NHL: Stanley Cup Playoffs-Chicago Blackhawks at St. Louis Blues

Where You Going With That Gun in Your Hand: Blues 4, Blackhawks 3 (OT)

Box Score

Event Summary

Extra Skater

So where do we begin? The first 30 minutes? The last 30 minutes period? The last 6 seconds? The overtime? The hit? I’m really not sure. This felt like about 4 games in one and there’s likely still about four more games left.

I’ll just get right to my thoughts. Apologies for the randomness as I’m still a bit scatterbrained after experiencing that.

–The Blues probably should have won this game going away. The way the Hawks started this game…it looked more like a pre-season game in Saskatoon than Game 2 of the playoffs. The Blues had 3 power plays in a row to start the 2nd period and they couldn’t put the game away. The Hawks not only tied the game at 2, they took the lead.

Then the Hawks probably should have won this game going away. They were on their way to playing a perfect 3rd period until the 14 minute mark (The Blues only had 2 shots on net up until that point). Bickell stuck out his knee on Vladimir Sobotka. Then they were halfway through killing his penalty when the hit happened.

I understand where Brent Seabrook is coming from when he said he thought Backes still had the puck and I’ll give Seabrook the benefit of the doubt as he’s been on the receiving end of questionable hits before. But at the same time, in that scenario, short-handed and with your partner already down in the corner, is that the best time to go for the kill shot? If Backes had the puck, all it would’ve taken was a chip towards the middle of the ice and no Hawk defensemen would’ve been there to defend.

Regardless, it happened and the Hawks were still six seconds away from killing it off and heading back knotted at 1. But on a 6-on-4 and with a lot of tired bodies on the ice, bad stuff has been known to happen.

–How’s this for the most backhanded compliment ever? It took a game where the Hawks were short-handed 9 times for Michal Handzus to prove his usefulness. 5-on-5, though, Handzus was mostly awful. On the Blues second goal, Handzus couldn’t keep up with a guy out of the corner. It led to a a breakdown where Patrick Sharp and Marian Hossa were trying to cover for him, leaving their point men wide open and 60 foot lane for Kevin Shattenkirk.

The point is, if the Hawks are playing their game and not flying off the rails with stupidity, Handzus is mostly useless. But you all know this.

–It was hard to tell if Patrick Sharp was pressing and trying to do too much (and who could blame him with Handzus anchoring him) or if he was drunk on St. Louis “morans” but that was not his finest performance. His culminating achievement was running into Duncan Keith on a powerplay that led to a Steve Ott breakaway from his own blue line.

This was a theme among several Hawks through the majority of the game which leads me to believe their communication skills were lacking. There really isn’t an excuse for a professional team of this gravitas to commit errors like that on this stage.

–Speaking of, the overtime goal was a result of Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane over-pursuing the same guy and leaving two Blues defensemen wide open. It was an “Oh shit” type of play before Roman Polak even released his shot. Then, of course, Barrett Jackman happened. This is another easy fix that simple communication could have prevented.

–In a series where the Hawks forwards are struggling to score and Brandon Bollig is only playing 3 minutes, it might be a good idea to maybe dress a guy that scored 4 goals in the last 5 games. But after 84 games, perhaps we’re the insane ones for expecting any kind of change.

–This series is a terrific example of why it’s so damn difficult to repeat in this NHL. Even if the Hawks move on, they’ve taken enough damage that it would be easy to imagine them getting bounced in the next round. Would it be disappointing? Duh. But if you’re going to question the Hawks character or any other silly intangible, that would be incredibly short-sighted.

–Let’s leave this on a positive note with some encouraging facts. The Blues have been here before and yacked it up. The Hawks have played just ok in two games and were a 1:51 from being up 2-0. They’re coming back to the United Center where, with the exception of the Coyotes series, they’ve been almost automatic in the playoffs. Even with Brent Seabrook out for likely the next two games, Quenneville will still be able to protect Brookbank having last change. Ryan Miller isn’t going to steal any games this series. Kane and/or Toews will be heard from before this is over.

Feel better? Didn’t think so.

  • Flavius

    Toughest loss in a long, long time….this one hurts. 7 damned seconds left.

    • Waylon

      Not even close. The loss that put them down 3 – 1 to SCUM was exponentially worse.

      • Flavius

        Was that the game Toews lost his shit? I might have repressed that one. Still, a tough loss, but they’ve been down 2 games and come back not so long ago.

        • Waylon

          yes, that was the game where Zetterberg’s constant draping and holding Toew’s stick at every opportunity caused him to take two very bad penalties. Seabs had to go over to him in the box and say something to him at one point.

  • Michael Scott

    I feel pretty alright. Not too panicked. I don’t like losing, but I’d rather consecutive close losses than hopeless blowouts. If only because we all know that this is a fucking GOOD team. They may have yet to show it, but it’s there. That’s enough to feel alright.
    But Seabrook… Yeesh.

    Also I listened to Spiritcrusher so that made me feel better. That song rocks my fucking socks.

    • flahawkfan

      I’m there with you. Tough going without Seabs, but I’m still not ready to give up on this team, at all.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    Still, you cannot get past the fact the Hawks were a total of 1 minute and 54 seconds away from being up 2-0 right now. THAT SUCKS!!!

    • Bob Lanz

      This is what upsets me the most. But it is what they have done all year long. In order to change that they need… (Captain obvious) change

  • Bob Lanz

    I’m disappointed, sad and a little depressed. But this recap helps. They are down but they are most definitely not out. They could get swept and I will openly weep if that happens. Likely this goes 7 and without home ice well anything can happen. I wish Q took the regular season a little more seriously, but then why should I expect that when he insists on Zus and bollig being in the lineup. Regroup at the Madhouse and hope that biscuit is back sooner than later.

  • ToewsCheatCode

    The Hawks certainly have the ability to come back. Their talent ensures they can win against pretty much any team in the league on any given night. They just need to find the will and the focus to match the skill and they’ll be in good shape.

    A miss by an inch is as good as a miss by a mile though. Failing to put away 1-goal games has been a theme all season though, and it’s biting them in the ass at the worst possible time.

    Keith was amazing tonight.

    Also, helps to remember that St Louis is a damn good team. For all the hubris people had heading into this series because of their 6 game losing streak, the Blues were never going to be swept.

    • Bob Lanz

      So was Seabrook right up to and including the “hit”

      • ToewsCheatCode

        I didn’t like the hit. As Sam laid out, it was unnecessary. I don’t think Seabrook was aiming for the head, but Backes was in a vulnerable position and there were safer AND smarter plays to make in that situation.

        Seabrook got sucked into playing Blues hockey.

        • Paul the Fossil

          Exactly. On the PK that was a dumb play regardless of whether the hit turns out to be clean. At _best_ you’re taking yourself out of the play and leaving a 4-on-3 behind you. Same reason today’s hockey coaches don’t want PKing D-men to try to tie up an opponent who’s camped in the slot.

    • flahawkfan

      Didn’t see it because no HNIC, but heard that Don Cherry lit up Keith. Not sure why . . .

      • ToewsCheatCode

        I didn’t see it, I turned off the CBC feed after the game ended, didn’t watch any post-game.

        Cherry has never really been too fond of Keith though. He was down on him through the entire Olympics as well.

        • flahawkfan

          Not surprising. He’s not a big bruiser, so not Cherry’s kind of player. Duncan plays more like a European, but has to because of his size.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            That. Plus sometimes he gets a little chippy/nasty (as he was tonight) but doesn’t fight often when challenged after a hit or whatever. Which Cherry also hates. Personally, I don’t put much stock in what Cherry thinks. Keith has been incredibly all season, and Cherry can tantrum when he’s awarded the Norris (hopefully)

          • flahawkfan

            Yeah, my “European” reference was code for the way the Russkies who first came over for the Wings used to play. Haters used to say they could perform surgery with their sticks and get away with it. It’s sort of how Keith plays. I honestly don’t mind it. At his size, he has to play nasty to keep bigger guys from pulverizing him. Might be one of the reasons he’s not been beaten down (yet) this series.

          • Jim A

            He fights through it and has the heart to win. That’s what matters.

      • Why

        It was for the stick work, particularly on guys that aren’t going to fight back. Weird to see Cherry sticking up for Tarasenko.

  • 10thMountainFire

    It’s possible that Seabrook went into the corner precisely because it was Keith. Backes is much larger and Seabrook is good at separating big forwards from pucks in his own zone. He may have sensed Keith could be overmatched in the corner, aggressively pursued the opposing player, lined him up and took the shot. Backes sensed the oncoming Seabrook, instinctively leans back, lowering his head, and gets planted.

    Not targeting the head.

    • jordyhawk

      I watched the replay a couple of times. It looked like Seabrook was focused on Backes the whole time, and (probably) did not see that the puck had gone behind him. It’s going to get reviewed and it should because the league wants to protect it’s players, but I don’t think there was any intent. Seabrook made a mistake but that’s not the same thing as intent to injure or taking a cheap shot.

      • ToewsCheatCode

        I agree there was no intent, but I think he gets suspended anyway. He skated too far to make the hit, the PPoC was the head, and Backes sustained a potentially significant injury.

        I think at least a game, maybe 2 depending on how bad Backes’ condition is.

      • chidiver

        He’s going to get at least a couple of games…and that’s just because he’s a first offender and there will be some mitigating explanations. But that’s exactiy the kind of hit the league wants to get out of the game.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I can give them Orpik’s mobile number, then.

          • chidiver

            The only thing we can hope is that no one’s behind wheel of punishment right now since Shanahan left.

          • 10thMountainFire

            No one was behind it when Shanahan was there.

          • chidiver

            Truth

        • Hawkeytalk

          But the playoffs will lessen the sentence IMHO, plus no priors.

          • chidiver

            That’s why only a couple of games. It would be more otherwise.

        • Waylon

          yeah, like a player deliberately trying to chop another guy’s nuts off. Are they trying to get that out of the league as well? Seabs gets one, and that’s a big if at this point.

          • chidiver

            Hope you’re right

          • Waylon

            if they give him two, then their already – joke of “league justice” will have finally jumped the shark. Lucic gets nothing, but a check along the boards brings down the hammer? Remember Torres getting suspended for his hits on Seabs and later on Hossa? Yeah, me neither.

          • ToewsCheatCode

            Torres got suspended for like 20 games after the Hossa hit.

          • YoAdrienne

            Yep. One game and a fine. I think this was more stupidity, and possibly some slow reaction, rather than intent to injure. If they only gave repeat offender Lucic a $5K fine for trying to castrate DeKeyser with a hockey stick, I can see them not throwing the book at Seabrook. Of course, Q got dinged for $25K for grabbing his nutsack, so who knows…

          • 10thMountainFire

            Won’t someone PLEASE think about the children???

  • DJ

    That last paragraph is pure whistling through the graveyard.

    Down 2-0, and failed to close out both games. There’s no reason to say the Hawks will come back based on this — until and unless they go out and do it.

    And it doesn’t help when we play stupid and dirty. Leave that to the Blues.

    • Waylon

      Again please remember Detroit last year. They were mentally in dissaray, with even their captain taking penalties out of sheer frustration.

      • DJ

        If remembering Detroit makes you feel better, go right ahead, friend. There’s some value in that. Me, I won’t be happy unless we go back to St. Louis at 2-2.

        • 1benmenno

          Who you talking to?

