It's been real?

Exit Interviews: Patrick Sharp

I’m going to jump out of turn here, and instead of crawling up the depth chart sequentially we’ll jump ahead  to a player who is very much in the news and very likely is going to be much more in the news in the coming days. And that’s Patrick Sharp.

Regular Season: 82 games, 34 goals, 44 assists, 78 points, +13, 0.53 Behind The Net Rating, 17.62 Corsi per 60, (+7.9 Corsi Relative per 60)

Playoffs: 19 games, 5 goals, 5 assists, 10 points, -2, -0.91 Behind The Net Rating, -8.6 Corsi per 60 (-9.1 Corsi Relative per 60)

What We Liked: Much like a football in the groin is a football in the groin, 34 goals and 78 points is 34 goals and 78 points. The 78 points were a career high for The Shooter, and the 34 the second-most he’d put up in a season. Sharp also played all 82 games, which he’d only managed one other time in his career. At least in the regular season (and Game 7) Sharp still had a knack for coming up with the big goal and there’s still no better Hawk at ghosting into the scoring area at just the right time to bury one. And hey, making your first Olympic team at age 32 for Canada is really not something that should be sneezed at, because Sharp beat out a lot of younger forwards with more international pedigree.

What We Didn’t Like: This list is longer than you’d think. It seems this year that Sharp has started down the path set by Jarome Iginla the past few years, where a talented two-way forward starts to become something of a one-dimensional sniper. While people love to use his chasing down of Matt Duchene on a breakaway (even though it was on Boxing Day Plus when the Avs clearly weren’t there) as evidence that Sharp was still the two-way demon he had been, if you watched every game you saw that wasn’t the case. Some of the nasty habits that only flashed in previous years were more prevalent this year. The fleeing of the zone early when possession hadn’t been gained, the floating around the neutral and offensive zone instead of seeking the puck, all the while waiting for Toews and Hossa to hit his tape (which they did more often than not), the not always digging it back on the backcheck, they were just more in evidence this season. Some of that could be attributed to aging legs asked to play 82 and the Olympics, but they were there early too.

And of course, there were the playoffs, where Sharp just wasn’t himself. There has been no claim of injuries, but I still find that hard to believe. Again, it could have been just the wear of a long season. But Sharp managed five goals, and four of them were either complete flukes or in the last second of a game already decided. Only his second in Game 7 (arguably his one in Game 6 against St. Louis, though Miller completely shit it) were genuine goals. It got him booted down to the third line for most of the L.A. series, as Sharp just looked like he didn’t have that burst that put him past and around d-men. That’s why I’m still suspicious of an injury, probably from when Shaw accidentally clocked him in the Minnesota series.

What Is It, You Would Say, You Do Here: Well this is the story, isn’t it? Because it looks like whatever Sharp does, it’s not going to be here. There’s been a lot of smoke recently about Sharp being available via trade. You’ve had organizational bullhorn Eddie Olczyk speculate that a veteran is going to be moved, and he almost always has an agenda. There are plenty reporting it as well, and we’ve yet to hear a denial from the Hawks. Considering how much the Hawks control their message, I find it hard to believe that stuff like this gets out without a denial without some sort of plan. The lack of injury news in the playoffs seems stranger now, because even if Sharp himself wouldn’t use it as an excuse you’d think the Hawks would for a player considered part of “the core.” Don’t want to hurt his value?

For purely hockey reasons, it only makes some sense. Sharp is in his 30s, which means he’s beyond his peak. He’s expensive (though on a bang for buck level, he’s one of the more valuable around. Though as you’ll see, that term is going to be a double entendre), and the Hawks may have to open up some cap space for the Kane and Toews extensions. The Hawks may feel that they can go younger and cheaper on a line with Toews and Hossa (or Kane and #2 center TBD) and he’ll produce. For instance, I can say with relative confidence that if you stuck Morin on Toews’s and Hossa’s wing, he’d give you 20-25 goals. The Hawks have a lot of wingers, and that’s probably where they’re best able to replace a departure.

Ah, but that’s not the whole story here. In my position, pretty regularly I get emails from people claiming to be in the know (and some genuinely are) letting me know about what they’ve heard about this guy or what’s going on with this injury and so on. I appreciate it of course, as I don’t really have any “insiders.” Most of it I dismiss out of hand. But when they start to pile up about the same things or incidents, you start to take notice. When you tap on some people who may be in the know and they say the same things, you take notice more. So I present the following not as truth but just as what I’ve heard repeatedly from a wide variety of people.

There are off-ice issues with Sharp. There may have been a physical altercation with a teammate (and a very important one). Let’s just say the image of Sharp as a wholesome family man with his two daughters is not an accurate picture. There may be other problems. Of course, I find that second one kind of hilarious because the Hawks didn’t exactly halt, and even accelerated, that whole reputation Sharp has as the best looking athlete in town. “Look at how dangerous this tiger is! And now we’re shocked that it’s eating people!”

We know how protective the Hawks are of their message and their image. I don’t know if all or any of what we’ve heard about Sharp is true and what kind of complications it could lead to. But what is clear is that the Hawks are pretty wary of it. And it might just sully some of what they’ve presented to the world. Clearly can’t have that.

