Hawks Trade Bolland To Toronto For Three Picks

In news as shocking as finding out Mondays suck (for those of you with real jobs, at least), Dave Bolland found himself the center of a draft day trade to Toronto. The Hawks received the Leafs 2nd and 4th rounder this year and their 4th rounder next year, essentially recouping what they gave up for Johnny Oduya last year. The second round is where Stan might have done his best work, so getting that is a bonus (Saad, Clendening, Johns).

Bolland gets a chance to play for something of his hometown team, as he’s an Ontario boy. Bolland can also slot in behind Kadri and Grabovski in his comfortable #3 center role, at least until round moron Randy Carlyle inexplicably boxes Grabovski up despite all his plus possession numbers.

But most importantly, the Hawks clear $3.5 mildo in cap space without having to take anything in return. It puts a Bickell re-signing into a distinct possibility instead of a far-fetched dream as it was a couple weeks ago. It also gives the Hawks some room to play with to get a veteran or two to either play center or pair with Leddy on the bottom of the defense or whatever they see fit. That’s the biggest plus of the deal.

It makes sense, though there’s a part of all of us that is sad to see Bolland go and it doesn’t even have to do with his winning goal on Monday. But quite simply Bolland was given ample chance to prove to be more than he has been, and he didn’t take it. And he became awfully expensive for what he turned out to be.

I’ll have a more in-depth look at Bolland’s Hawks career tomorrow. For now, fare thee well, Fabulous Weapon. It’s been so much fun.

 

  • DaveM36

    I feel like there’s some deep resentment of the Leafs among Hawks fans more seasoned than I am. Is there any specific event that led Hawks fans to loathe the Leafs that I should be aware of before I hop on their bandwagon?

    • CozBullsFan

      They are my second team. I watched my first hockey game when I was 3 in TO.

    • Accipiter

      Used to be a great rivalry in the old Norris Division.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Well, the affront to the English language, for one. It’s LEAVES damn it!

    • lizmcneill

      For me, the Bruins are kinda my EC team, I hate everyone else in that division.

    • detroit must die

      A rather significant Norris Division rivalry. Other than that, its kind of hard to hold a lasting grudge against a team as monumentally incompetent as the Toronto Maple Leafs have been. I like Phil Kessel just cause the Boston Media hates him. Now I have more reason to pull for the leafs.

      • DaveM36

        Yeah, I think the recent futility of the Toronto franchise is going to overwhelm any hesitance I had in joining their bandwagon because of an old division rivalry. It’d be different if they were still in the same division, I suppose. But now that I can openly cheer for a team that’ll get to battle with Boston and Detroit regularly sounds great.

  • Research Analysis

    Brilliant move SB.

  • Joe Banks

    Sadness. – but I get it. Does anyone have that pic of shit blowing up behind him?
    That would make me feel better.
    So long RAT, you are awesome.
    So many fans of other teams have nightmares of Dave Bolland.

  • Marian Brossa

    I think this hurts for the same reasons that losing Ladd hurt.

    It feels like a “necessary” move right now, but a reasonable resigning of Bickell, the appropriate RFAs and maybe the aforementioned vet D-man or center could make this a great move. I trust the front office, let’s go out and win the next few weeks.

    • Why

      Dead on. The Blackhawks decided they couldn’t afford a very good player and they were probably right.

    • 2883

      I don’t see it being as painful as losing Ladd. Players are on different career trajectories…

      • Marian Brossa

        I’ll definitely concede that. I guess that the similarity is in that they were both
        1) unaffordable for the team in their role at the time, making all else irrelevant
        2) lingering inevitable goodbyes
        3) I feel as though both were “given a chance” that was sort of a sucker’s chance. In Ladd’s case, we were never going to be able to keep him, in Bollie’s case, he was never going to be the part we needed him to be, as Sam said. Damn, could he be fun to watch, though

        • Why

          Semantic thing but he was the player we needed him to be.

        • 2883

          Yeah… Ladd got near 5 mil, while it would’ve been nice to keep him we couldn’t have afforded him. That said, I saw Ladd developing into the guy he was today…

  • 2883

    Now that trade sucked… :(

  • Joe Banks

    Frolik to Jets??

  • Z-man19

    Fro to the jets

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Howsit? Huh?

    • pompoon

      Okay that I did not see coming

      • Accipiter

        He makes too much.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          That’s it, that’s all it is, plain and simple. Good team guy. Great team guy, actually.

          Frolik Navidad.

          • 2883

            It is, but it still hurts…

          • pompoon

            We’ll always have this:

            http://i.imgur.com/Y3MmKM0.gif

          • 2883

            And it’s still funny …

          • pompoon

            I will never stop laughing at that.

          • pompoon

            Yeah now that I actually stop to think about it, it makes sense. Still though, I liked that guy.

          • 2883

            He only made 2.33 mil… that’s approximately what I expect Leddy to get… if we give him a short term (2 years) deal.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            2.33 is a helluva lot for a 4th line PKer.

          • 2883

            I mean… yeah I guess but he provided a key scoring punch to the bottom 6.

          • 2883

            Does that mean Stalberg is going to stay?

          • Z-man19

            I’d be shocked

          • 10thMountainFire

            Hahahahahahahahahaha

            oh.

            Hahahahahahahahahaha

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            A fair perspective, but I don’t think Fro’s key scoring will be hard to find elsewhere. He’s had 3, 5, then 3 goals for us over his stint here.

          • Accipiter

            But the playoff PENALTY SHOTS !!!!!!

          • 10thMountainFire

            This man breaks groins.

          • Z-man19

            I will so miss those

          • Z-man19

            yes it is, this opens up the door for more moves than I had hoped or they are paying more for Bicks and Leddy than I hoped

          • 2883

            Stan’s said he won’t be out there signing top FA.

          • Z-man19

            trades?

          • 2883

            Who do you trade for?

          • Z-man19

            hell, I don’t know, I didn’t see the Fro trade coming.

          • 2883

            Haha… yeah well… yeah

          • Z-man19

            It either means they are going to pay Bicks and Leddy more than I had hoped or there’s something else in the works

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Hush hush on that second part about Bicks and Leddy.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I love Fro… he did an incredible- INCREDIBLE- job for us. But we have a lot of young talent in the pipeline for cheaper, freeing up room to extend Kaner, Marvel, et al and win another Cup. Good luck, Fro! Have fun up there with Laddy!

    • Why

      Needed to trade Frolik so we’d have the cap room to deal for a proven playoff center at the deadline whose contract is up. I vote Bolland.

  • Retire27

    Understand why but remember since 2009 almost all important OT playoff goals 36 was on the ice making something happen (just a random thought) Good Luck Dave

  • mightymikeD

    Bowman got more than I ever would have thought possible for Bolland.. and Toronto are going to be even more unpleasant to play against (enjoy that, Detroit)

    I’m going to miss Bolland.. not just as a player (although he’s been a shadow of himself this year) but also as my go-to guy when I need to write something funny. I could easily boost the rec content of a Fanpost on the old SCH by 100% by dropping in a “Bolland Is A Psycho” joke.

    Safe travels, you weird looking sociopath, you.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Considering Ginger and Kennedy got one pick each, well done, Stan.

      • Z-man19

        no shit

      • Why

        I guess. Ginger fetched the 9th overall pick. Kennedy fetched a slightly higher 2nd rounder.

  • guest

    what the holy fuck why would you trade fro AND bolland for nothing but late round picks in this draft oh my jesus is bolland worth ten fucking million or whatever it is he’s asking for aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah are we fucking rebooting or something?!

    • 10thMountainFire

      Blue pill in the morning, red pill in the afternoon. Drink with a full glass of water and avoid dairy products for 30 minutes afterward.

      • Z-man19

        god damn it’s good having you back

        • 10thMountainFire

          It’s great to BE back.

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    Leafs are my number two team … so I hate it and yet it makes the east games I watch all the better.

  • 2883

    Morin and Ben Smith might be on the 4th line next year…

    • Z-man19

      it’s gonna be an open tryout, whoever takes the reigns

    • 10thMountainFire

      Good.

      • 2883

        Or Bollig ;)

        • 10thMountainFire

          That isn’t even REMOTELY funny. But you get a solid upboat, anyway…

          • 2883

            Oh… it was uhh a joke then… yeah funny haha :)

          • 10thMountainFire

            Well done. I bow.

  • 10thMountainFire

    I was a huge Davie Bolland fan. He’s a great talent, a great luxury for the Leafs, and I’ll love watching him pester the league even out of an Indianhead sweater.

    I’m really sad to see him go, especially after winning us the Cup, but the handwriting was on every wall in the UC. Good luck Bollie! Kill the rest of the league for us!

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Gotta keep in mind he’s a UFA after next season. This was the time, but I will miss the Rat.

      • 10thMountainFire

        100% this.

  • Z-man19

    Hawks now have 13.5 mil in cap space

    • Accipiter

      2C ?

      • 10thMountainFire

        Stop that. Stop that right now.

      • 2883

        We already have him (2C) on our team. He’s like the most talked about Blackhawk that we have on our team..

        • Accipiter

          Miller ?

          • 2883

            Crow put a lid on the Miller talks…

          • lizmcneill

            so did Kaner. a bazillon points, a hat trick, a Conn Smythe and being not the most drunk person to speak at the parade. Our little disgrace done good.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Stop that. Stop that right now.

          • chichicagochi

            lol

        • lizmcneill

          Kaner? No. Please, not again, specially if he doesn’t have Gossamer on his wing.

          • 2883

            I don’t think you got my sarcasm… /joke…

      • Z-man19

        It’s in play now, don’t think it happens but it’s definitely in play

    • Why

      Can we assume that Raanta should be on the cap?

      • Z-man19

        yeah, probably. So 12 mil in cap space

        • Z-man19

          Hawk’s current roster and cap space

          FORWARDS
          Brandon Saad ($0.894m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
          Jeremy Morin ($0.887m) / Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
          Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.578m) / Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m)
          Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Ben Smith ($0.563m)
          DEFENSEMEN
          Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
          Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
          Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m) /
          GOALTENDERS
          Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
          ——
          CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
          (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
          SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $51,109,295; BONUSES: $355,000
          CAP SPACE (17-man roster): $13,545,705

          • 10thMountainFire

            Goddamn Brookbank.

          • Z-man19

            There’s still time

          • 10thMountainFire

            Touche.

          • Joe Banks

            So Carcillo don’t bother you?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yes, he does. Like herpes.

          • Z-man19

            you’re killing me

          • 10thMountainFire

            Hopefully, Gorilla Salad won’t kill us all next season.

          • Why

            At .825? Unless the Blackhawks are playing in the Swedish Elite League next season, I’m ok with that.

          • Kevin

            Good Deals:

            1. Saad
            2. Hjalmarrson
            3. Crawford (wash his mouth out with soap!)
            4. Shaw
            5. Keith
            6. Oduya

            Bad Deals:

            1. Toews (overpayed, but not overrated).
            2. Kane (trade him ASAP as we need cap space).
            3. Hossa
            4. Carcillo
            5. Brookbank
            6. Sharp (borderline as he’s commanding a bit too much money).

          • Accipiter

            Keenan.

  • BanjoLegs

    I’m suddenly remembering how great Jeremy Morin looked in the bottom six when he had a spot to play during the season. Hmmm.

    • 2883

      We’re gonna need him to be that good or better.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Jeremy Morin’s wrist shots cure polio.

    • detroit must die

      I’m very excited about Morin having a solid shot at an everyday slot on the roster.

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    Whither, center depth?

    • 10thMountainFire

      Patience, my son. The Stan is concentrating…

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        It is my right as a stupid fan to question everything the SCW GM has/is/will have done.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Absolutely. We all know it doesn’t matter if Stan acquires a 2C, anyway really because by the end of the first week that 2centerman will likely be playing something like LW on the fourth line…

          • CozBullsFan

            HAHAHAHA! This is true.

          • lizmcneill

            Just as long as the Kaner to 2C experiment is dead and buried. If it’s not, Kaner likely will be this time next year, center seemed to wear him out last year.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It’s Q. Is any line change EVER out of the question?

          • lizmcneill

            sadly not. Toews a fixture at 1C, Keith 1D is about all you can count on. And the goalies in goal.

          • mad-hatter

            Sharp to 2C apparently.

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    So … it’s SORTA like we traded Bolland and Frolik and got Oduya, two 4th rounders, a fifth rounder … and a Stanley Cup. Right? No really. Right?

    • 10thMountainFire

      I’m going to miss Bollie in an Indianhead but it was clearly time for him to move on to a better situation.

      • cliffkoroll

        sez you.

      • QCBlackhawk

        Agreed, he’s not very far from his hometown now, either.

    • cliffkoroll

      Yeah, I deserve that.

      • Z-man19

        So what’s your limit on what they pay Bicks, not pestering you, just curious

        • cliffkoroll

          $3 million. If Leddy signs in the low $2s, Stan will have lots of room to maneuver.

          If they pay Bickell more than Bolland, that’s just plain fucked-up thinking, IMO.

          Of course, room to maneuver is only worth what you do with it.

          • 10thMountainFire

            No one is going to give Bickell $3.3 million per. No way. At max the Hawks push to $2.75 before wishing him luck in his new digs.

          • Why

            I’d be shocked if it’s not at least 3.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Really? For Travis? No way the Hawks pay him $3 million per.

          • Z-man19

            I’m with Why, it’s 3 mil

          • 10thMountainFire

            I hope the Hawks say goodbye if it reaches $3 million. Bickell has been ‘great’ for all of one playoff season. Until then, he would have been lucky to get $2 million per.

          • laaarmer

            2.99 plus 1 mil signing boner

          • Z-man19

            I disagree, Bicks has been good for 2.5 years now. His role changed this year to a more offensive one. He did well on the checking line before that. He’ll have to continue his offensive production to justify 3 mil though

          • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ PowrFwd37

            The reports are that the Hawks gave him 4 per, for 4 years. The deal is already done.

          • Accipiter

            Ha !
            This is funny to me.
            (after the fact)

          • Z-man19

            I can agree with that for the most part, all depends on what Bicks does from here on and the rest of what you mentioned

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    frofro :(

  • Tommy

    Am I the only one who thinks the Havlat-Bolland-Ladd line was the most fun combination throughout he rebirth?

    • unknown operator

      +1

    • Accipiter

      No.

    • cliffkoroll

      I don’t know about ‘the most’ but the series against Calgary was an awesome re-introduction to playoff hockey, and that line killed it.

  • QCBlackhawk

    Bolly interview on tsn :o

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Hawks take Hayden in the third. http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=82101

    Director of NHL Central Scouting, Dan Marr:
    “John offers a power-forward game with good size and strength. He has good positioning and drives to the net displaying a nice scoring touch.”

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Chicago boys all over the place.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        hes a joe sakic idolizer as well.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          What’s with kids idolizing these glory-boy, flash-in-the-pan types?

