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Draft Day Fallout

Well, Stage 1 of this week’s offseason circus is now in the books. What are we left with?

The big news is obviously the trades of Dave Bolland and Michael Frolik for five picks. Bolland comes as no shock. He’d become to expensive for the role he had, and there are many options as replacements. Frolik was a bit of a surprise, just because it felt like he would have slotted perfectly into Viktor Stalberg’s role on the 3rd line. But again, a $2.2 million 4th liner is not a luxury you can afford for long. Frolik has been an underrated asset, sometimes criminally so, as he’s always driven possession no matter what role he was asked to play. And he’s been asked to play a lot of them in his time here.

All of this allowed the Hawks to re-sign Bryan Bickell for four years at $4m per. It’s a high number, I really wanted him at closer to 3. But considering what might have been thrown at him on the open market, that was probably a pipe dream.

What makes the difference is that there’s no one immediately ready to take that 3rd line size role, or even sizable winger role. I hear the name Jimmy Hayes a lot from people. But Hayes is being shifted to center at Rockford specifically because he hasn’t shown any willingness to be a physical winger. Essentially, Hayes wanted to be what Bickell once was, a floating, big sniper, and without Bicks’s defensive awareness. After Hayes, there just isn’t a lot in the system that can do it.

What I hope for is that no one is going to lose their minds when Bickell immediately doesn’t pour in 25 goals. Though he finished the year on the top line, let’s be honest and say that’s not what he is at all. He’s a third liner, maybe maxes out at a 2nd. I assume they’ll start him on the top line again next year, and probably swap him with Saad. But Bicks most likely is just going to be what he was for most of this year, a kick ass checking winger who chips in with goals here and there. And though that might not seem to justify the price tag, that’d be all right with me. But I do hope he continues to grow his game and becomes a true power forward. I’m just not banking on it.

So where are the holes now? It’s hard to say that they have a hole at 3rd and 4th center without Bolland when Kruger and Shaw are to return (likely in Kruger’s case), as well as any possible cheap, veteran signing (Boyd Gordon Boyd Gordon Boyd Gordon). Quite simply, the Hawks are more than prepared to move on with Fabulous Weapon (I’m actually quite excited to see how Kruger’s game grows from here).

Frolik’s absence is a little harder to fill. Ben Smith is obviously the first name you come up with to play on the 4th line — and could even center it as he was a decent face off guy in Rockford. Smith doesn’t have Fro’s speed, though he isn’t a plodder. He might even be a little more physical than Fro, however no one should doubt Frolik’s determination to get engaged even though he wasn’t the biggest guy. Smith can also kill penalties, and has a similar IQ to Frolik, and a lot of Kruger’s and Fro’s success on the kill came from between the ears. It’ll be something of a drop off, but not a huge one.

Jeremy Morin is another, and he’s added some grit to his game where you could see him on the 4th line for a time. That’s where he was in his brief stint up this past season. But his biggest asset is his nose for the net, so you feel like he needs to be higher up in the lineup. But with Bicks back, the left side has Saad, Sharp, and Bicks, and the right side has Hossa and Kane. Maybe Morin just has to settle.

The wildcard here is Phillip Danault. I’m sure the Hawks want him to spend the whole year at Rockford, and that would be best. But Danault does have a 4th line winger/energy aspect to his game, and if he tears it up for half a season in the A he could come up for air. Same could be said for Mark McNeill, I suppose. Or maybe even Garrett Ross?

As for the picks themselves, Ryan Hartman is an interesting pick in that much like a catcher in baseball, pests always seem to find a home in the NHL. It’ll take a while, but he’s got a part to his game that GMs and coaches love. However, as a 1st round pick – even as the last one — he’s got to have some offensive juice to justify that status. Going to take time with that.

Hawks went only down the middle and on the blue line from there, and some size. Carl Dahlstrom is intriguing, as the Hawks are very short on big d-men in the system behind Dylan Olsen (with Stephen Johns looking for all the world like he’s going to pull a Justin Schultz act and not be here). We’ll just have to see about the rest.

Farewell, Fabulous Weapon

This is the first time we’ve had to say goodbye to a member of the core, or at least one that was once considered part of it. Though it makes total sense and everyone saw it coming, there’s still a pang of sadness to see Dave Bolland go.

As you longtime readers know, there’s been no bigger fan of Bolland than me. During that first, torturous year out of the first lockout this century, it was Bolland’s numbers at London that kept me believing (I didn’t know back then that everyone put up numbers at London then).

From the moment he arrived here in Chicago, you could see a guy with a pretty stiff hockey IQ and pretty unpleasant to play against. But the thing with Bolls is that he always seemed capable of more. The 20-goal seasons I was sure were coming never arrived. A somewhat slick power play point-man never materialized, even though he was the best on the team at making plays from the goal line when he rotated down there. He had more vision than he showed. He had a bigger shot than he showed.

But of course he always saved it for when it counted. He drove the Sedins nuts. Or did he benefit from Seabrook and Keith nullifying them? He was close to dominant throughout all of the 2010′s run, and came up with huge goals against San Jose and Philadelphia when Toews stopped scoring. He was the inspiration for the near miracle comeback against Vancouver the next year. He was actually pretty damn good against Phoenix too, as he and Frolik were just about everywhere. And though this spring he slipped, he still had his moments — setting up the winner against Scum was first. The Cup winner next. And at least because of that, anyone who has a Bolland jersey can be comforted by it now being timeless.

But mostly, Bolland was just a lot of fun to have around. He was weird, at times scary, at times disappointing, but he was rarely boring. But he provided so many moments we’ll remember for a long time. He seems genuinely excited to go home and play for the Leafs, and I’m happy for him. It feels like a good transition for both sides.

It’s been a blast Dave, thanks for everything.

  • Brandon Peacy

    Amen and amen. You captured Bolly’s time here perfectly. I got my white Bolly specifically because he drove the Sedins nuts. I love ANYONE who can do that. Best of luck to the Rat as he heads home – hopefully he’ll finally get Marchand to flinch one of these days.

    • lizmcneill

      Hope he transferred his pest secrets to Grasshopper, I mean lil Mutt, before he went. Fewer dirty elbows, more making people duck by looking at them funny, Shawzer.

    • http://twitter.com/Bobby_Otter Bobby Otter

      I’ll add to the amens… you’ll be missed Bolland.

    • Waylon

      no, Shaw already made Marchand flinch. Marchand was asked why he had a huge scratch across his face during the finals, and he said that a “kitty cat” got into a fight with him. He was referring directly to Shaw, and he didn’t try too much of his patented shit act after the first game.

      • 10thMountainFire

        He got his ass kicked by that ‘kitty cat’…

  • Jim

    Don’t forget Bolland’s big hit on Richards in the first game of the LA series.

    I think he’s happy to be a Leaf, and now my new favorite team in the East is Toronto, I’ll be rooting for them, they almost beat Boston in the playoffs so they should be pretty good this year.

  • Mosy9

    im glad to hear youre ok with the bickell contract, i think theres no doubt he would have got more if he signed else where. His size and skills are hard to come by and thats worth something in my eyes, especially when the cap rises after this next season

  • Gozer the Traveler
    • MattC86

      God that was amazing.

    • Waylon

      and Hamhock richly deserved that hit, after trying to take Bolland’s head off along the boards the first game he came back after a concussion.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I love how Bolly celebrated more after he hit someone than after he put one in the net.

      • Kevin

        You can’t measure Bolland on stats. With Bolly it’s all about the intangibles.

        He was the greatest Hawk that ever lived. The greatest Hawk there ever will be.

        • Accipiter

          Keenan.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Farewell and a 21 ax salute to Fabulous Rat Weapon, Dave Bolland, a true Barbarian’s 3C.

    Bicks not a top line power forward? Well, not on his own, certainly, but out him out there with DDN and he out Buff’d Bigg Buff.