But as for connecting the dots with Sharp on the move, and Ryan Kesler coming to town, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. The Canucks would want to get younger and cheaper in return for Kesler, neither of which Sharp is. Maybe he’s part of the deal, but I’d be real surprised if that was the case. It makes more sense in a deal for Joe Thornton, as with Doug Wilson losing his mind he would think he’s shipping out his Captain Loser for a proven winner. But the money doesn’t totally line up there either, though it could.

All of this leads me to believe The Sharp Shooter’s days in red are at an end, as soon as Friday. It’s sad, because there was no better servant than Sharp. And if it’s for reasons that don’t have to do with hockey, that would piss me off royally (depending on return, of course). Of course, we’ll never hear any of this. But if you own a #10 jersey… might be time to reinvest.

  • Special Agent Dale Cooper

    Ty said it was something with Kane..And I remember reading somewhere else before the playoffs began that he had an altercation with Kane on a night out…Donno what any of it means or if it’s true..But I’m not getting the second part? There may be other problems…? Like what?

    • TheRealBBOX

      I’ll put this plainly, with no innuendo – HE’S BONING SOMEONE ELSE’S WIFE OR GIRLFRIEND.

      • High and Wide

        I get what you’re saying, but I read it more as poking fun at the Hawks ORGANIZATION encouraging coverage of his handsomeness but then being worried about coverage of that handsomeness’ inappropriate sexy consequences

        • TheRealBBOX

          You can be good looking and still not go poking your stick where it doesn’t belong though. Any inappropriate consequences from Sharp’s actions fall completely on his shoulders, not anyone else’s.

          • High and Wide

            Oh, obviously! Not at all disagreeing with your assertion that he’s responsible for his own shit. I just felt like that passage was specifically about the Hawks’ management of that alleged shit and not at all making any moral judgement OR allowance about his behavior. (As in they made fun of PR CHARACTERIZING him as a tiger and then freaking out about coverage of the tiger eating people, rather than saying he IS a tiger who just can’t stop himself from eating people, or even that PR “made” him become a tiger so it’s not his fault.) Of course you may read it differently because the world is full of possibilities or whatever. I didn’t think that aside was particularly important to the thrust of the argument but I did find it interesting we interpreted it so differently. Anyway, have a good one.

      • Special Agent Dale Cooper

        No shit….Shooter shootin’ his gun off at any lady in Chicago! Hahahah!

      • lizmcneill

        Every athlete who was ever traded was boning someone else’s wife/gf.

        Heard about Seguin last year, heard it about Carter the year before.

        • stargazeman

          Mark Grace wasnt traded while Ryne Sandberg was still a Cub and Gracies was boning Ryno’s wife….that trade came much much later.

          • The Nutbrown Hare

            Geez, how did she fit Gracie in between Dave Martinez and Rafael Palmeiro?

      • Andrew Heitman

        This was the case with Pronger in Edmonton….his wife basically said, we leave or I leave…A couple buddies bounced around 6th adn 7th lines in the NHL confirmed that this is a very real reason why ‘blockbuster’ and ‘surprise’ trades happen. Its not a surprise to the teammate who watched the married guy go home on the road with some roadie Timbit….

      • flahawkfan

        Hmm. So where was Dunc’s wife last night, and why wasn’t he wearing his wedding band?

        See, anyone can engage in wild speculation.

        Nor sure what to think re the rumors but regardless, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sharpie traded.

        • stargazeman

          Yeah, why the photo with Dunc’s brother, Cameron, instead of his wife standing next to him?…hmmm, was Sharpie in Thunder Bay, LakeView or Vegas?…Enquiring minds are now wanting to know since Bernstein announced all this on the SCORE. So sad if turns out Sharpie wasnt who McDonough made him out to be—especially for the kids and women. Goals for births of his own daughters now feel tainted—say it aint so Patrick.

    • Leightons5hole

      i read that as he has probably been seen around town with some ladies that aren’t his wife

      • robertgoulet

        I have it on good authority that it was indeed PK who the altercation was with…and was during a night out.

        Re: penchant for chasing tail: apparently one of his favs during the playoffs works in local TV.

        • Hockey

          Weather Girl? Post-game show? Shoot the puck girls?

          • robertgoulet

            Ding Ding. #1.

          • Danman

            Cheryl Scott?

          • fromheretoinfirmary

            Cherrrylllll Scottttttt……

          • Hockey

            Yummy

          • Dave

            So is it that PK got mad at Sharp for doing this or is it that PK is doing the chasing of tail as well and they were fighting over the same weather girl/ tv personality?

        • SotsFired

          I heard it was Phil Ponce.

          • The Nutbrown Hare

            Harry Porterfield?

        • HawkIPA

          Man, I miss talking about hockey. Hopefully all this nonsense gets wrapped up this weekend.

        • YoAdrienne

          Who is your “good authority”?

    • Commit88

      Lol really? That is funny. I could see wanting to punch out Kane. Does anyone have any real proof? I know this site is better than starting rumors. So I’m curious about Sharp because I’ve never heard anything like that. I’ve seen (pics, who hasn’t?) and heard a lot of bad things about Kane. I would think if there were other issues something would have come out by now. Sharp seems like the nicest and most down to earth Blackhawk to me.