  • Z-man19

    Any chance Stan signs Zus?

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      I just threw up all over my floor.

      • 10thMountainFire

        That’s not your floor. Go home. You’re drunk.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          I’m hoping it’s z-man’s floor for putting that thought into my head.

          • Z-man19

            you missed, might of gotten the neighbors though

      • Z-man19

        Sorry Chico, just asking, not hoping

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Not on the rug!…..Man!

        • Z-man19

          It really ties the room together

          • Accipiter

            See, you get in now.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      I was thinking Zus might retire now that he’s reached the summit.

      • 10thMountainFire

        This was also my thought.

      • mad-hatter

        He said at media day he wants to come back. Although if the Hawks can’t do it I wonder if he’ll retire then.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I would say ‘no’. I think we caught lightning in a bottle with Zus and he’s used up for our purposes. Or maybe that’s a ‘hope’ I’m expressing.

  • unknown operator

    May I suggest that we will see Danault make the jump to the big club much the same way Saad did?

    • 10thMountainFire

      Honestly… there is so much talent in the pipe for our boys that I can’t even guess who moves up next beyond Morin, Pirri, and maybe Smith. The rest are all shooting skyward as well. It’s great to be a Hawks fan.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      It’s a deep talent pool in Rock, that’s for sure.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      That’s a huge jump … I’d bet Danault is with Rockford unless something really odd happens. Saad was a pretty amazing and unlikely story.

      • 10thMountainFire

        ‘Saad IS a pretty amazing story’*

        Fixed it for you.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        saad was also supposed to be a much higher pick but injuries/illness derailed the last part of his season before the draft. caused him to fall quite a bit.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Which is odd because he fell in order that he soared to the top of Lord Stanley’s Cup.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          True, but even with the fall it was (is) quite the surprise. No one had him ready to jump into a full time NHL role, much less the role he ended up playing once he got here.

          • Accipiter

            I did.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Hoped or had? Don’t lie to me.

          • Accipiter

            I wanted him on the team from day 1, in the top 6. He did play better than I thought.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’ll confess … to my own dismay (truly), I was hoping Carello could be a player again … but I’ll give myself some credit: only for the bottom 6. I was almost right, I just picked the wrong player.

  • QCBlackhawk

    What the FUCK. Pizza Hut in Canada has a Poutine Pizza?! WANT!

    • 10thMountainFire

      Pizza Hut should not be authorized to use the word ‘pizza’ in its name.

      • QCBlackhawk

        But….POUTINE!

        • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

          Poutine Hut

          • QCBlackhawk

            Nom.

  • QCBlackhawk

    Lol Schneider sounds a little butthurt about not “spending the rest of my career in Vancouver”

    • Z-man19

      did Marty retire and I missed it or is Ginger backing up again?

      • AMR

        I assume Bordeur and Schneider will split the starts

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      He’s not sad about leaving Van. He’s afraid Marty is a vampire who will never grow old or retire.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Schneider should fix his groin and shut the fuck up.

      • QCBlackhawk

        Man, I was really hoping Lu was the one to get dealt, because I like him wayyyyy more.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Yeah, I did a 180 on Bobby Lu. Self-effacing and NOT a ginger…

          • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

            But there is still that contract.

          • 10thMountainFire

            …which explains why more effort was made to deal the Ginger instead of Lu.

          • Z-man19

            which makes so little sense to me, why did they give Ginger the #1 spot? Now they have to hope Lu isn’t too butt hurt to play for them

          • 10thMountainFire

            Because of the anarchists.

          • Why

            Well, he won’t have much of a choice. But from a confidence standpoint, haven’t you basically just told Luongo “We didn’t really want you that badly but nobody else did either”?

          • Z-man19

            Pretty much what I’m thinking, makes him the scapegoat if they suck, which is going to happen soon

          • laaarmer

            Torts is fucked.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Torts is a fucker.*

            Fixed it for you.

          • zacked

            Luongo’s not an idiot. He knows why’s he’s there still.

          • Why

            And he’s not happy about it, if you feel like reading anything into the reports.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Is anyone ever happy on the Canucks roster?

    • chichicagochi

      What? His statements sound like he ecstatic

      https://twitter.com/Ledger_NJDevils

      • QCBlackhawk

        The audio interview on TSN he sounded a little miffed to me, despite giving the diplomatic answers.

        • lizmcneill

          word is he heard either via the draft or like 10 minutes beforehand. Vancouver at its finest.

          • Why

            IIRC, somebody at TSN told him. He’s at a charity event for Boston bombing victims.

  • laaarmer

    What if The Rangers buy out Richards? I’m thinking something good.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Hmmmm. Take a flyer on that?

      • laaarmer

        I’m done now. It just came out.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Flush, then.

    • AMR

      They already said they won’t this off season.

    • Z-man19

      They held on to their buyout or that’s what they said anyway

  • AMR

    A lot of sons of NHL players are being selected in this draft

  • StealingHappyHour

    Pirri v. LeBlanc v. Danault v. Hayes v. Shaw v. Kruger battling for Center in training camp? Yeah, that’s going to be a lot of fun to watch.

    If it turns out they all suck – you wait to pounce on Colorado when they make a decision on Stastny/O’Reilly.

    Or you just win another Stanley Cup without a 2C entirely, again.

    • laaarmer

      Shaw and Kruger are locks.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Great minds…

      • StealingHappyHour

        I didn’t mean to imply those two guys weren’t locks. But they’re still out there battling. Danault and Pirri each have huge upside. I feel pretty good about Center right now.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Hayes? No.

      And no one is going to unseat Shaw or Frogger.

      I like Pirri and Morin to make the roster.

      • lizmcneill

        Pirri, Mo and Smith are my most likelies for next year. Stants if they need a #7 dman.

        • laaarmer

          Who you have at #6 d?

          • 10thMountainFire

            If the words ‘Sheldon’ and ‘Brookbank’ are typed, the terrorists win.

          • laaarmer

            I didn’t say that. I’m wondering what you all think for 6D?
            Leddy?
            #5 a new guy or Roz?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Were it up to me I look to Rockford first; I like Rosy but he may be less valuable next year with his aging. Is Olson a possibility?

            Leddy is 4 or 5 at lowest.

          • AMR

            Olson didn’t play well in Rockford so he would have to impress in training camp

          • zacked

            Olson sucks. I think it’s Stanton then Dahlbeck.

          • mad-hatter

            Stan’s name dropped Clendening a few times. With Frolik gone Rozsival looks pretty likely, though. I’d rather not see the accountant either.

          • Z-man19

            Rosz please, let moonpie play every 3rd game or so

          • 10thMountainFire

            I have no issue with Rosy coming back… I’m just a bit wary of his age and ‘Sopel syndrome’.

          • Z-man19

            gotta have someone keep his minutes down during the season

          • Accipiter

            He turns into a catfish ?

          • lizmcneill

            Hoping for Rozi back. Would really like it not to be Moonpie.

      • Z-man19

        I’m shocked by this

        • 10thMountainFire

          I know. I have shocked myself with that statement as well.

        • StealingHappyHour

          Shocked by what?

          • Z-man19

            XMF calling for Pirri and Morin, sarcasm

      • StealingHappyHour

        I only say Hayes because he was playing C down in Rockford.

  • 2883
    • roadhog

      Big boy. Goes to the net. Strong work ethic.

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    hartman looks fun.

  • 2883
    • DesertHawk

      All your links are bust :(

      • 2883

        Odd. I will try to fix after dinner

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        worked for me, just reload. the direct link doesnt work

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    subban is still there…

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Van snatched him up.

  • Ranjan

    Well written article. Will miss Bolland, but he was really a non-factor all season and for the first half of the playoffs. He did have some awesome games (especially defensively) in the latter part of the playoffs. Not sure why Bolland was taken off the penalty killing squad (although we did so well in the pk, that it’s tough to criticize). I’m glad that he goes to Toronto in the East … we won’t face him in the playoffs (I don’t see the Leafs making it to the finals).

    • lizmcneill

      LOLLeafs. Wish he had gone to a team I don’t hate.

  • cliffkoroll

    Bickell 4 years? $$?

    • Z-man19

      3 mil

      • cliffkoroll

        confirmed?

        • CozBullsFan

          Nothing confirmed yet.

          • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

            Signing confirmed, $ not confirmed but rumored 3 MM

          • CozBullsFan

            That’s what I meant to say.

        • Z-man19

          I’m off 1 mil

          • Accipiter

            He got 2 million right ? RIGHT ????

  • Ranjan

    Is Kyle Beach done as a Blackhawk prospect? He has some size, and an edge, but wasn’t even a black ace.

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      beach has been done forever. seems like we had this conversation the past 2 and now this off season.

      • VanDorp’sMullet

        Big bust. He was that kind of pick though… boom or bust. Sadly, it was the latter. I don’t think he could ever put it together mentally.

        • Ranjan

          Sad. He was a high pick … there were a lot of good players from that draft.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Yeah, it is sad, but luckily our system still has a ton of viable prospects.

          • zacked

            He was also a bad pick.

          • laaarmer

            But Dale….

    • CozBullsFan

      Yes, he’s no longer in the plans of the Hawks.

  • Ranjan

    Does anyone know what Frolik was traded for? Apparently, the Hawks sent him to Winnipeg. I would have rather kept Frolik and traded Kruger. Frolik is way better than Kruger in the playoffs.

    • roadhog

      D picks 74 and 134

      • Ranjan

        thanks!

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      nvm

    • lizmcneill

      Kruger is a center. We already moved Bolland. Plus Krugs will be the guts of a million cheaper than Fro, I’d guess.

  • CozBullsFan

    Bicks deal signed. 4 years.

    • AMR

      I wonder his salary is?

      • Why

        Duthie reported that the Blackhawks were looking at around 3 million per.

        • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

          That would be a home town discount.

          • cliffkoroll

            Yeah, it WOULD BE, wouldn’t it?

        • AMR

          That seems reasonable if its nearer 3 million

      • CozBullsFan

        Should know shortly.

    • Ranjan

      Excellent!!!

  • Why

    For those that don’t have the feed, Bickell signed to four year extension.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Why–are you watching online or on cable? If online, where can I stream?

      • Why

        TSN still covering it up here.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Any dollar amount?

      • Why

        None released yet.

    • Joe Banks

      Yes!

  • AMR

    bickell’s deal is reportedly 16 mill over 4 years

    • 10thMountainFire

      Wait… WHAT?

      If that’s true, that’s fucking outrageous.

    • Why

      Who is reporting that?

      • 10thMountainFire

        I hope that’s using the metric system or something.

      • AMR

        Pierre Lebrun and bob mckenzie

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          fffuck that means its right..

        • Why

          Thanks man. I trust Bob more than most of my family members.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Dear lord no…

    • AMR

      Per Lebrun: Bickell deal: $1 M bonus plus $2 M salary for next season. $4 M in 2014-15; $4.5 M each of last 2 yrs

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        so whats the cap hit

        • AMR

          4 million AAV

      • CozBullsFan

        That’s not bad at all actually. Cap goes up anyways.

        • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ PowrFwd37

          Cap goes DOWN 6 mil, next season.

          • bighurt

            Cap will go back up after next year

          • CozBullsFan

            Yes, cap down this coming year, up after that.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Holy fucking…

        Wow. I don’t like that one bit.

        • CozBullsFan

          It depends on his play. It seems he’s found his stride and a place he was destined for.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Like I said… one playoff season of about 30 games and he gets $4+ million for two years?

            I hope Stan is right about this because my spidey sense is blinking red.

          • Accipiter

            That’s the Bat Phone you idiot !!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Aw, shit! I missed the Joker AGAIN.

        • Accipiter

          TWSS.

    • Oregon_hawk

      gonna look good after next season when the cap goes up

  • Ranjan

    Vince Lecavalier is available.

  • Z-man19

    Here are the specifics

    Bickell deal: $1 M bonus plus $2 M salary for next season. $4 M in 2014-15; $4.5 M each of last 2 yrs

    • DesertHawk

      So what’s that mean to us non capgeeks?

      • AMR

        4 mill AAV

      • Z-man19

        Hawks have about 8 mil in cap space if you include Raanta as backup goalie

        • Why

          Still need to pay Leddy and Kruger or find replacements. Frolik and Bolland need to be replaced as well. You might want to leave some cap room for the Rockford shuffle or deadline trades (give me back my Bolland!). The summer just got slightly more interesting but it doesn’t seem like a pile of cap room.

          • zacked

            It means they have the money to sign a #6D or depth forward free agent, and not be fucked again next year.

          • AMR

            Kruger will be lucky to get a million a year and leddy should be around 2.5 million

          • Why

            I’d be shocked if you get both for 3.5.

          • AMR

            Michael Del Zotto got 2.2 million and he plays more and bigger minutes for the Rangers and Kindl got 2.4 so I can’t imagine Leddy get more than that. Especially sinces he is a RFA without arbitration rights

          • Why

            Why is everyone so sure Leddy wants to stay in Chicago?

          • cliffkoroll

            Barring an offer sheet, it’s Chicago or nowhere.

          • Why

            I know that offer sheets are rare but how stupid would you have to be to not give up a 2nd rounder for Leddy. Am I too high on Leddy?

          • AMR

            You are assuming the Hawks wouldn’t match it which they would so a team would have to crazy overpay for the hawks to walk away

          • Why

            What’s “crazy overpay”? Leddy has more value to a team where he projects top four.

          • AMR

            Well nashville was willing to match what Philly gave Weber and Chicago is willing to spend more than them so I don’t know the exact number but it would have to be significant

          • Why

            I like Leddy’s potential too but let’s hold off on the Weber comparisons. If he gets offered over 3.3 and you get a first and third as compensation, do you match?

          • AMR

            Of course you match

          • AMR

            You match but you don’t offer that you negotiate and probably can get him cheaper before july 5th

          • Why

            If he wants to stay.

          • AMR

            What part of RFA do you not understand. He really doesn’t have much of a choice

          • Why

            You apparently have a plan where Leddy will sign with the Hawks at a discount before checking what the market will bear. Maybe you’re right. I have my doubts.

          • mad-hatter

            He’s an RFA. He has no choice but to go to the team that gives the best qualifying offer, whether he wants to or not. He can’t check the market. He can’t argue for anything higher. He gets what he gets, and it’s up to Stan to decide if it will be worth keeping him or getting a 1st and a 3rd.

          • Accipiter

            He also has no arbitration rights, if I’m not mistaken.

          • Why

            You are not mistaken.

          • Why

            I’m nearly 100% sure you’re wrong on this one. Relevant part of Article 10.3 of the CBA (page 35, Article 10.3):

            When a Restricted Free Agent receives an offer to sign an SPC from any Club(the “New Club”) other than his Prior Club, which offer the Player desires to accept, he shall give to the Prior Club, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereto, a completed certificate substantially in the form of Exhibit 6 attached hereto (the “Offer Sheet”), signed by the Restricted Free Agent and the New Club, which shall contain the “Principal Terms” (as defined below) as well as all other terms of compensation of the New Club’s offer.