    I’m not happy with the money Bicks got, but neither am I ready to strangle a kitten. That will come when / if I hear that we had to let Leddy go because we gave all the peanuts to Bicks.

    Given Stan’s history with RFA’s I’m a little nervous.

    • lizmcneill

      just hide them from the Sharks and we should be ok.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        The Sharks only have $3.5M in cap space and still need to re-sign 2 of their own RFA’s (one of whom is Tyler Kennedy, who isn’t really “theirs” but they traded for his rights so they’re damn sure not just letting him walk) and a backup goalie. Even if he wants to, Doug Wilson doesn’t have the cap space to go after Leddy or Kruger with an offer sheet like he did to Hjammer…

      • 10thMountainFire

        Doug Wilson can eat shit.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          that too

    • Black JEM

      On another thread a comment that if Bicks doesn’t put in 20 goals don’t worry right away. I don’t know – it seems to me he is being paid to play top line minutes and score. Hope it works out.

  • MySpoonIsTooBig

    Not long after the Cup win I told my wife that I expected the Rat to be traded. She was dismayed and said to me “oh no, you won’t be able to wear your Bolland jersey anymore!” I replied “No, he played 6 full seasons with the Blackhawks (if you count 2007-’08), was an integral member of the first 2 ‘Hawks championships of my lifetime, and scored the Cup-clinching goal for the most recent one. Regardless of where else he goes, I can always wear this sweater proudly.”

    • MattC86

      Feeling the same with my Bolly jersey.

      I watched a lot of first round games (Hawks games and non-Hawks games) at Penn Quarter Sports Tavern in DC, pretty much the closest thing we have here to a hockey bar. Always gave Caps fans a ton of shit, and in the midst of the ugly Game 7 loss to the Rags, one of them noted I have a 2010 Finals patch on the jersey and accused me of being a bandwagoner.

      The bartender (in his late ’90s Joe fucking Juneau jersey, which was pretty sweet) yells at the Caps fan, “He’s got a fucking Bolland jersey. Anybody wearing a Dave Bolland jersey is a true hardcore hockey fan.” And we proceeded to drown his sorrows in a series shots, all on the house.

      Fair winds and following seas, Davey B. I’ll miss the death stares, the terrifyingly-silent skates around the rink with the Cup, you driving Joe Thornton so nuts he slashed you on a faceoff in Game 2 of the 2010 WCF, and just the general mayhem. May you prey upon the Floreast division in much the same way.

      Just don’t go turning into a 20-goal 75-point guy, ok?

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        We have hockey bars in DC that show anything other than Caps games ever? I was not aware of that, I usually just watch hockey at home. My wife LOVES it when I yell at the TV

        • MattC86

          Penn Quarter Sports Tavern is it. After the first round, I only watched from home because my propensity to attack other viewers during Hawks games rose exponentially.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            I know Penn Quarter Sports Tavern, it’s not a bad spot. I generally just watch at home, booze is cheaper and there’s a decidedly lower chance of my getting into a fight. When I go to Caps games though it’s usually a fun time to go to the Green Turtle afterwards

          • MattC86

            Such a shithole, Green Turtle. I like heckling at PQST. But yes, it’s hard for me to go anywhere to watch Hawks games. Where in DC are you?

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Currently in Cleveland Park but moving to Arlington in mid-August. You?

          • MattC86

            Logan. I wish I knew this, would have been fun to have a Hawks co-watcher. Or postgame violence accomplice. Either way.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Yeah, totally. There’s always next season – Arlington is practically to DC what Evanston is to Chicago, plus I still work in the district

          • Andrew Heitman

            I am dying to find a place to watch Hawks games with at least one other Blackhawks fan. Just one thats not my wife.

          • MattC86

            Well let’s remember this shit and get together next fall. Won’t even make you all watch it at Nellie’s, I promise.

          • Andrew Heitman

            Nellies is supposedly good. Er, so Ive been told.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Well we’ve got 3 DC-based ‘Hawks fans right here, no reason we can’t get together at a bar for at least a handful of games next season.

          • Andrew Heitman

            In.

          • MattC86

            Definitely in.

          • MattC86

            Until they kick us out.

          • MattC86

            Meh not for watching games. Too crowded. Though you might get a free drink, you never know. . . .

          • Jamie Koch

            In as well. Live in McLean.

        • Andrew Heitman

          DC Reynolds will put on stuff if you arent a total dickface.

      • 07GreyDigger

        Don’t worry.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Joey Juneau? Was it ‘High Draft Busts’ commemorative night?

        • MattC86

          Hey man, a Joe Juneau jersey – especially this Joe Juneau jersey http://3.cdn.nhle.com/capitals/images/upload/2008/06/juneau2.jpg is fucking awesome, I don’t care how much of a bust he was.

          • MattC86

            Also in retrospect, looking at his career, not much of a bust, either.

          • JB

            Didnt he play for the ‘hawks for a short spell? 2005-ish I think…

          • JB

            Sorry… it was Peter Bondra 2006-07 I was thinking of

      • Andrew Heitman

        The irony of a Caps fan calling anyone a bandwagon fan is fucking hilarious. Watching hockey in DC used to be so civilized, tickets were cheap, you always got to watch the visitor win, and no one pretended to know shit about the sport…then they drafted Ovechkin.
        Dont get me wrong, I dont despise the Capitals, I actually pull for them in games that dont matter to me- but Capitals fucks are fucking intolerable.

        • zacked

          You could still get $10 tickets well after Ovechkin. 2009-10 ruined everything.

          • Andrew Heitman

            After Ovie’s first year, they started selling tickets. While 10$ seats were sold, they were sold very fast. I used to sit in the lower bowl for 40$…..alone in my row.

          • zacked

            Right, I mean it was a gradual process over a number of years starting with Ovechkin’s draft. But it was still manageable until that season. Can you even get a top-row, corner seat for $40 anymore? I lived in DC for 8 years, but left this winter.

          • Andrew Heitman

            Doubtful…unless its college night or something. I think we will see them drift back into irrelevance with the realignment. No more being the best of the worst in the south east.

      • ‘hawks58

        Well, being that he is going to the conference where defense goes to die, he’ll probably end up putting numbers close to that…not like it means he’s made any improvement offensively

    • zacked

      If he played “full seasons”, he’d still be a Blackhawk, sadly.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Too soon

      • Kevin

        Yeah. I feel bad about it. I’m really depressed with this whole thing of Bolland never being there again.

    • Kevin

      I don’t have a 36 jersey, yet he’s my all-time favorite Blackhawk. I never had a Hossa jersey, so go figure. I did buy a Kaner jersey, though.

      • Accipiter

        I have a Keenan jersey.

  • lizmcneill

    So…if a guy who you are saying is a 3rd line winger is worth 4M….wtf are Toews and Kane going to get next contract?

    I have a feeling that a couple of hours into free agent frenzy, a lot of GMs are simply going to be out of cap space, and a lot of depth players are looking at cheap contracts or unemployment. Could we pick up a bargain?

    • AMR

      I would think they will be wroth something like Crosby’s contract which is just 2.5 million more than what they make now. At the most Malkin’s contract which is 9.5 mill and that is 3.2 mill more than what they make now

      • amontesawesome

        Crosby was still an RFA when he signed his 8.7 deal.

      • Accipiter

        I’m hoping 19 and 88 get Datsyuk type money or slightly more, plus more term.

    • MattC86

      I think both of them will take discounts to stay together. Not major ones, but I can see both of them getting 8 or something along those lines.

      • lizmcneill

        we thought Bicks would take a hometown discount too, that worked out well. Stan should sign them the minute they are eligible, before their value goes up another million apiece.

        • MattC86

          I think you’re overreacting a touch. But yes, BIckell did take less than some glue-huffing moron GM (Feaster?) would have given him on the open UFA market. Toews and Kane will be locked up. I’m more worried about price hikes around Crawford and Hjalmarsson for next year right now. As well as a Leddy RFA offersheet.