    • RhaD

      It’s the “punching Kane” thing that really makes it obvious all of this is made up. Sharp is Kane’s biggest fan, and it’s clear that Kane is just as fond of Sharp. Besides which, this is the city that enjoyed feasting on made up stories about Kane’s drug addiction, wouldn’t the fact he got into a fist fight in a bar have made some waves before now?

    • Bannerman

      I got the inside scoop on what happened. Kane was walking down the hallway eating a chocolate bar. Sharp was walking in the opposite direction eating peanut butter out of a jar. They both tripped at the same time and Kane is all “You got peanut butter on my chocolate” so Sharp punched him in the face.

  • Special Agent Dale Cooper

    Get a load of this crap:

    @TheHockeyChat: VAN – Canucks are focused on moving Kesler out. Will take a look at Dave Bolland if he becomes a UFA #NHL

    • I Remember The Roar!

      Glad someone could put a smile on my face!

    • The Nutbrown Hare

      Oh, I would LOVE to see Bolland and the Sedins skating on the same roster together.

      • High and Wide

        Already fantasizing about a highlights video set to Paula Abdul’s “Opposites Attract.”
        It would probably be pretty short.

        • The Nutbrown Hare

          Who plays MC Skat Kat?!?

          • theLOVEofHAWKEY

            Eddie Lack

  • High and Wide

    I remember looking at CapGeek early in the season and thinking that Sharp was probably not far off from getting moved out (though I didn’t think this close) but THAT DOESN’T MEAN I’M GOING TO ENJOY IT.

  • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure
    • AirTrafficAJ

      The best part of a pretty “meh” movie. Also exactly my reaction to Sharpie getting moved.

    • Andrew Heitman

      I loved this movie. But then again, I love movies people generally find mediocre.
      The Good Shepherd followed by Thin Red Line…

  • The Manager

    As Sam said many of us hear about rumors of Hawks players and other athletes from someone who knows someone, etc. Most of the time it’s pretty much crap. However I’ve heard back even before the Hawks won their first cup that the Shooter has “Fredo in Vegas” tendencies. Nothing really new about that and he’s not the only one. Honestly I think Sharp being available is more hockey related for the obvious reasons given. High paid good looking athletes are going to act like high paid good looking athletes off the ice/court/field/whatever, that really shouldn’t surprise anybody.

  • Brain Sprain

    Why do they have to leak stuff about his character? I thought that type of thing was over with this organizing.

    I would tell him you play 2C, period. No discussion. Otherwise give us a list of teams you will okay a trade to. I want him back. But whatever. It’s exhausting.

    • Oregon_hawk

      Leaks are not always intentional.

      • YoAdrienne

        Rumors are not always leaks.

      • Yachtsman

        Depends…

        • Brain Sprain

          I am wondering if these are leaks to” encourage” him to accept a trade as he has a no trade contact. It would not surprise me but I thought the front office changed. Stupid me.

          • Yachtsman

            I actually meant Depends are for those unintentional leaks…

    • Crash

      I don’t believe they are leaking this stuff. How would it be in their interest to damage a player they are trying to trade? That would be some bad business.

      • YoAdrienne

        From what I understand, these are nothing but unsubstantiated rumors from bloggers, at least one who is known for his inaccuracy. But, it was on the Internet, so it must be true. http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/images/smilies/th_sarcasm.gif

        • lizmcneill

          I guess said blogger got tired of smearing Kaner’s reputation.

      • Brain Sprain

        To get him to waive his no trade clause. I hope I am wrong.

  • lolambert

    Remember, dear readers, you heard it here first, off the record, on the Q.T. and very Hush-Hush.

  • I Remember The Roar!

    Reality is a sad bitch :(

  • AirTrafficAJ

    Whether any of this is true or not, I’m trying very hard to ignore it. It’s always tough when you find out that your favorite sports team members are, in fact, human beings with human frailties. Sometimes you are able to brush it off and say “man, I’d end up the exact same way if I had a billion dollars” (Kaner, Colin Kaepernick). Sometimes it goes a little further and you have to emotionally distance yourself from that player (Albert Belle, Darryl Strawberry). Then sometimes you find out that they killed a guy (Dany Heatley).

    In the end, if Sharpie does end up being moved, I’ll remember him for what he did on the ice and not off it.

    • OMFS88

      This is how I approach Taylor Swift’s music

      • AirTrafficAJ

        Perfect.

  • Couredelion1

    Let me start by saying that I don’t necessarily disagree with this post. Sharp dose appear to be an impending casualty of the Towes/Kane extensions. There are a few points that can be made as to why Sharp won’t be moved as early as friday.

    1. According to CapGeek Sharp has a modified NTC, which means at the very least he would have to be fully on board with any trade.
    2. It is possible to extend Towes and Kane without jettisoning Sharp, that already been demonstrated on this very blog. It also goes against Boweman’s very public statement that he didn’t want to break up a team that was within inches of making another trip to the Stanley Cup Final, but this could very
    3. If there are image or lockeroom issues, one would have to think that they would need to rather egregious to cut ties with a very popular player, who happens to be pretty darn good. I think any fan with a modicum of sense, understands that most of these players are not “great” people. So long as their actions aren’t splashed across every headline, the organization should be able to handle most issues internally
    4. Finally, trading Sharp at the first opportunity only makes Boweman’s handling of Versteeg/Bolig ext. become even more suspect, and I don’t think that’s an image the Hawks wan’t to give credence to. While it’s true that Morin/insertprospecthere might give you similar production, it’s not guaranteed. The Hawks are currently in possession of a steady 30 goal scorer who usually contributes quite a bit in the playoffs.
    The fact remains that there is plenty of time to trade Sharp. I would agree that unless the Cap goes up significantly in the next two years, that he will be traded. However, since Boweman likes deadline signings so much, why not start the season (let Sharp get through the convention/ winter classic to make the most of his popularity) before saying goodbye for a final playoff push?

