (Dallas). $1.8M. (2 @ $900K)
        Khudobin, Anton (Carolina) $800K 1 $800K
        Nilstorp, Cristopher (Dallas). $725K (1 @ $725K)
        Desjardins, Cedrick (Tampa Bay). $650K (1 @ $650K)
        Lawson, Nathan (Ottawa). $650K (1 @ $650K)
        Danis, Yann (Philadelphia). $625K (1 @ $625K)
        Montoya, Al (Winnipeg). $601K (1 @ $601K)
        Johnson, Chad (Boston). $600K (1 @ $600K)
        MacIntyre, Drew (Toronto). $600K (1 @ $600K)
        McElhinney, Curtis (Columbus). $600K (1 @ $600K)

        • neo1978

          Khabi is at 1.7 with a possible 300K bonus. I think CC would have to get hurt though, for him to reach it.

          • flahawkfan

            Do you think Khabby has Jeff Gillooly lined up?

    • Why

      Given the situation the Blackhawks are in right now, I actually liked that signing. They can stay around the upper limit without any major problems. Khabby , for one year, doesn’t cause any major problems with the cap and, if Corey gets hurt, he’s capable of coming in and playing well. Meanwhile, if Corey had a problem playing with a capable back up, it would have been a problem last year. I like the signing.

  • Accipiter

    Apologies if someone posted it already.

    Rozsival’s cap hit is 2.2mil.

    • DesertHawk

      First I’ve seen of it.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Z-MAN IS NOTHING BUT A BIG JERK.

      • Accipiter

        Did someone lose another gumball ?

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Shut up. SHUT UP ALL OF YOU. I’ll mail gum, zman, if you send me an address. I can’t fly there for the express purpose of bet resolution.

          • Z-man19

            why don’t we wait til I’ve won all your gumballs, save on postage

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I bet three of them that I don’t lose any more of them.

          • Z-man19

            care to parlay that? Frogger hasn’t signed yet

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Okay. You go first this time. I’ve laid out the numbers each time so far.

            Edit: a double or nothing bet. Four or zero.

          • Z-man19

            If he signs for 1.5 mil (cap hit), no one wins and the three gumball bet above is a push and you still owe me 1.75 gumballs

            under 1.5 mil, you win back your 1.75 gumballs and I owe you 1.25 gumballs

            over 1.5 mil, you owe me 5.75 gumballs

            and before we finalize this bet, who am I betting with, Pastor Mathew or not Chico?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Nope. Can’t take that bet. I’ll have to cut my losses and mail 1.75. I think he easily tops 1.5.

            (This is isn’t Chico.)

          • Z-man19

            is this not Chico? and may I point out that I’m not the only asshole to add ‘master’ to your debater. I think this entitles me to my full gumball

          • 1benmenno

            Here. I saved you some prison wine. It’s got gum in it.

      • Z-man19

        A BIG JERK GUMBALL WINNAH, NO ONE LOVES WINNING GUMBALL MORE THAN I DO

      • 10thMountainFire

        Initially I was going to take issue with your assertion. But you swayed me towards your argument because you said it in all caps.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          I’m a good debater.

          • Z-man19

            closing in on your masters?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            You just lost one-quarter of your gum for that joke. I don’t care that it means I renege on a bet. Fair’s fair.

          • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

            A Master.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I hear you enjoy debating large groups of people.

          • 10thMountainFire

            He’s a master.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            A master mass-debater? Could this go any further? I heard tell of an old wily catfish in Altus Lake that was so large, no fishing line could haul him in, so he’d pretty much eat what he wanted, including whatever fishermen tried to lure him with. He was a mass-debaiter.

    • 10thMountainFire

      That’s a bit higher than I would prefer but the context of the position and his potential to fill a less-appreciated but no less important role has me accepting this without much bristling.

  • 10thMountainFire

    ‘This is to say nothing of the stir this will cause among those who still remain unconvinced of Corey Crawford, despite he and Khabibulin now boasting the same number of Cup rings.’