            Leddy can pick and choose.

          • CozBullsFan

            He can pick an offer sheet. The Hawks have a chance to match. Since he was a first round pick, compensation would be a 1st and 3rd rounder.

          • Why

            Disqus is running very slow. Sorry for the delay.

            That would appear to be wrong as well. Compensation is based on amount of money offered (or average annual amount of compensation) and draft position has no bearing on what picks you get. It’s on page 38 (article 10.4) of the CBA. Unless I’m wildly over or underestimating how much a team will pay Leddy, the magic number is $3,364,391 per year. If the offer sheet is lower, Hawks get a 2nd rounder if they don’t match. If higher than that number, 1st and 3rd.

          • CozBullsFan

            Thanks for reminding me. I forgot about the Hammer deal with SJ. It was the same issue. However, Leddy is no where near Hammer in development.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I don’t think Leddy is that far off, actually.

            In fact, I look for him to make a big leap this fall.

          • CozBullsFan

            You think so? I could see him doing well next season. I just don’t see him jumping into top 4 minutes yet.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Don’t forget- at the beginning of this season, Leddy was partly the talk of the league. His play was a step above and he was getting a lot of attention from people around the NHL.

          • Why

            No worries. I could be crazy as well. I just think Leddy for 3.3 and a 2nd rounder might not be a bad move for a lot of teams. And someone might be willing to overpay.

          • mad-hatter

            This is describing what happens when a player has signed an offer sheet with another team. He notifies his current club, and they can either match or let him walk. If his current team matches the offer sheet, he has to stay with them. He has no choice; this is the entire point of RFAs.

          • Why

            Everything you just wrote is correct. All I’m saying is Leddy can pick and choose which team to sign an offer sheet with. And it remains to be seen whether the Hawks would match or just take the compensation.

          • CozBullsFan

            They can also sign him before July 5th and avoid all that jazz.

          • Why

            Again though, you’re assuming Leddy wants to stay. You could be entirely correct. But if he’d rather be a top four defencemen, it’s probably a bad idea to sign at a discount for a team with four guys ahead of you.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Oduya won’t be around beyond 2015 and Leddy would ostensibly be expected to have earned a top-4 spot by then or we stop thinking Nick Leddy is a future top blueliner at the UC.

          • CozBullsFan

            That’s my thoughts too. I think that’s why Oduya got the contract he has. It gives Leddy ample time to grow into the roll. Once Oduya is gone after next year, Leddy slots up.

          • mad-hatter

            I think I understand what you’re arguing about with Leddy not taking a discount. You’re saying that Leddy will be offered a very huge large contract, to the extent that Stan won’t match it and force his hand to stay, allowing him to leave, correct?

          • Why

            Or Stan will match it and he has to stay but gets more money. A big offer sheet either means more money from Blackhawks or a better chance to play in the top 4.

            Most of my surprise centres around the idea that Leddy’s going to sign for 2 million in Chicago because he’s restricted.

          • mad-hatter

            He didn’t have a great playoffs, and as we’ve seen with Bickell, that seems to be all GMs care about. I see Leddy going for $2.5mil myself, but I’m not expecting anything more.

          • Why

            And to me, that’s a discount. Hope you’re right though.

          • mad-hatter

            Okay, I think we were arguing about different steps in the RFA process. I just don’t think Leddy will be given that heavy of an offer sheet by another team for the same reasons that Bickell was given a lot of money. Stan should not have much difficulty signing Leddy as he did signing Hammer, as both played different roles in their contract years.

          • Why

            I thought we were too. The part of your post I disagreed with was this:

            He has no choice but to go to the team that gives the best qualifying offer, whether he wants to or not. He can’t check the market.

            And you could be right on everything else. I suppose we’ll see.

          • cliffkoroll

            I agree, if by ‘you’, you mean Stan Bowman.

            But Why, I think a $3.3 million offer sheet for Leddy is a fantasy.

          • AMR

            Yes I meant Bowman

          • Why

            Defencemen get paid. If you project him to keep improving, you can get that first and third back in two years if that’s your choice.

          • AMR

            Also I wasn’t comparing skill levels I was comparing circumstances

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’d let him go for a first and a third in a heartbeat, but no way anyone offers him that!

          • cliffkoroll

            Yes. Hjamarsson logged serious top-4 minutes on a Cup winner three years ago, prompting a (rare) $3.5 million offer sheet.

            Leddy, he was in the playoffs, right?

          • AMR

            He was until the Final and then he play sparingly in Boston and a little more in Chicago

          • cliffkoroll

            third pairing. go back to the regular season, after his ‘promotion’ to the top-4. reality set in.

            I love Leddy, sill very young, but…

          • AMR

            Why wouldn’t he. He just won a Stanley Cup and the hawks are position to win more and he could a huge part of it. Plus he is a RFA

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            This is what I’ve been saying for months … thanks for speaking up!

          • Why

            MDZ and Kindl signed with teams that were probably going to give them significant ice time (more dollars in the future). You’re expecting Leddy to do the same for a team where he projects as the number 5 guy.

          • AMR

            Exactly less ice time means less money. So Leddy should get less than those two not more.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Leddy’s role will be lesser, so less than those two for salary. 2.0 is his ceiling imo.

          • Z-man19

            That number includes the salaries of Smith, Hayes and Morin

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      He’d better put up top six numbers.

      • 10thMountainFire

        So much fucking this.

    • 10thMountainFire

      What in the name of cap fuckery…

      I’m not liking this for a guy with exactly one playoff season of above-average play.

      • AMR

        If you peak at the right time you get paid

        • CozBullsFan

          Pretty much. The Hawks couldn’t afford to lose him. He outperformed those we got rid of. How is a bad deal? We still have cap space sign UFA’s and Leddy.

        • Why

          He put in the work. Went to Europe, became a better skater.

          • 10thMountainFire

            So it took him an entire season to remember what he learned in Europe? Because he wasn’t aces until the playoffs.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            he also was playing a checking role

          • 10thMountainFire

            So was Bolland.

            If given the option, I give Bolland that money over Bickell. The purpose for dealing Bolland was to free up room… now you give it to Bickell? Sorry, I don’t think Bicks is worth $4.5 million per for two years. No way.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            bolland over bickell? that sort of money? bolland has been declining, bickell has been steadily improving thats just silly.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Steadily improving? Since when? April?

          • cliffkoroll

            Well yeah, if you remember the extended benching Bickell received one short year ago due to uninspired play, well, since then, his trajectory, I mean, if you plot a line from that point through the 2013 playoffs and then extrapolate, he’s on track to pass Gretzky in about 15 months.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Then we got a deal!!!

          • Accipiter

            When he was playing for the league minimum.

          • unknown operator

            This. Exactly. Contract year inspiration. Let the gnashing of teeth begin…

          • Why

            Don’t worry about the 4.5. For cap purposes, it makes no difference when he gets the money (unless he was bought out).

          • CozBullsFan

            He also wasn’t on the top line. He played the checking line roll with a couple 3rd line guys.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Bicks is NOT going to be on the top line for the majority of next season.

          • DesertHawk

            What if he is?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Uh, you know Joel Quennville coaches the Chicago Blackhawks, right?

          • CozBullsFan

            He also never tried Bicks up with like he did in the playoffs. Bicks proved he could do it. Q said he was impressed by Bicks play.

          • 10thMountainFire

            He also separated Kane and Toews for a long stretch. Now you have faith that Bickell, Kane, and Toews will be together long enough to let Bicks score 25+ goals? Because for $4.5 per on the top line, he better score 25+ for this team.

          • CozBullsFan

            You gotta take chances on guys. Stan hasn’t really done anything to prove this is a stupid move. He has a pretty good streak going so far.

          • Why

            Why use 4.5? It’s four.

          • cliffkoroll

            For the record, Bicks plus DDN got a cameo way back in the 2010 playoffs against Nashville.

          • Z-man19

            He fucking better be in the top 2 for 4 mil

          • 10thMountainFire

            Exactly.

          • Z-man19

            I think he will be

          • cliffkoroll

            He is now.

          • Z-man19

            he wasn’t on the top line with DDN until the playoffs, still not sure he’s worth 4 mil though

          • 10thMountainFire

            What are the chances he spends the majority of the season with Kaner and Marvel again?

            Less than you want to believe.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            no i think its good chances he stays up there. saad will move down

          • 10thMountainFire

            Haha, brother/sister it’s a crapshoot whether Kane and Toews even play on a line together.

            Best bet is that Bicks is pushed down a line or two next year.

          • Why

            You really like the regular season.

          • lizmcneill

            need to get to the playoffs, let’s not count chickens. And home ice came in handy a time or two this year.

          • Why

            Fair enough. But so did Bolland and Bickell.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I understand… but my point is that they dealt Byfuglien and Ladd with better histories than Travis.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            they didnt have a choice lets not go there, very very different situation….

          • 10thMountainFire

            For my money, were it my money, I spend $4 million per on someone else.

          • Why

            Who?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Not a fucking guy with a single post season of above-average play.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            he was very good in 2011 then he got hurt i believe and average in 2012.

          • 10thMountainFire

            He was not ‘very good’ in 2011. He was average. He was shitty at times in 2012. REALLY shitty.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            im talking post season here.

          • 10thMountainFire

            So you’re paying him $4.5 for two years to play well in the post-season? I think we just disagree here. I don’t like that salary for Bicks.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            but youd give it to bolland for the same reason…?

          • CozBullsFan

            exactly. everyone was sad bolland was gone. what has he produced for 3.5 fucking million. jack shit.

          • Z-man19

            uh oh

          • CozBullsFan

            sorry. didn’t mean to lose it there. point stands. bolland hasn’t produced all that much and we have cheaper replacements in the pipeline that can do what he did.

          • Why

            I’ll say it. Bolland was/is underpaid.

          • CozBullsFan

            Underpaid? In what bizarre world do you live in? He was overpaid big time for his numbers.

          • Z-man19

            I’m not disagreeing with you necessarily, just figured this may cause a shitstorm

          • cliffkoroll

            Awful loose definition of ‘replacement’ there.

          • lizmcneill

            Bolland’s job wasn’t to produce. Bolland’s job was to shut down and agitate other people’s top lines so that TOEWS could produce, and if he scored a bit while doing so it was jam. Look at Toews’ production these playoffs and the regular season when he was going power vs power. He still shuts them down, but no goals for the Captain unless he has Kaner.

          • CozBullsFan

            So you’re saying we’re fucked because we have absolutely no option to fill in Bolland’s now empty spot? I find that very hard to believe.

          • lizmcneill

            Well, who do we have? Kruger was seeing 3rd line QoC this season, doesn’t look like he’s ready. Danault, has never played pro before. Shaw, hahahaha nope. Our best bet is a cheap UFA vet, or we suck it up and hope DDN come through and Toews stays healthy.

          • CozBullsFan

            I’d like to see Stan sign Boyd Gordon as a start and go on from there.

          • Z-man19

            I like this idea

          • lizmcneill

            got a link to his fancystats?

          • CozBullsFan
          • AMR

            Because Bolland really played that shutdown role well this past two seasons? He was terrible in that role and that is why he was put on the fourth line. He really wasn’t as effective in a shut down role as opposed to 2010 when he rocked. But was that because he was so good or because Keith and Seabrook were the defensemen?

          • QCBlackhawk

            We haven’t had him in a shutdown role for two seasons… We’ve been putting him on a scoring line and saying “DO IT.”

          • Z-man19

            2? Seems to me the 3rd line last year was the traditional checking line

          • QCBlackhawk

            We got scoring depth to the point that the third line wasn’t really checking anymore (not that I minded). When he was on second he was not shutdown, and when he was third, it wasn only half assed. I don’t know, I’m kind of drunk so I might be revising history.

          • cliffkoroll

            Give what to Bolland? I reject your crystal ball. I’m talking about next year- Bickell consues $0.625 MORE in cap space than Bolland next year. That’s a fact.

            All else is wispy speculation.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            The question is this … are we better with Bickell at 4, along with those three picks, or with Bolland at 3.4 plus the inability to sign Bickell at his number? That’s really all this is. It’s a shitbox decision to have to make, and a worrisome one, but that’s all this argument boils down to. You keep Bolland, then you can’t sign Bickell and you get a 5th or a 5th to trade his rights. I’m not sure where I stand yet, but I’m edging toward thinking the right move was made, despite my agreement that the contract is too steep.

          • Z-man19

            I love me some Chico, calm, sound reasoning. Only time will tell if this was the right move. I’d feel better if the contract was for 3 mil. Bicks is now on the clock to produce in a top 6 role.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’d definitely like that 3 mil contract now. And ya, he’ll get more offensive minutes now, no question. I’ll be really curious now to see what Stan’s plans are for the middle of the ice, ’cause there’s no way he’s done this without having thought of that.

          • Z-man19

            you promise not to puke on my floor? It might involve Zus or Pirri or Denault, etc

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’m at a point now where I’m only dry-heaving anyway.

          • Z-man19

            ha

          • cliffkoroll

            You can’t close those books until the draft pciks materialize or not. Either way, that’s 3-4 years down the road. The trade-off this year is Bolland + $0.625 million or Bickell.

            How good will these picks need to be? What if the move costs the Hawks a Cup in them meantime?

          • Z-man19

            What if the move costs the Hawks a Cup in them meantime?
            So we know now that the absence of Dave Bolland will assuredly be the reason if the hawks would happen to lose in a future SCF?

          • cliffkoroll

            Yeah, that’s what I wrote. Look, you wanna wand wave and be obscure, or you wanna think clearly?

            We have to watch in the upcoming year. It is not known whether Bolland + $0.625 million in the year ahead will be worth more than Bickell in the year ahead until after the year is over.

            Right now, my money is on Bolland + $0.625 million. Do you care to take a stand on this narrow question?

          • Z-man19

            Sure, how are you going to measure if Bicks at 4 is better than Bolly at 3.3? Do the Hawks have to repeat?

          • cliffkoroll

            In all likelihood, the $0.625 million won’t mean anything to anyone except Rocky. Hawks should not be constrained next year at this point.

            We’ll know at the end of this season if (a) thank God we hung on to Bickell, (b) Fuck us for letting Bolland go, or the most likely outcome (c) not the difference between Cup and no Cup.

          • Z-man19

            I like Chico’s reasoning above actually.

            My guess is, the waters will be muddier than you suggest unless the hawks repeat, but I’ll go with C.

          • cliffkoroll

            Guh. It wasn’t a question, it was a wait and see.

          • Z-man19

            Ok, am I still in the circle of trust?

          • Accipiter

            I think you are out of the circle.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I think Bickell at 4 for the next 4 years + the 2nd rounder + the two 4th rounders is better than Bolland + $0.625 million for one year. Yes, I do, especially now that I write it out like that. And I understand how much Bolland did for the team.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I agree with you here, Cliff. I take Bolland and his cap space over Bickell at $4 million for two years. The Bickell salary scared the shit out of me the moment it posted.