    Apologies for the rant, but I can’t say enjoy all of the speculation. When the news that a player has been traded, that’s that. The only news source I would give credence too in these situations is in fact the good folks over right here.

    • Oregon_hawk

      The only thing I’d say about this is that Bowman has consistently shown that he is a long-term planner.

      The Soupy deal was a no brainer – he had an opportunity to offload a contract that was a massive albatross, so he pulled the trigger.

      Bowman may see the situation as an opportunity to sell the highest he can on Sharp.

      On the other hand, the single year remaining on the Kane and Toews’ deals gives him a one year window. If he can obtain another proven top-6 forward for a single year (or expect to ship them out after this year), he can load up the roster for one more go before having to clear a little space for the new deals to 19 and 88. So, that would go:

      ship Oduya
      ship Steeger

      keep sharp around
      get a top6 forward (center)

      go for a cup.

      ship sharp next year
      do not re-sign the new forward/trade him

      tuevo, sadd, morin et al., have yet 1 more year of maturity

      • Couredelion1

        Thanks for summing up exactly what I was trying to say. The one year remaining on the Kane and Towes contract is crucial. There is room to start the season with Johns as the only big question mark (assuming we acquire a serviceable 2C). A forwards corps with a secondary cast of Bolig/Versteeg/Bickell expected to contribute more than they already have is rather worrisome. At worst, the team struggles, and Sharp is packed off with one of the lesser performing prospects at the deadline. It seems a waste to ship Sharp a year to early unless the return is unquestionably in our favor. This should be strictly about the strength of the team if that is possible

  • Oregon_hawk

    Moving sharp and oduya makes for crazy flexibility. Assuming that Toews/Kane get raises to 9 each, that leaves about 6M/year (against this years cap, not even 15/16) available for shenanigans.

    Oduya, I don’t think, has too massive an impact on the defense. However, moving Sharp and replacing him with Morin nets -10 to -15 goals on the foward side of things. Also, I doubt guys like Nordstrom and Tuevo are really ready for steady 3rd and 2nd line minutes.

    If there’s ever an offseason in which the hawks really have the cap space to make an acquisition at center, it’s this one, I’d think.

    CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
    CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
    FORWARDS
    Jeremy Morin ($0.761m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
    Brandon Saad ($0.764m) / Teuvo Teravainen ($0.894m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
    Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Andrew Shaw ($2.000m) / Joakim Nordstrom ($0.617m)
    Brandon Bollig ($1.250m) / Marcus Kruger ($1.325m) / Ben Smith ($1.233m)
    DEFENSEMEN
    Niklas Hjalmarsson ($4.100m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
    Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Nick Leddy ($2.700m)
    Michal Rozsival ($2.200m) / Stephen Johns ($0.800m)
    David Rundblad ($0.785m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Corey Crawford ($6.000m)
    Antti Raanta ($1.574m)

    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,216,337; BONUSES: $980,000
    CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $10,883,663

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      You still need to resign Saad after next season. I know he’s an RFA, but do we really expect that NO ONE will tender a STUPID offer sheet if the Hawks don’t lock him up?

      • The Other One

        I expect the Hawks to lock him up shortly after the ink is dry on DDN’s contracts. I’m hoping for $3×3, or something like that. Don’t really want to see $4, or worse yet, $5…

  • Hockey

    Sharp rumors have definitely been around town. That’d be a silly reason to move him, no? Altercations with teammates on the other hand could be a bigger reason.

  • Jalamanta

    The picture makes it look like Hossa is going to knock Sharp out.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    We need cap space, We need to start turning over some of our older talent to younger prospects (kind of goes hand in hand with cap space), we need a 2C.

    Sharpie is at the peak of his tradeability. Makes sense.

    • Oldfarthawkfan

      Couldn’t have said it better myself

    • Jase Robertson

      Your stupid, Sharp is only 32, Kesler is 31… Kesler is a 20 goal scorer per year, Sharp has been around 35 goals EVERY year he’s been a hawk. SCREW the trade and sign Brian Boyle from free agency.

      • TitanTransistor

        Kesler is 29. He’ll be 30 at the beginning of the season.

        • wardrums

          I’ve thought Kane and Keeler play well together in the Olympics. But anyone who thinks there would be some huge skates to fill in Sharps absent is sadly mistake. Correct me if I:m wrong. Not was this the season Sharp started out snakebot as far as scoring and still ended up with 33?