          • chidiver

            I think…the voices in the head?

          • Waylon

            perhaps it’s his evil twin, but in a surprise twist in the plot, he’s actually the evil twin and the other twin is the “good one.”

          • 10thMountainFire

            Waylon?

          • Waylon

            Waylon’s not here, man.

          • DuHawk

            There is only Zool.

          • chidiver

            Waylon is always here.

          • chidiver

            Fuckin Disqus…I saw DJ talking to himself til I refreshed.

        • Hawkeytalk

          Waylon, in red, wayloning. All is right with the world.

      • ToewsCheatCode

        That Hawks team consistently demonstrated an ability to come-back late in games to win. They did it a ton that season.

        This Hawks team has had the opposite habit. Giving up leads late and ultimately losing in OT or the SO during the regular season. And that trend is continuing into this season.

        It seems silly to recall a quality of play from a year ago, when there’s been 82 games worth of play since then of a very different quality.

  • Waylon

    So to summarize – TWTT was once again sorely lacking. Oh, and apparently Crow still sucks. I stopped commenting after the taints on the asshole of life started to show up.

  • chidiver

    This one hurt. That’s all I got. Its not the end. I’m not on the ledge. But that sucked. It wasn’t the “beautiful game” I love watching. It was a bunch of goony bullshit that I would rather not have out of my team. Just play the fucking game and score more goals than the other team. I am ashamed of what I saw today. Too much fucking headhunting, not enough hockey.

    • chidiver

      On the plus side…Crow…fucking awesome.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Yes, he was.

        • Ronnie’s Mustache

          Awesomely sloppy.

          • 10thMountainFire

            No.

      • Paul the Fossil

        Indeed Crow has been the Hawks’ best player in this series so far. Which admittedly says as much about how the rest of the team is playing as it does about him, but still.

        • Why

          I’m all for Crawford getting his due but how about Hjammer, Seabrook and Keith?

          • Paul the Fossil

            Well it could be that I’m overreacting to a lot of dumb play right now but…Hammer wasn’t good Thursday night then was good today. Seabrook was doing well until running a dumb check which turned sour and got him kicked and the team down for 5 minutes. Keith, yea Keith has been good.

            So point taken. I’ll settle for noting that Crawford has been far from the reason for the two losses.

          • Why

            Have you noticed that neither one of us are listing a forward despite the fact that Versteeg, Toews and Hossa have generally been very good?

        • Black JEM

          And yet he has let in two killer goals – the tying in game 1, and the winner yesterday. Both on him.
          Crow is what he is – an above average goalie, who is wildly inconsistent and seems to be the 2012 version not the 2013 at the moment.
          As much as I hate Bollig’s extension, Crawford’s is more questionable. It appears you get one year pretty good, and one year not so much. That seems a little light for 6.5M.

      • cliffkoroll

        Wow. The hive mind is strong with this one. FWIW, Crawford disagrees with you, thankfully.

        • 10thMountainFire

          He can be and needs to be better but he’s also been adequate. Sure, he’s not 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs Crow yet but he’s not our top problem. That all said, you’re right that he’s right. Needs to be better. Especially with those shots from the point. Very few excuses for those getting by him.

          • cliffkoroll

            St Louis is a very good team. The Hawks are gonna have to beat them and three other good teams to win a Stanley Cup. There is no chance of this happening unless Crow plays better. However they got there, the Hawks put up 3 goals in two straight games and were in a position to win both games late and came up empty.

            Adequate? Is this the gauge we use to measure forwards? Defense? Because they usually outplay the opposition. ‘Adequate’ is inadequate for this purpose. He needs to be good to very good, and he hasn’t been close. .904, flopping around, waaaay out of net, continued poor stick work.

            He can get it together- he’s done it before.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It was good to see Crow is open about it. Miller hasn’t been better, either. It’s going to come down to which of those two tightens it up. I hope it’s Crow but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a bit nervous going into Game Three.

    • ChicagoNativeSon

      No one would be ashamed if the Hawks won. What bullshit.

  • Bleh
    • DesertHawk

      If we’ve scored 6 goals in 2 games… How is Miller a 2.2 gaa?

      • DuHawk

        I’m fairly certain that GAA is based off of a 60 minute game.

        • Why

          Yep. As far as GAA is concerned, Miller gets credit for close to three games so far.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    I LOVE THIS

    “Comment by [insert name] blocked”

  • DuHawk

    Here’s my plan – Hold serve at home, get it back to St. Louis 2-2, & we have ourselves a crapshoot.

    All is not fucked yet.

    • Waylon

      oh, but it is, it really is – just look at the latest ledge jumpers that came on here all of a sudden. Funny, I don’t remember any of them last year, other than it’s the same old whine but in different bottles.

      • DuHawk

        I can’t control the stupid, so I choose to ignore it.

        • 10thMountainFire

          You hushed me?

          • DuHawk

            ?? I am confuse.

          • 1benmenno

            get with the program. The Hush program that is

          • chidiver

            Damn, I hate missing a couple of GDTs…is there a new meme?

          • 1benmenno

            I was just referring to the Hush app.

          • chidiver

            I’m still confused. I guess I’ll use google-fu

          • DuHawk

            I’ve clearly missed something. Anyone care to fill me in?

          • 1benmenno

            I don’t have the link but someone will fill you in.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You said ‘I can’t control the stupid, so I choose to ignore it.’

            You hushed me.

          • DuHawk

            So, implication being that you’re the stupid? I believe I’ve identified the stupid, & it ain’t you.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I just freaking XMF’d again.

            Bad joke, poor execution. I hate me.

          • DuHawk

            YOU FUCKING SUCK!

            :)

          • flahawkfan

            XMF and Seabrook. All suckage, all the time.

          • DuHawk

            Also, I’m quite dense.

          • chidiver

            Me three

          • 10thMountainFire

            Well it’s getting crowded in here.

          • bizarrohairhelmet
          • DuHawk

            Ahh, delightful. Thanks my helmeted friend.

  • Xover1555 and bitter

    F*ck

    • DJ

      What prompted that? Don’t lose that optimism.

      (No snark).

      • Xover1555 and bitter

        Just sux to have 2 games and let the scum back in. Chance for error is at zero.

  • jordyhawk

    Our forwards have a grand total of one (1) goal in the series. Bollig played 3 minutes and change tonight, so it doesn’t look like Q trusts him. Maybe
    it will finally be Morin time. Nothing to lose.

    • DJ

      Well, that certainly should happen. If you’re going to lose (and despite the frustration, the series is hardly over), go down blazing.

      Q says he likes to roll as many lines as he can, yet Bollig is untrustworthy. Get Morin on the ice, you get closer to rolling four lines.

      • YoAdrienne

        I say go whole hog and put 11-12-29 back together.

        • jordyhawk

          I thought that too, but who else do you sit in addition to Bollig?

          • YoAdrienne

            Reluctantly…Zus. Give him the night off, and see what those three can do together. He and his big body have been put to good use, for the most part. But, a rest would probably help him.

            Or, maybe Shaw. I haven’t been much impressed with him lately.

          • Why

            Sit Shaw to play Regin? Who kills penalties? Who plays with Kane, Saad, Hossa and Sharp?

          • YoAdrienne

            Why not? Shaw hasn’t been any better than Regin over the last games of the season. And, 11-12-29 was one of the more productive lines in the last 5 or 6 games. Kruger and Smith kill penalties. If you sit Shaw and Bollig, then Zus plays. He’d play with Hossa and Sharp as he is doing now. If you sit Zus, put Shaw in there.

          • Why

            Just trying to get a handle on your lines. Versteeg-Toews-Saad, Hossa-Zus/Shaw-Sharp, Kane-Kruger-Smith and Morin-Regin-Bickell? Who is your checking line?

          • YoAdrienne

            Put Kane with Sharp, Hossa with Toews and Saad, and Versteeg w/ Smith and Kruger.

          • Why

            Hm. I don’t hate it but I’m higher on Bollig than most.

          • YoAdrienne

            It wasn’t me who suggested sitting him. I was just responding to a post that did. I don’t hate Bollig, either. But, I don’t understand why he gets the amount of playing time he gets, while guys like Morin sit.

    • Why

      They’re chopping off everything down low in their own end. Once the puck enters the zone, it looks like the play is going to have to start from the zone.

      But they’re still creating a lot of breaks, especially when leading. I think we’re going to see the forwards give us something more in the upcoming games.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Toews makes funny faces

    Does anybody have the link to the add-in for firefox that displays all disqus comments when you open a page?

    • 10thMountainFire

      BHH has it.

      • chidiver

        Damnit…you mean I have to be nice to him because he has something I need? Shit.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Well, always be careful when clicking on BHH links. You could end up watching one of those YouTube videos.

          Then again, he gave us that awesome Finnish web site. I need that link again.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Fuck you. I hope your kid is TrollChodeCode

          For Firefox, you need to install the Greasemonkey Add-on:addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef…

          For Chrome, install the TamperMonkey extension:chrome.google.com/webstore/det…

          With those installed, go to this page and install the script:http://userscripts.org/scripts

          • 10thMountainFire

            Hey, give me the link to that incredibly weird Ollie Jokinen web site.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I don’t save those links. I don’t actually go to those places. I post them here to disturb you all. I am the worst kind of Troll – one that knows what heps doing.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You’re lucky that I’m good at my job:

            http://fuldans.se/?v=xapeifcwtg

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            That’s true. I actually do like that place. (or do I?)

          • 10thMountainFire

            I remember a video, some weird thing with a trailer woman talking about getting lucky or something. That thing was in my head for a week.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            just google the site name without the extension (which is how I found it originally)

          • 10thMountainFire

            This one was some music video with a woman singing about her husband not being home and sleeping with the neighbor or something.

          • chidiver

            Thanks! But why are there pictures of monkeys masturbating on my screen now?

          • DuHawk

            Goddammit X! Stop masturbating on Diver’s screen!

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m trying to relax.

          • 1benmenno

            Some people go to a spa.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            or church

          • 1benmenno

            masturbating at a church sounds awkward

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            does it? I’m gonna have to plead nolo contendre on this. Maybe Preacher can help.

          • Preacher

            Yeah, that would be immoral, illegal, and just plain nasty. And it would be cause for dismissal if employed by the church. And you’d probably end up having to register as a sex offender.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Seems like fornicating in the church building is almost as old as churches having buildings.

          • DuHawk

            Masturbating at a spa sounds awkward.

          • chidiver

            I’m just not used to my monitor masturbating back at me.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It’s Bizarro world.

          • chidiver

            Waylon/DJ bizarro world

          • DJ

            Sorry for contributing to bizarro-ness. I’ll take my leave.

          • chidiver

            Just stay logged in!

  • Why

    Considering I was reasonably hard on Sam in the other thread, it’s only fair to say I strongly agree with some of Fifth’s stuff here. In particular, I agree that Kane and Toews are probably going to be heard from.

    • Waylon

      I think we have to admit that professional athletes are still human beings, and given the level they’re expected to perform at after coming back from injuries, you have to expect some sub – par performances. Particulary in the playoffs.

      • Why

        I thought Toews was pretty solid tonight. Kane is what Kane is. Capable of magic and tremendously skilled. But it’s really easy to forget about him for long periods at a time.

  • Jeff Lebowski

    so….fine for Bickell, 1-3 for Seabrook?