          • CozBullsFan

            You also give 3 draft picks they got for Bolland. We wouldn’t get anything for him next year and we wouldn’t be able to resign him. Not only do you lose Bolland after next year, you lose Bickell this year, and the 3 drafts picks you would have gotten for Bolland.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I don’t know, man, I think you have to factor in those picks despite the longevity of the equation, because that’s the reality … it’s not like Bolland just disappeared; we did get assets in his stead, you can’t just erase those from the ledger. In a cap era the draft is paramount. What was it, 12 players this year were our own draft picks?

            It’s not a pleasant trade-off, I agree (I’m among the Bolland-is-underestimated crew). But if (a big if, I understand) Bickell pots 15 to 20 each of the next four years, then this is alright for us. Bolland gets 4/4.5 next year, too, in his new contract; you can’t forget to factor in that, as well.

          • Why

            Regular season numbers. I live in a world where no one really cares about the President’s trophy.

          • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

            It’s a gamble, that’s for sure. Here’s hoping that Bicks can at least continue to over achieve in the playoffs.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m with you on this.

          • Accipiter

            Joel Ward ?

          • AMR

            Byfuglien had one good post season as well and he wanted to be a defenseman. Ladd I’ll grant you but thats the cap for ya

          • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

            2010 was cap hell.

          • HungryHungryPanda

            I think you’re misremembering how average Buff was. His last regular season with the ‘Hawks was 17-17-34. The very next season, Bickell put up 17-20-37.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m not a Byfuglien fan. At all. But you cannot tell me that Bicks’ numbers are noticeably better than Byfuglien’s were. Sorry, you won’t convince me.

          • CozBullsFan

            He just showed you they were better. heh

          • 10thMountainFire

            Three points?

          • QCBlackhawk

            He said noticeably. 3 points more is not that noticeable ;p Especially since one of the gripes about Buff was that he slept during the regular season.

          • Accipiter

            Probably one of the only players that can put on weight while playing hockey at the professional level.

          • amontesawesome

            I was curious about this comparison. It was something that I had thought about during the season/cup run, but I never got around to checking to see if I was full of shit. But you prompted me to check. I used a 3 year average of Bickell (10-13) and a 2 year average of Buff (08-10) ES numbers because I couldn’t remember if he was used on offense or defense during the 07-08 season.

            Over those averages:

            Bicks- 1.861 P/60, 50% FF, .821 GF/20 .712 GA/20
            Buff- 1.312 P/60, 55% FF, .671 GF/20 .610 GA/20

            Buff’s Fenwick For% to me seems a little wonky to me and I’m suspicious it’s inflated based on his participation on the 27 Yankee’s 09-10 team which posted an unheard of 57.8%. While it is possible Buff may be THAT good at driving possession and losing him is responsible for the dip in Fenwick%, I’m suspicious because of some of the other Hawks during this two year span that also appear amongst the league leaders in FF% (ie Colin Fraser at 56% and Kopecky at 55%)

            Conclusion: Tough to say. Bickell averaged half a point more per 60 minutes and outscored opponents by a little bit more per 60 minutes as well. But Buff’s possession numbers are insane. Though it is difficult to tell how much Byfuglien’s possession numbers benefitted from the general otherworldliness of that Hawks team.

          • HungryHungryPanda

            I’m not trying to convince you of anything, nor did I imply you were a Byfuglien fan. But I think $4mil/year in 2010 for Buff would have been OK to most, while this Bickell contract is being panned. I just think that’s interesting considering their respective histories, which are very similar. I for one think Bickell’s a better player. And he also happens to not weigh 300 pounds

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        24 points in 38 games.

        Last year 2 pts in 6 (phx)

        year before 4 pts in 5 (van)

    • cliffkoroll

      Yay. Joel Ward!

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Exactly … that exact contract was my fear from the get-go.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      My hope was 2.5/3.0 … my fear on the open market was 4/4.5. So. Well, let’s hope he becomes a regular 20-goal scorer.

      • Why

        I started getting scared when reports circulated that Horton had turned down 4.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Didn’t hear those. Horton’s definitely worth more than 4, though. This isn’t awful, Bick’s salary, it just means he’s going to have to produce. He’ll get PP time, get increased minutes and probably better minutes. We’ll see.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    So… Leddy, and a center either through promotion or trade. Other than that we’re looking good.

    • CozBullsFan

      Yup, things are looking good. Got some good prospects coming up. Still have our core. Will sign a couple FA’s. What’s not to like?

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        I’ll wait for definitive news on Leddy before answering.

  • StealingHappyHour

    Saad will now be confined to the 3rd line, which I think is fantastic. Let him take on those tough minutes and get better defensively. Less pressure as well.

    • CozBullsFan

      Who knows where he’ll be. If Pirri doesn’t work out, then it could be to the 2nd line with sharp centering.

      • Joe Banks

        I heard Hossa may need back surgery… can’t remember where I heard that though

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          I think they’re evaluating whether he needs it or not.

          • Joe Banks

            annngh!

      • AMR

        Don’t forget Leblanc

        • CozBullsFan

          Thanks for reminding. Forgot about him!

        • Z-man19

          Actually, the hawks have to sign him first, he’s RFA now

          • AMR

            Yeah but I think they will. I mean why wouldn’t they

          • Z-man19

            I don’t think it’s a given buy I would assume they would

  • Ranjan

    Lecavalier?

    • AMR

      He wants 5 mill per year

    • 10thMountainFire

      Not going to happen.

      • 2883

        I wish

  • StealingHappyHour

    A year from now we may be looking at a Saad-Danault-Shaw 3rd line. Imagine the forecheck! IMAGINE IT!

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Relentless. That line will (likely) be sick.

  • wowwowweewoo

    Right side defenseman of the NHL, you are now on notice. Sharp; Bickell; Saad; Morin.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Unless Sharpie has to slide back to 2C. We are now weak at center.

      • wowwowweewoo

        LeBlanc and Pirri battle for 2C. Kruger and Shaw split 3? I think there will be some great value in veteran depth with the cap going down, so I think we’ll have a Vet 3/4 C.

      • 2883

        Not a huge issue.. I think the Hawks likely use a little extra cap room to sign a C for a short term contract.

  • OldTimeHawkey

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=675910&navid=nhl:topheads

    Bicks locked up, looks like 4 mill a year for 4 years. Signing Leddy for 2.4 mil on cap geek leaves us with 7+ mill in room.

    • CozBullsFan

      That’s a lot of money to work with. I like that with the cap going down and the prospects coming up.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Why do I have a feeling Leds will get a LOT more than 2.4 ?

      • OldTimeHawkey

        Because you seem to be insightful. 2.4 is a dream, and it would be a short term dream at that.

      • HungryHungryPanda

        Kindl got 2.4. I think Leddy slots in somewhere in that neighborhood, not sure why you’d think he gets much more than that.

        • OldTimeHawkey

          I was thinking more along 3 or a bit higher. Low twos would be most ideal, obviously, but who knows how quickly Stan will want to lock him in. But maybe I exaggerated in my last post

          • HungryHungryPanda

            I was thinking around 3 all season but after he got stapled to the bench in the Final I think 2.5ish is more like it. Here’s hoping.

      • cliffkoroll

        Because of Stan’s priapism for Leddy?

        • amontesawesome

          You are the first person I’ve seen make similar comments, but I’m wondering from where they stem. Is it based on his locking in Oduya long term and essentially forcing Leddy to the 3rd pairing?

          • cliffkoroll

            No, it’s not. It’s based on comments Stan has made and the fact that Leddy is arguably the biggest trade coup of Stan’s career as GM.

            The idea that Oduya’s contract extension, rather than Oduya’s play, is what forced Leddy onto the third pairing is…curious.

          • amontesawesome

            No, certainly it was Oduya’s play was/is deserving of top 4 status. But, if Stan really did think that highly of Leddy, I don’t think he would have traded for/signed long term another top 4 d-man. He can’t think THAT highly of Leddy if he targeted and signed Oduya, was my point.

          • cliffkoroll

            I understand your point. Oduya was acquired to fill a hole, and he turned out to be better than expected, the Hawks gave him a raise and extended him.

            As usual in these narratives, the idea that the coach and GM work in tandem, the possibility that Q tells Stan to give Oduya a raise/extension, and that Stan agrees because in fact the coach and GM in Chicago do work in synch for the most part, entirely escapes you.

            To read this development as a judgment of Stan against Leddy is way more of a reach than you accuse me of.

          • amontesawesome

            What? It’s more of a reach to assume that Stan believes Leddy is the team’s 5th defenseman because he signed four better defenseman than it is to assume Stan has a hard on for Leddy and will wildly overpay him because he fleeced the Wild when he traded for him?

          • cliffkoroll

            I’m getting a sense that you’re just gonna keep spewing, so I reckon I’ll agree. The day Stan Bowman signed Johhny Oduya was a straightforward rejection of Nick Leddy, who Stan obviously hates now.

          • amontesawesome

            Yeah, dude, totally my point. Stan totally hates Leddy. Totally.

            Or, you know, just thinks he’s a good young hockey player but not quite as good right now as Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Nik Hjalmarsson, or Johnny Oduya.

            Either one of those things.

          • cliffkoroll

            You’re the one drawing purely speculative conclusions from the Oduya signing. In your universe, did Stan force Oduya on an unwilling Q, not to mention Roszival? Did Stan tell Q to staple Leddy to the bench? Does the coach have any input on personnel decisions?

            You continue to link the Oduya signing to some reflection of Stan’s view of Leddy, but there is zero evidence for this. This is 100% whole cloth unadulterated neurons firing within amontesawesome’s brain.

            When I say Stan has a hard-on for Leddy, it’s based on a history of comments to this effect. At least there is SOME evidence for this view.

          • amontesawesome

            I have no idea why you think I’m implying any rift between Q and Stan. I don’t think anything of the sort and have no idea what I said that would lead any one to believe otherwise. This is what I believe and you can tell me where we disagree.

            1. Stan traded for Johnny Oduya because he wanted to improve the Blackhawks’ defense corps.
            2. Stan signed Johnny Oduya to a 3 year 10 million dollar contract because Johnny Oduya played well and was a valuable part of the team.
            3. Johnny Oduya is in the top 4 d-men on this Blackhawks team and Nick Leddy is not.

            These three things lead me to believe that Stan, and Q, both have a sober and clear headed view of who Nick Leddy is as a player and forced me to ask why you believe Stan has some irrational love for Nick Leddy as a player.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I think Stan does in fact have an affinity for Leddy but that’s based on my meatheaded logic that the trade for Leddy is among Stan’s finest moves.

            Nothing more than that, though.

          • cliffkoroll

            Throw in Roszival and Leddy is the #6. What does a GM pay for a #6 d-man? Is there a threshold above which I can interpret this as a perhaps inappropriate ardor for said d-man?

            Feel free to tell me both what you think and what Stan thinks.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You think Rosy is higher on the depth chart than #8?

          • cliffkoroll

            Not just me. Q played the guy a lot of minutes in all situations.

            It’s a regular season/playoff thing again. Leddy’s legs logged a lot of minutes int he regular season, while Rosi needed regular rest. But down the stretch and post-season, it wasn’t close.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Understood. Here’s hoping Leddy makes the big leap next year. I personally believe he could be a future all-star… but I have little to substantiate that with aside from his mobility, offensive potential, and his puck-handling.

          • amontesawesome

            I have no idea what leads you to believe Stan has such love for Leddy. Is it just nice things the General Manager of team said about a player on the team he generally manages?

            That was my question in the first place.

          • cliffkoroll

            and he’s his pet, Stan’s first big stake in the ground. This is circumstantial, but if you think GM’s are agnostic about guys they’ve inherited versus “their” guys, I submit that your understanding of human nature is inadequate.

            Look, you disagree. Fine. But you called me out, and your knock-down argument is some ham-fisted theory about Oduya, which is even weaker than my original comment, so unless you can do better, this is a call-out fail by you.

          • amontesawesome

            It was a facetious statement meant to underscore how your entire argument was based solely on your belief that Stan loves Nick Leddy irrationally because he wants to prove to everyone that he’s a great GM.

            If your statement w/r/t Stan’s tumesence was also facetious, well… My apologies.

          • amontesawesome

            It was a facetious statement meant to underscore how your entire argument was based solely on your belief that Stan loves Nick Leddy irrationally because he wants to prove to everyone that he’s a great GM.

            If your statement w/r/t Stan’s tumesence was also facetious, well… My apologies.

          • mad-hatter

            There is nothing contradictory about Stan extending Oduya’s contract and still having very high expectations for Leddy, enough to go to great lengths to resign him. Stan had no input on how Q utilized his dcorps, and Leddy being bottom 6 is negated by the fact that he is 22.

          • amontesawesome

            I agree with this statement. I just am confused as to why cliffkoroll believes Stan irrationally loves Nick Leddy when all the organizations actions have been rational.

          • mad-hatter

            I’m not sure cliff is arguing that Stan irrationally loves Nick Leddy. I think Stan is going to do a lot to keep Leddy in an Indianhead (although I’m not sure “a lot” will be needed), but I don’t think he’ll throw out $4mil to do so.

          • Why

            I just kind of think, up until this last post, you were conflating Stan’s opinion on Leddy’s potential with Stan’s opinion on Leddy’s current skill set. He could sign Oduya without giving up on Leddy. I just don’t see the relevance.

      • jackattack

        Leddy has very little leverage. I can’t see him getting more than 2.5, and if that’s his asking price, trade him.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Let’s just relax here a minute with all of the ‘Leddy trade’ stuff.

        • 2883

          Depends on the # of years tbh… if it’s 2… hen sure, but if they want him long long term (4+) you gotta pay the man

          • Z-man19

            he’s 22, how old do you have to be to get UFA status?

          • Why

            7 years in league, I believe.

          • 2883

            Think it’s either age or a # of years in the league whichever comes first.

          • Why

            Yep, 27 or 7 years if I remember correctly.

          • 2883

            Yup you are correct.

          • Z-man19

            so he’s been in the league 2 years. He has to sign a 5 year deal to be UFA at the end of it, correct?

            Edit: make that 3 years and a 4 year contract

          • 2883

            He’s been in the league 3 years, so he’d have to sign a 4 year deal to be UFA at the end of it.

            So I was mistaken…

          • Z-man19

            yeah I edited above

          • 2883

            Cheater… leave your erroneous post up so we can all mock it like we mock mine.

          • Z-man19

            I marked it Edit, you can mock me any time

    • OldTimeHawkey

      Exactly. Lots of nice space to easily manuever with, whatever direction we take. But can we just make a smart move and buy out Carcillo?

      • CozBullsFan

        Can’t buy him out. Already used our two on Monty and Rusty.