          • 334Rules

            This. Plenty of GMs with the cap space and glaring needs for a guy like Bickell; on a handful of teams he would without question be a top-line guy. He’s a 3rd liner on the Hawks, but only because of how tremendously tremendous our top two lines are.

          • Black JEM

            He is going to have to be able to play top line something. I assume you figure Saad back up with Toews/Kane or Hossa.

          • 334Rules

            Sorry I was confusing. I was responding to lizmcneill, who dubbed him a 3rd liner – which is what he’s mostly been for the Hawks. I do think we’ll see him mostly on 1 or 2 going forward. Kind of silly to speculate on what lines are going to look like right now, before we’ve seen what transpires in free agency and who steps up from the Rock during camp.

          • Black JEM

            Got it – and yes, you are right. I do feel like we are in better shape this year with a chance to do damage late into the playoffs compared to 2010. But it is such a grind – and this series was really brutal. Gonna be tough to do.

    • Why

      Who knows. I’ll put it to you this way. If you look at capgeek’s list there are 35 guys ahead of Toews in terms of cap hits. If the Hawks were to make a trade tomorrow, there is not a single player they would trade Toews straight up for. He’s worth the max. Anything less than the max is a discount.

  • detroit must die

    Fare thee Well Dave Bolland. Long may ye troll SCUM

    • VerStig

      Secret Weapon.

  • AirTrafficAJ

    NO WIZ NO WINS

    Oh wait…

    • AirTrafficAJ

      How about:

      NO FRO NO BO WE BLO

  • ds

    Did you completly forget about pirri?

    • mazer_rackham

      Pirri and Leblanc should be battling it out for 2C IMO.

      • laaarmer

        I’m pretty sure LeBlanc doesn’t make the team.

        • mazer_rackham

          Very small sample size, but I thought he looked better than Hayes and Morin and he’s a natural center

          • laaarmer

            He is better than Hayes. I don’t know/have not seen/don’t remember enough of Morin.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I thought LeBlanc looked really good during his tryout, minus his first shift and minus his speed.

          • laaarmer

            I didn’t because of his 1st shift and his rate of movement. What do I know? I think Pirri is not the answer too.

          • mazer_rackham

            Who do you see as our centers next year? We really just have Toews and Kruger unless we bring back Zus.

          • laaarmer

            Toews
            Guy/Pirri
            Kruger/Pirri
            Shaw/Smith/Pirri

          • amontesawesome

            I love Guy Pierie’s show on the food network.

          • Accipiter

            The show is good, but Guy on the other hand is not.

          • Oregon_hawk

            uhhhhhh

  • Gabble Ratchet

    My favorite Bolland moment (outside of gametime) was during a between periods interview during an ’09 (I think) playoff game against Vancouver, when Bolly said the Hawks were trying to get traffic in front of Luongo in order to “disgruntle him.”

    • zacked

      I was always a big fan of moving broken sticks into the passing lanes on the PK.

  • Waylon

    I remember Bolland making a number of key plays for us this run – hammering the DET player into the boards to spring Seabs for the OT winner, throwing a tremendous hip/back check to sideline Richards for the rest of the series vs. LA, and the empty – netter in game 5 in the finals (not even going to mention the obvious one here). Hard to replace that kind of situational awareness. Fro also put the hurt on Bergeron big – time into the boards, and played his ass off in all other regards. That penalty shot was also a thing of beauty, Howard never had a chance, and then promptly lost his shit against the refs directly afterward.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I also remember him taking a blatant, disgusting elbow to the head in LA with no call from the goddamn officials.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Yeah, but it’s not exactly as if that was out of the ordinary this playoff season *cough* Boychuck *cough*

        • 10thMountainFire

          Boychuck can eat an entire bowl of shit for all I care.

          He just can’t eat it out of the Stanley Cup. Because that shithead lost.

  • chichicagochi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0-miKbtwSk

    Things like this are what I will miss most about The Greyhound.

  • http://twitter.com/Bobby_Otter Bobby Otter

    I am not a fan of the Bickell contract (and similar to the TJ Oshie deal). I know he was probably going to get that in the open market, but in this cap era I don’t know, doesn’t seem like a four year deal at $4m per is all that great for a third line guy who went nuts in the playoffs. What would he have gotten prior to the playoffs? Maybe three years, $8m? It’s not the worst contract by any means, but I’m not sure it’s money well spent. Of course, if he goes off and plays great on the first line, I take all of this back.

    • 334Rules

      He’s really the only big buy we have to battle in front of the net and consistently win those battles. There might be some hope for one or two ‘Hogs, but there’s little certainty of that. Would have been nice to get him for a bit less, but I think there’s still upside to Bicks’ game, and legit power forwards are rare and generally cost a fair bit north of $4M per. There’s always a risk with guys who seem right on the verge of being significantly better – will they actually make the jump and stay at that level? However, the Hawks brass has certainly had a close up view and seem to think the payoff will be at least equal to the out-lay.

      • Kevin

        That’s true.

  • 07GreyDigger

    It seems to be that Stan Bowman understands the meaning of the phrase, “sell high.” Way to go Stan. Now work on those public speeches. He was terrible at the parade.

  • JesusMarianHossa

    Other than Slak, I might be the only guy that will miss Frolik more than Bolland.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Losing Fro is definitely not a good thing. But as Sam wrote, while Frolik is certainly an incredible asset (specifically for possession and his versatility on several lines) we can find a replacement for less than $2.2.

      • VerStig

        As for his PK skills… honest question — was his success on the PK mostly because of him, or mostly because of the system?

        • 10thMountainFire

          That’s a good and valid question.

          Honest answer: not sure.

        • Accipiter

          67 and 16 killed penalties down in Rockford together (during the lockout), so I think they got some practice. The system has something to do with it as well.

          • Korab22

            Fro Fro never played in the A.

          • Accipiter

            Correct. He played in Europe. Who was is that played in the A during the lockout that got more PK experience ?

          • mad-hatter

            Shaw? Leddy? Pirri wanted some PK time this year as well.

        • amontesawesome

          I don’t think there’s any denying the entire team got pretty lucky when it came to the PK this season. The percentage was great but the SA/60 number was pretty pedestrian. They benefitted from the league’s third highest PK sv% (.898).

          Frolik, in particular, was lucky as he lead saw an on ice save percentage of .911.

  • DaveM36

    I think the first of my many favorite Bolland moments goes all the way back to that Vancouver series in 2009, one year before the Cup came home. Game 5 was tied up late in the third, and I was watching the game on VHS delay (because it was 2009 and broke college students couldn’t afford a DVR). I’d just gotten back from the bar after drinking goodbye to a bunch of friends who’d graduated earlier that day.

    Anyway, Hawks get a late power play, Kaner fired a sweet pass through the Vancouver PK box, and Bolland rifled it past Luongo. Hawks hung on to win that game, came home with a 3-2 lead, and then Black Magic sent the Canucks packing two days later.

    So long, Bolland. Troll the fuck out of Boston and Scum next season.

    • cliffkoroll

      If I may pile on- game 2 from the same series. Keith hits Bolland on a 70-foot pass. Dave catches it out of the air and drops it to his stick, then walks in for a shorty on Lu. Hawks take their first lead of the series. On the play, you could hear the first few Vancouver vertebrae pop.

      • 1benmenno

        That shortie was a thing of beauty. Will have to search on youtube for it now.

        • DaveM36

          Had issues finding these highlights on YouTube, but the Hawks’ official site can show link you to the full game highlights with any of the above goals in them

          Just select the 08-09 season from the dropdown menu and pick the game you want: http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?season=20122013&gameType=3

          • 1benmenno

            Awesome. Thanks.

          • DaveM36

            I actually had some of those games downloaded on an external HD of mine, but the damn thing crashed a few years back and I lost them forever. Sad day.