    Mr. McClure, I have found that in most cases it is impossible to convince ‘those who still remain unconvinced of Corey Crawford’ of anything beyond their own superficial understanding of hockey itself. The dirty truth is that the success of the last few years has bred a new layer of fans that don’t understand the sport and look to just one or two statistical categories and the smell-test in order to develop an opinion of a player’s performance. I would personally assert that if you cross-referenced those that consistently bleat that Jay Cutler is less-than worthy of the starting job behind center with those that claim Corey Crawford has had ‘one good season’ (2012-2013), you’ll find many of the same double-chinned names. The sheer insistence of many to believe Crow came out of nowhere this year is stifling. Hockey IQ and appreciation for complexity and nuance are inversely proportional to their rate of opinions for those dunderheads.

    In short, there are a lot of dumb, simpleminded motherfuckers in this town that have little understanding of the nuance of hockey (and other sports) but are capable of somehow monkey-fucking their way around a keyboard on the internet and a phone for talk radio. I don’t place a lot of value in the opinions of the ‘Kane should be dealt’, ‘Crawford sucks’, ‘this team is old now’ crowd. They’re plain fuckin dumb people. They’re better used for our amusement. But you knew this, anyway.

    • Joe Banks

      I went to the Phoenix game last year when the Hawks were eliminated.

      I will never forget the loooong walk to the parking lot with my son after the game. “Crawford sucks”, “we would of won if it weren’t for Crawford”, “we’ll be OK when we trade Crawford”… arrrggh!!!!

      As the Waco kid once said, ” You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are
      people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.”

      • 10thMountainFire

        I may be betraying some grand, cultish confidence in saying this but I’m a rebel so…:

        The truth is that many of us hockey fans sort of revel in the fact that our sport remains such an esoteric entity; we may bitch and whine about lack of coverage, etc but the truth is that we approach ‘our sport’ like many people approach their music: I will like it less if ‘those people’ start to enjoy it as well. Our enjoyment is partly rooted in the lack of understanding the largesse of the sports fan population has for ‘our sport’.

        • DesertHawk

          I don’t think I fall into this category. But your statement rings true with my experiences with a large percentage of fans.

      • 1benmenno

        (How many people here do you think have ever seen that movie? You and me, that’s who.)

        • LAHawksFan

          It’s twuuu….it’s twuuuu

          • 1benmenno

            Excuse me while I whip this out.

        • Z-man19

          Who hasn’t seen Blazzing Saddles?

          • 1benmenno

            First of all, it’s not Blazzing Saddles. It’s Blazzzing Saddles. Secondly, I will bet you all your gumballs that you don’t know how to spell.

          • Z-man19

            Canadian or English?

    • birdhead

      The dirty truth is that the success of the last few years has bred a new layer of fans that don’t understand the sport and look to just one or two statistical categories and the smell-test in order to develop an opinion of a player’s performance.

      hey man, that’s a perfect description of me and I love Crow, so like, don’t tar us all with the corey-hating brush. ;.;

      • 10thMountainFire

        I love you regardless.

    • SaadBuster

      A million times this. Bonus points for introducing “monkey-fucking” to my vocabulary.

  • Wowwowweewoo

    Since we have nothing else to talk about- how about to Teuvo in prospect camp? Concerns? Also, if you compare Danault’s measurables a on his draft profile vs camp listing… Wow, this kid may have to get called up from the Rock this year.

    • Joe Banks

      I think Danault has a shot this year. His skillset matches the Hawks needs quite well.

    • mad-hatter

      TT isn’t on the prospect camp roster.

      • birdhead

        yeah, I think that was the point (“to”–>”no”). why isn’t he? would he be expected to be?

        • mad-hatter

          oops didn’t read that as a typo the first time around. I’d assume travel reasons as to why he wouldn’t be there. But he’s 19 and had two great seasons over in Sweden, so now is about the time he should start adapting to the North American/Pro game especially because there are a number of open spots on the Hogs’ roster. But not going to prospect camp doesn’t mean he won’t be in Rockford come September.

          • Accipiter

            Sweden ?

          • mad-hatter

            He didn’t play there? Damn. I always just default there when a player is over in Europe.

          • Accipiter

            Jokerit in Finland.

          • mad-hatter

            Finland Finland Finland, that’s the country for me

          • The_FFF

            It’s so near to Russia, so far from Japan

          • Z-man19

            his national team is holding their camp this week as well, he’s attending that, I would assume, with the hawk’s blessings

          • neo1978

            Euro rules are different than here. At 19, he can come over and play in the AHL. If he was from N. America he would still be in juniors.