        • OldTimeHawkey

          Still, aren’t there regular buy-outs? Acc. to Cap Geek we’d save 600K by buying him out

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            you can bury contracts in the minors up 900k i believe.

          • Z-man19

            yes

          • CozBullsFan

            Correct but he’d have to go through waivers. If he got picked up, we’d have to foot part of the bill.

          • SaadBuster

            I’d be okay with the Hawks footing part of the bill if it means I don’t have to look at or think of Carcillo ever again. But it ain’t my money.

    • QCBlackhawk

      4 million…. per year!? The Fuck.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Hawks take another Swedish D man with their first pick in the fourth.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=81781

  • unknown operator

    Four years. Four million. I wonder what kind of numbers our recently departed Maple Leaf will put up in his contract year…

  • OldTimeHawkey

    Also, what are we thinking Kruger will go for? Being so young, I can’t imagine teams won’t give him any looks, and we should be able to get him for relatively cheap. But how much is it going to take?

    • mad-hatter

      I’d be surprised if Kruger made more than $1.5mil. He’s great, but still a bottom-6 player with a fairly low offensive ceiling.

  • 2883

    Nucks having a reallly good draft on hype alone getting Shinkaruk , Subban & more

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Van is all about the hype.

      • Accipiter

        The hype is real.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      If Subban flops anything like his brother, he’ll fit right in to the douchiest team in the NHL.

    • Why

      Yep. They win the draft. Aside from that part where their projected starting goalie is bunkered up in Florida trying to figure out if Russia is a viable option.

  • 2883

    HP on Hartman:

    “42. Ryan Hartman, Right Wing, Plymouth (OHL)

    Hartman is a do-it-all type player who can provide significant
    two-way value despite being a tad undersized, at around 5’11″. He is
    smart, and he makes creative plays in both puck handling and passing. He
    is a very aware defensive player, as he makes great reads, and he will
    provide value in his own end at both even strength and the penalty kill.
    Hartman is a hard worker, which adds to his defensive value. On the
    forecheck, he can deliver good pressure, and the occasional big hit. He
    has decent, if not solid speed. He lacks the blazing top gear that a
    player with below-average size would optimally possess, but his skating
    is acceptable. Hartman will create from the perimeter, drive the net,
    and play tough defensive situations. He does not have a ton of upside,
    but he projects as an above-average regular. He can play center or wing,
    a versatile bonus for the Whaler forward.”

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      a little more from the scouting report:

      “What Hartman lacks in size, he makes up for in effort. The 5-foot-11 forward isn’t the biggest guy on the ice but his quickness and explosiveness make up for that in a lot of ways. Hartman is a physical forward who is not afraid to finish checks and competes hard every shift. In addition to playing with an edge, Hartman is a capable offensive player and while not flashy, he is effective. A lack of real high-end talent and size are the obvious knocks, but Hartman projects as a pesty forward that seem to be fan favourites in the NHL.”

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      I like this pick a lot. Probably not gonna be a star, but actually could we a future Bolland-in-his-prime type. Saw Marchand comparisons too.

    • pompoon

      I hadn’t heard of him before (not surprising since I hadn’t heard of anyone outside of the top 5), but he sounds like a solid pick. Also, yikes does he ever have pretty eyes.

      • 2883

        swoon ha

  • FakeASeizure

    au revoir

  • roadhog

    Tyler Motte . . .

  • 2883

    More on Hawks 4th round pick Tyler Motte..
    Hockey Prospectus
    74. Tyler Motte, Left Wing, USA Under-18 (USHL)

    Motte entered this season as a top prospect, and though he did
    not have an outstanding year, he showed that he could still contribute
    in a number of ways. He is a very good skater who picks up speed
    quickly, and he plays with a high level of energy. Even though he is a
    smaller player at 5’9″, he pressures well with his speed. Motte
    anticipates the play very well off of the puck for a player his age, and
    he was one of the USNTDP’s best penalty killers. While he is not
    dynamic offensively, he shows significant flashes of upside with his
    puck handling and playmaking. Motte has good hand-eye coordination, and
    his overall hockey sense allows him to be a good puck possession
    forward. He is committed to the University of Michigan for the 2013-14
    season.

    • QCBlackhawk

      Penalty killer woooooo

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      sound like a kruger.

      • 2883

        Not a bad comparison, Kruger had a monster year as a 19/20 year old though in the SEL… I just haven’t seen that offensive upside from him since the switch to the NHL

  • QCBlackhawk

    Hey remember when Bickell said he’d take a home-town discount? Yeah, me too.

    • Oregon_hawk

      maybe he did

      • CozBullsFan

        Yeah, we don’t know what other teams were offering.

        • Z-man19

          technically they couldn’t until July 5th

          • CozBullsFan

            Ah, that’s right. I still have a feeling he would have got more on the open market. Someone would be stupid enough to dump 5 mil plus on him.

  • roadhog

    Luke Johnson …

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    I said during the LA series that some fool of a GM would offer Bicks 4 mil / yr.

    Didn’t realize it would be StanBo.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Meh. If you look at it through a 7-year deal lens, 7 yrs for $18M is a pretty good deal for Bicks.

      • cliffkoroll

        sunk cost fallacy, but I think you knew that.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          I’m just not discounting that the reward for his previous efforts was worked into the deal. When you’re battling for the hearts and minds of men, you do not enter the fray with the speech of a machine.

          • Why

            I think Bickell gets more on the open market. Hockey players are worth whatever the person who values them the highest would pay them. He took a discount to stay in Chicago.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I doubt Bickell would have gotten more than that on the open market. He’s never scored even 20 goals in a single season. Let’s not be blinded by a playoff run.

          • Kevin

            I think Stan outbid himself. I know that if he would have offered Bicks $11 million for 4 years he would have taken it. Maybe even $8 million for 4 years.

            Does Stan know how to negotiate?

            Bicks PROS:

            1. Big presence in front of the net.
            2. Soft hands for scoring in close.
            3. Good peripheral vision around the slot.
            4. Tough guy. He will play with pain.

            Bicks WEAKNESSES:

            1. Poor passer
            2. Poor puck handler
            3. Poor defender (can’t play defense).
            4. Overall speed is sub-par
            5. Not exactly a good hard checker in the boards. He’s not going after loose pucks, either.

          • jekyll1489

            I’ll let the amazing stat guys here say it with numbers, but your premise about his defense is insanely misguided.

          • Kevin

            Could you imagine a world in which there wasn’t any salary cap for the Hawks. The Blackhawks could have won 6 championships or more with this team they could have kept intact.

            LINES:

            1. Toews, Kane, Byfuglien

            2. Bolland, Versteeg, Sharp

            3. Shaw, Bickell, Brouwer

            4. Kruger, Hossa, Kopecky

            Defense:

            Keith, Seabrook

            Hammer, Campbell

            Oduya, Leddy

    • 10thMountainFire

      I also do not like this deal, friend.

    • Oregon_hawk

      It won’t look so high when the cap goes up and guys like him are making more money.

      IF he farts it out, its a bad deal, sure. If he continues at his level? good deal.

    • Kevin

      He overpayed him. Wow.

  • 2883

    Hawks select C Luke Johnson from the USHL

    From NHL.com

    Luke Johnson, C, Lincoln
    — Johnson, a 5-11, 167-pound A-list skater, played at Grand Forks
    Central in North Dakota where he won a state championship. The son of
    former Lincoln Stars coach Steve Johnson and nephew to current Stars
    coach Chad Johnson is a University of North Dakota commit after he had
    20 goals, 55 points and a plus-22 rating in 55 games in 2011-12.

    “He can do lots with the puck and probably has one of the best
    releases in the draft,” Gregory said. “The puck comes off his stick with
    such quickness, speed, and grace … it’s an effortless thing. At the
    USHL level, he will be a dominant player and will warrant first-round
    consideration this year.”

    Johnson had two shots on goal, three hits and won nine of 16 faceoffs
    at the inaugural CCM/USA Hockey All-American Prospects Game on Sept. 29
    in Buffalo. In four games for Lincoln (6-0-0), Johnson has one assist
    and a minus-2 rating.

    “He’s skilled, [but] the physical maturity hasn’t come yet,” NHL
    Network analyst Craig Button told NHL.com. “For a lot of players, going
    to college, especially a player like him, really benefits them. The
    biggest thing they need is time to physically develop and physically
    mature. For him to be successful, he needs physical maturity. It
    [college] is a good, slow build.”

    • DesertHawk

      Another American?

      • 2883

        Looks that way, apparently Stan loves the USA…

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          stan just hates don cherry

      • pompoon

        Ryan Hartman, Tyler Motte, and John Hayden are also Yankees.

      • VanDorp’sMullet

        Swedes and ‘Mercins.

  • 2883
  • derlemke

    What about this Drew LeBlanc guy?

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      RFA’s are a problem for Friday. (LeBlanc, Kruger, Leddy)

      • derlemke

        I just haven’t a thing about LeBlanc in forever. He’s a center correct?

        • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

          Yes.

        • QCBlackhawk

          I liked what I saw from him, but it was a pretty small sample size.
          Some ups, some downs, lotta ins, lotts outs.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            He kidnapped himself.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Well, that’s just like… your opinion, man.

  • amontesawesome

    Is it possible to think moving Bolland was the right call but think Bickell is somewhat overpaid? Because that’s where I’m at.

    4×4 just looks jarring. Psychologically, I would feel better if the contract were 4×3.33 even if the difference in terms of flexibility is negligible because I am an irrational human being.

    • Marian Brossa

      Yep, that sounds like a very possible thing to think.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      I’m with you, but I’ll give StanBo the benefit of the doubt for now. He’s made far more good signings than bad.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      I’m kind of in the same mental space. I’m actually kind of bummed about the Frolik trade. I guess he was making too much, but he’s a hell of a PKer and plays well on the 4th… great energy guy who can (very, very, very occasionally) look like the 1st round pick he was.

      • wowwowweewoo

        I’m with you. High energy guy, brought it every night, super defensively responsible. Not to mention his contract ends on RFA, so we could have resigned him for a more favorable deal later. I’ll miss him for everything but his contract. And now we have to play against him. We’d better have a nails PKer ready to take his place. I think Hossa will phase off that unit, and I liked Toews being the 3rd option… Maybe Saad?

        • lizmcneill

          Ugh if the PK sinks back to 2012 levels we are screwed. Saad or maybe Smith, apparently he was pretty good at it in the Rock. I don’t like Toews or Hossa on the 1st unit, let’s save them for ES.

        • 10thMountainFire

          ‘High energy guy’ is not a stat I have seen.

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          smith is going to be on the PK

    • DDS

      It may seem high at first but Nathan Horton is asking for $6M and 5-6 years. My guess is that Bickell would have got $4.5M per on the open market to a team with Cup fever. I’m happy for him and glad the Hawks were able to keep him.

      • VanDorp’sMullet

        Didn’t know he was asking so much. That’s insane. And I’m sure someone will pay it.

        • CozBullsFan

          Wasn’t that he was asking. It’s what his market value was set at by the offers he was receiving from other teams. He apparently took a discount to stay. That could mean they were offering anywhere from 4.5 to 5.0+ a season.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Sorry, I meant Horton. He’s not worth $6M/yr. That’s nuts. Starting to make the contracts that Kane/Toews/Keith, et al have seem like bargains. I’m already nervous about their next contracts.

          • lizmcneill

            At least Keith doesn’t need a next contract. DDN gives me the jitters though.

          • Z-man19

            and Biscuit

          • mad-hatter

            Biscuit’s here until 2016. His next contract will probably be lower than his current $5.8mil.

          • CozBullsFan

            Oh, they will get paid. That’s a given. I’d almost bet they would take a hometown discount too. They like playing together. The cap will be going up anyways.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Heh … this is exactly what I was saying down below somewhere.

  • VanDorp’sMullet

    Scotty Bowman being interviewed now on NHL.com radio feed.

  • 2883

    Ouch Bickell at 4-4… more than I saw coming… no hometown discount there and if there was one, it was minimal.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Just a couple picks left. I’m out unless there’s more solid news. See ya.

  • BanjoLegs

    So, Bicks is overpaid, yes. But I wonder if we’ll see what we saw with the Oduya signing: Seems like way too much money until real free agency starts up. Bickell is great at 4 if people pay Nathan Horton a million plus more than that.

    • lizmcneill

      Horton was already on 4M. He’ll be looking an upgrade.

      • 2883

        Yup but he may not get it.. There’s not a whole lot of teams out there with 5+ mil burning a hole in their pockets..

  • 2883

    This wasn’t as nearly as painful as 2010… although it still sucks

    • QCBlackhawk

      Wait til free agency and Stals walks, etc.

      • 2883

        i’m fine with Stals leaving, he’s readily replaceable with either Morin or Pirri…

      • 10thMountainFire

        I’m more than alright with Rattlehead leaving. Staying on this team would do nothing but suck up cap space. Q doesn’t like him and won’t play him… and Stals is better off somewhere else, in all honesty.

        • QCBlackhawk

          Probably spun as much as cotton candy, but some of stals and his agents comments lately, in addition to him having been benched makes me wonder if he doesn’t vocally think more of himself than he is.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I agree. I am not the biggest fan of Stals, truth be told.

  • chichicagochi

    Same crowd that complains about lack of size in our draft picks complains about resigning a big skater with a wicked wrister?

    • DesertHawk

      Who’s complaining about those things?

      • 10thMountainFire

        The terrorists?

        • laaarmer

          Our team is too fucking small and we have no wrist shots.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I love you.

          • laaarmer

            Sorry chicagoochi. I could not resist.
            Lets hope we get 2013 playoff Bickell for a whole season.

          • 2883

            Not anymore we got Bickell for all the monies

    • 10thMountainFire

      It’s not that fucking simple. Nuance and complexity are not your enemy.

  • laaarmer

    Odds Bickell gets traded now that he’s signed?

    • 10thMountainFire

      Roughly the same that Accipiter wears pants next season.

      • laaarmer

        2-1?

  • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ PowrFwd37

    Most shocking news of the day for me?

    The trade with SJ…

    I really loved that we had that pick in the 5th round of this year’s draft, but now it is gone, and what did we get in return?

    A 5th rounder in next year’s draft.

    Sad, sad day indeed.

    Fire the StanBo. I was going to get a 2013 5th round pick jersey, but now it will never happen.

    • 2883

      Indeed, awful trade, we should fire Bowman over that shit .

      • VanDorp’sMullet

        WTF? Just when I was beginning to trust the guy he goes ahead and does THIS???!!!

        • 2883

          He clearly does not love lamp…

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Nor big red candles.

    • Guest

      Freeing up cap space and roster spots for for our up and coming ice hogs to prove themselves?

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Stan is nowhere near as good as Talon. For much of his time with the Hawks, Talon kept drafting first or third. Stan keeps drafting last. Lazy bastard.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        I think its because he sucks at roshambo.