      • DaveM36

        Everyone of his shorthanded goals in the postseason were beauties.

  • roadhog

    Maybe because it’s still fresh in my mind, the Nyquist hit in Game 7 which sprung Seabs for the winner. Thanks for being there when it really counted Dave!!!

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Dave Bolland as a Leaf: Our parting gift to the Detroit Red Wings.

  • 10thMountainFire

    I am also very excited about the opportunity for Frogger. I have been a fan of his since he arrived and I’m hopeful that, while he may lack the Bolland snarl Sam and Hack have pointed out, he will be an above-average contributor.

    • mad-hatter

      Me too, I think he can fill in great. But if anyone’s expecting him to replicate exactly what Bolland can do, they’ll be disappointed. Not sure that will be entirely replaced by anyone.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    For everyone upset with Stan for the Bickel contract (myself included).

    Let’s give StanBo a little slack. Maybe he fucked up with this contract, but even if he has, he’s had relatively few fuck ups in his tenure. How many times have I raised an eyebrow (You gave Crow, Oduya, etc HOW MUCH) only to have it work out, and in some cases leave Stan looking like a genius.

    So I’ll take five, and even if this turns out to be a disaster of old testament proportions, I’ll try to bear in mind that after the great cap purge of ’10, (when we were saddled with 12 MM between Huet and Campbell alone), I thought it would take a LOT longer for us to get back to The Cup than has turned out to be the case.

    • roadhog

      I’m optimistic on Bicks. $4M a year doesn’t feel like a hometown discount, but UFA signings will give us a better feel. It’s on Bicks to earn it now, just like it was for Bolland.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        This. I have a feeling that anyone who thinks that the ‘Hawks did not receive any sort hometown discount from Bicks and/or overpaid for him will be singing a slightly different tune within 24 hours of free agency opening up.

        • birdhead

          The Hawks almost definitely got a hometown discount on Bicks but if it was Bicks at $4m or keeping Fro around – and that really seems to be what it was – I’d rather have kept Fro. I understand that conventional wisdom is that I’m nuts and I hope that’s the case. But I worry that what he did for the entire length of last year is more repeatable than what Bicks did in the playoffs (which is what he’s getting paid for) and less easily replaced – not that scoring acumen is easily replaced; but the Hawks have a lot of players who can score, and I’m not sure they have a lot of players who can not just be good on the PK, but can be so good that the Hawks’ top-line penalty killers (Toews and Hossa) averages a full minute less of short-handed ice time per game while still having a nails PK. Maybe I’m wrong and n00by and that’s a really super normal thing to do and resource to have, but. I’m going to miss him.

          • 1benmenno

            Aye, me too.

          • ‘hawks58

            My immediate reaction was the same as yours, but after thinking on it a little, I can see StanBow’s reasoning.

            An average sized, quick player with okay offensive skills and an unquenchable desire to succeed in a bottom 6 role are always going to be FAR cheaper than a huge fucking guy who is physical and scores goals.

            I hate to see Fro go and I’ve never been a huge Bickell fan, but after the last 4 years I have to defer to Bowman and the front office.

            What would be interesting is if Frolik becomes a UFA in the near future. Would the ‘hawks bring him back if the contract was cheaper? Would he want to come back?

          • birdhead

            An average sized, quick player with okay offensive skills and an unquenchable desire to succeed in a bottom 6 role are always going to be FAR cheaper than a huge fucking guy who is physical and scores goals.

            Saad’s going to outplay Bicks for the top 6 spot and we’re going to have chosen a bottom-6 guy who gets $4m per and doesn’t kill penalties over a bottom-6 guy who gets $2.3m per and gives the top 6 a rest.

            She said, spectacularly pessimistically. I mean, I agree with you about trusting Bowman, I do, but, ugh. Fro. :( Maybe Saad turns into Fro (although I think that would be a huge waste). Maybe they finally put Sharpy back to 2C and Bicks and Saad are the top two LW. Arrrrrgh.

          • Accipiter

            Saad can stick-handle and pick corners, no way he turns into Fro.
            I loved that goofy bastard.

          • birdhead

            haha.

            … me too. :( his inability to score was really gonna deflate his value when the Hawks needed to re-sign him!

          • ‘hawks58

            Really, the worst case scenario (other than catastrophic injury) is that Bickell continues being Bickell (12 G, 35 P) and two years down the road Bowman moves him for multiple picks because there are multiple GMs out there who are always willing to overpay for a big guy with some hands and flashes of brilliance.

            I’m definitely a card-carrying member of the Michael Frolik fanclub, and I hate losing him more than Bolland, but I still think it’s probably the smart move to keep Bickell over him. You’re never going to get more for him than Stan just got, and it is unlikely that Bickell’s stock drops past Frolik’s in the trade market.

  • Nondorff

    How bout this:

    Kane –Toews — Bickell

    Sharp — Pirri — Hossa

    Morin — Shaw — Saad

    Bollig [Smith] — Kruger — Carcillo [Hayes]

    Ben Smith or Jimmy Hayes could get the nod over Morin and since Smith got the call when Hossa couldn’t go that one game, maybe they rank Smith ahead of Morin and Hayes. Either way, Morin, Smith or Hayes will definitely be in the line up and the other two will push Carcillo and Bollig for playing time.

    • 10thMountainFire

      No fucking way does Hayes get the nod over Morin. Fuck that.

    • zacked

      I think that’s the forward corps unless they can get a cheap John Madden type. In which case Carcillo should be dropped. Bollig can be the stay, since he’s making minimum salary.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Goddamn Bollig staying. Goddamn that.

        • zacked

          I didn’t say he should PLAY. You still gotta cap the guys in the press box, might as well be cheap. Well, he can play against STL.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I don’t want him playing ever. I don’t want him in the press box. I want him in Rockford and not given a ticket back.

          • zacked

            That is not logical, Captain.

          • 10thMountainFire

            It’s not logical to leave Brandon fucking Bollig off the roster?

          • zacked

            He’s not the worst 23rd player on a roster in the league. He is the cheapest. I guess there is danger that Q will play him, but for all our caterwauling, he played 200 minutes this season. He was a -1. He was -1 goal relative to a replacement player. It’s just not that big a deal, unless Q starts running him out there for 15 minutes a game.

          • 10thMountainFire

            If you’re telling me you’d rather have Brandon fucking Bollig in that salary spot in place of any other possibility, including guys like Hayes, et al at Rockford, I couldn’t disagree with you more.

            Bollig is a liability every time he’s on the ice, so much so that everyone here was happy to get three consecutive average games out of that fuck this past season.

          • zacked

            No, I’m saying that Hayes, Smith, Pirri, and Morin are all most likely going to be on the roster regardless of whether Bollig is. It’s not Bollig vs. Hayes, it’s Bollig vs. Carcillo, and I’d rather have Bollig.

            Everyone else (Danault, McNeil, etc) should be in Rockford, because they need to be developed. By sitting in the press box, you’re wasting a young player, and so A) since someone needs to be press-boxed, might as well be garbage like Bollig and B) Bollig is cheap garbage.

            If you want to argue that Max Suave should be the press box guy, fine. If you want to argue that Carcillo should be the press box guy since he’ll be on LITR within a week, fine.

          • 10thMountainFire

            So your answer is, ‘there is no answer. The problem is intractable. There is no solution. It has to be Bollig. No one else could possibly be found for that salary who can skate.’

            I call bullshit.

          • zacked

            No, my answer is what I typed. But since you do not actually care or want to engage on the question, neither do I.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You also passed right by what I posted originally. So there we have it.

          • JRF

            Hayes, Smith, and Morin aren’t doing anyone any good sitting in the press box. If they aren’t going to play, better to have them in Rockford. Q’s gonna want a fighter who is bad at hockey no matter what, and you could do a lot worse than Bollig.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Morin will be on the roster. Bollig or no Bollig, Morin makes the team this year, more than likely.