  • ChicagoNativeSon

    Everyone loves a goalie debate! In response to the comments about Philly be the place where goalies go to die and previous comments about Edmonton being the same…

    Until this past season, Philly goaltenders finished in the top half of the league in EV Sv%, every single year, since the 2006-07 season to present.

    I haven’t parsed out the data, but I’m pretty confident that Philly goaltending by that metric is top 5 in the league over that 5 year span.

    And looking at their “disastrous” 2013 season, Bryz was .907, Mason was .935 at EV. Combined they were .912 (league avg is about .920). So not that terrible – especially when you compare it to, until this year, one of the places goalies apparently do go to die, Chicago.

    In 2012, Crow (.915) and Emery (.899) combined for an EV Sv% of .909, worse than Philly’s .912 this past season. In 2013, with the same system and same cast of characters aside from a few bottom line changes, no way those two guys could possibly improve, amiright? (I was admittedly a doubter too. Way to go, Ray and Corey)

    And in Edmonton, another place where goalies supposedly go to die, EV Sv% has been near or above league avg since 2007. This past season, their goalies’ combined EV Sv% was near the top of the league at .925.

    Another team, Washington – that must play some sort of incredible defensive system – has had some of the best goaltending Sv%’s in the league for the past 5 years, even though their defensive numbers are nearly identical to Edmonton’s every season.

    If only, only, we could figure out why this is? If only there was something staring us in the face to explain this. Something like “goalie Sv% is mostly independent of the defense or team system.” But alas, the grail continues to elude us…

    • VerStig

      I think it’s also worth mentioning that in a given season goalie Sv% can vary a lot. At least, that’s what I’m taking away from your stats.

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        Yeah, and for many possible reasons. Aside from 1 season being a small sample size, I believe goalies, more than any other position, are affected by confidence and adjustments in their game.

        • putmeinthemadhouse
          • neo1978

            I think it was Why that asked for links on shot quality. That article had a number of them in it. And of course the links in the linked articles did as well.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Thanks for the link. I haven’t checked out the linked links yet, but I’d bet I’ve read a number of them. Might be a good article to bookmark just for the quick reference.

            I’m about 5 paragraphs in and already chuckling, esp at this:
            GAA is not and should not be a goalie statistic. GAA is merely SV% x SA/GP, where the first one is predominantly controlled by the goaltender and the second by the team (the former being contrary to some people’s opinions).

            Oh, you don’t say!

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          I think it more apt to say that goalies (like baseball pitchers) have so many significant events in their regular play that it’s easier to notice the effects of changing confidence or adjustments.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      I agree with you, I really and truly do–again, really and truly–but “mostly independent of” is a suspicious way of phrasing things if you wish to discount variables or avoid misinterpretation.

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        I use “mostly independent” because I don’t for a second believe goaltenders’ Sv% is “completely independent” (nor “completely dependent” obviously) of team defense.

        I’m not trying to argue absolutes. I just don’t believe the effect is anywhere near the extent many seem to believe, despite strong evidence to the contrary.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Oh, I understand that … I just wanted to add/clarify for the inevitable arguments that are going to follow in the but-you-said-this vein, where people didn’t read the important nuance.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Thank you for your service ;)
            IANCM, Canadian hero.

          • 1benmenno

            Try parting him from his gumballs.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            It appears pretty easy, actually … just ask me to bet.

          • 1benmenno

            I bet you’re out of gumballs. My hero.

          • Z-man19

            no he’s not, he was gonna bet me at least 4 gumballs

          • 1benmenno

            He’s not made of gumballs. Not Chico’s in hock to the Nova Scotia mob up to his eyeballs.

          • Z-man19

            that explains the Pastor Mathew routine

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            A hero knows no nationality. You can strike the “Canadian” and just type “my” from now on.

    • Joe Banks

      Wow. I really rub you the wrong way, don’t I?

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        LOL. Not in the slightest.

        But on the other hand, if you’re being literal, any rubbing by you would be just, wrong.

    • Why

      Another example of the problems with hockey stats, where 30 extra good chances every 1000 shots can drastically swing the numbers. The grail certainly eludes the statisticians. As for Crawford and Emery, this summer, the grail simply follows them to whatever city, town or hamlet they’d like it to go to.