      • CozBullsFan

        Heh, someone missed your sarcasm and downboated you.

  • 2883

    Someone forgot to tell Stan that you can draft prospects from any country, not just the US.

    Hawks select Anthony Louis C from the USHL

    • AMR

      You can also draft someone tall as well. He is only 5’7

      • laaarmer

        Kane will tower over him!

        • lizmcneill

          Kaner will be thrilled! Shawsy got bigger than him.

  • 2883

    More on Hawks 6th round pick ANthony Louis..
    From Hockey Prospectus
    77. Anthony Louis, Left Wing, USA Under-18 (USHL)

    Louis is a talented forward who has a high level of puck
    possession ability, and he has been a top player with the USNTDP over
    the past two seasons. The primary reason for this low ranking is his
    size, and it might cause him to freefall beyond this spot on draft day.
    He is small, at about 5’6″-5’7″, but his skill may be worth the gamble.
    One scout mentioned Calgary prospect Johnny Gaudreau as a point of
    reference, saying that small players with talent can be worth it if
    given the time to develop. Louis has the elements expected from a
    talented forward: high-end puck skills, great creativity, superb on-ice
    vision, and good speed. He is also a tough player who will initiate
    contact, fight it out in board battles, and backcheck hard. He finds
    ways to stand out on a nightly basis despite his limited stature. He
    will attend Miami University in the fall.

  • 2883

    I forgot to include the scouting report I found for Carl Dahlstrom from Hockey Prospectus…

    87. Carl Dahlstrom, Defense, Linkoping (J20 SuperElit)

    Dahlstrom will not be a huge standout in any given game, but he
    always looks solid. Despite not being overly skilled, he finds a way to
    positively contribute. He has decent, if not solid mobility, especially
    for a big defenseman. He has the straight-away speed to bring the puck
    up when he is affronted space. He makes a lot of defensive stops, and
    that is his game, although in the Swedish junior league, he showed some
    offensive potential. He is a smart defensive player who can close with
    his body or with his stick. He is also 6’3″, 200 pounds, and while he
    will not crush opponents, he pins well, will lay some hits, and he has
    the strength to push forwards off of pucks. His offensive potential
    remains questionable. In my viewings, he has appeared clumsy and
    unskilled with the puck. I have heard some conflicting reports that
    suggest he has average offensive potential.

  • 2883

    Defending Big D’s draft coverage included this tidbit on Norell who is a bit of a dark horse…

    “Robin Norell, LD, 5″11, 192lbs, Djurgarden J20, SuperElit

    A bit of a dark horse and
    unknown when it comes to Swedish prospects but he has some intriguing
    potential, he’s ranked 70th by the International Scouting Services and
    58th by the Central Scouting Services. He’s a strong two way defensemen
    who is a good skater and keep his play simple and good. He makes good
    decisions and gets the puck out of his own zone very well. He’s a bit of
    unknown compared to other Swedish prospects however. He basically could
    go anywhere between the third or seventh rounds depending on how
    throughly a team has scouted this interesting prospect.”

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    stan loves these little scrappy guys

    • laaarmer

      !!

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        Great analogy, but down boat for ANY mention of Scrappy Doo.

        • laaarmer

          rut rarky.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Wait… did he draft Pierre McGuire?

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        Scrappy, not crappy.

  • laaarmer

    CNS. One of your best.

    • ChicagoNativeSon

      Ha! I just logged on to post that. Thank’s laarmer.

      Bolland’s wife, then fiancee, had that pshop as her FB avatar for quite a while.

      Now I need to do one replacing Davey with Luongo. Bahaha!

      • laaarmer

        You’re welcom CS

        • Kevin

          Laarrms, I congratulate you on paying tribute to the all time great Blackhawk. A man who was repsonsible for bringing us Stanley Cup Glory TWICE. An amazing man who never got the appreciation here that he richly deserved.

          I will be watching him in Toronto and I’ll be rooting on a true hero and an either greater man.

      • cliffkoroll

        this was just posted over at pension plan puppets too, including your logo.

      • Accipiter

        Look at all those upboats !!!

        • Kevin

          Today, I feel like someone kicked me in the gut, bashed my teeth in, and took away my son. I can’t begin to tell in words how much this deeply hurts. Crushing, deflating, and truly horrible. Dave, you will be missed. Damn.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            “I can’t begin to tell in words…”

            Yet…um…oh, never mind.

      • DaveM36

        Of all the things I’ve come across at SCH and CI, this is still, by far, the best thing.

    • Kevin

      This is the saddest day of our Blackhawk lives. Dave Bolland was to the Blackhawks is what Mark Messier was to the NY Rangers in the mid 90′s and what Ken Dryden was to the Montreal Canadiens in the 1970′s. He was the heart and soul.

      Dave you will be missed. #RetireNumber36.

  • Z-man19

    One of my favorite Bolly moments

    http://youtu.be/NxwjGft-0RU
    Thanks for everything DFB

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Luongo’s capitulating…. Great comment by the color guy.

  • 2883

    Ugh, Robin Press a Swedish defenseman is the Hawks 7th round pick.

    Stan <3's American undersized forwards (AKA PKane) and stay at home Swedish Dmen (AKA Hammer)

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      hayden is undersized? 6’2” 220?

      ah nevermind i misread your comment. he did pick a lot of little sandpaper type guys. hartman isnt that small though.

  • 2883

    Finding stuff on Robin Press is proving to be difficult..

    Bill Meltzer of Hockeybu…fuck it I’m not putting what he wrote..

    HP Had him as the 213th best prospect…

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=36616 There’s his stats.. Enjoy

    • Z-man19

      thanks for the effort 2883, appreciate it

      • laaarmer
        • Z-man19

          thanks Erik, most helpful

          • laaarmer

            Let me know if you are ever in Iceland. I can get you a deal on shorts.

          • laaarmer

            Translate it.

          • 2883

            It’s a fluff interview. How do you think the team did etc…

          • laaarmer

            I think it’s quite funny how it translates

            - We drove our (pp) variant then. Damien
            (Fleury) had to take shots in the middle since then … he missed the
            puck a little bit and it was guided through the castle to me on the far
            (post) so I had an open goal, says Robin Press.

          • Z-man19

            you translate, I’m looking for shorts

      • 2883

        Thanks… I had a few sites up.. But they became less and less relevant as the draft wore on

  • Oregon_hawk

    Here we are:

    CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
    My Custom Lineup
    FORWARDS
    Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
    Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Brandon Pirri ($0.870m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
    Brandon Saad ($0.894m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.578m) / Jeremy Morin ($0.887m)
    Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Marcus Kruger ($1.500m) / Ben Smith ($0.563m)
    Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
    Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
    Michal Rozsival ($2.500m) / Nick Leddy ($2.000m)
    Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m)
    GOALTENDERS
    Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
    Antti Raanta ($1.400m)
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,379,295; BONUSES: $1,040,000
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,960,705

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      you have rozsival re-signed? interesting

      • Z-man19

        I would, platoon him and Moonpie til the games get important

      • Oregon_hawk

        Him or someone else for about the same amount – i wouldn’t trust brookbank in the playoffs. He was pretty rough in his… one appearance?

        Same as top lines – those guys or others for the same amount. Point being, we have space to mess around with. I wouldn’t want to have 4 rookies on the bottom 6, thats for sure.

        I wouldnt want bollig or carbomb either

        • Z-man19

          I think one of Bollig or Carillo is a virtual certainty for at least 50 games

          • 10thMountainFire

            Stop that. Stop that right now!

          • Z-man19

            I’d just as soon not have it, but I have zero evidence it will be otherwise

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          gotta start the kids somewhere. i think that saad/shaw/morin line could be pretty fucking gnarly.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I pair Saad up with Marvel and watch Manchild net 60 points next season.

        • VerStig

          Don’t forget 2010 though.

          #itcouldhavebeenboynton

    • CozBullsFan

      That’s not all that bad. Gives us a little room to maybe do something at the trade deadline.

    • mad-hatter

      I’m expecting Hayes stays down in Rockford with Stan signing some UFA, Gordon maybe. Rozsival returning is now a possibility which would be nice.

  • Z-man19

    this one is pretty good too

    http://youtu.be/UP_XD1mvxvc

    • guest

      If you told me that night that, of bickbofro, the only one to still be here in 2014 would be bickell I would have laughed so hard I cried

      Hell, that would have happened this morning

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    Anyone have any knowledge about players in history who developed similarly to bicks?

    • laaarmer

      Pete Joseph Mahovlich

  • laaarmer

    Pete Mahovlich

  • laaarmer

    Somebody said Hartman went to Fremd? Is this correct?

    • Z-man19

      I think I heard that somewhere but can’t find confirmation

      • laaarmer

        2 years at Fremd then to Ann Arbor is what I heard.

  • Toews still makes funny faces!

    I got this transcript from the NSA snoop program

    Call From, Stanley Bowman to David Bolland: 1635 EDT 30JUN2013

    Bolland: (Voice Mail recording) Hello this is Dave, I am out with my good buddy Satan today sorry I could not take your call rookie since I know you are the only ones who would be calling be today on this phone, right! Leave a message and I’ll get backc to you as soon as we are done roasting these baby seals we clubbed this morning.

    Bowman: Hey Dave, this is Stan, I have got news for you, you are going to be thrilled. call m when you get this!

    Call From, Stanley Bowman to David Bolland: 1701 EDT 30JUN2013

    Bolland: (Voice Mail recording) This is Dave, I am sorry I could not take your call I am preoccupied with, uh uh uh, soul feasting. Leave a message and I will call you back

    Bowman: Okay Dave, serious you need to call, your future is bright, we really need just to remain civil and talk, okay. Later.

    Call From, Stanley Bowman to David Bolland: 1728 EDT 30JUN2013

    Bolland: (Voice Mail recording) This is Dave, I am sorry I could not take your call but my good bud and me are sitting outside a , um, friends house right now. Leave a message and we’ll call you back

    Bowman: Dave please call me. Seriously I am scared now. Let me know you still love me and everything is alright, okay…………………..Dave……………………….Dave……………………….Hello?? ……………………………………..Shit……………………………

  • MattC86

    Sad to see Bolly and Fro go, but these were fairly expected (and good) moves. There’s a lot of kids who will get some exposure over the next two years, and that’s a good thing.

    I’m not truly mortified by the Bickell deal either. Yes, it’s too much, but he would have fetched 5 on the open market, and the Hawks just don’t have a guy to play like him (yes, as Block noted – when he does indeed play with that size). Hayes hasn’t done it in the A or in the show. BIckell should get twenty goals next season, if he keeps the compete level high enough to remain in the top six.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Now we’re saying Bickell would have gotten $5 million per year offers? Are we all imagining things?

      No one is giving Bickell $5 million per year. He’s never scored 20 goals in a season and until April was a nobody. Seriously, a nobody.

      • DesertHawk

        Have you paid attention to free agent signings in the last few years? Bicks would have made bank.

        • laaarmer

          I think he did make bank.

          • DesertHawk

            Mo’ bank, if you will.

          • laaarmer

            I would like to meet Moe bank

        • 10thMountainFire

          I can’t believe that, based on 8 weeks of play after years of average-to-below average play he suddenly earns $5 million per year in a multi-year deal. This is madness.

          • CozBullsFan

            I agree that it is madness.. Something you can’t really fight though. That’s the way the market works in the NHL.

          • mad-hatter

            It is madness. Welcome to the NHL.

          • DesertHawk

            He’s never been average to below average… where’s CNS he’s got the Bick stats.

          • VerStig

            I’d like to see where CNS stands on the $4 x 4 figure…

          • laaarmer

            Currently CNS is making a photoshop of Bicks picking up a check. He is sitting with Kane Toews Sharp Keith and Seabrook. It’s the big boy table.

          • 10thMountainFire

            He must be in Hossa’s seat. Tell Bicks to fucking move.

          • laaarmer

            Hossa has his own table in the back.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Well fucking played, friend.

          • 10thMountainFire

            We already saw the Bick stats. He’s not an above average player. And for $4 million he better hit about 25g and 25a MINIMUM even while not playing with DDN.

          • CozBullsFan

            Hell. Kane only did 11 points better than that a year ago and look what he gets paid. Bicks might surprise you. He’s finally played to his size all year. His numbers were decent. Did well in the playoffs.

        • CozBullsFan

          Yup. One good season = big pay day in today’s league.

          • 10thMountainFire

            And the worst part is… he didn’t have a good season. He had a good 30 games.

          • CozBullsFan

            Yeah, it sucks. Stan had to make a couple tough decisions today. We may not agree with the contract Bicks got. It’s still better than losing Bicks this year, Bolland next, and the 3 drafts picks for Bolland if Stan would have done nothing.

          • Z-man19

            How about this, Stan cleared 6 mil in cap space taken up by 2, 3-4th line guys, got 5 picks in the process and signed Bicks. I’ll agree to wait and see on Bicks, but that’s not a bad days work for Stan

          • CozBullsFan

            Not bad at all!

          • cliffkoroll

            Jesus the apologists are out early. I like Stan, but is there one thing he did today that was like “Wow. How many GMs could have pulled that off.”?

            Today was Stan’s first big test. He made hard choices. But this is not a scan-tron test- we won’t know the results for a while.

          • laaarmer

            You mean we have to watch the games again? What fun is that?

          • Z-man19

            On the same day a team traded their number 1 goalie for the 9th pick in the draft?

          • cliffkoroll

            Stand Bowman: Not As Dumb As Mike Gillis!

            This is your rallying cry?

          • laaarmer

            Damn you! I just posted similar.

          • Z-man19

            What do you want cliff? The alternatives were to not sign Bicks, probably lose Bolly after next year and keep Fro. He got 5 picks for Bo/Fro and signed Bicks. We’ll see how it turns out, but right now that looks like a decent days work

          • 10thMountainFire

            You could have let Bicks go and paid Bollie for an extension… I’m not saying you do that but it was an alternative.

          • cliffkoroll

            You know what I want- Bolland instead of Bickell.

            Barring that, I humbly ask that the queue lining up to rub Stan off for another Day of Genius give it a fucking rest.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Cliff has a valid point. Whether or not we agree with it, it is a valid argument.

          • Z-man19

            I’ll let it go, but do I have to get out of line?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Your version of “humbly” makes me giggle. Who’s rubbing him off, incidentally? Bickell walking for nothing would have been a good idea? Because it seems to me that’s the major consequence of the position you’re arguing.

          • cliffkoroll

            All right, I definitely needed to be reeled in, and you’re just the guy for the job. Letting Bickell walk (conditional 5th rounder?) is an unexamined underside of my recommendation.

            But you’re arguing one level up- the merits of Bolland vs. Bickell.

            I’m just saying: given the decision (Bickell over Bolland), implementation is pretty simple. Toronto is correctly happy to give up what ppp calls ‘magic beans’ for Bolland, and $4 million for 4 years is a far cry from a ‘coup’ for Bickell.