            As for Bollig, if you’re telling me you can’t find a dumbass to throw his fists that can skate and handle the puck better than that gob of fuckery, I tell you that you are WRONG, sir! WRONG!

          • JRF

            Well, name one who is available. Colton Orr? LOL.

          • 10thMountainFire

            How about Beach?

          • JRF

            I have a feeling Beach will be gone by the end of the summer, but I guess it could work. He also might not be willing to fill that role.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Willing? I guess it’s my history of an NCO but… what the fuck does ‘want’ have to do with it?

            If Kyle Beach had issues with anything related to playing hockey, fuck him in his face. Kyle Beach is lucky to still get a paycheck for putting on skates.

          • Z-man19

            Fluffy anyone?

        • lizmcneill

          Rather him that Carcillo, at least he is less likely to injure someone (mostly himself)

          • 10thMountainFire

            This is likely not a popular opinion but I take Carcillo over Bollig. That being said, Carcillo is on the roster regardless in lieu of any buyout.

          • lizmcneill

            Why so? Bollig has become less horrible at hockey to the point where mostly invisible. Carcillo no doubt is more skilled, but I spend his shifts wondering what horrible thing is about to happen. Oh well, based on past for he’ll be on IR pretty soon anyway.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I hate this argument. I hate it to death. We so lowered the expectations for that goon (he’s a goon) that we now allow that he’s not ‘totally fucking useless’ anymore and just ‘fucking useless’.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Indeed. In fact, the argument should be given life by Frankenhole simply so we can brutally kill it with hate fire.

  • Marian Brossa

    Was I the only one who felt like Campbell was part of the core? I never felt like he was essential or irreplaceable and certainly after enough time I agreed that he was unaffordable, but it felt to me like he was being built around in ’09 and ’10 more so than a complimentary piece. Maybe it’s impossible to say without a good definition of what “core” means, but in his first two seasons here, Campbell certainly felt like more than a luxury.

    • Paul the Fossil

      That’s a fair description, sure.

    • VerStig

      I think he was so underrated (because of his cap hit) that he became overrated (especially his impact on the 2010 playoffs after he came back)… but I definitely liked him as part of the core.

    • 10thMountainFire

      There were two very divergent camps on Soupy as I recall it. Those of us who felt even at his salary he went largely un-or-under appreciated and those that hated his salary, thought for the money he should have been a top two blueliner, and were anxious to dump him.

      I think, in the immediate term after he was dealt south, we found that Soupy was in fact part of the core; almost immediately our PP went into the shitter and we had trouble replicating the ‘stretch passes’ that sort of played an important part in our stretching the ice and springing our up-front speed in 2009-2010 leading to large parts of our success. Our mobility beyond Keith both on the PP and at even strength was dramatically reduced until Oduya arrived. Campoli was the quick-fix (and he worked at times but did not nearly compete with what Soupy brought) and Leddy did not become the instant star some of us were crossing our fingers for.

      Long answer summed up, I think Soupy was part of the ‘core’, yes.

      • Marian Brossa

        That’s about how I remember attitudes being too. A lot of “Not a lot of guys do what Campbell does at any price” vs. talk about his expense.

        I guess I just was trying to comment on Sam’s saying that this is the first guy we’ve said goodbye to from the core. We’ve said goodbye to “core” guys in this era already.

        • 10thMountainFire

          It’s possible that Sam was referring to the home-grown core…

          • Marian Brossa

            Fair enough. I just always had an irrational like for Campbell as that move really convinced me the franchise was serious about contending. It’s stupid narrative BS, but I bought it at the time.

          • Why

            I don’t think you were wrong. Campbell was the type of player the Blackhawks couldn’t have gotten at the time unless they overpaid. Then a bunch of guys got really good. Then Campbell was unaffordable.

        • Why

          Campbell and Hossa were the last two guys that the Blackhawks had to overpay for. Soupy was quick with the puck and the great skater. But he was flat out unaffordable at 7 million for a team with Seabrook and Keith.

      • VerStig

        I sense a CNS coming to debunk the Soupy PP “myth”?

        • 10thMountainFire

          Bracing for incoming…

      • cliffkoroll

        Soupy is a savvy and highly-skilled defenseman who will likely
        survive in this league until age 40, based on his penchant for bailing out on passes to avoid hits.

        Also, the PP sucked in 2010 and Soupy was removed from the PP during the following year.

        not core.

        • laaarmer

          core 2 great movie

    • unknown operator

      Campbell was quite the fifth defenseman. Hey Edzo, there’s more copy from McDonough on the facsimile machine.

      • Marian Brossa

        Clearly, though, “core” and “top line” aren’t the same thing if we’re playing within the context of labeling Bollie as core. Core means that this is a piece you intend to keep for a while and acquire other pieces to build around it. It felt like that was the goal for Campbell at one point.

  • ChicagoHawksGal

    Anyone have any thoughts on when Teuvo Teravainen makes an appearance?

    • 10thMountainFire

      2014-2015, I would imagine at the earliest.

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      Ideally he comes to North America this year and plays at least the full 2013-’14 season with the Ice Hogs. Playing professionally in Finland is all well and good, but he needs to come acclimate to the North American style of play to say nothing of the NHL rink dimensions versus the international width he’s used to. As long as doesn’t have a bad attitude about not jumping right to the NHL when he comes to North America and is willing to work on his game in the AHL for at least a year, it’s possible he’s ready for prime time by 2014-’15 but we obviously won’t know until we see him in action.

      • ChicagoHawksGal

        Thanks. I was hoping to see him skate with the Ice Hogs this year.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          I’m hoping he’s there too, though I doubt I’ll actually get a chance to see him there…

      • zacked

        Given that’s he’s just a few days older than some guys drafted yesterday, I think he spends all of next year with Jokerit. Depending on his physical shape at that point, I think he goes to Rockford for 14-15 with hope for a call up mid-season.

        (For anyone who hadn’t heard, Jokerit is moving to the KHL after next season).

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          That’s certainly a possibility, though I’m definitely hoping that he comes across the pond this year. The sooner he begins tailoring his game to the NHL-width ice and the North American style of play the better

          • neo1978

            mentioned this over at SCH. In the Blackhawks 36 TV show, there was a cameo of McD talking to Rocky. He said the hockey side wanted to sign a guy for Rockford next season who would still be 19. Only player that that could have been was TT. No other prospect would still be 19 next season. And American players would still belong to their junior teams, anyway.

  • GoldenJet

    I really thought StanBo was listening when I told him to sign Frolik and Kruger to long term deals at about $2mil per season each. This would have locked up the PK for the foreseeable future and helped solidify the bottom half of the offense.

    Of course, what the fuck do I know

    • ‘hawks58

      Only way they could have kept Fro for less was if they allowed him to become a UFA and then he wasn’t signed away by another team.

  • DaveM36

    FWIW, Chris Block’s most recent post on The Third Man In does suggest that Johns will actually be turning pro soon … http://thethirdmanin.com/2013/06/29/update-on-stephen-johns-bmo-upgrades-saad-all-rookie-team-danault-karlsson-waite-and-stan-and-usa-hockey/

    • 10thMountainFire

      This Hawks organization really does have all the young talent.

      • MattC86

        They have a lot of guys with potential, a really impressive list. They don’t quite have a can’t miss star prospect, but they haven’t been a lottery pick in a long time now. We’ll see.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I’m hopeful. Even without a lottery pick since 2007 we’re stacking up a high level of talent. For every Beach there has been a 2nd round Saad. I’m hopeful that Morin, Pirri, and the rest will emerge as the next generation of core support.

          • goldenjet

            Fuck, I forgot about Beach!

            we’re golden!

          • 10thMountainFire

            To fill the ‘useless, fisted moron role’. Nomination: Kyle Beach.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I read that as “mormon role” and it made me think of a great super-hero comedy.