          • wardrums

            Holy crap, automatic spell check discombobulated my thoughts

          • Andrew Kekelik

            There would be huge skates to fill. Where will the hawks find another 30 goal scorer in free agency? They sure as hell wouldn’t find one in a trade. You’ve gotta think, even with the addition of Kesler(which remember, Vancouver also wants either Saad or Teuvo) they still have to clear up cap space. Bickell would be the next ideal player to go since he only shows up in playoff time, which is nice, but I’d rather not pay somebody 4 mil to be a 3rd line player for most of the season. Remember they also signed Dennis Rasmussen, who came off of a nice year in the SHL. Of course it’s different from the NHL, but that kid could end up being a solid 2nd liner. Plus being 6’3″ and 205 lbs already makes him a better option then Teuvo at the current moment. To get to my point, this year isn’t the year to trade him. It’d be better to keep the top 5 forwards together this year and try to work a young gun into the 2C role, and wait until next year to trade him.

      • Joe DeTolve

        But they have a 4th line center and he is pretty awesome…

      • Oregon_hawk

        Keeping forwards past their prime is a good way to pay (in sharpy’s case) a guy 5.9 million a year to score 20-30 goals.

        If you can pay a guy like Morin a quarter of the price for 80-90% of the output, why wouldn’t you?

        There’s a good image from this on SBnation:

        http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/4128797/Points_aging_1_medium.png

        which basically shows that forwards tend to peak close to 25, retain 80-90% of their scoring until about 30-31, and then decline with increasing pace. Again, on average.

        9 years ago, Hossa scored 92 pts, followed by 100 pts (when he was 25 and 26).Now, he is 35:

        age 33: 29-48-77
        age 34 (extrapolated): 34-28-62
        age 35: 30-30-60

        Hossa’s peak season being 100 points makes the conversion to % of maximum points obvious. He is basically right on track, clipping along near 60% of his personal best.

        Sharp, being 32, needs to look 5-7 years ago for his peak.
        He scored 62 pts in 07/08, and 66 pts in 09/10. So, he’s actually increased his scoring as he’s aged through his 28-32 years.

        That’s not normal. Maybe it is his quality of teammates (as Kane/Toews mature, they get better), maybe he’s just a freak of nature in that way. The upshot is that a dropoff should be expected for sharp in the next three years. And historically for forwards, its better to use their mid-late 20s as the measuring stick rather than 32.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          I appreciate this argument, and I’ve heard it often. What I’d like to see, though, is a graph that isolates scorers. It seems obvious to me that if you include all NHL forwards this graph is going to show you your fairly drastic decline. But what about, say, players who’ve had–pick your number–four or more 20-goal seasons under their belt? Maybe something less to include a greater sample, maybe more. Dunno. But does this offensively-gifted tier show a decline in production that mirrors the league average?

          It’s entirely possible they do, but I have a feeling they don’t. And that’s important when you look at individual players in the 30-35 age range. Sure, they’re going to decline. But yeah, arguments that group them in with the Kevin Westgarths and John Maddens, etc., that seems sketchy.

          • Andrew Kekelik

            Also keep in mind, not counting last season, this was Sharp’s third consecutive 30 goal season(in a full 82 game season), and the fourth in his career. Sure he’s probably at his peak now, which is a good time to trade any player, but this year is not a good time to trade him. Next year would be the ideal year. He’d have one year left on his contract, he’d still have the ability to get a 30 goal season.

          • ToucanStubbs

            Yea but the more skaters you find a wat to excuse from the math, the less it truly represents anything significant. Okay, lets limit it to guys with minimum of 4 20goal seasons. And while we’re at it, they should have at least 1 30goal season. Oh and a certain shooting percentage. I mean, thats being extreme to make a point but we have to include every player to know if someone is an anomaly or the norm. If we limit the sample, we may find out Sharp is normal for that group but abnormal for the big picture. And if there is anything we know about anomalies, they trend towards the norm given enough time. If you want to make a case for a player to be something special, you have to include as much data as possible because the more you have, the less luck is a factor.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            My only point is that offensively talented players may in fact not decline in productivity at the same rate that the average NHL player does. If that’s the case, then maybe Sharp’s contract looks fine for all but the last year, say, instead of all but the last four. This is important.

            Sharp is an above average player, so maybe it’s important to look at data for above-average players. Or maybe just wingers, or forwards (does the data above include d-men?). Etc.

      • guesthouse

        My stupid?

      • M7

        Kessler is 29, no?

        I’m not sure which direction is best but I do realise that in the current NHL cap environment you can’t afford to let many players age-into-the-sunset if you want to keep your roster talented and fresh.

      • Jim

        What an ironic sentence. It would be “you’re stupid” you dumb ass.

  • HawkIPA

    This post makes a lot of sense to me. I had been doubting that Sharp was really “available,” but the points that (1) management isn’t making any effort to quiet the rumors, and (2) the upcoming cap and 2C situation, make this deal pretty likely.

    The move makes sense for both the short and long term. We’ll likely finally get that 2C, have money available to handle DDN and Saad, and start to clear up the logjam at forward giving young guys a chance to develop. I’m on board, depending on how all this unfolds.

  • Oregon_hawk

    Oh good:
    Mark Lazerus via twitter:

    Hearing the Canucks are wanting Brandon Saad or Teuvo Teravainenin any trade for Ryan Kesler.

    So, that’s not happening (i hope).

    • Andrew Heitman

      No Effing Way that happens. Stan B loves his 2011 draft class too much. TT has no real value except speculation.