            Props for executing on a couple mundane transactions? I thought he was on salary.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            True, the execution wasn’t exactly a notch for the HOF ballot. I’m sure there might have been other takers, and maybe better deals too, but my guess is that Stan wouldn’t once have considered trading this particular player to a Western team.

            4 mil for this year’s Joel Ward … it’s hardly a hometown discount, is it. But then it’s not like we’re in Crosby tiers here. When I read how much Letang was holding out for (a quarter million), it sort of put discounts into perspective. For a player like Bickell, who knows, maybe discount means 50K.

            For me, either way I would have been pissed. What panned out, for me, is the better of two bads.

          • Waylon

            Sorry, this was already covered previously .

          • laaarmer

            So we will compare ourselves to Vancouver to prove we are doing it right?

            I’m not completely with cliff here, but Bickell is the latest of late bloomers. Let’s hope he does what we all hope he does.

          • Waylon

            True, but we know one thing, and that is Stan doesn’t suck at his job, like Gillis or so many other GM’s right now. So he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

          • DesertHawk

            That’s specious, he had a good 3 seasons leading up to it. For his pay and ice time dude’s never been a slouch.

          • CozBullsFan

            He also worked for league minimum for 3 years so I think he’s earned it.

          • 10thMountainFire

            With all due respect, Bicks did NOT have three good seasons. In fact, the first half of 2011-2012 he was fucking awful. I think he even sat a good portion of those games.

          • Kevin

            The Hawks are hedging their bets on the knowledge that we struggled in 3 straight years without Big Buff (the big man could score in the playoffs) as a big physical presence in front of the net.

            The bottom line is this. We couldn’t find a replacement for #33 and it cost us. Hawks don’t want to make that mistake again.

      • MattC86

        Jay Feaster? Glen Sather (though this year the Rags have no cap space to play with)? Ken Holland practically has to offer somebody $5M just to think about playing in Detroit. He would have gotten the offer.

        The salaries just go up and up and up, man. Especially when it’s the one skill area where the Hawks don’t have any alternatives.

        • 10thMountainFire

          You’ve jaded me. I’m so broken now.

          You get an upboat.

      • Toews still makes funny faces!

        The Hawks overpaid Bicks by at least $500,000 a year on average, and IMHO by $650,000/yr. He has NOT established himself as a reliable 2nd Line forward like he is getting paid for!

        • 10thMountainFire

          100% fucking THIS!

          I LOVE YOU.

        • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

          I would say overpaid by perhaps a million by the end of the contract, but I’m not gonna worry about 1/64th (or less in four years) of the salary cap. Not happy, but not outraged.

        • Kevin

          He’s getting paid for the the rest of his final 4 years of his prime, but I agree as he hasn’t had a solid full season of productivity … only the potential of just one playoff season. This one is a total crapshoot. I think he will be serviceable in his upcoming years, so i am optimistic.

  • DesertHawk

    Anyone got a complete list of who we drafted?

  • VerStig

    Fro…

    It had to be the Jets again, huh?

    • CozBullsFan

      If you can’t draft like them, just trade for their players!

      • Accipiter

        Draft like the Florida Panthers ?

        • CozBullsFan

          Hahaha. Yes.

  • Toews still makes funny faces!

    Is it October yet?

    The Baseball season sucks, I want SMOAR Hockey!

    • Z-man19

      I’m on board with that

    • 10thMountainFire

      What baseball season?

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    Bicks contract is big..but its not an albatross and its not a huge overpayment. The guy is just entering his prime, can be slotted all throughout the lineup, and if he gets top six time consistently this year who knows maybe he contributes a good amount. I just think its premature to pass any judgement on this or look into our crystal balls and automatically assume he is going to be mis-managed and relegated to the bottoms six once more.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I thought the idea of playing him with DDN was what drove his value?

      He can’t play ‘everywhere’. In fact, he’s proven that unless he plays with Marvel and Humpty Hump he won’t put up numbers that justify $4 million per season.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        i meant if called upon he can play a checking role effectively, obviously its not where he should be the majority of the time but if needed that is a valuable trait. I clearly stated he should be getting consistent top 6 minutes and whos to say he wont?and no i dont want to hear any of the clairvoyant “its Q, what do you think will happen?” bullshit because queneville clearly valued and trusted him this post season, and i think thats enough to believe that he will be given a chance to retain his spot in the regular season. Contracts keep getting more and more expensive, 4 million for bickell really isnt that much.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Saying that about Q isn’t ‘clairivoyant’. It’s fucking history. What else are you going to assume if not based on Q’s fucking history? That all of the sudden his lines are the most consistent in the NHL and he rarely juggles pairings and lines?

          • Z-man19

            His lines were as consistent this year as they ever have been.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Eventually Q remembered who he was. He was largely handcuffed during the streak, which lasted half the season. There was typical Q juggling throughout the second half and into the post season.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            Automatically stating bickell is going to play majority bottom six minutes is just dumb in my opinion. he will be given every bit a chance to prove he belongs in the spot that netted him this contract.

          • 10thMountainFire

            So, simple question:

            Based on Bickell’s history in the NHL you think the Hawks are justified in paying him $4 million per? A man who has never had an entire year of above-average play (usually the pre-requisite for a contract like the one he received) and exactly one above-average playoff season?

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            hawks needed to retain him, they have exactly 0 players that would be able to do what he does on the roster. the price of that was playing to the market and they did that. context is king. bickell is entering his prime. his playing style, skills, and size are not common in one package. he paid his dues, he gave the hawks 3 years at league minimum and out-performed the shit out of that contract. i think its justified. when we all wouldve been happy with 3-3.5, it just really isnt that big of a difference at the end of the day.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I didn’t expect him to get a serious offer over $3 million per. I was wrong. Next year will be interesting. I hope he progresses to top-6 status like the money he’s earning.

            Then we can win the Cup. Again.

      • neo1978

        And without Bolland, that is your number one defensive line.

        • lizmcneill

          I miss Bolly already.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Oy.

          Saving grace is that Stan likely isn’t done so we’ll see more pieces.

          • CozBullsFan

            I said it before and I’ll say it again. Boyd Gordon please.

          • Z-man19

            yes please

          • lizmcneill

            Him or someone like him. I don’t see Kruger or any of the Hogs ready to step into Bolly’s Bauers yet in that regard, and I’d rather Toews stayed alive to get to the post-season.

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        He put up the 3rd best EV numbers for a 3rd liner in Hawks history back in 2011, without DDN, and playing against the league’s top competition, and he put up good numbers in the reg season with Shaw and that guy who used to play for the Hawks, so I believe you are mistaken.

        • cliffkoroll

          Did you skip lightly over 2011-2012? stanfordron wants to know.

          • Z-man19

            heh

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            If I remember correctly, Kane was the only one to have an off year that season.

          • lizmcneill

            Even slumping, coming back from wrist surgery, all over the depth chart Kane is good for 66 points. Not enough from him, yeah, but bad Bicks was…in the press box.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            You must be talking about Bickell’s wrist surgery, right?

          • lizmcneill

            Did Bicks have wrist surgery before/during whichever season he had the healthy scratch stretch as well?

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Bicks…

    Okay, it’s more money than I wanted to see us give him, but only by about a million in the second year, maybe a million and a half by the end, but who knows what will happen to the cap by then. I’m not gonna go postal over 1/64th of the salary cap.

    If Q continues to play him on the first like with DDN, he could be worth it. I’ll feel better (or worse) once I see the whole roster, namely signing our own FA’s, as I don’t see StanBo breaking with tradition to dive into a free agent market that is obviously over priced.

    Not happy, but not outraged. Bring on July 5, then bring on October.

    • 10thMountainFire

      When was the last time Q played someone on a line where belonged for good stretches? Isn’t going to happen. I think this is a bad contract.

      • Z-man19

        What part of 19-20-81 didn’t you care for? That line was together for most of the regular season. I might add the 3rd line of 65-29-25 as well.

        • 10thMountainFire

          He broke it up at the end. That line was unreal. I was pissed beyond words that it broke up.

          I can understand Kane and 19 in the playoffs as Panda was injured… but I love 19-20-81. LOVE.

          • Z-man19

            And the results of breaking that up were? I’ll cut Q some slack and see what he comes up with next year

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            bingo…hoss and toews on the same line was too top heavy in my opinion.

          • neo1978

            And you do know that he broke that line up because of the Bickell injury.

            But also because the Bruins top line was most of that teams scoring. So stop that line and you put a pretty big dent in the Bruins. So I didn’t have a problem with Toews and Hossa for that series. Now the season?

        • neo1978

          70% of Toews’ time was on that line. 45% of his points came from that line.

          • lizmcneill

            Too many 2-way possession dudes, not enough finish?

          • CozBullsFan

            I’m confused as to what you mean by not enough finish. You can never have too many 2-way players.

          • mad-hatter

            If they’re all on one line, yes, you certainly can have too many 2-way players. Toews scored 23 goals with Hossa and Saad. Kane did so with spare parts.

          • CozBullsFan

            Yes, they were top heavy. Hossa liked having a left shooting C so he’ll get that in Pirri. That allows Kane to stay up with Captain. Bicks on 1st, saad to the 3rd. everyone wins.

          • mad-hatter

            I’ve learned not to expect things from Q.

          • Accipiter

            I expect the improbable from Q

          • CozBullsFan

            Heh, me too. A guy can dream though, right?

          • mad-hatter

            I’ll be dreaming right along with you!

          • lizmcneill

            Q’s big on his puck-winner, playmaker, finisher lines. Seriously Saad Panda? All primarily puck-winners IMO. Bolly and the Patricks? Not a puckwinner in sight. Kaner at the boards digging pucks out himself. Share the love, Q.

          • neo1978

            I think puck possession tends to reflect production because there is a coach involved. When something isn’t working, a coach usually makes changes. He didn’t in this case.

    • Toews still makes funny faces!

      Postal no,
      But $500,000-$750,000/yr can be a okay 4th liner or enough of a difference to draw in a quality 2-3 liner ABOVE Bicks quality of play! In the Cap era, you need to penny pinch every chance and not overpay(unless you are fighting to get to the floor)

  • ChicagoNativeSon

    Bickell wass a role player, but he just moved up the food chain. I think he got overpaid by $0.5M, but left wingers who are good skaters, can contribute on any line, are decent passers, can play solid defense, play physical, AND score goals just don’t grow on trees.

    Bickell didn’t play the physical game until this season. If he can continue at the level in all areas he played for much of this past season, and esp in the playoffs, he’ll be a very valuable keep.

    The key word is “if” because the sample size is still small on him finally putting it all together. But if the 2010 and 2013 playoffs proved anything, when the refs put away the whistles, you need a talented banger like Buff or Bickell to open up the ice for your skilled players. Hawks don’t have another Bickell in waiting. Hayes isn’t that guy, definitely not yet at least.

    And to those who feel the Hawks kept the wrong player by trading Bolland. Love me some Davey, but Q used Bolland and the 3rd line COMPLETELY different this past season than he had in years past. Therefore Bolly became expendable. Hawks will need another veteran 3C or 4C center though. 2C is probably Pirri’s to lose next season. FYI, I’m a huge Pirri fan.

    And as an early Bickell fan (one of his only it seemed for quite a spell), I’m overly proud of his recent accolades. But the world just changed for Lord Bryan. He’s no longer a great “value player” – all eyes will be on him on a daily basis, and that’s exactly how often he’ll have to bring it. No nights off. Again, especially come playoff time.

    Time to put on the big boy pants, little lord.

  • laaarmer

    Oh my god! The world is ending!

    • 10thMountainFire

      Vancouver won Lord Stanley’s Cup?

      • Toews still makes funny faces!

        No, that is just hell freezing over!

    • Z-man19

      can I have your stuff?

      • mad-hatter

        He’s not your dad.

    • Accipiter

      Again ?

  • The Doctor

    Four mill for Bicks? Yikes.

    Sample size, Stan. Sample size.

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    Floatin my idea

    FORWARDS
    Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
    Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Brandon Pirri ($0.870m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
    Brandon Saad ($0.894m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.578m) / Jeremy Morin ($0.887m)
    Marcus Kruger ($1.500m) / Boyd Gordon ($2.000m) / Ben Smith ($0.563m)
    Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
    Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Nick Leddy ($2.500m)
    Johnny Oduya ($3.383m) / Ryan Stanton ($0.750m)
    Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m)
    GOALTENDERS
    Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
    Antti Raanta ($1.400m)
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,254,295; BONUSES: $852,500
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,898,205

    • mad-hatter

      I think Kruger could go for $1.25mil, and I’m hoping Gordon could go for less, maybe $1.8mil? That would allow Rozsival to come back

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        While I am a big fan of rozsival, i would very much like to see the hawks develop some of their rookie d men. when they brought out smith and stanton on the stage at the rally, i saw that as a pretty big pointer to the idea they will both be on the starting roster next season.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Upboat. Totally agree on Rosy.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Not so much in agreement. As stupid as Q is and as lucky he is to get the team he has because anybody could win every cup with them, he’s been pretty successful with using the experienced blue-liners in Lord Stanley’s Shinny & Skeet Shoot Tourneyment. Not so comfortable if you replace Rozi with Leddy in this last endeavor.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I believe the opposite of your analysis of Q; I believe Q had more to do with guiding this team to a championship this year than any coach in recent years. I was very impressed with his adjustments to injuries, how he did get Bicks to emerge in the post-season by placing him on that line, and how he stuck with Crow throughout and gave him a shit-ton of confidence after Emery’s great season. He resisted pulling the trigger and made some impressive moves. Credit where it’s due… Q was outstanding this season.

          • Why

            You and I are buddies now. I also like the most successful coach in franchise history.

          • CozBullsFan

            But what about Keenan!?

          • Why

            He won less cups with the Hawks than Kompon.

          • CozBullsFan

            It was a joke. lol

          • Why

            I just want to remind everyone about Jamie Kompon, two time reigning and defending Stanley Cup champion.

          • CozBullsFan

            Ah yes, the master of our almighty PP. Thanks LA.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Kompon is a dynasty.

          • Accipiter

            #BrokenKomponStyle

          • 1benmenno

            The more rings you have the better you are. This year Jonathan Toews finally caught up with Dustin Penner.

          • Accipiter

            And Colin Fraser.

          • 1benmenno

            So we agree: some folks earn the cup, the others are along for the ride.

          • mad-hatter

            How dare you, Carello was a vital part of this team—

            Nope. Can’t finish it.

          • Joe Banks

            And you were doing so well…

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Who are both obviously infinitely better than JR.

          • 1benmenno

            Or the 2002 Hossa.

          • Accipiter

            Only guy better that ’02 Hossa is Keenan.

          • Joe Banks

            Because it’s the Blackhawks, man…
            Hey, wait a minute!

          • 10thMountainFire

            That stings.

          • 2883

            I heard he balls so hard Gary Bettman wants to fine him.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            is your sarcasm meter broken?