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        Well, actually your example works well with some of the analysis I’ve seen, where at the extremes, shot quality/defense/luck/randomness/whatever you want to call it can have an effect of up to .07. But again that’s extreme and typically not the case.

        But, let’s say a team did indeed face 30 extra high quality chances/1000 SOG. It’s important to remember that very few quality shots actually go in. Even in shootouts, the highest of quality shots where no defenders are even present, goalies still prevent 65% of shots.

        So let’s say these are high quality game situation shots, a goalie is typically going to stop 80% of them, at least.

        That’s only an extra 6 goals per 1000 shots. That would drop a .920 Sv% down to a .914, or a .06 effect.

        And that extra 6 goals/1000 SOG roughly equates to 15 extra goals over the course of a season. Annually the difference between the best and worst defensive teams is about 1.5 Goals per Game, or 125 Goals per Season.

        That 15 goals hardly makes a dent.

        What does make a huge dent though is shot rate. The worst defensive team typical gives up about 10 more shots per game than the best. That equates to nearly an extra goal per game, or about 75 goals over the course of the season.

        (I didn’t down vote you, btw)

        • neo1978

          Here is an important thing for people to understand. It isn’t even a 6 goal difference. It is closer to a 4 goal differences. Because the goalie still has to stop those 30 shots even if they aren’t high quality shots.

          So 30 shots stopped in the .940 to .950 save range is still around 1.5 to 1.8 goals. So this becomes closer to a 4 goal difference which is closer to a .05 effect.

          And looking at the lowest shot differential in the last three series, the Hawks had a 52.59% shot differential against the Bruins. So a thousand shots each becomes 1052 shots for the Hawks and 948 for the Bruins. Or at a .920 save percentage, 84 goals to 76. Which is an 8 goal swing on shot differential.

          Which is why stats people look at shooting/Corsi differential. It is the bigger number and it is sustainable. I’ve simply not seen teams maintain a 30 quality shot differential for even 1000 shots. Let alone maintaining that for every 1000 shots.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Good pickup there.

        • Why

          Chances are not created equal. Ask a goalie whether he’d rather face a breakaway or a one timer from the slot or a rebound that his defenceman got beat to. As my original point was on save percentage (and only save percentage), you’ll understand why the difference between 80% and 65% (or lower) on 30 shots is massive.

          But I suppose we’re back to shot quality as a whole and I’ve got to say, the reasoning seems sloppy. When it comes to shot amounts, you think it’s worthwhile to compare the top and bottom teams. When it comes to shot percentage, you don’t want to compare “the extremes.” The difference in shooting percentage between the Leafs and Senators was 4.5% this year. Toronto scored an extra 33 goals this year, despite taking 4/5 the amount of shots.

          This is the type of stuff that makes me a little bit loopy. It’s one thing to say that a team can’t sustain shot percentage. It’s another thing to pretend that things that happened (and happen every year) didn’t happen because your estimations suggest they’re not sustainable. Even if you’re right on sustainability, there remains enough variance in the types of shots a goalie can face in a year to drastically impact save percentage.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    The real problem with this team this year, is that despite some mid season success, they could not maintain a third period deficit.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Every franchise has its short-comings.

      • 1benmenno

        Every rose has its thorn.

    • jackattack

      That’s sort of always been a problem. But we won the Cup. So yeah.

      • DesertHawk

        Reread what he said.

        • jackattack

          Le sigh. I’ve been Shakespear’d. Right in the fucking penis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arVntQKbYZE

          • DesertHawk

            Happens to the best of us. If it’s not his prose it’s the hamster going for your eyes.

        • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

          :)

      • Z-man19

        uh, the hawks went into the 3rd period this past year with the lead 29 times and lost 3 of those games. If that is a problem, I’ll take more like them

        • 1benmenno

          Hush, you’re interfering with a media-driven narrative.

          • jackattack

            BUT BEN SMITH

          • 1benmenno

            I’m still hung up on Shakespear’d

        • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

          DEFICIT

          Geez, now I’m having to explain the jokes.