    • wowwowweewoo

      I really don’t think there’s a single player in the NHL that I’d trade Saad for – maybe Nathan MacKinnon… but the Avs surely feel the same way about him that I feel about Saad. Saad will be a 40+ goal scorer – mark my words.

      • HawkIPA

        I don’t know about this. I’d trade him for Crosby.

        • wowwowweewoo

          OK, maybe Crosby, but they wouldn’t do that. You may even have to think twice about it though because of Crosby’s cap hit. You’d be a top heavy team and that’s been proven to be tougher to win championships with. So I still stand by my words. Saad is untouchable.

          • HawkIPA

            I agree that Saad is going to be a dominant player for years to come, and wouldn’t trade him under any reality-based scenario, but there are fantasy-land trades in which he’d be expendable.

          • wowwowweewoo

            Yea there are always going to be fantasy scenarios, I’m talking about real world considerations though. Hell I’d love to have Bobby Orr and some kind of Gretzky-Chara man baby…

          • Commit88

            Lol you wouldn’t trade Saad for Crosby? Are you high?? Hawks would win Cup upon Cup with both Crosby and Toews down the middle.

            PS – Hossa was scoring 30 goals in his 2nd nhl season. If Toews and Kane didn’t hit near 40 goals, I doubt Saad will either.

          • Nagelbett

            not if the bottom six had to resemble Pitt’s this year due to the cap space being eaten up by those two (and presumably Kane?)

          • Commit88

            Hmm, you’re probably right on this one. I did think after posting that maybe the cap would be an issue lol. I still think they could figure something out. Everyone wants to trade Seabs and Oduya anyways right? That is what…10M right there? Sharp as well….I think if anyone said you could get Crosby, most GMs out there would be salavating.

            If you made 2 or 3 of those moves, that might help. Moving Hossa would obviously help long term. Maybe nobody would want his contract, but I bet someone would take Marian Hossa if he was available for not much.

          • http://www.nosqldatabases.com Derek Stainer

            I don’t think Hossa is going anywhere because of his contract. His contract is subject to cap recapture and even if you trade him you are still on the hook for a percentage of the recapture penalty. So the Hawks are not going, or at least it’d be stupid, to let another organization have that control. He’ll play 2, 3, whatever number of years and then mysteriously have dizziness or a shoulder injury or something that lands him on LTIR ala Pronger

          • Commit88

            Lol I agree. I’m just saying in the same world that Sidney Crosby was traded for Brandon Saad today, maybe Hossa could also be moved

          • HawkIPA

            I could actually see Hossa finishing out his contract, retiring in a similar manner to Teemu. He’s in damn good shape at 35, and his cap hit becomes less and less of an issue as the years go by.

      • Oregon_hawk

        Kid looks like Hossa. Is there more that needs to be said?

        Teuvo is a maybe – he may never turn out to be anything. Saad actually has evidence for being the real deal.

    • The Nutbrown Hare

      If true, the Canucks can take this request and stick it.

    • High and Wide

      I mean, you might as well ASK to start out, right? Whether or not it involves the Hawks, it’ll be really interesting to see whatever Kesler deal does get done since the Canucks are in such a limited negotiating position.

      • HawkIPA

        Agreed. The strength of VAN’s negotiating position has been pretty exaggerated. Kesler simply doesn’t want to be there. Teams in that position rarely get a lot in return. Look at the Iginla trade as an extreme example.

        • ToucanStubbs

          Conversely, look at Martin St. Louis and NYR. He wanted out and they overpayed out the ass for him.

          • HawkIPA

            Deadline deals will do that to some teams. I don’t see Stan getting shaken down by Vancouver.

    • HawkIPA

      Saad and TT aren’t going anywhere. If we get Kesler, it will be because Kesler wants to come here, and VAN will accept something less than Saad or TT in order to keep an unhappy player out of the locker room.

    • Commit88

      LOL, If we traded Saad or TT for Ryan Kesler…. that would be extremely idiotic. There were rumors and I think Bowman even confirmed that before Saad was even in the NHL teams always wanted him. So therefore, Bowman could never do a deal.

  • OMFS88

    Who wins in an off-ice altercation between Sharp and Kane? I’m going with Sharp by decision.

  • Hockey

    So if someone hadn’t of fought Sharp, Sharp would’ve played better and we would have the Cup right now? REBUILD THE TEAM.

  • Jack Kresl

    If Sharp gets moved, it should reflect poorly on John McDonough. Marketing is a double edged sword – it can be used to create attachment to a particular player. Unfortunately, that same attachment can lead to a lot of backlash when a popular player is traded. I know that Sharp is many non-hockey fan’s favorite player (e.g. women between the ages of 18-45). They won’t take a trade very well and the sponsors won’t either.

    • Oldfarthawkfan

      Sharp gets moved because he is 32 and his trade value will not get any higher. Also have to make room for the talent coming up, otherwise we go from one of the youngest teams in the league to old, and being stuck with contracts we cannot move.

      • Andrew Kekelik

        But the thing is, do we have the proven talent to replace Sharp right now? MAYBE Morin, but from the way they’re talking, he’s on his way out too. To me, it makes more sense to move out bottom 6 guys like Bickell and Versteeg then to move out top 6 guys like Sharp. At least for right now.

    • Oregon_hawk

      Can market all you wish – the team needs to win.

      No one wants to pay to see a losing team – success brings ticket sales, and that has to be kept right at the top of the priorities.