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Probably 1 for Seabrook. Possibly 2 if the prognosis for Backes is particularly significant.

    • Waylon

      fines for both, no suspension for Seabs. Because there’s no intent to injure, and Backes takes everyone’s heads off at every opportunity. Call me a cockeyed optimist on this one.

      • Jeff Lebowski

        I find myself making this argument but I can’t help but hear my voice sounding dangerously Milbury.

      • BrandonPirri

        Yeah, that’s just completely out of touch with reality.

        • Waylon

          OK, so explain the Lucic deal to me, and use logic.

          • Preacher

            Playoff hockey. HITS! Grit. Wasn’t called a penalty on the ice, so, no further discipline required.

          • Why

            Hits to the head lead to suspensions in today’s NHL. Most stickwork doesn’t. I agree that it should be the other way but I don’t think that it’s going to help Seabrook here.

          • Waylon

            yeah, I know – just infuriating.

          • Preacher

            I don’t see how you can watch it and say the principle point of contact WASN’T the head. That’s pretty much automatic suspension, isn’t it?

          • Why

            Well, someone got away with an elbow to Bolly (Richards?) last year but you’re generally right.

          • Preacher

            Plus, the hit takes Seabs off his skates (mostly) so, again, pretty much automatic. I’d be utterly shocked if he doesn’t get a game. I’d be furious if he gets more than two. (Which guarantees about 20 I suppose.)

          • Jeff Lebowski

            Looking at it over and over and over again, Seabrook seemed like he was trying to roll out of the hit to avoid the brunt of the impact. It’s his normal checking style, it just caught Backes in a bad spot, when the puck was gone, and the brunt of the force ended up focused on backes’ brain…and the back of his head bouncing off of the boards sealed the KO. I’m convinced the end result was was way more messy than his intentions, but it’s still probably gonna cost a game or two just because it looks bad.

          • Why

            I’m getting angry again (not at you). He keeps his elbow tucked, skate on the ice until contact and seems to be aiming for the chest until Backes leans back.

          • Why

            Also, Bolly on Richards.

          • TheFullAmonte

            Is saying he plays for Boston logic?

          • BrandonPirri

            Lucic didn’t scramble anyone’s brains. Lucic should’ve been fined+suspended too, but to equate the two is absurd.

          • Waylon

            I don’t think Seab’s was intent to injure, while Lucic’s was no question about it. So yeah, I guess to equate the two is fairly absurd.

        • Waylon

          not being a smart ass on this one, either.

      • Preacher

        You’re a cockeyed optimist. Seabs gets 1 for sure, maybe 2. (Using Shanny’s logic on these in the past, Seabs DID get a major and a game, so, only 1 game suspension.)
        (I use “logic” in a sort of surreal way here–we are talking about Shanny after all.) (And he’s not calling the shots anymore, so…) (Isn’t a former Blues player in charge now? Goody!)

      • Why

        Problem is that head was unquestionably the primary point of contact. I don’t think the intent was there and I wouldn’t suspend Seabrook but I don’t see any way you end up being right on this one.

        I’m also really, really hoping that you end up being right on this one.

        • YoAdrienne

          Yep. He’ll get at least one, if only to send a message that stupid shit shouldn’t be tolerated, even if unintentional. But, given the bizarre way the league has been dealing out punishment lately, I wouldn’t be surprised if Seabs gets only a fine. Ditto for Bickell–if he gets anything.

          • Why

            I’d be really surprised if Bickell gets anything but the truth is that I don’t really care that much about fines. I’ll reiterate that I really hope that Seabrook doesn’t get anything.

          • YoAdrienne

            I hope he doesn’t get anything, either. But, the way things have been going lately…

          • Paul the Fossil

            Yea he’ll get one, is my prediction, Remember that the NHL tends to reduce suspension lengths during the playoffs: the same hit that draws 3 games during the season draws 1 in the postseason.

            Bickell, I doubt he’ll get a game. The league has passed on many opportunities to suspend players for that and also Bickell is not a previous offender.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Waylon is DJ?

    • Waylon

      you shut yo mouth!

      • 10thMountainFire

        Disqus is all sorts of stupid tonight.

    • DuHawk

      Einhorn is Finkle.

  • cliffkoroll

    Crow has to be better, as he admitted in the post game. Two late leads blown- the guy in the net has gotta get one of those. And Jackass’s goal- ugh. Series should be tied at worst.

    • Jeff Lebowski

      We didn’t really deserve to be in the game after the first two

      • cliffkoroll

        Nonsense.

      • jordyhawk

        Disagree. Winning on the road is very often about hanging around and counterpunching after you weather the storm which is exactly what we did. We just didn’t close the deal.

    • Why

      He’s played ok. But he’s a better goalie than ok and I’m tired of seeing point shots slip through the five hole. That doesn’t change my belief that he’s good enough to win this series.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Yep. I was happy to see him take responsibility for it.

    • Waylon

      perhaps, but that late goal at the end of the 1st was just atrocious team play in front of him. The guy makes two great saves and then still gets hung out to dry.

  • 10thMountainFire

    The Facebooks have begun commenting on The Hit.

    Keep in mind that the following comment came from someone with the confederate flag as their profile photo:

    Sun-Times asks ‘Could Bryan Bickell and Brent Seabrook be suspended for hits in Saturday’s game?’

    Response:
    John Liosatos Bickell no. Seabrook probably. Yes it cost the Hawks the game, but I loved that David Backes got nailed.

    • TheFullAmonte

      From one of my “friends” on facebook:

      Maybe the blues will think twice now about playing dirty! Nice hit seabrook.

      Just… ughhh

      • 10thMountainFire

        HITZ!!!

  • DuHawk

    I’m going to go drown my sorrows in alcohol. Until Monday, friends. Keep your heads up.

    • chidiver

      Be safe Du. Freshen up the Dupends

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    Damn. Eh?

    I just now finished watching. DVR’d it. That was a heart-breaker. One of the more intense games you’ll see, that one. I get the feeling there’s not a lot of inter-team beer drinking in the off-season between these two.

    Well then. You know what you do? You ice up, go home, then you play Monday. Not much else to it.

    • Why

      Yep. I’ve really enjoyed this series, results notwithstanding. I’d rather be up 2-0 but this isn’t an unbeatable or even “better” team that we’re playing right now.

      • jordyhawk

        I don’t think Blues have played well enough to be swelling with confidence. If we can take it to them on Monday, we are right back in it. The two big problems I see are 1) our lack of discipline and 2) the margin of error is so much less when you’re down a couple of games. As Michael Corleone said when he put the hit out on Mr. Roth “difficult, not impossible.”

        • Preacher

          I’d like to know why we’re taking so many penalties.

          • YoAdrienne

            Yep. That third period was so out of character for this team.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I think it’s because of the Blues. They’re very good at getting teams off their game–hard checks, hard-nosed hockey.

          • Why

            I think that you can’t hide from a physical hockey team or rely on the refs to save you. I’ve got no problem with the team playing intense hockey and I don’t have the moral hang ups about it that a lot of people seem to.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I have no trouble with little slashes, or chippy play, etc., all the faceoff games. You play Lapierre, then you’re allowed to hand it back to him/them. I do, though, have a huge problem with knee-on-knee hits and reckless hits to the head.

          • Why

            Seabrook’s hit was reckless?

          • Hawkeytalk

            Situationally, yes.

          • Why

            Situationally? What should have Seabrook done in that situation?

          • Hawkeytalk

            Not go in so hard. Wrap his arms. All the things they talk about when separating the man from the puck.

          • Why

            Wrap his arms? Hit him softly? Chico, if you’re reading this, this is my example of people wanting guys to play the game with their nuts tucked between their legs.

          • Z-man19

            I’ll disagree with that. I don’t need Seabs hit to enjoy hockey and honestly, I wish the league would get serious about getting them out of the game. They aren’t serious about it so hits like this are going to happen. I don’t think Seabs has a big set of balls because he made that hit

          • Why

            He has to make that hit in that situation. It’s a penalty kill. He thinks Backes still has the puck. If he wraps, St. Louis can outnumber you along the boards. If he poke checks and misses, Backe’s has got a pile of room along the wall. The right move there is to try and hit him hard.

            Unless, of course, you don’t think there’s ever a reason to try and hit a guy hard.

          • Z-man19

            Given the rules as they are, I’m not disgusted by what Seabs did, but I wouldn’t be sorry if the league did everything possible to take that hit out of the game. I don’t need to see a guy get his brain scrambled to enjoy hockey.

          • Why

            The point I always try and make here is that you can’t just take “that hit” out of the game anymore than you can simply tell guys “we like goals, but you should never hit the post.”

          • Z-man19

            I disagree. I don’t think they could take it out completely, but I think they could cut the numbers down substantially, as in it happened maybe once a year not 3-4 times in 4 weeks

          • Why

            By doing what? And what other effects will that have on the game? That’s my point. You’ve been pretty clear in the past, IIRC, that you’d be fine with taking big hits out of the game if it meant less head shots.

            That’s not Not Chico’s position, if I’m reading him correctly. He “loves” the hard hits. He’s not trying to take them out of the game. It’s crazy that I’d even suggest that. He simply wants to penalize guys who miss a moving target by a couple of inches and doesn’t think that will impact their ability and willingness to throw a hard hit to the chest.

          • Z-man19

            I agree with you. I don’t see how you can leave hard hits in the game and not expect some head shots. If every time a player hit someone in the head and it was an automatic suspension, I’d have to believe there would be far fewer big hits. I don’t think Chico can have his cake and eat it too

          • Why

            That’s gotta be the point. I hate what your plan would do to hockey. You hate the concussions and danger that are going to be part of what I’d like to see happen. Fine. We can have an honest argument. Not Chico might be trying to be honest, but that’s an opinion being offered with the blinders on.

          • Z-man19

            I have no trouble believing Chico is being honest, but I don’t think it is particularly realistic

          • Why

            To be clear, I agree completely. It’s the argument that’s dishonest.

          • BrandonPirri

            It’s about playing smart. He shouldn’t have been going for a hit like that during a penalty kill. It took him completely out of the play, and it was a bad idea. The injury to Backes is merely circumstantial.

          • Hawkeytalk

            I didn’t say hit him softly; I said not as hard. He had time to adjust and didn’t. With 5 minutes left, on the PK, nursing a 1 goal lead, it’s just ugh.

          • Why

            Not softly, just not as hard.

          • Hawkeytalk

            The hit was violent. He could have made the play without the heavy hit. Sorry; you and I are just going to disagree on this. It’s ok, differences of opinion aren’t the end of the world.

          • Why

            They certainly aren’t. But so far, as best I can tell, your opinion is that hockey players should hit other hockey players not as hard. I want to make sure we’re clear on that.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Just so I’m clear … you think the head-hitting rule is foolish. That’s correct?

          • Why

            Explain the head hitting rule. If the head hitting rule is “every time you hit someone in the head, you should be suspended”, then yes. I feel the need to maintain this position because I actually like hard hits.

          • Hawkeytalk

            Yes, if a hard hit is what Seabs did on that hit and a less hard hit is one of the hundreds of other hits he’s done in his career.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I think so, yes. When you turn your shoulder into a jackhammer and throw it into someone’s face, I find it reckless. Oddly, I don’t think it was a dirty play really–I mean, it was awful, but I think it was more stupid/reckless than outright head-hunting.