          Either I suck, or this is what I get for posting on a Sunday when everyone is sober. :(

          • Z-man19

            I got the joke STB, even sober

          • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

            You are a dog amongst puppies, Z

          • Z-man19

            I think you have that backwards

    • 1benmenno

      Don’t forget they peaked too soon.

    • 1benmenno

      And despite a tremendous amount of sex, they were frustratingly unable to finish.

  • jackattack

    CapGeeking it again.

    If we only include players who are under contract for next season who were regulars on last season’s roster, we have 18 players at $60,110,128. That means there is $4,572,372 of cap space to fill out the roster with 5 more players. Knowing that Stan wants to infuse youth into next season’s roster, this allows for a higher number for Kruger and maybe $900k-$1.1mil for a veteran UFA if they want one. So let’s give this a shot…

    CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

    FORWARDS
    Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
    Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Marcus Kruger ($1.400m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
    Brandon Saad ($0.894m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.578m) / Chad Larose ($1.100m)
    Jeremy Morin ($0.887m) / Michal Handzus ($1.000m) / Ben Smith ($0.563m)
    Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Brandon Pirri ($0.870m) /

    DEFENSEMEN
    Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
    Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
    Nick Leddy ($2.700m) / Michal Rozsival ($2.200m)
    Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m) /

    GOALTENDERS
    Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
    Nikolai Khabibulin ($2.000m)
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
    (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,929,295; BONUSES: $677,500
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $48,205

    • 2883

      We won’t go that close to the cap tbh…

      • jackattack

        Yeah. We definitely won’t. This was just another speculative attempt to give an idea of where we’re at. I’d really love for us to take a shot on Larose though.

        • lizmcneill

          Yep. You think there have to be backups who are 750K or 1M cheaper, which would be nice to have right now.

          Anyone know what happens to the cap hit if a player is in jail?

    • 10thMountainFire

      Pirri more likely than Frogger to start off at 2C…

      • lizmcneill

        I expect it to be a revolving door of Hogs, Frogs and Zuses, at least at the start.

  • Z-man19

    Scum jr reportedly shopping Halak

    • Waylon

      Methinks they’re getting quite desperate to add some more offense to that popgun attack.

      • Z-man19

        I’d say they are clearing cap space to sign what they have

    • 10thMountainFire

      Mmmmm back-up Halak. Good dish.

      • 1benmenno

        I want Halak and Salak on the same team just to fuck up the commentators.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      They waited too long. Philly already signed TWO goalies.

      • lizmcneill

        like that will stop them….

  • QCBlackhawk

    Kruger!?

    • lizmcneill

      ???

      • QCBlackhawk

        Why no news >:( They tendered a QO, but I haven’t heard anything else.

        • 2883

          I think a couple days ago Tracey Myers and Chris Kuc both tweeted a quote from Stan, saying “We’re close but not there yet”

        • lizmcneill

          Negotiating the term by what Lazerus, Kuc tweeted. “Getting close” on Friday, probably halted for the weekend. You scared me, thought he’d been offer-sheeted or something.

          • QCBlackhawk

            There’s a Flames blogger saying they should go after him… hope their office doesn’t agree

          • lizmcneill

            Meep. Appreciate Frogger all you like, other fans, but only once he’s signed for Chicago again. Hopefully it’ll happen tomorrow and we can all breathe a sigh of relief (and stop rosterbating because there will be like 500K of cap space left)

          • Fleshrifle

            I’d like to rosterbate for the next 2 months. Otherwise, I’m stuck watching the Cubs and stressing about the Bears rebuilding.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Wait. There’s a Flames blogger?

          • lizmcneill

            bazinga!

          • cliffkoroll

            Just for perspective, among NHL forwards last year Kruger was #252 in TOI and tied for #239 in scoring. I understand there are other aspects to his game, but…

            I feel like there’s some sort of cognitive bias that causes fans, who are familiar with their own players but less familiar with the wider world, to suffer unnecessary anxiety around such issues.

          • Why

            We like our people and I want Bolland back. So in answer to your second paragraph, you’re probably right.

  • Preacher

    So yesterday I posted on here that I was on a bus with 50 high school kids driving back to Wisconsin from Texas, and I was reading this blog. The bus broke down in Kansas and we didn’t get back home until 3am this morning. I DID go to work this morning, and what did I talk about? The Blackhawks, of course! And every single Sunday until the banner is raised, I will bring the Blackhawks into every service I lead. (And I had two people in my church give me the SI that included the Hawks’ Cup win. I’m making all sorts of converts!)