      There are legit hockey reasons to move sharp. Being able to head off a potentially ugly situation is a bonus.

    • HawkIPA

      I don’t think this has any effect on McDonough. Marketing will market its players as best it can regardless. If Sharp is moved, it’ll be analyzed from a hockey perspective, as it should be.

  • Nagelbett

    Seems like focus is all on Kesler or Thornton, but what do you suppose Avs would want for OReilly? Would TT become expendable if you could bring in an established 2C who also has more size and might be a better fit on a line with 88? Would need to move some other pieces to clear up cap space, but Avs have plenty of that and are pretty much stacked at center as is (but might have a use for Oduya).

    • Andrew Heitman

      TT is 19- would you trade one 2C for 3 years for a potential 5-6 year 2c in 2 years?

      • Nagelbett

        You mean would I consider trading a 19yo prospect with a lot of potential for a 23yo two way center with almost 200pts in the NHL? Yes. I would consider that.

        • Andrew Heitman

          Meant Kesler not OReilly.

          • Nagelbett

            ahh, in that case, no chance. I don’t see a Kesler deal working out unless it takes the form of a massive salary dump for the Hawks with maybe a McNeil or Danault thrown in. But for ROR, maybe the hawks consider paying more (still think Saad is off-limits though).

      • ToucanStubbs

        The thing is, TT is still unproven. He’s gamble as much as we might want to pretend otherwise. If we could trade him for RoR, we should do it. Its a guy who is already NHL ready, fits well with the team, and we already know is asking for money equal only about .5 more than Sharp. I would say its the more conservative option but overall probably better than hoping TT can be as good as RoR.

        • wardrums

          That unproven part is so true.

    • http://www.nosqldatabases.com Derek Stainer

      Here’s the thing with TT and why he won’t be traded (IMO). He’s extremely talented, cheap and controlled for at least the next, I think, 5 years (3 entry level deal, 2 for RFA status). When the Kane/Toews contracts kick in they are going to be expensive and cheap good talent will be ultra important to the Hawks at that point for depth

      • Nagelbett

        I don’t disagree. But if you ship sharp out and bring in a legit 2C for about the same money, it seems to me you’ve improved the team and you still have room for cheap good talent (which the hawks would still have) to come in and contribute in a bottom-six/depth role.

  • http://www.armdancermedicalcenter.com Arm Dancer

    I’m all for trading the SharpShooter due to his age, contract and the fact that youngsters like Saader can fill his role. But regarding these rumors, I call shenanigans. Somehow Sharp went, according to the team narrative, to a team leader and one of the better guys in the room, to a lockerroom cancer who wanted to punch out Kaner? I call horsesh1t. Is Sharpie stepping out on his wife? Possibly, but why would the guys in the room care, unless this is another Amonte/JR situation and Sharpie is JR in this scenario.

    • Brain Sprain

      I think this whole thing about Sharp being a bad teammate is one of two things, complete BS or the organization trying to encourage him to waive his no trade by threatening him with these smears against his character. Personally, I think out is total BS. Sharp has been part of the foundation that brought two cups. Let us not forget that.

      • Andrew Kekelik

        I’ve got the same feeling as you. It doesn’t make sense. If it were true, I doubt Bowman AND Sharp’s agent would come out and say that there aren’t plans to move him. If Sharp really had gotten into it with somebody, he probably would want to leave. At least that’s my guess

  • TitanTransistor

    Yeesh. Gaborik resigns with LA at 4.85 for 7 years. No cap recapture if he retires early. Plus, no no-trade or no-movement clauses in the deal. Cheap and flexible. That’s… irritating.

    • jhb

      Also, very breakable. Gaborik, I mean.

    • Commit88

      That’s a really good deal it seems like. Good for them

    • The Other One

      I think that something like this makes the Cap Recapture Clause total bullshit. There’s not much difference here from this deal and Hossa’s (and remember the league blessed the Hossa deal when it was signed)

      • High and Wide

        I really hate that rule (and not just because I’m a fan of a team with Marian Hossa). I think it’s ridiculous to retroactively punish teams for intelligently working within the rules, plus it’s excessively punitive. (I would have had no problem with preventing or punishing those types of deals going forward, because teams would know what they were getting into/be taking calculated risks.)

        • YoAdrienne

          The worst part about it is that the league signed off on those contracts. When the Hawks signed Hossa, they had no problem with how it was done. Now, they’ve turned around to punish what THEY APPROVED OF. It’s ridiculous.

  • http://www.nosqldatabases.com Derek Stainer

    Slightly off topic, all the talk has been about Oduya being dealt yet no one has really thought of sending Rozi off. Still get’s you some cap relief (not as much admittedly).

    • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure

      Roszival has a full no movement clause.

      • http://www.nosqldatabases.com Derek Stainer

        Well that’s a damn good reason. Well I’m not gonna lie got the idea from the Hockeenight podcast the other day. Based off the NMC he’d have to be convinced to go. That being said who wants to be somewhere where they are not wanted. Especially if he’s going to be essentially platooned at the 7th d spot

      • Nagelbett

        Capgeek indicates modified NTC for Rozi for 2014-15

    • Oldfarthawkfan

      If Oduya is dumped, and Brookbank not signed, if you move Rozi, your 5th and 6th defenseman are very green whomever they chose (Dahlbeg, Clendening, Rundblad, Johns), etc. etc. plus hoping that Leddy makes it as a top 4), and the consensus on here is that Seabrook sucks, I don’t think rozi is going anywhere.