  • ChicagoNativeSon

    Banksy Bolland, spawned by the writing of “gmh”.

    #36 in your program…
    #1 in Vancouver’s heart head.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I just watched the video report on Bolland’s ‘sisters’ comment again; the reaction of supposed, alleged adult AV is hilarious. David Bolland brought a grown man, a coach no less, down to his level. Awesome.

  • 1benmenno

    Biggest bunch of beauties in the blogosphere!

  • Research Analysis

    SB doing what he must and should do looking to the future. Just be thankful David didn’t put a curse on the Hawks.

  • RVWW

    So the things we’ve expected to happen have happened, except…. Stalberg?

    • 10thMountainFire

      Maybe everyone is just hoping he doesn’t come to camp?

      ‘I looked into it more deeply and I found that apparently what happened is that he was laid off five years ago and no one ever told him about it; but through some kind of glitch in the payroll department, he still gets a paycheck.

      Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won’t be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it’ll just work itself out naturally.

      We always like to avoid confrontation, whenever possible. Problem is solved from your end.’

    • lizmcneill

      UFA is 5th July. Bye-bye, Stals.

      • RVWW

        Ah, that explains it. Stalberg’s date with destiny…

  • robondacob

    I see you share the same interest in Boyd Gordon that I do. If he doesn’t want more than 1.6 mil, I think he should be a definite signing. I’ve also been interested in Gomez. He doesn’t score a lot, but his playmaking is great, which we definitely need on the second line. Sharp needs a playmaking center, and Gomez could be it. If we sign these two players, our roster looks a lot better for next year.

    I messed around with capgeek a little bit, and got a pretty decent lineup imo. Only problem is Rosival might be too much money and the defenseman UFA pool is pretty shallow.

    FORWARDS
    Brandon Saad ($0.894m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
    Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Scott Gomez ($1.100m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
    Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.578m) / Jeremy Morin ($0.887m)
    Marcus Kruger ($1.250m) / Boyd Gordon ($1.600m) / Ben Smith ($0.563m)
    Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) /

    DEFENSEMEN
    Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
    Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
    Nick Leddy ($2.250m) / Michal Rozsival ($2.500m)
    Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m) /

    GOALTENDERS
    Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
    Antti Raanta ($1.400m)
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,334,295; BONUSES: $642,500
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $608,205

    • laaarmer

      The Pirri contingent will be by shortly to escort you to the beating room

      • robondacob

        Haha let me guess, they want him on the second line right? The only way I see Pirri in the lineup is if we don’t pick up a centerman like Gordon, or Pirri plays well enough in training camp that he pushes shaw over to wing. Putting a rookie in the second line requires a Saad-like miracle.

        • laaarmer

          Can you hear them massing? Pitchforks and torches!

        • lizmcneill

          If Pirri’s defensive skills are as absent as people are saying, the only slots are 2C and 4C, sheltered (Shaw’s spot, with Shaw back to wing, and that’s Shaw’s spot to lose.)

          • RVWW

            All of this assumes a healthy and active Hossa. *crosses fingers*

        • 10thMountainFire

          We’re not picking up a 2C. Stan has never gone out and gotten that 2C we wanted. It’s not going to happen now.

          • robondacob

            Stan never went out and overpaid for a 2C. If we can get one for cheap, I think Stan would do it immediately. Of course, I might be missing something about Gomez that Bowman and Co. don’t like, but I think Gomez would be a perfect fit for us

          • roadhog

            Much cheaper at the deadline methinks.

          • 10thMountainFire

            When was the last time a quality centerman came ‘cheap’?

          • Accipiter

            Dave Bolland ?

          • laaarmer

            BAH!

            Jonathan Toews right now.

        • Z-man19

          Boyd Gordon couldn’t play 2C for the Yotes, he’s gonna 2C on the Hawks?

          • lizmcneill

            3C, and Kruger actually is the Plan All Along? Has he ever been tried with Sharp and Gossamer? 16-10-88 was not good, but a strong puck-possession player like Hoss might do it.
            I am not optimistic, I think Frogger tops out at 3C, doesn’t have the offense for 2C.

          • Z-man19

            I’m good with Boyd being on the team, but no one should expect him to be the 2C long term IMO. Boyd/Frog can be the 3-4 C, for 2C, throw shit against the wall and find out what sticks

          • mad-hatter

            Kruger has often gotten the second line role over the course of his career, and Hossa and Sharp went on a tear in December 2011 with Kruger as their center.

          • lizmcneill

            Oh, nice, I thought it might have happened at one point. Here’s hoping Gossamer is healthy for the start of the season.

          • Z-man19

            When did Hossa become Gossamer, that an SCH thing?

          • mad-hatter

            JFK’s iPhone autocorrected Hossa to Gossamer.

          • Z-man19

            Who uses Gossamer? How….that’s just messed up

          • DesertHawk

            My Android switches his name to that as well… I didn’t catch it the first time or two, and so now I leave it as a joke when I’m texting my wife about the Hawks. I don’t mobile comment on any of the blogs though. It also changes Bub, my wifes pet name for my son, into bubbles. This has led to odd phone conversations like “I’m putting bubbles in the bath.” “Uh… ok… why?” Yay autocorrect :D

          • Z-man19

            I get bubbles, obviously the none of the auto correct nerds watch hockey.

          • mad-hatter

            Ha, I don’t know, a few people do. I wouldn’t say it’s become a total thing over at SCH.

          • DesertHawk

            Well from a spellcheck perspective, Hossa, is just one missed button from the beginning of Gossamer. I’m impressed with Chrome’s ability to recognize hockey player names.

          • Z-man19

            If gossamer were more common, I’d get it

          • DesertHawk

            Gossamer is at least a real word in English… one that drove me nuts was my phone correcting fur, to fir… it’s like do people really talk about a specific type of evergreen more frequently than they use the word fur?

          • laaarmer

            Were you looking for a storage place for your furs?

          • DesertHawk

            Autocorrect thing. My phone does it, but I guess someone posting from mobile on SCH had it happen, and it got picked up by a couple folks.

      • roadhog

        The “Saad-like” miracle was fueled by the fact that he played next to Toews and Hossa/Kane. Bickell on the same line brought pretty impressive cup hoisting results. Pirri deserves his shot this season, and putting him between Sharp and Hossa is less dangerous than either the Saad or Bicks moves at this point. Yes, Pirri as 2C, no miracle required. Time for the kids to step up.

        • Marian Brossa

          So you expect me to believe that players who might otherwise struggle perform better when paired with the forwards on our top lines? Is there any evidence to support that other than Bickell, Saad, and Handzus? I’m not convinced yet.

          • roadhog

            Well there is that big Silver Chalice floating around Chicago . . . Let me go check some advanced stats . . . SMIRK.

          • robondacob

            Handzus actually proves that plugging in random centers in the second line is not a long-term option. Everyone who played with Handzus on the second line during the playoffs suffered immediate shortages in points, this includes all-stars Kane, Hossa, and Sharp.

          • roadhog

            Our forwards made Zus look like a god . . . wait, er . . . It’s gotta be your bull.

    • Fleshrifle

      How is Gomez going to keep up with Sharp and Hossa? Isn’t Gomez just a slower Zus?

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        No, he’s also considerably smaller

        • 10thMountainFire

          Zing.

  • 10thMountainFire

    So with Bolland now gone is the ‘rivalry’ with Vancouver now largely reduced to Keith and Thing 1/Thing 2?

    • Accipiter

      I think the hate will still be there, plenty of douches to rival on that team.

      • 10thMountainFire

        From our side, I always saw the hatred focused on Ladd (Kesler) and Bolland (Sedins) with the Byfuglien/Luongo backdrop. Though I guess Boorish’s mouth and Eager’s idiocy maybe enticed something beyond that.