          • Why

            The goal of hitting someone is to turn your shoulder into a jackhammer. He aimed for the chest. Backes leaned back. You can’t play the game with your nuts tucked between your legs.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Ya, because being aware of where you’re about to hit someone, that’s playing with your nuts tucked between your legs. It was a stupid hit. The jackhammer, yes–another player’s face, no.

          • Why

            In the split second that you have? If a guy misses the net with a puck it’s unlucky but if a guy misses a moving target and hits head, he’s reckless?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’m not going to argue with you, it’s useless. I’m not moving, you’re not moving. We see it game differently.

          • Why

            We do see the game differently. If that’s a reckless hit nearly every hit in the corner is reckless.

          • Z-man19

            you really think Seabs intended that kind of hit?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            No, not even a little. I think it was a reckless hit.

          • Z-man19

            reckless because of when he did it or the result?

          • birdhead

            yes. (my opinion not Chico’s obviously)

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            The when and where, the result was just crazy unfortunate. Players are expected to know where their sticks are at all times so you don’t blind someone. They should be doing the same with shoulders and elbows.

            He went for the ass-kicking hit and it was a bad decision.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That last sentence could be applied to any number of Backes moves the past year alone.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Very, very true. But for me, that has little bearing on this. A clean hard hit and broken ribs? I’d be smiling a little, I admit.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I hope he’s alright. But unless he changes his approach, he’ll be looking at the other end of these more and more.

          • Z-man19

            I’m a little behind on the context of the hit as I started watching just as the PP started after it. I didn’t see the replay until the end of regulation. I can accept that Seabs going for the hit at that time was probably a poor choice. I’m not sure I can call it completely reckless as Seabs doesn’t have a history of head hunting and I find it completely plausible he didn’t see that Backes didn’t have the puck. If Backes did still have the puck, would we even be talking about a suspension? It’ll be interesting to see what the league does.

          • Why

            To answer your last question, if contact was made in the same spot and given the NHL’s stance on headshots, the answer is probably.

          • Z-man19

            Same thing happened to Oshie and no suspension

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’m not calling it head-hunting. I’m just of the opinion that Seabrook, a professional hockey player, has to be aware of what he’s doing. He lines up that hit from a few strides away–again, legal and I’m fine with that. He’s not trying to do anything except hit Backes very hard. Again, perfectly legal. But I think it was a reckless hit because I personally feel you can let up in that situation. And if the puck is there, it’s still a head hit–unintentional, not hunting, but a hit where the principle point of contact is the head. Funny, this just seems so clear cut to me.

            This is about a hundred times worse than Orpik on Toews imo (which, funny, I wasn’t crazy-angry about). But if Jackman had hit Toews like this I might have thrown my tv out the window.

          • Why

            Which is why I stand by my comment. Your stance is that you shouldn’t hit a guy hard if you might hit him the head rather than the chest (six inch difference, maybe). In the fastest moving contact sport I know.

            I don’t see how you can hold that opinion without expecting to be told that you’re trying to take hard contact out of the game.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            That’s my opinion, yes. Because hitting someone in the head is against the rules, Why, and because it causes brain injuries. I don’t want Seabrook to wrap him up, it’s fine to hit him hard as fuck. But not in the face with his shoulder. I love hard hits, I don’t find it a paradox to like hard hits while not liking hits to the head. I don’t like it when vulnerable players–even Backes–get their brains mushed. I guess I’m soft.

          • Why

            So you simply hold the players to an impossible standard and then call them reckless when they can’t live up to it. You should hit guys hard, but you should never miss. And if they do miss, it’s time for the hand-wringing.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Yes. I hold players to impossible standards. Know where your shoulders are guys. And the other guy’s head. Impossible. It’s like my other standard. I think players should take a few minutes between periods to build houses for the poor. Impossible, but I think they should do it.

          • Why

            Know exactly where the other guy’s head is, as that same head is moving (and can move a split second before contact). You love hard hits, so clearly guys can come in hard but they can never miss by a couple of inches, even if the point of contact changes because of the offensive player’s head moving. That’s your position unless I’m misstating something. And you don’t believe it’s an impossible standard?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            No. And building houses for the poor.

          • Why

            Well, at least the poor people will have houses.

          • Z-man19

            I’d like for guys to let up in that situation but the league has shown they aren’t into that. They want guys to hit. I’m not sure I can blame Seabs for doing what the league has said is ok, minus the fact that he caught the head and Backes didn’t have the puck. If the league was serious about these hits, Reaves wouldn’t have played today.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            “minus the fact that he caught the head and Backes didn’t have the puck”??? Those are fairly important qualifications, Z. The league doesn’t say hits to the head are ok, nor charging, nor hitting players without the puck. So it wasn’t ok for him to do it.

          • Z-man19

            him catching the head can be explained by the speed of the game IMHO and I’ve already stated that I find it completely plausible that he didn’t know the puck was elsewhere. I’m all for head shots being out of the game, but to do so they need zero tolerance, thus Reaves would have sat out today and possibly the next one as well. Until that happens, I’m not sure I can call what Seabs did reckless. Poor choice due to the game situation, maybe, but until players KNOW that they can’t hit a guy in the head AT ALL, that hit is going to happen

          • Hack

            I’m in complete agreement w/ you and Fifth Feather on this one. The hit was a bad one, and time and place made it that much more frustrating.

          • Hawkeytalk

            We have to use Aikido like energy to neutralize them. That will frustrate the hell out of them leading to bad penalties, rinse and repeat.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I like it. Call in … the person you call in.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        I think the teams are even. You play fifty 7-game series and each team wins 25.

        • Why

          I still don’t but this is where I’ll admit to homerism. We can create chances off the break against this team. They can’t do it against the Blackhawks (or at least against a team that has all of its defencemen). That’s two games where they simply didn’t quite it close it out.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Where we create off the break better than them, they create from behind the net better than us. 6 of one for me. Not worth an argument, though, because they don’t play 50 series.

          • Why

            Really? We’re getting a lot of goals from the point so far. It’s just that the two on ones, three on twos and breakaways aren’t being cashed. I don’t see that lasting.

  • 334Rules

    Two things.

    First, it took a come from behind miracle and OT twice, with home ice, for the Blues to win. I can’t see how that happens at the UC, where Q gets the last change.

    Second, the hit. Yeah, Seabs probably draws a game or two. Backes turned into it but, whatever. I refuse to feel bad about fucking up the leader of a band of thugs that looks to injure with every hit. They want this game, they got this game. Foil up and all that shit.

    • Waylon

      agreed – feeling sympathy for Backes is akin to Lucic. Play with fire long enough and you see what you get.

  • Stockroom Snail

    The playoffs are freaking nuts. You can go through a whole season of stress in 60 or so minutes.

    For some reason, I’m not fazed too much. If the ‘Hawks don’t lose their minds and take a ton of penalties, they are better and will win games.

  • YoAdrienne

    Ooohh!! Pitt and the Jackets tied with just under 3 minutes left.

  • Bullitt315

    Lets stop pretending the blues are the dirty team in this series. The two dirtiest hits have been by Hawks and 1 of them cost us a game.

    • Why

      What’s the other one that’s got your dander up?

      • Bullitt315

        Bickell.

        • DesertHawk

          Reeves on Toews?

          • YoAdrienne

            Weren’t there also a couple of slew-foots by Blues on Hawks during both games, as well?

        • Why

          Meh? I mean, it’s a penalty. But when a guy makes a move like that at the last second, what do you expect to happen?

        • 10thMountainFire

          I’d be more upset about Shaw’s untimeliness in taking penalties or Bollig’s continued dumbhaggery. Then again, he got himself off the ice for 10 minutes so that’s a plus.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Ott spent the last few minutes shadowing Toews, hoping to catch him sleeping.

      • Bullitt315

        I’m not proud of our guys right now. 2 chokes and playing stupid. It’s un-hawkly. I’m not on the ledge but Backes didn’t deserve that. I thought it was unfortunate timing for Seabs but 5 min major with 5 min left. Just stupid.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I don’t think Seabrook had nefarious intent.

          • Bullitt315

            I don’t either but we get on our guys going out of their way for bad hits and that’s what it was.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I don’t think Seabrook went after the head. In fact, there were a slew of other opportunities for Seabrook to go after Backes… he goes flying deep quite a bit. Seems to me that if Seabrook wanted to brain him, he could have waited until Backes came out from behind the net and just planted him.

            It was an opportunity for a clean hit, Seabrook took the opportunity. Backes reflexively bent away as he turned and got clocked. Too bad for him. Next time, pay attention to where the other d-man is.

          • Bullitt315

            It was interference too. Just an upsetting game. Even more frustrating cause i thought he looked pretty good otherwise.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I don’t think Seabs can stop himself at that point. I’m not sure he even realized Keith had the puck given his line of sight on the play. He had very little time to react to Backes at that point. He followed through with the check and Backes had lowered his upper body sufficiently to the point where it absorbed the hit.

          • Bullitt315

            It was certainly unfortunate. I think he can but tried to make a clean hard hit and missed. 0 intent but it was a bad hit. Bickell too.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I think Bickell ends up fined. Hopefully that’s all Seabs gets as well. You could make the case for Seabrook being our best skater. Can’t lose him more than a game.

          • Bullitt315

            I hope you’re right. I think he’s been our best forward (not a typo, some hyperbole)

          • 10thMountainFire

            Going back a few years, Seabrook has had a few incidents with St. Louis. I recall him fighting someone after they ran Hossa at the UC in 2011 and earlier he fought someone after they hit Havlat.

          • Why

            It’s never called interference when the puck’s just left your stick.

          • Hawkeytalk

            No, he didn’t, but there were other ways to separate man from puck and he chose that one.

  • jordyhawk

    Lost in all this, how about the heart shown by Hjammer tonight. A really brave performance from him. He deserved better.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      He was amazing. The whole team … it was a really great game, a strong comeback, no desperation. Yeah, we were off through the first half, but that happens against good teams. Helluva game.

    • 10thMountainFire

      He’s got more bruises than heart tonight.

      • jordyhawk

        It was actually pretty much a 5 on 2 after he took that bad one off the leg. That was heroic. I can’t recall seeing a 5 on 2 before.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I love Hammer.

          • chidiver

            You love everyone

          • 10thMountainFire

            True but… Hammer.

        • Why

          Every now and then a guy will break a stick but that was almost some Campbell level shit there. He did everything he could to get back to his feet.

          • jordyhawk

            He was down like that last year also trying to prop himself up with his stick; I’m pretty sure it was against Wings and it was for like 20 seconds or more. He’s like a T-1000; just won’t stay down.

    • YoAdrienne

      Well, at least he can spend the next few nights with his new baby. And, on Monday he can finally get that baby goal.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Columbus…

    • chidiver

      Golumbus

    • YoAdrienne

      Headed to 2OT

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    So…I haven’t seen a mod here in days. Certainly not when the place is hot stupid. Have we finally gone full Thunderdome?

    • Why

      I was talking to Hack. Hack seemed cool.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        He has the ‘mod’ tag but he doesn’t really do mod stuff.

        • Why

          Oh. Cool. It’s the Thunderdome then.

    • QCBlackhawk

      Don’t need a mod anymore. All you need is the precious.
      https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/blog-killfile/

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Really? That’s sounds cool! What genius-humanitarian released this to us?