          • 10thMountainFire

            I don’t have a sarcasm meter. I believe they installed extra anger in that spot. But you get an upboat for helping me out.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            After two Stanley Cups in 4 years with vastly different rosters, anybody who says Q doesn’t know what he’s doing is: an idiot, a troll or a comedian with weak material. I’m the last option there.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I love you.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Imma just go get a little penicillin…

          • 10thMountainFire

            You’ll need more than a little.

          • Toews still makes funny faces!

            Q is an idiot. Just imagine how much gooder he Hawks would have been if they had GMMG and AV ruining the show!

          • Kevin

            I know. Could you imagine if Mike had this team and what he could do with it?

          • Accipiter

            Keenan.

          • Joe Banks

            I’ll drink to that!
            And Quenneville Sucks…. well, he sucks.

          • Z-man19

            this is a tough call. Hammer is up for a new contract after next year, Oduya and Seabs the year after. Do you sign Rosz up for another year or two when you’re probably going to have to use a young D at some point in the next 2 years?

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            great point on that last sentence.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            What I think is going to happen is that they do go with the kids from Rockville for the season and acquire a seasoned D-man or two at the trade deadline for playoff activity should it appear to be needed. I think Q has proved his point that stamina wins regular season games and experience wins the cup. So, probably no Rozi going forward, but i don’t expect Leddy to be permanent #5 de facto.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            i think we should all back off a little bit with the “q is an idiot” meme weve been running here for a while, if anything we should have learend that he does make his decisions for a reason and most of the time we wont know what the reason is. this post season should be a lesson for everyone in making judgements on uninformed perspectives.

          • Z-man19

            I’m not so sure there wasn’t some sarcasm in BHH’s post though

          • mad-hatter

            You’re telling me that Shinny & Skeet Shoot Tourneyment wasn’t serious? fuck.

          • Z-man19

            the stupid as Q is part

          • mad-hatter

            how were his SATs?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            sar·casm
            /ˈsärˌkazəm/

            Noun –
            The use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

            Synonyms
            irony

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Uh, there’s no dot in “sarcasm” … brainiac.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            You tell that to the googles because I heard around these parts cut-and-pastes are acceptable comments.

          • 2883

            cut-and-pastes are acceptable comments.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            the whole comment?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I edited it to make it more comprehensible

          • Joe Banks

            Quenneville is NOT an idiot. But I hear he sucks.

        • mad-hatter

          If I recall correctly, wasn’t Beach at the rally in 2010? I’m not looking into it too much. I’m just not looking forward to a Leddy/Stanton, Leddy/Clendening or Leddy/Brookbank third pairing. Put Brookbank down in minors, and then platoon Rozsival and the Hog.

          • Z-man19

            I good with this

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            perhaps, i just like stanton and think hes earned his chance. watched him during the lockout and i thought he played very well vs the blues in the season closer.

          • 2883

            Leddy/Clendening were a pair during the lockout at Rockford and supposedly learned from each other/were successful

          • mad-hatter

            So I’ve heard, and Stan’s mentioned Clendening more than he’s Stanton. But both are similar type players and the idea of Leddy being the babysitter in this situation makes me nervous. Obviously Q can change the pairings to compensate. Perhaps a reuniting of Leddy and Hammer? Might work this time because of Hammer’s improvement

          • 2883

            Their games are actually very different. From what I’ve read isn’t Stanton more of a SAH guy vs Clendening who is a puckmover

          • mad-hatter

            oops, I mean Leddy and Clendening are similar, not Stanton.

          • 2883

            True. Their games are somewhat similar, Clendening’s probably not as good of a skater… and I think I read something about Clendening being a good point shot..

          • mad-hatter

            Another benefit of all these Hogs coming up is we may have a mildly competent PP. Rockford had the best powerplay in the AHL, I think.

          • 1benmenno

            That is good news. Not kidding.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            unless dent is getting an assistant gig, i dont see it.

          • CozBullsFan

            I say we devise a plan to kidnap Kompon so they have to bring him up.

          • mad-hatter

            The personnel of each unit may be half the problem, because I doubt Kompon had them standing around and passing to each other on that blurred out white board.

          • CozBullsFan

            If I remember correctly, wasn’t that exactly what LA did too?

          • mad-hatter

            I don’t know, but the Hawks have been shitty on the PP for years, regardless of who the assistant was.

          • Why

            Yep.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            except when the backdoor play worked. sharp cleaned up that year.

          • mad-hatter

            Yeah, and then the Patricks tried doing that play in 2012 and it didn’t work.

          • lizmcneill

            and then everyone in the league came to expect it.

          • CozBullsFan

            I think the biggest problem is the lack of a real PP QB. Leddy did well when given the opportunity. Losing Soupy hurt us big time on the PP.

          • mad-hatter

            Here’s hoping Leddy gets first unit responsibility next year. For a majority of this season, the PP did best when Leddy and Kane were on the ice together.

          • lizmcneill

            Leddy and Kaner looked semi-competent. At least their wheels meant they got into the damn zone sharpish.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            “just keep passing boys, a lane will open up eventually. and when it does, pass it again to really surprise them”

          • lizmcneill

            believe it when I see it, more worried about the PK TBH. Anyone more familiar with the Hogs PK see Fro 2.0 anywhere?

          • lizmcneill

            So we don’t need another puckmover if we’re keeping Odie. I think we see Stants this year.

    • 2883

      No matter what CNS or Chris Block or the AHL stats he put up say, trusting Brandon Pirri to centre the 2nd line makes me skin itch.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        sometimes you gotta just toss the kid in to see if he can swim. sharp and hoss are adequate buoys and pirri has shown good drive and a will to learn and improve his shortcomings. did he asked to be put on the PK in the rock because he knew his defensive play was a bit weak?

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          so that’s where the slang “He’s my buoy” comes from.

          • VerStig

            “my buoy Blue!”

        • 2883

          Yeah but watching someone drown is painful.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            hey im not saying there wont be stretches where hes underwater, and drowning doesnt preclude death (ask anyone whose been through the “drown-proofing” exercises many special forces employ)

          • 2883

            I don’t think he’s tall enough to survive a drowning.

          • CozBullsFan

            He would be a floater with his lung capacity though.

          • 2883

            Funny, i would describe his game as a floater as well

          • CozBullsFan

            He wasn’t that bad. Now Hammer a year ago was a real floater. Leddy has had him moments though.

        • red palace

          And he’ll have 82 games to get his bearings.

      • Toews still makes funny faces!

        It makes my head hurt that that is perhaps the best option. I need a tall cold cup of Stanley Cup Brew to stop thinking about that right now!

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    It hasn’t even been a week and we’re fighting over Leddy? We ARE incorrigible.

    • 2883

      And Bickell…

      • 1benmenno

        I’d rather have a Bickell than ride my motor-sickle

        • 2883

          yeah I mean I would rather have Bickell than 4 mil in cap space, but I would have rather had 3.5 mil in cap space with Bickell signed.. rather than 4.

          • 1benmenno

            I stand by my statement

          • Accipiter

            You better be standing next to that motor-sickle.

          • 1benmenno

            If I didn’t stand next to it, it would fall over, wouldn’t it?

          • Accipiter

            So long as you ain’t ridin’ it.

          • 1benmenno

            You make a strong case for gravity.

          • Z-man19

            A good laugh before bed

          • bizarrohairhelmet
          • 1benmenno

            That’s horrible. I laughed. And felt dirty.

          • 2883

            Would you ride on your statement though?

          • 1benmenno

            It goes without saying.

      • goldenjet

        What a pickle

    • Why

      They took my Bolland.

  • Why

    Did we all see the Tribune’s photos of Patrick Kane in what appears to be a dragon-rooster hat dancing around with the Cup at a Jimmy Buffet concert?

    http://galleries.apps.chicagotribune.com/chi-130625-blackhawks-bring-home-stanley-cup-trophy-pictures/#chi-kane-at-buffett-20130629

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      On behalf of everyone, I don’t know.

    • red palace

      And the night before it went to the Rush concert. It’s got a thing for 70s music.

    • lizmcneill

      Oh Kaner, you were born without shame or embarrassment.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Jimmy Fucking Buffet. I hurled enough last night, I don’t want to begin again today.

  • cliffkoroll

    Dave and Bickell (tl;dr)

    Dave and Bickell go way back. Second round picks (#32 and #41) of the Hawks’ Dale Tallon in 2004, their careers diverged and converged interestingly over the following decade, culminating in a Nice Problem to Have for Stan Bowman, for which he has been duly lauded.

    Both guys made their mark in the OHL – Bickell posted solid numbers for Ottawa, while Dave rang up silly numbers for London. Both enjoyed a cup of tea with the big club in 2006-07.

    Alas, Bickell toiled in the AHL while Dave embarked on a dizzying run, posting a career high 47 points on the Hawks 2008-09 playoff team, inking a $3.375 per year contract, and playing a key role on the 2010 Stanley Cup winner.

    Bickell skated 16 regular season and 4 playoff games on the Cup winner, but no name on the Cup. Ouch.

    Worse luck – the salary cap meant there was no money to go around. Roster spots would be determined by salary. It cut so exceedingly fine that a $700,000 or higher salary might mean a ticket to Rockford.

    Bickell saw the writing on the wall. To secure a spot in the NHL, he signed a three-year minimum wage deal. And, despite an eyebrow-raising
    stretch of underperformance and benching during 2011-2012, this was arguably the best value contract in the NHL over the past three years.

    Dave, on the other hand, has seen his productivity dip from his 2008-09 standard, and 2012-13 was his worst year.

    Now Bickell is actually a few months older than Dave, but there is a decided impression that Bickell is a ‘late bloomer’ or in some way on an upward trajectory, while Dave ‘ain’t what he used to be’. I think this is interesting.

    It might be true. If so, it may have something to do with the fact that Dave has played 141 MORE games in the NHL than Bickell. Look at Dave – 6 foot, 180 pounds, vs. 6 foot 4, 235 Bickell.

    So, maybe some of this. For the Hawks sake, I hope so. But, to me, this reasoning feels more like ‘extrapolation from recent experience’that can often by faulty. Just now, the market for Bolland is deserted, while Bickell Preferred is soaring. Why, just a year ago, I coulda bought Hjalmarsson futures for pennies on the dollar.

    Enjoyable interlude: Now fast forward to last Monday, pause on the delicious goals, 17 seconds apart, by Bickell and Dave. Enjoy the HD close-up of Bickell and Dave literally (I know) feasting on the hearts of the fans of Boston, blood and viscera glistening in their teeth.

    Not surprising, because one thing these two have in common is a habit of playoff bad-assery. That’s what makes this so painful. In 38 playoff games (sample size?), Bickell has basically out-Daved Dave: 13G, 11A, and an absurd +17. For better and worse, Bickell’s ‘step-up’ from the regular season is more lopsided than Dave.

    So many important elements to playoff success that both of these guys bring, but so different from each other. And so hard to replace.

    As exasperating as he has been, I think Dave fills a ‘harder to fill’ hole, so I woulda kept him, especially at $4 million for Bickell, but I understand how important a player Bickell has been and can be.

    Damn- maybe we shoulda got rid of Leddy.

    • Why

      The team got worse today. It wasn’t a good day.

      It’s kind of fun rooting for a team where the big questions are about the third line center and not the starting goalie though, isn’t it? Also, we stockpiled some picks and assets for next year’s Bolland at the deadline deal.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Stan’s not done. Let’s not do the ‘they’re worse’ thing yet.

        • Why

          Plenty of opportunities to get better and GM’s should never be judged on one day. There are going to be better days ahead. But this team, right now, is not as good as it was yesterday.

    • Accipiter

      Wait and see.

    • Jeff Lebowski
    • denislemieux

      We might love Bolland but he’s been injury prone going back to the first cup (only 39 games that year) and at his current price his numbers are pedestrian. Management realized the time and space they lost when Buff left and they weren’t taking a chance of making the same mistake twice, Bicks is worth the risk. Bottom line, its a business with no room for sentimentality.

      • cliffkoroll

        Agreed. I hope you’re not suggesting my argument for Bolland rests on sentimentality, cuz it doesn’t. If anything, Bickell is the sentimental choice, based on more of a ‘tough luck’ history, as described above.

        • denislemieux

          No, not at all. It’s a ruthless business all about the money, the cap changes everything. They might not even care about what you’ve done for me lately. All Bolland did was give them a cup!

  • QCBlackhawk
    • Why

      I very rarely support cheering for an opposing player. I will also be disappointed if Bolland doesn’t get a roar when Toronto plays in Chicago.

      • red palace

        He’ll get it, for sure.

  • red palace

    *sniff*

    • 1benmenno

      Someone’s cutting onions with a dull knife in your vicinity. Buck up, boy.

  • 10thMountainFire

    It breaks my heart to see Bollie go. In the end it was a business decision but it still doesn’t make it any easier. He was one of my favorite players for a while and though it was frustrating to watch him this season, he won us the Cup.

    If all of us don’t get on our fucking feet and give him the ovation he deserves when he comes back in a Leafs sweater, we don’t deserve another Cup.

    So long, Bollie. Crush some souls in your new sweater. We’re going to miss the shit out of you.

    • Kevin

      I agree. Totally.

      • 1benmenno

        You’re an established idiot.

        • 1benmenno

          me too

        • Kevin

          That is not a nice thing to say. Didn’t your mom ever tell you if you have nothing nice to say about any one to NOT say anything at all?

          • 1benmenno

            No. She made me watch Bambi instead.

          • Kevin

            Hey, were you a big fan of “The Brady Bunch”, “Little House on the Prarie”, and “Wonder Woman?”

          • 1benmenno

            Nope.

          • Kevin

            Did you have a happy upbringing and were you a big Dave Bolland fan??

          • 1benmenno

            My dad was Keenan and my mom was Torts. Pretty tough upbringing.

          • Kevin

            Isn’t Torts male? The last time I saw him on the bench yelling at his troops he looked like a guy.

          • 1benmenno

            If you want to figure this shit out, talk to Don Cherry.

    • 1benmenno

      You’re a sentimental bastard.

      • 1benmenno

        As am I.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Good point. Crowd better be deafening or I’ll be ashamed.

  • SaadBuster

    Viva Le Rat! I’ll miss you, Dave and thanks for that last goal. You were a fun little bastard to watch and I wish they could’ve kept you and Bicks, but that’s the way it goes. Good luck in Toronto!

  • SaadBuster

    Viva Le Rat! I’ll miss you, Dave and thanks for that last goal. You
    were a fun little bastard to watch and I wish they could’ve kept you and
    Bicks, but that’s the way it goes. Good luck in Toronto!

  • detroit must die

    Thank you much for all of the fond memories Bolly. We’ll miss you, we wish you all the best on the Leafs (long may you troll SCUM) but this was the right hockey move.

  • RVWW

    LOVE YOU BOLLIE!