        • roadhog

          Hanson’s hit on Hossa- lingers. Bieksa- pretty much any Hawk forward, every shift. Burrows, whenever he gets hungry or feels all “hair-pully” Now, Torts . . . the rivalry lives.

          • 10thMountainFire

            My point was that there aren’t any real chippy Hawks players that have personal grudges they’re willing to push against Vancouver at this point.

            Hossa, Toews… they’re not going to take liberties.

            So, my point stands. The rivalry is somewhat weakened.

          • roadhog

            I think you could count on Shaw, Bicks, Keith and Seabs for mixing it up more than usual. Not with the pestiness of Bolland, but ya know.

          • Z-man19

            I can see Shaw stirring the pot with gusto

          • 10thMountainFire

            Who is cooking gusto? Why wasn’t I notified? I love gusto in a pot.

          • Z-man19

            I put in some purée, but I think I need to put more in

          • 10thMountainFire

            I want some anyway.

          • Z-man19

            You no see?

          • 10thMountainFire

            Ravioli, LaBatt’s, and freshly-baked bread here.

          • laaarmer

            So, your a bread guy. Kneading the dough are you?

          • 10thMountainFire

            I am going to resist the urge to go forward with that statement…

          • M7

            It’s just Labatt’s (no capital B).

          • Jim A

            More in? He’ll be on the fourth line.

          • Z-man19

            Thank you

          • laaarmer

            Con mucho gusto

          • Accipiter

            Is that better than Tecate ?

          • laaarmer

            Shlittz is the best beer ever in the history of beer

          • Accipiter

            So, it’s good then.

          • Z-man19

            If you like horse piss

          • laaarmer

            It’s not the heat, it’s the humidity.

            Schlitz is not as bad as it’s reputation. For example (por exemplo) Altes and Goebel are way worse.

          • Z-man19

            Rhinelander is the worst beer I’ve ever tasted, minus some $7/case beer I tried in college, drunk people wouldn’t drink it. Can you even buy Schlitz anymore?

          • laaarmer

            Mine is Pilsner Urquell. I think I had the first beer they ever made.

          • Z-man19

            Whatever that crap was, it’s the only beer I ever willingly dumped down the drain

          • laaarmer

            Fucking awful.

            “We invented Pilser” Fuck off. You invented the gag reflex.

          • M7

            I’m guessing you had Pilsner Urquel from a bottle? Never drink it from a bottle. It ships extremely poorly from the Czech Rep in bottles. Always go for their 50 cL can (not sure on can availability where you are) – it’s a drastic difference. I have no idea why companies bottle in non-brown glass. UV light will rip the beer apart fast. Particularly for something that is only lightly consumed (read: potentially in storage for a while).

          • neo1978

            NOOOOOO, Lawns love crappy bear. Better than fertilizer. Don’t be wasteful…

          • Z-man19

            We tried that, the grass got up and moved next door

          • Accipiter

            So, no matter how cold you serve it, it still tastes like piss ?

          • Z-man19

            I’d tell you to try some but I don’t know if they still make it

          • Accipiter

            I want to try Malort.

          • Z-man19

            Never tried it myself

          • laaarmer

            They still make it. I believe Strohs owns it now, which is probably owned by some fucking Euro.

          • Korab22

            We stole their favorite trophy. They’re going to be pissed.

          • lizmcneill

            They’re gonna wonder what that big shiny one our guys are carrying round the city is.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Yep… they believed that if you won the President’s Trophy you were automatically and officially ineligible for the Stanley Cup.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I don’t think you have to be a chippy player to feel the full brunt of a rivalry. Some of the players are gone who were involved in specific events, but I think the rivalry supercedes the players. I bet the majority of Hawks would name Vancouver as their biggest rival, the team where the most bile gets worked up, especially now with Detroit gone. Although St. Louis is rising from the ashes a little now that they’re really good again.

      • Kevin

        Think of it this way … after next year the Sedin twins will be gone.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Ok, I’ll bite. Why will the Sedin twins be gone next year?

          • Z-man19

            They’ll be UFA

          • 10thMountainFire

            They’re not leaving Vancouver.

          • Z-man19

            Anything can happen

          • 10thMountainFire

            Not happening.

          • Z-man19

            Dickbags currently have 11 players signed past next year and are at 45 mil in salaries, getting kinda tight already

          • Paul the Fossil

            Don’t, you’ll regret it.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I regret it. Damn it.

          • mad-hatter

            The mother ship will have called them back.

          • Kevin

            Both brothers are unrestricted free agents and Vancouver will not be able to afford them with their high salary cap. You get one, you get the other.

            I know they are both pesky, but I’d love to see them in an Indian sweater. They both can play!

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            A pair of players who will be 34 by the time the 2014-’15 season starts, have never shown a propensity to play defense or grind in corners, who have both already started showing their age by way of diminishing returns, coming off of $6M+ contracts and probably not looking to take pay cuts? No thank you

        • Accipiter

          To Sweden ?

          • Kevin

            Believe it or not, but to Columbus.

    • roadhog

      I think the rivalry is much bigger than Dave Bolland.

      • 10thMountainFire

        See my comment below.

    • laaarmer

      Shaw plays for he Hawks. AS does Kaner. Everybody hates Kaner

      • lizmcneill

        Kaner and Luongo actually seem pretty friendly considering how many pucks Kaner has put past him.

      • 10thMountainFire

        You know who hates Kaner? Terrorists.

        • laaarmer

          terrorists form terroristia

          • 10thMountainFire

            Vancouver: Anarchist haven.

      • Accipiter

        Everyone hates Kassian, even Keenan.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I was gone for a while. Explain the Keenan meme to me?

          • laaarmer

            I think I have to beg off this one. DSuffice it to say you have been conversing with the Keenan/get rid of Hossa dude and you didn’t even know it.

            BTW – they can;t win the cup with Q. It has to be Keenan.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Anyone who wants to get rid of Marian Hossa is going to get me breaking things again.

            The only people who want to get rid of Marian Hossa are ignorant fucking know-nothings.

          • laaarmer

            Think of it this way … after next year the Sedin twins will be gone.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Ehhhhhh. This is going to get messy before it gets clean.

          • Z-man19

            This is version 2, version 1 was even better

          • 10thMountainFire

            The moment someone proposes dumping Marian Hossa I’m going to end up doing things I shouldn’t.

          • Z-man19

            Better get a lawyer on speed dial

          • laaarmer

            We could sign Vinny if we didn’t have that burdensome Hossa contract

          • mad-hatter

            You’ll love Kevin.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Ingmar

          • mad-hatter

            To-may-to, to-mah-to

          • Kevin

            Both are unrestricted free agents. No way Vancouver can afford them with their high salary cap.

          • Z-man19

            You pretty much nailed it

          • Accipiter

            You didn’t go through all the comments of every post you missed ?

          • 10thMountainFire

            I am a terrible person and a failure.

        • Kevin

          Huh?

  • DesertHawk
    • QCBlackhawk

      Eck. : You safe where you’re at out there?

      • DesertHawk

        Yeah I’m pretty far away from Prescott. The closest my family has ever been was the Cave Creek Complex Fire a few years ago, which fortunately stayed on the north face of the mountain my parents live on the south side of. Wildfires are crazy though, we went into the national park after the CCCF was put out, and road signs were congealed puddles of metal on the side of the road, trees and scrub brush were basically instantly turned to ash and looked like something out of Pompei, and the road itself had actually started to melt and drip away along its edges. Everything was also covered in a grey coating of ash, it looked like the moon or something.

        • QCBlackhawk

          Damn, melted signs. That’s bananas. O_o

          • DesertHawk

            It’s definitely in my top 5 for weirdest things I’ve ever seen, probably a solid contender for number 1.

          • Z-man19

            I was in Yellowstone 3 years ago, that was several years after a fire went through there, that was messed up

          • DesertHawk

            It’s crazy how devastating they can be, the fact that they’re also considered a natural part of the like cycle out here is also really trippy to me.