        • QCBlackhawk

          Dunno who found it first, but it’s amazing. I don’t even have to try to ignore people, it just happens

          • Hawkeytalk

            None of these things work for iPad!

          • QCBlackhawk

            That’s what you get for supporting apple ;)

          • Z-man19

            disqus barely works for ipad

          • Hawkeytalk

            It’s new and fast and disqus works as good as it does on a PC.

          • Z-man19

            mine is not new and not fast and once the number of comments goes over 100, it’s pretty much done. It can take up to a minute just to type in a one word response.

          • QCBlackhawk

            I don’t think that’s the pad’s fault. It can make browsers chug with a lot of comments, too. I don’t know how they aggregate shit with Disq, but it seems like a giant memory sink.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            It’s def improved then from an iPad from 6 months ago

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      What did you think about the hit, bhh? You and I were trading opinions on the Orpik hit and you swayed me to your take. Makes me curious what you thought of this one.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        defenses:
        - Didn’t take his center of gravity above skating level
        - Backes turned into him
        - was blocked from seeing Backes lose possession
        - once Backes touches the puck, he’s responsible for the situation he’s put himself in
        - we wouldn’t be discussing it if it were shoulder to shoulder

        indefensible:
        - the potential for it to be a bad hit at a crucial time
        - While Backes deserves that hit, he doesn’t deserve it from a Blackhawk trying to win the Cup again
        - the phantom forearm involvement was unnecessary and egregious Get out of here, mom!
        - maybe not intentional but there was disregard for injury

        I certainly don’t understand exactly what constitutes suspend-able play anymore as I think the NHL is now just making it up as they go depending on the severity of the damage, so who knows what happens? Personally, they should punish regardless of outcome if they want to see this kind of hit curtailed. With Seabs’ history he should sit for a game or two, but the arguments the NHL has presented before when letting people off the hook should pertain here as well.

        • Why

          That seems to be a fair run down of the points here, although this my first look at “the forearm involvement”. Seabrook keeps his arm tucked. What am I missing here? Where should of his forearm have been?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            He uses his forearm to drive through the latter part of the hit and it looks (from the views I’ve seen) like it springs Backes’ head into the boards.

          • Why

            You’re talking about the part after contact where he’s slipping?

            EDIT: To be clear, I’m not saying this is your position, but if that actually costs Seabrook (some) game(s), I’m going to be very pissed.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Yeah, I dunno about the forearm the more I look at it. from the Seabrook side angle, it looks like it makes more involvement than the Backes side angle.

          • Why

            I appreciate seeing what the arguments are. But that one (at least for me) is a new form of crazy that I’m not familiar with.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I fixed it.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          I pretty much agree, top to bottom, particularly with the shoulder to shoulder part. I probably would have reacted like it was a goal (for us) had it not been to the head.

          • Z-man19

            I have to agree with Why, if you want the shoulder to shoulder hard hit to stay in the game, this hit is going to happen, with or without malicious intent.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I realize that it will. And when it does I think it should be punished accordingly. Consistent and harsh punishment would curtail it significantly imo.

          • Z-man19

            I agree with consistent and harsh, but that also leads to fewer hits if guys want to play. I just think the margin for error is too small with the speed of the game. Sometimes a shoulder to shoulder is going to miss and if you can’t afford to miss, you probably can’t afford to hit.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Tough to say. That’s certainly possible. My own sense is it would lead to fewer violent hits, not fewer hard hits or hits in general. But who’s to know? Can’t see anything changing in any way, shape or form anytime soon.

          • Z-man19

            I can completely agree with your last sentence. This will continue to be a clusterfuck for the foreseeable future.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Yeah. If its ok for people to be knocked out, they will be. There’s millions and millions of dollars at stake here. And players are all going to make more money if they win in the post season ( right Bicks?), so expect it more this time of year.

          • Z-man19

            And if you’re going to allow guys to slash and hook another guy in the nuts, sooner or later someone is going to cross the line trying to deliver payback.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Dibs on the hatchet and long sword.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        I already found the disabling dog whistle, so whatevs.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I’m going to do my best Rob Roy.

  • wreckinball

    Sorry all of the talking heads saying how dirty the Seabrook bit was versus the Orpik but Actually zero difference One guys shoulder got hurt no penalty another guys head got heard game changing 5 minute major and possible suspension

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Zero difference?

      The difference is that the shoulder was the primary point of contact in the Orpik hit (hence the injured shoulder), while the head was the primary point of contact on the Seabrook hit.

      No suspension necessary for Orpik, one game likely and deserved for Seabrook.

      • wreckinball

        Watch it again exactly the same point of contact one guys shoulder hits the board another guys head

        • 10thMountainFire

          Don’t bother. The guy is a tool.

  • Paul the Fossil

    The wife and I will be in the second row of section 321 on Monday evening. And I’m already nervous now.

    • wreckinball

      Hawks have to play 60 minutes If they do they will win

    • roadhog

      Remember to bring your will to win.

  • Michael Scott

    I love Lumbus!

  • ToewsCheatCode

    Columbus dug deep and refused to lose. Rode the will to win all the way to their first PO win ever. Congrats to them.

  • BestPredsForward

    Seems clear we might have to wait 6 months for the The Avalanche Great Regression.

    • Why

      I chuckled.

    • roadhog

      It appears Edmonton should have hired Roy about two years ago. Varlamov is a big component, but getting the youth to buy in has been impressive. Rumor from folks I know in Denver is that Vegas overnights and strip joints were pretty common place on a regular basis for much of the Lanche before Roy showed up.

      • roadhog

        And I’m sure Sakic has played a role in the clean up too.

      • Why

        They’ve bought in and they attack with speed and skill that most teams probably don’t have.

        But I’m never sure whether it’s player development or just better drafting.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Varlamov.

          • Why

            Doesn’t hurt. Neither do Duchene, Landeskog, O’Reilly, MacKinnon, etc.

            Forget about goaltending, how many forwards do you list from Colorado ahead of everybody from Edmonton, right now?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Colorado is what Edmonton should have been.

          • Why

            I love this conversation. To me, they simply got a little unlucky. It doesn’t look like they ever had a chance at a can’t miss guy (Maybe Seguin over Hall? Maybe?) but when you look at the actual drafts, they took the guy that everyone probably would have taken. Colorado gets MacKinnon, basically have no choice but to take Landeskog with Nugent-Hopkins off the board and then hits big on Duchene.

  • Hawkeytalk

    Phone hearing tomorrow for Seabs.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      So less than 5 games. That’s a plus, I guess.

    • roadhog

      No doubt a dark room for Backes. Regretable.

      • Hawkeytalk

        Definitely. And nothing announced for Bickell, so assuming no hearing.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        Backes looked really hurt.

        Regardless of what we think of him, it really sucks to see a player get crushed like that. He could barely stand.

        • roadhog

          I swear he was asking Toews to fight when he finally got to his feet.

        • Waylon

          yes it’s unfortunate – but again, consider the player in question, his behavior since he came into the league and his overall MO. He slewfoots the shit out of anyone he can, and has intentionally tried to injure players in so many instances it would take 1TB of memory to store them all. And don’t even get me started on some of the other Blues players like Ott – he’s trash out there.

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    The impact on the d corps minus seabrook?

    Not sure I want to find out.

    • roadhog

      Hammer moves up, Rozy joins Oduya(?) and Brookbank skates with Leddy(?)

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        The minute spread on those lines is going to be a shit show.

        I dont know which is better, rosz with keith and keeping hjammer and oduya together or vice versa.

        • roadhog

          I was thinking the same, but more for the swedish calming effect for Oduya.

      • Why

        My guess is that Rozsival plays with Keith. Isn’t that what we saw in overtime?

        • roadhog

          Yep, better to keep two pair (especially the swedes) together than one.

        • Z-man19

          I concur, the Swedes stay together for the most part depending on Moonpie’s effectiveness

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’m still convulsing from Brookbank filling in during Keith’s suspension in the WCF last season.

          • Why

            It’s a hard spot to put anybody in. The advantage here is that it hasn’t been close to a month since the last time he played.

  • roadhog

    Has anyone come up with a “Money Puck” formula? Avs/Wild really begs for a comparison with those two huge contracts in Minny.

    • Why

      I haven’t seen it yet. Some people on the board (Liz?) have brought up the idea that Corsi/Fenwick stats are more sustainable then goals and that you can get better value by paying those guys rather than goal scorers or people that excel at plus/minus.

      • roadhog

        It would have to be some cash value (+/-) to corsi/fenwick differential from league average.

        • Why

          Yeah. That was the “study”. The other argument was that Corsi/Fenwick was more sustainable, therefore, you’re more likely to get what you pay for. I have significant issues with it, but that’s the argument.

          • roadhog

            Hard to call. You want a reliable model, and goals/assists plus/minus alone won’t get you there. I mean, Ovi’s goals vs. his plus minus would lead to contradictory results, I’m not going to call one more right than the other.

          • Why

            Right, but the studies and arguments that I’ve seen rely heavily on Fenwick or Corsi. Here’s one example:

            http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/7/13/4519148/moneypuck-corsi

          • roadhog

            Interesting read.

  • MSUadam

    All the bitching about seabs play during the year I agree with 100% but this series he has been the best hawks d-man (hammer definitely a close second). no panicking and staying strong on the puck and 4 points in two games?!? This really sucks he will be gone a while!

  • Why

    Crawford sticking up for his teammates on TSN right now. I fucking love Crawford.

    • roadhog

      AND, I’ve liked playoff Crow’s play.

      • Why

        He’s been ok. He hasn’t been lights out. It’s not all on him. But I’m tempted to say that Miller has outplayed him so far. That doesn’t change my opinion on wanting Crawford to be the guy going forward.

        • roadhog

          I think Crow has faced tougher shots and done well, sad to say. Miller seems to have had the luxury of the Hawks getting him in the chest a lot. Crow single handedly kept us in game one for most of the final five minutes of regulation.

          • Why

            The tougher shots thing I’m not sure about. I’ve been pretty vocal about what the Blackhawks are creating on the break. Crawford hasn’t had to deal with many 2 on 1′s or breakaways. He’s had a couple of point shots slip through his five hole.

            But the Tarasenko goal wasn’t a softy and you make a good point about the final five minutes.

          • roadhog

            And in Miller’s defense, those three shots from our D today were coming deflected and/or through screens 40 ft away.

          • Why

            I’m not faulting Miller (aside from period 1 of game 1). I’m not happy with the game tier in game 1 or the overtime winner tonight. That doesn’t change the fact that Crawford’s generally been pretty solid.

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      whats he saying?

      • Why

        I wish I had DVR so I’m working from memory here. Essentially, it was a shot at the way the refs handled the Seabrook situation, especially the Blues throwing punches in the aftermath with no penalties being called. It was basically Toews’s “We’ll win this game twice” from last year, only done in the “whatever” fashion that minimizes the fine he might end up getting.

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          ah i see was he on the phone or something?

          • Why

            Media scrum that TSN showed the replay of.

      • Why

        Actually, it’s the same interview that was posted on the Blackhawks official site. Check it out there if you want to see it.

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    Need to debilitate your critical thinking up but don’t have time to read TrollChodeCode’s comments (who does, or even wants to?). Here’s a solution:

    http://www.palcohol.com/home.html

  • CozBullsFan

    Here’s my 2cents on this game…

    The thing that disgusts me most is how un-Hawk like the team played tonight. The mantra has always been to beat them on the scoreboard. I understand that the Hawks needed to up their play to match the Blues after a terrible first 30 minutes to the game. That said, there were far too many dumb ass penalties.