    • The Other One

      I think that Oduya ends up getting resigned along the lines of $3MM X 3– just a hunch that we see another Swedish discount.

      • flahawkfan

        I dunno. He has another year left on his current deal and IMO if he doesn’t get dealt this summer, no way the Hawks re-sign him for anything close to $3MM per, or for more than one or two years.

  • cliffkoroll

    1. I don’t think the Hawks should trade Sharp.
    2. I don’t think the Hawks will trade Sharp.

  • Oldfarthawkfan

    If Spezza goes to St. Louis as rumored, StanBo will be desperate to get a
    second line center. He will need to free up cap room, even if he goes
    the free agent route. Who goes? Sharp? Leddy? Oduya? don’t see them trading anyone else that has a contract big enough to free up space after extending Toews and Kane. Reality of the salary cap. Amazing how Lonbardi from the Kings is able to manage and get everyone signed, of course next year for him is going to be a bitch with all his RFA’s and UFA’s to be signed (Williams, Martinez, Muzzin, Tifoli and Pearson to name a few)

    • Andrew Kekelik

      Well, they did manage to get Gaborik back for a complete steal. He took a 3 mil paycut AFTER winning the cup. However you are correct. 10 players to re-sign next year, and I believe they still have 3 more to sign this year.

  • John Schelling

    If Kane & Toews get greedy with salary? the Hawks will turn into another Pittsburgh! & will not see another cup for at least 2 decades. You’ve heard that here first!

    • Oldfarthawkfan

      My bets are they sign for what will be perceived as a home town discount. The marketability of the two is way higher here than anywhere else. Winnepeg and Buffalo might dream of them wanting to play at home, but I am sure they realize it would be in obscurity as far as endorsements are concerned.

    • Hawkeytalk

      They want to win. They know big $$ means they can’t get the players that are more than just “guys”. So they will not be outlandish.

    • Stockroom Snail

      Exclamation points are slightly more convincing than all caps.

  • YoAdrienne

    FWIW, Sharpy’s agent says he isn’t going anywhere:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blackhawks/post/_/id/4683804/second-line-center-trade-tricky-for-hawks#more

    Saad and TT not going anywhere, either, apparently.

    • Oldfarthawkfan

      Someone is going somewhere, and I do not think it will be Bollig

      • YoAdrienne

        Yeah, lots of people going lots of places. It just doesn’t sound like Sharp is going to be one of them. We’ll be finding out soon enough who goes.

  • Bannerman

    Reasons to trade Sharp:
    1. to get max value in return
    2. free up space to get a 2C/ pay DDN
    3. added incentive to get captain stairwell to sign
    4. Keeps the D corps relatively intact

    5,666,774,000 some crap about off the ice stuff

  • Slain

    Interesting article from Powers. Does anyone else think Sharp’s agent may just be blowing steam?

  • Pilotefan

    Enough steam for a Montreal hot dog. Don’t want Kesler, injury prone and a rep as a douche. Prefer to see someone who can win face-offs and dish. Kesler can’t dish, it isn’t in his vocabulary.
    How about a nice 1-3 mildo face-off guy in exchange for Sharp and some d-man buried in the minors. To balance a bit of the cash hit to our trading partner we take a vet goalie or an ageing d-man with a snotty attitude. I’d throw Bollig in too.

  • Andrew Kekelik

    Trading Sharp now doesn’t make sense. You’ve gotta think about how hard it’s going to be to replace him. Sure they could pull in Morin, but for one, it almost seems as if he’s on the chopping block from what I’ve heard, and he hasn’t played a full season yet. Is he capable of scoring quite a bit? I could see it. But if the hawks are to get Kesler with Sharp, Morin is a likely addition to that trade. Which might I add, would not be a beneficial cap clearing trade considering Kesler makes like 5.6 per year. There is also the possibility of Ryan Hartman, but for a team looking to(hopefully) go right back into the winner’s circle, is this really the BEST move they could make right now? Plus keep in mind, no matter how many “sources” they claim to have heard from about Sharp’s apparent off-ice antics, take that with a grain of salt. Might be nothing more than just people trying to stir up some controversy. There is no proof whatsoever that anything happened.

  • jack

    Show some class you moron. If you can’t be specific about someone’s off ice / family man image…don’t fall into sports radio hell and report just to report it. But then again, you did start out at the score…go figure. Shame on you for bringing someones personal life into this article when its false and you can’t back it up.

    • Boob

      Easy, he went on to say that he doesn’t know if any of it is true. So, he’s not reporting just to report, but reporting it because those are the things being said by many people, some of whom being in “the know”.

      Also, how do you know any of what he is saying is false? Can you provide proof that the rumors about Sharp aren’t true?

      • jack

        We he can provide proof its true, then the truth will come out. Therefore, a good journalist keeps his mouth shut until he confirms it…and doesnt speculate on it because he heard it from some drunk pissing in an alley. dont talk about someones family life when you cant confirm it. like I said…he started at the score and he has no sources. almost like the 2 morons on at 1-6 daily.