    • Fleshrifle

      Glad the bus ride was fun (or at least eventful) Preacher. You’re a more patient man that I could ever be.

      • Preacher

        After 9 days with those kids and failing air conditioning, the bus smelled like feet. It was …interesting.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Having been a kid on many of those high school church bus rides, you might should put some chaperons in the back…

      • 1benmenno

        I can imagine you as a badass Baptist. If you turned out to be raised Episcopalian, I got you and Texas all wrong.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Close-ish. CoC, who happen to have the distinction of being both boring AND boring.

          • 1benmenno

            Church of . . . ?

          • The_FFF

            Cthulhu

          • 1benmenno

            H.P. Lovecraft had a church?
            /shivers

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            had?

          • 1benmenno
          • bizarrohairhelmet

            “The first Church of Christ in Texas was a church on wheels begun by Mansell W. Matthews”

            Heals on Wheels?

            I’ll show myself out…

          • 1benmenno

            I have a book for you. Seriously, for you.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            does it come with pictures that move and actors that may speak or demonstrate the words in the book? Gotta fit it in my catching up on s03 GoT.

          • 1benmenno

            If you mean a pop-up book, yes.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            A pop-up book with sound? Dibs.

          • 1benmenno

            They call me Mr. Dibs. Actually, Dr. Dibs. And the book I have for you will reveal to you the thing you always suspected: there are religions even more ridiculous and embarrassing than the one you were raised up on.

          • Z-man19

            Christ

          • 1benmenno

            Thanks, Mr. Obvious.

          • Z-man19

            Could be Collins as well

          • 1benmenno

            Church of Collins?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Definitely. Disciples of Christ are splitters.

          • 1benmenno

            I heard those bastards don’t fuck standing up because it might lead to dancing.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            That’s true, but only the bastard ones.

          • 1benmenno

            So: do you wanna dance?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            After 15 years of marriage, I’ve forgotten what dancing is…

          • 1benmenno

            Dude, move to Austin.

          • birdhead

            isn’t that the one that’s anti-music? (in church services I mean.) that’s rough.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            singing is still pretty much music, unless you’re Lou Reed or Rene Rancourt. They are against musical instruments, however, because I think they believe singing off-key and without much rhythm keeps one more focused on the song’s message. In a way I kind of agree, but only in the way that it would be harder to focus on the message if you are contending with both off-key singing and crappy musicianship. As a life-long musician, there are some musical relations that affect me with profound understandings and realizations about life in ways no words will ever be able to describe, so…whatevs.

          • Preacher

            I love all kinds of music, but lately I find myself partial to a little band known as the Fratellis. They only really have one hit, but it’s REALLY catchy. And popular.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            few songs bring so much joy in such short time

          • 1benmenno

            Tell me more of this monkish sect referred to as the Fratellis.

          • The_FFF

            Musical instruments weren’t allowed (maybe still aren’t, not altogether sure) in the Russian Orthodox church. As a result, they developed a really rich choral tradition. If you like (or are interested in) sacred choral music, do yourself a favor and check out late 19th/early 20th century Russian church music. Kastalsky’s and Rachmaninov’s All-Night Vigil sets are particular favorites of mine. <waves to Badgerdano>

          • 1benmenno

            Same with certain sects of Mennonites. For some, thankfully not mine, the only voice God wanted to hear was the unadulterated human one.
            I play drums.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Some day we’re going to figure out the intercontinental live music participation thing and build this dream EMO band of yours. I think MMD plays bass, I play guitar/keys/whatevs the way Nazi’s choose Holy Grails, birdie plays and /or sings and I recall many others here being able to hurt animals on cue. We’ll know we’ve made it when our songs are quoted in a GDT by Fels.

          • 1benmenno

            I like the idea but why EMO? I thought it was going to be prog-rock. Ok, you pick a name and I’ll decide.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Prog Rock, eh? The Jabberwirtzy?

          • 1benmenno

            Mennonites learned their choral tradition from the Russians.