    I’m sure we can all agree that the first half of the game was a direct result of Q’s piss poor line choices. Changing the lines had the effect we all expected. I expect the lines to stay the same with small changes. #FREEMORIN

    As for the Seabs hit. I understand both sides of the discussion. It doesn’t matter what we think. It’s up the NHL. Let’s just drop it. Also, we need to palomino the whole Seabrook sucks thing. It’s pointless to continue with it. Both the TOS and the readers. We know what your opinion is. Just let it go. If someone brings it up, just ignore it and move up. Much like the trolls.

    I’m not worried. The games were close. The Hawks made bad decisions that led to their current predicament. I know they know this. They know they can win the series. I will never lose faith in our team.

    • The Doctor

      Funny thing is, the people saying he sucks will be part of the crowd crying if he gets suspended.

      • roadhog

        I don’t think that’s the case around here. I think his biggest critics see the suspension coming and don’t disagree. We will see.

        • CozBullsFan

          Agreed.

        • The Doctor

          I don’t disagree. The suspension might be warranted. But if we end up losing the series they will point to the Seabs suspension as one of the factors for it when it shouldn’t matter if he’s as bad as they say (he isn’t).

      • Why

        Yep.

    • Why

      I don’t think it can be ignored. The people that run this site write entertaining and informative stuff so I recommend reading the site to other people and read it myself. They’re also very hard on Seabrook. Check the twitter account today for another example.

      Seabrook’s probably going to be part of the story here for while. There’s also going to be nights where he’s part of the story regardless of what site you visit. Tonight happens to be one of those.

    • roadhog

      Totally agree.
      1- I like our chances playing Hawk hockey, not Blues hockey. I can live with the results.
      2- Sometimes I think Q actually believes his line choices are genius, when in actuality it’s our team depth and player spite achieving success.
      3- Seabs is an enigma because of his partner and the eye test. No hockey player is perfect, but for some reason Seabs mistakes are magnified. His hit tonight stupid, and he knows it.
      4- This series could easily be 2-0 Hawks. Urgency is coming. I believe.

      Great wrap Coz.

  • Why

    Toews on Hawks’s site:

    We just didn’t play well enough in the first period. I think, as a group, we answered back and we played the right way in the 2nd and the 3rd and everyone started playing a little more physical, a little more emotion in our game and you saw the result. We were getting shots from the point, we were getting traffic, we were getting pucks back and we were winning battles. Do[ing] a lot of great things. We did what we had to do to win we just finish it.

    I’m with Toews. They played a style of hockey that was chippy, physical and necessary. No apologies from me about how the team played tonight.

    • CozBullsFan

      This is one time I will disagree with Cap. That style of play resulted in bad penalties at the worst times. That’s not the style of the Hawks. The team needs to play their game. Q needs to ice the right lines. The rest will fall into place.

      • Why

        Putting it out there. I’d rather see this team fight back than go out with a whimper. There was no whimpering tonight.

        • CozBullsFan

          That’s my point. What style of play resulted in the Hawks being down to Detroit last year 3-1? The same thing we saw tonight. What style of play resulted in them coming back and winning the series? The style that has always made them successful.

          • Why

            Disagree here. They cashed powerplays and finished in front of the net. Game 6 was the powerplay going to work. The overtime winner in game 7 was the direct result of Bolland deciding that there was going to be a Detroit player that was going to get destroyed.

          • CozBullsFan

            You are correct about the powerplay results. What about their style of play? They stopped taking stupid penalties. That resulted in less PP opportunities for Detroit.

          • Why

            Well, it turns out I got game 5 and 6 confused above. But still, the big difference was finding a way to beat Howard. They still had no problem giving it back to Detroit in that series.

          • CozBullsFan

            The difference is that they did it in a controlled manner. Case in point, Toews play before and after Seabs calmed him down. Beating Howard was a direct result of playing their game.

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Were the Bicks and Seabs penalties indicative of the style of play? Those hits rarely happen from the Hawks.

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          Bickell was running people all night.

          • CozBullsFan

            Bickell was ok until his knee on knee penalty. Why Bickell? Why?

          • 10thMountainFire

            I guess I’ll be the guy to state that (not you) everyone whining about ‘out of control Bickell’ are likely the same people whining all year that Bickell wasn’t earning his money because he wasn’t ‘being the power forward’.

          • CozBullsFan

            I complained about Bickell because he didn’t do what made him successful in the playoffs. Bickell has always been physical to some degree. He needs to be a net presence.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Fine line. See: Andrew Shaw.

        • CozBullsFan

          Yes, they were. It’s sad really. This is not the Hawks I know. They don’t stoop to the level of their opponents.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            So they were running people all night?

          • CozBullsFan

            I would have to say yes. Bickell was on a mission to level someone tonight.

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    So..uh..who do you think is saying “wakey wakey backes”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFCiYri04Oo#t=45

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      I don’t think it’s anyone on ice. Nobody is really in a position to be saying it at that point. Maybe from the bench…

      • 10thMountainFire

        Also possible. My first thought was that it was probably Keith.

        • laaarmer

          My guess is that it is most certainly from the ice. Watch Steen. He heard it.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yeah, I saw that as well. He starts yelling back toward where the pile was.

          • laaarmer

            I don’t even know who was on the ice, except Keith.

            That sounds like Kane’s voice, but it’s probably some guy near the mics by the glass.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Hossa and Toews were two of the skaters. Seabrook doesn’t strike me as having said it given his contrition about injuries after the game. Crow… not likely. That leaves Keith. I can see him saying it.

            Not that it matters. I love how people act shocked and appalled at what gets said on the ice. It’s like they expect them all to be Ned Flanders out there.

          • laaarmer

            Seabrook might have even told Backes to keep his head up all day because he was coming for him. I have no issue with them doing this to a team that has Ott on it. Live by it Die by it.

            That said (because you said that a couple times), Seabrook is going to be suspended a bit. Wasn’t Keith suspended last year also? How did that work out?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Lapierre has been a douche through both games as well. The indignation of St. Louis players and fans after they pretty much stole Vancouver’s playbook on cheapness is hilarious.

          • laaarmer

            What I find most ridiculous about NHL hockey is that defenseman can get boarded all day long. Every time they turn their back, especially in the playoffs they get boarded in the corner. They are expected to just take it? So, Seabrook has had enough and unloads on somebody, possib;y ending his season, like they are trying to do to him every shift. Seabs shouldn’t have done it. There is no arguing that, but you can see why he did it. It’s not a two way street out there.

          • 10thMountainFire

            The downside of the continued suspensions of guys like Seabrook (with no prior history of aiming up high, slew footing, etc) is that it doesn’t serve to stem the problem. You’ll still have guys like Ott running at stars. Backes will still be lining up guys in the bench area for a big hit.

            But Hammer gets suspended for the Buffalo incident and Seabs will sit for this while I think it’s unwarranted. Backes went into the corner with his back turned. Keith ends up with the puck, Seabs looks to finish his check on the puck carrier. Two steps, Backes turns and dips his shoulders, placing his head in the line of Seabrook’s chest. Seabrook has never changed his hitting style. His forward push, leading with his chest and forearms is his style. But he’ll sit. Because… well, no reason but that a player was injured.

            It was Backes’ fault. I guess I’ll be the first to say it.

          • laaarmer

            Seabrook went right after his head. He deserves to be suspended

          • 10thMountainFire

            I think some of your figures are inaccurate.

          • laaarmer

            He could have hit him in the chest. Hawks probably win the game. He knew what he was doing there, and I’ll bet in the exact same situation, he would do it again. You are not passing up an opportunity like that.
            Was it charging? no. But it was a bad play deserving of a penalty

          • laaarmer

            Bickell’s knee?
            I’m not even sure that’s a penelty. If Vlad doesn’t use the escape move it’s a good hit. He skated in to Bickell’s knee. Whatever. It’s in the past.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Bickell’s hit… I agree with you. The reason for the knee-to-knee was the avoidance of the hit. Left the leg vulnerable. But Bickell is clearly abiding by some sort of command to ‘be physical’. He should do that in front of the net instead.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Two minutes is warranted. Four for the blood. But I just don’t think finishing his check through like that was targeting the head. How would he know the head would be that low? Backes squatted and lowered his upper body to Seabs’ chest level.

          • laaarmer

            He didn’t dip his head. I have pointed out that Seabrook is not bending his legs and gets off balance often. if he lowers his ass 4 inches, the game is a win.

          • 10thMountainFire

            But isn’t that the way Seabrook always hits? Forearms up, standing up, push through?

          • 10thMountainFire

            On your other point, when ‘wakey wakey’ is said, the camera shows Seabs skating away. He didn’t say it.

    • flahawkfan

      Twitter is ablaze with people convinced it was Keith who said it.

      • 10thMountainFire

        That’s who I thought it was when I heard it. It’s likely not Toews and Hossa’s accent would be apparent.

        • flahawkfan

          Somebody pointed out to me that Pietrangelo was right next to Keith when those words were said and he didn’t respond at all, and he likely would have if it was Keith. Could it have possibly been someone in the stands?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yeah, I really have no idea. Obviously no one even knows where the mic was. As far as players on the ice, Keith would have been my guess for most likely to say it but… doesn’t matter to me, anyway.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Doesn’t seem to be any of the on-ice Hawks. None look to be speaking like that. Could be someone on the bench, or a fan or something near the mic.

    • CozBullsFan

      It wasn’t from anyone on the ice. If you watch when Steen is yelling at someone, you can’t hear what he is saying. That means the mic is somewhere else. I’m guessing it was someone on the bench.

      • laaarmer

        It was Pierre!

        • 10thMountainFire

          All the way from Pittsburgh…

  • Why

    TSN panel all believe Seabrook’s getting between 3 and 5 games.

    EDIT: I suppose, if I’m going to be accurate, McKenzie said that “the meter starts running” at 2 and it won’t be more than 5. Others were all between 3 and 5.

    • 10thMountainFire

      In the context of Orpik and Rupp, that’s patently stupid. Essentially, there would be no precedent, no consistency, and the league just becomes more of a joke.

      • CozBullsFan

        F’n A XMF.

    • CozBullsFan

      That’s ridiculous for a first time offender. I’m expecting 1-2 games.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Are that taking into account that it was David Backes that was injured? That should make it a reprieve.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Backes is Captain America. He’s a leader. He leaderships.

        • Accipiter

          He is a good player.

          • 10thMountainFire

            He is, no doubt. But he’s also a dirty player at times, plays physical, and the physical players have to accept that they’ll often be on the receiving end if they’re tossing their body around.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I don’t ever want to agree with Roenick again, but for Backes-types, what goes around does come around eventually. No one ever deserves that, but guys that hit like that inevitably become guys that other players want to hit like that.

          • Accipiter

            Seabrook got all of him.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Sad to say I share your opinion.

          • Hawkeytalk

            Hitch said he was “not good”.

            Wait, I already made that joke.

    • Hawkeytalk

      The wild card in all of this is there’s a new sheriff in town. It’s not Shanny anymore; whoever it is may be looking to make his mark in an unexpected way. Who’s the new guy again?

      • CozBullsFan

        That would be a bullshit excuse. A new sheriff doesn’t supersede precedence. In fact, he blew his chance with Lucic.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I’m getting an intangible sneaking suspicion that Seabrook is going to be the way he announces his authority.

          • Hawkeytalk

            This is exactly what I meant.

          • CozBullsFan

            If he does that, it’s hilarious. That would show he is no different from Shanny. Same old story. No consistency.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Still hurts us. At least until Lapierre or Ott the Ugly runs Toews. Then it really hurts us.

          • CozBullsFan

            I’m confident he won’t go to extremes. Only reason is that Seabs will have an easy case on appeal.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            He already taggd rupp for his hit on oshi

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yeah, he did. And the two hits aren’t comparable. One was a flying elbow, the other was a check. Meh, charging/interference/whatever… but still two completely different plays.

        • Hawkeytalk

          Remember when Shanny was new? He was handing out 5 game suspensions like they were candy. Granted, there was a new headshot rule, it was preseason and he was new.

          I still stand by my 2-3 games, with my guess that it will be 2.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yep. I think Quintal comes in blazing.

          • Hawkeytalk

            An even crazier outcome is 0 games, saying that the hit doesn’t deserve supplemental. Or just 1 game, saying he already was assessed a match penalty.

          • 10thMountainFire

            All funny given that no penalty was even called until the officials huddled afterward. Then it became a game misconduct.

          • Hawkeytalk

            The fact that there is plausibility from anywhere between 0 and 5 games shows the subjective nature of these assessments. Guidelines be damned, because playoffs, parties involved, how he hit, principle point of contact, penalties assessed, injury, etc etc.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Makes me wonder if the totality of the toll of the injury plays into it. One would be a fool to think it doesn’t.

          • Hawkeytalk

            It does, it’s almost always brought up “xx was not injured on the play”. Why would he say it if it isn’t in the assessment?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Which also leads into a question of whether the status of a player (star, superstar, etc) plays into it. Of course it does.

          • Hawkeytalk

            “Value to team”.

          • CozBullsFan

            That’s the joke. The lack of consistency shows there are no obvious guidelines when it comes to suspensions.

          • CozBullsFan

            I wouldn’t put it past them, but I doubt it.

          • CozBullsFan

            Why didn’t he come in guns blazing with Lucic? Same old, same old.

          • 10thMountainFire

            But… HEAD SHOTS.

          • CozBullsFan

            If I’m not mistaken, it was a head shot.

          • 10thMountainFire
      • Z-man19

        New guy nothing, these are all the same guys that were making the decisions before.

        • Accipiter

          Just a new spokesperson.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Well, St. Louis does remind me of the 2009-2013 Canucks. The self-righteous indignation of a filthy team when someone who was committing those same acts with regularity gets knocked flat is as humorous as it is ironic.

    St. Louis is full of morons. They really should see if Burrows is available this offseason.

    • Michael Scott

      I hate them so much. It’s unhealthy.

      • 10thMountainFire

        It’s Vancouver level now.

        • pepe_silvia

          I in no way believe that this series is even close to over, but I will be rooting my ass off for the other 14 teams if the Blues advance.

        • Michael Scott

          Seriously, I hadn’t even recognized it until you said it. But I fully realize that my playoff hopes are 1) Hawks win or 2) Blues don’t.

          I care more about nothing. At all.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It would be a summer of listening to Blues fans (all six of them, in unison in between hits off the pipe) complain of a league-wide conspiracy to ensure the success of the Hawks.

          • Michael Scott

            And it would be the greatest summer ever

          • 10thMountainFire

            Third greatest… 2010, 2013…

          • pepe_silvia

            I’m glad I’m not alone in these sentiments

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            The worst part is everyone else sees the hawks as gooning it up now. Poor little st louis going for their first cup never did nothin’ the big bad hawks are a bunch of dirty cunts that talk shit to injured players now in everyones eyes.

          • pepe_silvia

            Well people who think that are, how shall I put this delicately… fucking morans

          • 10thMountainFire

            This and this.

          • CozBullsFan

            From what I’ve gathered from Reddit, other teams fans don’t see it that way. They know Seabs isn’t that kind of player.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            Lots of people over there seem to be calling toews a some sort of scumbag or coward or variation of the latter for talking to backes…even though no one has any idea what the exchange was. Bickells hit didnt help the matter. And then of course whoever the brainless fuck was that chirped “wakey wakey backes” just makes them look worse.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Lots of people over there are drug-addled real life versions of Sling Blade characters.

          • CozBullsFan

            I saw those comments. That’s Reddit for you. Reddit can show it’s good side and bad side in one thread. Agreement on Seabs not being a dirty player. Assuming Toews was talking shit, even though that would be completely out of character for him.

          • YoAdrienne

            It’s all sour grapes, and it’s a damn shame Bickell and Seabrook fed them to those myopic clowns.

    • pepe_silvia

      Tell me about it. They love Lapierre and Reaves and Ott and Jackman. I don’t remember any Hawks fans ever liking Scott or Gorilla Salad or Bollig. But I guess we don’t know real hockey and hits

      • 10thMountainFire

        I think Bollig has garnered some respect. Deservedly so given his decent year and, comparatively speaking with the aforementioned idiots, he’s much more of a ‘hockey player’ than Carello and Fluffy.

        • pepe_silvia

          Yeah, and he’s not really that 4th line goon that Scott was. He was just the closest thing to one that the Hawks have had in the past few years, especially on this roster.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I once watched Scott on the power play. I then threw up all over myself.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Just don’t make me root for the Av’s next round…. Cuz I will…. Really, I will….

  • bizarrohairhelmet
    • 10thMountainFire

      Shut up, Hayes.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        for real.

      • CozBullsFan

        No shit. He gave up the right to comment on the Hawks the minute he decided not to sign. He can enjoy his time in Florida with his brother.

        • TheRealBBOX

          I’m sorry for missing this but I sometimes barely have time to keep up with the big club much less the prospects, Hayes has decided he’s not going to sign with the Blackhawks? What’s that all about? If it’s about his brother getting traded . . . I mean, that’s just dumb . . .

          • CozBullsFan

            That’s been suggested. Others have said it was because of how long it would take for him to make the roster. Either way, he should stop talking.

      • Joe Banks

        Tweeting from the stairwell?

    • Why

      #freemorin— brandon pirri (@pirri91) April 19, 2014

      • laaarmer

        You wonder why these fucksticks aren’t on the hawks?
        Good luck Kevin with your career coaching youth hockey

        • flahawkfan

          Exactly. I’ve heard/read rumors that Pirri’s problem was a locker room problem. I’m starting to believe them and am glad these guys aren’t Hawks.

        • Waylon

          so they get to play on a SC winning team, and this is how they act? Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  • detroit must die

    Easily one of the stupidest games I’ve seen the Hawks play in the Q era, considering the scenario. The stage. And the fact that despite deserving to lose, the Hockey Gods seemed willing to let the Hawks walk out of St. Louis with a 1-1 tie until Bickell and Seabs stupided it away. Karma’s a bitch.

    • Ripley4

      What makes you think the Hawks would’ve won without the penalties? They couldn’t hold a lead Friday or the two, 2-goal leads they had the last time they played in St. Louis.

      And even with the tying goal having been scored the Hawks had every bit as much chance to win thereafter as the Blues did.

      • Accipiter

        If you are basing your analysis on the regular season, you shouldn’t. These last two playoff games could have gone either way. You couldn’t be sure which team was going to win at any given moment. The Blues let the Hawks back into the game and the Hawks let the Blues back into the game. I understand your point about being able the hold the lead and close a team out (it is frustrating to watch and also not easy to do), but you can’t just look at the fact that the lead was given up and not acknowledge any circumstances that contributed to it. So far the hockey has been pretty entertaining despite the outcome.

        • Ripley4

          At some point one has to acknowledge patterns. For whatever reason, this team has been miserable finding ways to win 1-goal games for more than three months now. Yes, both teams let the other back in, but only one blew two leads with under 100 seconds to play, and only one then found a way to win after the games were tied.

          As for the circumstances, they very. The Hawks have used a plethora of ways to lose these types of games since January.

          I haven’t really found the hockey to be that entertaining either. It’s been close but not all that well played by either team.

  • Draftbeer

    I am not sure why we are letting Crawford off the hook here. I see TWO main issues right now…
    1. Hawks losing discipline late in games ( a common theme for Chicago). The Bickell hit was pathetic and I really can’t believe why Seabrook would dial in so much when you have the lead. Yes, Backes has a reputation for dirty hits, but when you are winning, the Hawks have to keep their heads on, not take anyone’s off.

    2. Crawford. Both the the late goals by St. Louis on Saturday had to be stopped by Craw…no excuses. It is the playoffs, not the preseason.Teams are figuring out that Crawford can be beaten by the post. He gave up two bad goals on Thursday ( one by the post and one under his legs) and the same thing happened on Saturday. Crawford is due $6 million next year…wow!

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      Not sure anyone is ‘Letting Crawford Off The Hood,’ but with all the Clownery going on these last two games, there is certainly no reason to single him out.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Absolutely. He quite simply has not been good enough. Period.

  • laaarmer

    Seabrook made a really bad play. The hit is not the worst part of the play. He shouldn’t have even been there, or maybe Keith shouldn’t have been there, eh? Wasn’t that Seabs side of the ice? Whatever. Seabs will get suspended and Keith will roam around without his partner. Not going to make for calm viewing.

    Last goal. Not Toews fault at all. He is the center. Why was Kane where he was? Kaner is lost.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Who would you line Kane with to mitigate the damage of his lapses in the Hawks’ zone?

      • laaarmer

        I don’t know.
        Gonna have to be Hossa and Toews at this rate.
        Maybe he’s just not ready to be back,especially against a team like St Louis.

        Still, Leads in both games late. It could be worse? Maybe that’s why we feel so bad about the losses?

        • 10thMountainFire

          Yeah. And that fits the pattern this season. Didn’t we lose the first two in St. Louis on late blown leads? I recall one being a Steen winner and maybe Tarasenko on the other?

          But on Kane, yeah it’s obvious he’s not playing 100%. That said, it’s a bit weird that other than Crow’s play this series is somewhat reminiscent of the Phoenix series. This could easily be 2-0 Hawks and very well could be 2-2 heading back to Methville.

          • laaarmer

            But The Hawks should win every game they play otherwise
            Bollig, Kane, Seabrook, Morin, Pirri, Tuevo

          • 10thMountainFire

            Oh yeah… Teuvo. Forgot about him.

            Also, Hayes and Pirri can both eat a bowl of feces. Obviously their attitudes are a big part of why they’re not going to have lockers at the UC except when playing a road game.

          • laaarmer

            Yeah, going to the hockey hot bed

          • 10thMountainFire

            I was never a fan of the Jimmy so I have no problem wishing Kevin a bumpy bus ride to Florida.

          • Country_Bumpkin

            I was thinking of this just now. While Crow is making some unpossible saves, the last two losses remind me of his play during the Phoenix series. This just makes Crawford an enigma, wrapped inside a marshmallow peep, covered in a Cadbury egg.

          • TheRealBBOX

            Nothing like the phrase “Phoenix series” to raise my pucker factor right now. This one doesn’t feel as hopeless to me as that one did, but there’s definitely some stomach-churning similarities.