          • birdhead

            I am incredibly secular and also a life-long musician and I have to say that the only times I’ve ever experienced religious feelings have been through playing and experiencing religious music (partly because, well, various churches have funded some truly incredible music over the last … forever, really). but, on the other hand, I suppose I prefer the honesty of message there to the here’s-a-bouncy-pop-song-let’s-get-excited-about-Jesus!!!!! you get in some modern congregations (my background is Presbytarian. we’re horribly cynical about exciting church services. not to impugn the way anyone worships, or anything).

          • 1benmenno

            Are you a Christian child? Man, I am tonight.

          • Z-man19

            Walking in Memphis are you?

          • 1benmenno

            Beal Street and me are like buddies.

          • 1benmenno

            Not with Cher. With Marc Cohn. And W.C. Handy.

          • Z-man19

            Cher, seriously? Yes, Marc Cohn

          • 10thMountainFire

            Lou Reed reference: 500 points.

            Because I have Pale Blue Eyes.

          • 1benmenno

            I just wrote a long reply that Disqus fucked up, and now it’s gone and I’ll never reproduce it. I know of this relationship you speak of.

          • 1benmenno

            Spake.

          • cliffkoroll

            spaketh?

          • 1benmenno

            Thou raiseth a good point

    • 10thMountainFire

      I’m a lost cause, Padre… but you do go on beating the drum for the Hawks for me!

      • Preacher

        I actually have people watching the Hawks now, just because I talk about them so much in church. Today when I brought out my red Playoff towel I got from game 1 against the Scum as part of my children’s message, one guy in the church started applauding.

        • 10thMountainFire

          You’re converting the masses. Job well done.

          • Preacher

            The guy’s aunt has season tickets and his son was at the parade. Also a big UND guy so he likes Toews.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Everyone likes Toews. He’s Jonathan Toews.

  • 2883

    Probably already mentioned but Rozsival’s contract was 2 @ 2.2. A slight bump to his 2 mil salary from last year. He was victimized during the Red Wings series but looked really stable other than that. Was a really solid piece to the puzzle this season. Hope he can continue being that piece.

    • jackattack

      The raise doesn’t bother me too much. I can’t think of many guys in the league who are a better 6D than Rozy.

      • 2883

        I’m not bothered either. I just worry that Rozy’s getting up there in terms of hockey years and he might not be as effective in year 2 of the deal or something. I’m still good with it… Really glad he’s back

        • jackattack

          If he regresses, he’ll be a 7D in the second year of his deal once Banksy’s is done.

  • Fleshrifle

    Who is the goalie coach? Is Khabi being groomed for this? At 40/41 it would be a smooth transition in the next year or two from backup to coach. Although I prefer Tretiak (always).

    • jackattack

      Until it’s actually suggested, I would simply look at this as a backup signing for a year.

      • Fleshrifle

        Can I make up innuendos and rumors – Khabi to Goalie Player/Coach?
        Let’s see…worst possible organ-i-zation hires:
        Tim Thomas – Director of Social Media
        Susannah Collins – VP of Human Resources
        Donald Cherry – Consultant, Sensitivity Training
        Corey Crawford – Speechwriter
        Jamie Kompon – Special teams coordinator

        • QCBlackhawk

          I’m not super impressed with Kompon but I still don’t know why we blame him for the PP, it was dogshit garbage under Kitchen too.

          • Fleshrifle

            Like Kitchen…there never seemed to be any creativity or planning or attempt to try something different on the PP. I get that with the season the way it was it was difficult to practice and work on specifically PP issues. But for how bad it was this year, there didn’t seem to be an urgency to fix it. That lack of urgency was seen in sending out the same PP team, with the same tactics time and again. Perhaps a new year with longer training camps and more practice time during the year could help. But until then…Kompon gets the blame (Q doesn’t get a pass either).

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I have enough frustration to go around for both of them.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I would hire Crow as my speech writer.

          • DesertHawk

            I was going to say the same thing.

        • 1benmenno

          I would hire Susannah Collins for sensitivity training.

          • Z-man19

            She’s the sex planner

          • 1benmenno

            If she decides there’s been too much sex, a tad over a tremendous amount, she can just dress up like Don Cherry and that’ll shut everything down.

          • Z-man19

            I said planner, not participant

          • 1benmenno

            Fine, spoil it for me.

        • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

          Millbury: Head of Scouting
          McGuire: Analyst for a major network… Wait….

          • 10thMountainFire

            The fact that Pierre McGuire is employed by a major network to ‘analyze’ hockey is indicative of a need to nationalize television.

          • Preacher

            You’re forgetting Milbury. And Roenick.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Roenick is insufferable.

          • 1benmenno

            He liked Keenan.

    • MattC86

      Jesus no, no, no, no. To all of the above. Too bad Roy snapped up Francois Allaire; woulda been good for Corey.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Sign of a great franchise with a recent championship history: discussions in the weeks immediately following the latest championship turn to ‘goaltender coach’ in earnest.

      • 1benmenno

        I’m worried about our team psychologist’s psychologist replacement.

        • Z-man19

          stop worrying, they hired ballyb

          • 1benmenno

            I’m just gonna go get some Kool-Aid and make him drink it.

          • Z-man19

            better make it an IV

          • 1benmenno

            Aye, Z

          • 10thMountainFire

            i z

          • 1benmenno

            That’s what I said.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        This. Last year?

        2C, Goalie, 2C, 3rd Pair D, 2C, Goalie.

        This year: Assistant coach….

        • 10thMountainFire

          But…but… KITCHEN!!!

  • 10thMountainFire

    I think we can relax… Frogger isn’t going anywhere.

    Right? Right?

    Someone help me out here.

    • 1benmenno

      I got nuthin’ but Susannah Collins fantasies.

    • birdhead

      on the one hand, he’s not exactly a big exciting name with spectacular offensive production that might make him a target for an offer sheet.

      on the other hand, when in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. don’t relax, it just means the inevitable million-dollar offersheet from Philly won’t take you by surprise.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I still love you but you freaked me out there. Philadelphia apparently prints its own money now.

        • birdhead

          let me try again:

          don’t worry, Philly only overpays for bad players!

          • 10thMountainFire

            …and Razor.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Strike my previous reply… they didn’t overpay for Ray. They underpaid, actually.

          • birdhead

            exactly that. and an offer sheet is, almost by definition, an overpay. so. (I am rly sad to see Razor go, especially for LESS money than what Khabi is getting, but. sigh.)

          • 10thMountainFire

            I also really enjoyed Razor’s renaissance happening in our Fine City… he was like Bo Jackson The Sequel. Awesome guy, awesome story, shitty new city.

          • birdhead

            yeah, it was great, and I think it worked out super well for everyone because he was playing often enough to spell Crow but not so often he couldn’t be sheltered.

            Also, that one game against Calgary.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That single game in Calgary, for my own experience watching Hawks games, is up there with the absolute finest goaltending performances I have ever seen… Hawks or NON-Hawks. Absolutely amazing. It was a thrill to watch.

            And, of course, Hoss made it all worthwhile.

          • birdhead

            that play to tie it up was awesome. no panic, just patience. god, that was an amazing game. (which is hysterical because for about 55 minutes, I was complaining about that game being a putrid mess only redeemed by the incredible performance in goal.)

          • 10thMountainFire

            Because it WAS a putrid mess!

          • birdhead

            but the emotional payoff!!!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Because of The Hossa.

          • 1benmenno

            It was Bo Jackson redux. That’s why I root for him. Partly because I still mourn the potential that was Bo. He knows. You know.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Take a deep breath. This is not the time to panic. If you don’t hear anything by next Friday, THEN you can panic. :)

  • 1benmenno

    I can see Russia from my house. But it could be because I’m doing shrooms with Khabibulin.

    • 10thMountainFire

      …or Sarah Palin.

      • 1benmenno

        Khabi says she looks good in the right light. She’ll replace Susannah Collins as our next shoot-the-puck girl.

  • 1benmenno

    Bill Hicks. Never cared about hockey. Never sprouted a beard, as far as I know. But he was born in 1961. So me and Khabi Marsden are gonna raise a drink while we still can. Cheers and Ypa to y’all. To Bill Hicks.

  • 1benmenno

    Ok, now I can see Venus and Mars. That’s not Khabi’s fault.

  • SaadBuster

    This means I can start using this picture again. Be afraid Chicagoland Binny’s locations. Be very afraid.