        • TheRealBBOX

          They’ve both been stomach punch losses, defeats snatched from the jaws of victory, and I definitely believe that’s amplifying the feelings that go with them.

    • Accipiter

      At least Seabrook won’t lose the next few games for the Hawks with his defensive play.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    About 1:52 of playing tight ‘End of Game’ defense from being up 2-0.

    As someone stated back in March, this could go down as the Year of Missed Opportunities.

  • Z-man19
    • Accipiter

      That was what I expected. Seabs ain’t getting away scot(trade) free.

    • YoAdrienne

      I’m not surprised. What Bickell did was no worse than what any of the Blues were doing and got away with.

  • jordyhawk

    TSN guys were on Hossa for turning away from Tarasenko’s shot rather than trying to block it. If you look at the replay closely, they have a good point. Water under the bridge now. Maybe some motivation there for him going forward.

    • 10thMountainFire

      TSN will have to explain to God why they criticized Him on Easter Sunday.

      • jordyhawk

        These last few days have not been our finest. We need a Churchill to rally us. I hope we can find one.

    • Accipiter

      He could have slid in front of the shot. I think Hossa was anticipating Tarasenko to dish to the wide open point man or the player in the circle (left side faceoff dot) and made a bad choice.

      • laaarmer

        Toews could have blocked it as well.

        My son’s exact words.
        “You gotta sell out there, wherever it hits you. That shot cannot get through. See, Crawford never saw it.”

  • Country_Bumpkin

    On this Easter day I will not panic until the Hawks lose at home. That being said, I have a feeling the Blues and Miller will be too much for the Hawks this year. When the Hawks start playing “Insert Team X here” style of hockey, then tend to lose games. Need to right the ship Q.

    • TheRealBBOX

      The Hawks do need to have a “come to Jesus” moment so maybe it’s appropriate today is Easter? I dunno. As far as the rest of the series goes, maybe I’m just an idiot (ok, no qualifier needed) but I don’t feel like the Blackhawks are gonna lose. I feel the same way now as I did down 3-1 against Detroit last year, just waiting for the boys to cut the crap and start playing like the championship-caliber team they are.

      • Jane Doe

        I think Easter is a Jesus comes to you moment. Just sayin’

  • duncans peace pipe

    reminds me of the series vs scum last year. we’ll be fine.

    towes has been awful thus far, but it always takes him a while to warm up in the playoffs.

    • CozBullsFan

      Toews is also coming back from an injury.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      He’s actually been amazing, minus the score sheet. No, at some point you can’t excuse zero points from your top point-producers, but he’s flat out decimated Steen’s line. Last night alone he was at something like 85% Corsi. Doesn’t tell the whole tale, but it’s a pretty good summary.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Toews and Kane are both returning from injury. They’ll get better, but relying on them isn’t a great strategy.

      It’s time for the likes of Saad, Shaw, Hossa and Sharp to get on the board. The Blackhawks’ depth is a big part of what makes them great. And they’ve been pretty quiet on the scoreboard so far.

      Maybe the Blues D really is just that damn good. Or many they need to dig a little deeper and find the will to break-through and reach that next gear.

  • ballyb11

    IMO, Seabrook hit:
    1. Was vicious.
    2. Given the game situation, ranks high on the dumbest hockey plays of all time.

    Hard to believe stat:

    Hawks’ PPs – 10.
    Hawks’ shots – 8.
    Blues’ shots – 4.

    • 10thMountainFire

      No.

    • laaarmer

      Seabrook likely has had enough of being run. He will serve it out and if they go down all the asswhipe Seabrook eye test haters will be able to see how important his obvious poor play is to the team. Or they’ll just blame him bcause he took a penalty, like his partner did last year. Gotta have it both ways and they will

    • juniorgilb

      1. Seabrook is a very good player in many respects (won’t list) but he is mistake-prone, and makes bad decisions with some regularity. Those decisions and mistakes often cost his team. All old news.

      2. Backes is a d-bag and easy for opposing players and fans to dislike (I certainly dislike him), but Seabrook’s play in that situation was a complete brain-cramp. Both the Game 2 loss and the suspension were avoidable. Seabrook is perfectly capable of knowing not to try a play that puts a 1-goal lead at serious risk with 5 minutes to play. But he did not think (also old news).

      3. Seabrook played well in Game 1 and scored another essential goal in Game 2. That does not excuse him from making the very dumb play that cost the game. It wasn’t just “finishing his check” that got away from him by chance. It was a predictably dangerous play. The “who me?” and “gee I feel bad for Backes” reactions were disciplinary cover. If he doesn’t know better, he is dumber than the small credit I give him.

      4. The 3-game suspension was deserved.

      5. The Blues have been baiting the Blackhawks since the series began, and sadly, #7 took the bait.

  • beefman73

    The focus, the hunger as a team doesn’t seem like it’s there and Hitchcock is doing something right to get the Hawks off playing their system/game, maybe i am wrong. If there’s a team that is capable to turn this around despite the scenario, it’s the defending champs the Chicago Black Hawks if they rally together as a team, no doubt. Go Hawks!!!!!!

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Well said. They need to dig deep and find the hunger and the focus they had last year. It’s been missing most of this year to be honest, with all the inconsistency and blown leads and whatnot. If they find that gear again, then nobody can stop them.

  • Accipiter
    • YoAdrienne

      Thanks. He’s usually pretty spot-on. This piece is no exception.

  • ahnfire
    • flahawkfan

      Hoo boy.

    • roadhog

      Means he’ll be good and rested for game 6.

      • 10thMountainFire

        I like the cut of your jib.

      • YoAdrienne

        Also 3 fewer games in which to head-hunt him, and you KNOW they will. But, I’m more worried about what those troglodytes will try to do to Toews at this point. At least he learned his lesson with the Orpik incident, so I’m sure he’ll be ready for whatever they throw at him.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Because none for repeat offender Orpik and three for first time offender Seabrook is logical.

      Solid, NHL. Keep on whittling away your legitimacy.

      • amontesawesome

        Longer than I expected as well.

        Heck, last year Duncan Keith as a repeat offender intentionally hit another player in the head with his stick and only got one game.

    • Pierre Wolfthing

      Hawks still have a chance to put this whole mess in the rear view mirror and move forward. Question is do they want to make this a playoff series one they will always want to remember or a series they will always want to forget…

    • ToewsCheatCode

      Reasonable and just for a reckless hit. Going to be interesting to see how the D-pairs shake out as a result.

      I think Q’s old-school mindset is going to take over, and he’s going to put Brookbank with Keith rather than moving Hammer up so Brookbank can ‘protect’ him.

  • ChicagoNativeSon

    I won’t be around for a few days, so I’ll offer my longwinded take on the game.

    I agree with Sam regarding Handzus. Great on the PK, a liability at EV. And the stats back that up. Not a single player on the Hawks was a minus in Corsi yesterday – except for Zus. He somehow managed to be a -9. Take that in for a moment.

    Unless Q thinks he can protect him better at home, Bollig will sit. Over 2 games he’s offered nothing. I saw the inevitable benching coming in the 1st period and commented on it. These playoffs were where he was supposed to get a 2nd chance to show he could play hardnosed, not stupid. He did so for the most part during the regular season and I defended him for it. But he’s failed so far.

    Can Q sit both Bollig AND Handzus, especially with Seabs out on the PK too? And what does that do to the 4th line Q’s depended on for D-zone draws all season? I know many want to see Morin, but Regin slots in better for Bollig in that role. To get Morin in the lineup, Q will have to do some major line shifting. And I expect to see that anyways, so who knows? #freemorin?

    Anyone who’s complaining about the way Bickell is playing might have a case of long term memory loss. This is the Bickell that forced turnovers, ill-advised passes, and opened space for his linemates during last year’s SC run. This is playoff hockey, and it’s needed, especially against teams like STL, LA, COL, ANA, and BOS.

    That knee was not intentional. Nor was it flagrant. He turned left to make the hit on Sobotka. When you turn left, you lead with your left leg. If he gets a little more of the body, it’s a clean hit. Sobokta put himself in that position by trying to avoid the hit. Watch the video.

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/19/video-bryan-bickell-goes-knee-on-knee-with-vladimir-sobotka/

    Bickell does not change position. Nor does his leg. Sobotka does. He shifts his upper body to his right to avoid the hit and leaves his leg extended to the left. Yes, it’s going to be called a penalty 99% of the time, but anyone who thinks the league looks at that is nuts. “Bickell was headhunting”? C’mon.

    Crow needs to be better. .870 Sv% last night and a .883 EV Sv% for the series. Yeah, I know most disagree because I saw lots of slobbering over how great he was. Both the 1st and 2nd goal were completely on Crow. You can’t let Porter score from that angle. And on Shittenkirk’s goal, Crow panics, slips and never gets back in position to stop an unscreened 47 foot shot. Taransenko scores with seconds left from 41 feet. Gotta have that. And then the trickler in OT. That’s 2 goals Crow let dribble through the 5 hole in 2 games. He did make some great saves, but ya gotta make the easy ones.

    Seabrook. Easily the best player on the ice for the Hawks for both games. Name one who has been better. Those who have been claiming he’s useless are going to get a dose of reality with him likely out. Rozsival hasn’t looked good since his return, so I’m not looking forward to him playing on either of the top 2 pairings.

    I have no problem with Seabs initially going for the hit. Yes, Backes was low and put himself in a vulnerable position, but as we’ve heard time and time again, the onus is on the hitter to not make that hit.

    St. Louis coming from behind to win both games makes for a good narrative and has me worried because you can’t give away ANY games in a tight series. But the Hawks also initially came from behind in both games, even though for stretches they played some of their worst hockey of the season. And if Sharp pots that goal, the game is out of reach.

    For the life of me, I can’t see how St. Louis matches up against or beats the Hawks in a 7-game series – unless they spot them 2 games. I personally expect the Hawks to blow out the Blues on Monday. And it won’t be because Morin played, or Seabs sucks, etc. It’ll be because they simply played to their potential. After that, it’ll be a dogfight.

    If Backes is out, Toews needs to put the team on his shoulders and take over this series. TWTW!

    Keep the faith my pantless friends. Go Hawks!

    • 10thMountainFire

      Sharp to the blue line for PK? Zus to blue line for PK?

    • ahnfire

      my only comment: FifthFeather wrote this wrap-up.

    • ToewsCheatCode

      People were arguing that Crow played well last night?

      I…. I don’t have the words. Such… completely and utter fantasy.

      I don’t really see the rational to say that the only way the Blues could win this series was if the Hawks spotted them two games. The Blues have been the superior team in the standings for most of the season. At best this series was going to be a toss-up.

      Now that the Hawks HAVE spotted the Blues two games as a result of a combination of heartless and stupid play, it just makes it all the more difficult for them to pull it out.

    • laaarmer

      At least it isn’t just me that knows Seabrook has been and will be the best or one of the best players on the current Stanley Cup Champion team.

  • 10thMountainFire

    For those who care to hear the NHL office of player safety’s reasons:

    http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=60&id=606797&lang=en

  • ToewsCheatCode

    Those comparing the Orpik hit and the Seabrook hit are funny.

  • Kderbyman

    Do you think it’s possible that Q will put together the Toews, Hossa and Sharp line for tonight’s game? Spreading out his stars across multiple lines makes no sense to me. In fact having Q juggle lines constantly is a cause of incredible frustration.