          • Z-man19

            I watched a barn go up in flames once, pretty sure I don’t want to be in the forest for one. I get the nature part of it but I’ll pass on being involved

          • DesertHawk

            Yeah they tend to let them go(as in just keep them from spreading), unless there’s a fear they’ll get close to people. It’s a weird combo of size/rate of burn/wind/weather, that decides whether one will be dangerous, and those factors can all lead to some really bad situations. The fact that we’ve been in a drought for a while, makes the normal wildfire problem even worse. It’s a job I’d never do though, those guys are crazy brave.

          • Z-man19

            Roger that, I’m more of fire over there? I’ll be way the hell over yonder kind of guy

          • 1benmenno

            Stephen Pyne’s Fire in America is a good read on the subject.

          • Z-man19

            Got the right name anyway

          • 1benmenno

            Before he became a historian he was a firefighter–so, yeah, great name for his line of business.

          • Z-man19

            They call him Crispy?

          • 1benmenno

            You hear Kaner talk about his new nickname? Benefish.

          • Z-man19

            Lutefisk?

          • 1benmenno

            Have you ever even had lutefisk?

          • DesertHawk

            I’m still formulating my care package for you… have you had churros before?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I have not ever had churros please send as many as possible.

          • laaarmer

            Churros come in flatish looking brown muddy looking cakes with some hay hanging around the outsides. You eat them without cooking.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            You, sir, are a burro.

          • laaarmer

            I do what I can

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I think I speak for all of humanity that churro-blocking is not a respected social endeavor. Not that I’ve ever had any. Wouldn’t even know where to get them in Texas.

          • 1benmenno

            Cool. No, I haven’t had churros. A kind of Mexican pastry?

          • DesertHawk

            Fried cinnamon crunchy things… they’re pretty good, and I think they’ll hold up to shipping pretty well.

          • 1benmenno

            Awesome.

          • DesertHawk

            Now I just need to acquire a bunch of them.

          • 1benmenno

            Here’s Stephen Pyne’s bio. He really is a big deal and knows his stuff from first-hand experience: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Pyne

          • DesertHawk

            History of Fire… well that’s a badass specialization field.

          • 1benmenno

            Badass indeed.

          • Z-man19

            I saw how they make the scorpion suckers, they boil the scorpions in tequila, completely safe to eat, I’m sure Ben would love them

          • Accipiter

            I’d give ‘em a whirl.

          • DesertHawk

            Also book recommendations, nice… I shall investigate, I do like words on paper.

  • goldenjet

    Someone explain Bollig being on so many mock rosters
    Is it only because he’s cheap?

    • mad-hatter

      It’s because we can’t get rid of him.

      • DesertHawk

        And he’s cheap. That’d be my guess. I mean when he didn’t draw dumb penalties or do staged fights, he wasn’t terrible this year.

        • mad-hatter

          Yeah, I’m just resigned to the fact that Carcillo and/or Bollig will be here next year. Maybe one can join the Hogs but Q’s always going to have his guys. I don’t think they’ll be a problem in signing Gordon and Rozsi now though.

          • DesertHawk

            Bollig is also one of our kiddos, if I remember correctly. As long as he stays cheap I don’t see the team punting him.

          • mad-hatter

            Exactly. it’s also worth not stressing over someone who will play like 20 games a year and only about 6 minutes each game, and they’re not going to be keeping Pirri, Morin, and Smith from joining the team.

          • jackattack

            Honestly, we’ll probably look back after this next season and be happy that the Hawks had placeholders like Bollig and Carbomb (and to a lesser extent, Ben Smith) during the year where the cap dropped down by $7 mil. While a good chunk of the freed up money from expiring contracts and the projected cap raise following next season is gonna be put towards extending 19 and 88 til the end of time, those bottom spots are going to be open for high upside prospects and slightly pricier but much more useful depth guys.

          • lizmcneill

            Cheaper than Carcillo, somewhat less dumb than Carcillo, and he’s one of the Rockford kids instead of an ex-Flyer. All of that adds up to better than Carcillo if we have to have a goon.

            Plus he adds a beard intangible to the team and I get the impression from his twitter that he is the most sensible of Shaw’s buddies and little Mutt needs all the sensible people in his life he can get.

          • DesertHawk

            I don’t hate him. I’m pretty forgiving of people once they put on a Hawks’ jersey though, if they’re not total d-bags/criminals, and don’t cause us to lose games, I can’t help but like them.

          • lizmcneill

            Me too. Carcillo is the only guy I really want rid of, I get cross with Shaw etc when they do something dumb/dangerous but I still like them.

            Let’s face it, as long as fighting is legal in the NHL every team is going to pay someone league minimum to punch some people, play AHL-level hockey for 5 minutes a night, and warm the box/bench the rest of the time. As long as Bollig never sees OT in a SCF again, I am fine with him on the roster. We could be paying a Colton Orr 4 times the $$ to do the same thing.

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      It’s because if you leave him off, he personally shows up at your house to insist you do otherwise. Sure, you’ll still win the fight, but that smile is unnerving.

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    If Boyd Gordon becomes a Blackhawk, when he gets an assist do we say “You bouyed my boy, boyd!”?

    I’ll show myself out.

    • DesertHawk

      Do you pronounce bouyed, and Boyd, similarly?

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        same as I pronounce bird if I’m from the Bronx.

        • DesertHawk

          Hmm… I don’t pronounce those at all alike.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            It’s boo-eed and Bronx bird, no?

          • DesertHawk

            That’s how I do it.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Boyd Gordon has no officially become a ‘thing’ here.

      • laaarmer

        W!

      • 10thMountainFire

        The down-boating thing has become a ‘thing’ in the last week.

        • laaarmer

          db for you

          • 10thMountainFire

            I love you.

      • jackattack

        Boyd Gordon is the new Jay McKee.

      • Paul the Fossil

        Wait the troll doesn’t want him? Hmm, well I wasn’t real enthused myself but will have to reconsider.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Remember when Andrew Brunette officially became a ‘thing’ here? Well not here but SCH back when the ToS were still running that joint? And then we got him and we were all really excited?

        Of course, everyone wants Boyd Gordon as a 4th liner not a top-6 winger so it’s not quite the same thing, but still…

    • Kevin

      Boyd Gordon never has had a season where he hit double digits in goals or assists. Does he help or hinder?

      Don’t get this guy out of purgatory in Phoenix.

      • mad-hatter

        Do you understand how fourth liners work?

        • DesertHawk

          He understands nothing, old troll is old, and I’m not sure why we’re still letting him bum around.

          • laaarmer

            He’s been cool lately.

          • DesertHawk

            I’m not very forgiving. He has been better, but still irks me.

          • cliffkoroll

            laaarmer VOR.

            wait, what?

          • mad-hatter

            I don’t think he’s smart enough to be a troll.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I doubt his commitment to Sparktroll Motion.

          • mad-hatter

            The Uncommitted Indian

        • Kevin

          I’m learning and I’m willing to listen. Please open my mind. Thanks.

    • Joe Banks

      Every time youse guys bring up Boyd Gordon, it makes me think of the movie “Flesh Gordon”. Why?
      Monster: “Up yours, Gordon!”

      • DesertHawk

        Flesh Gordon? Is that like a porno parody of Flash Gordon?

        • Joe Banks

          Yes – if you go to you tube search Flesh Gordon 1974
          I’m not posting the link
          Terrible movie, awesome parody

  • laaarmer

    So, we got this figured out yet?
    Pirri traded for Crosby and Malkin?

    • Z-man19

      They asked for Bollig too, deals off

      • laaarmer

        Fuck! They can’t have Bollig. Give them Kompon. He’s got two cups. He could really teach PIT about the passive PP game.

        • Z-man19

          He’d be brilliant if he could make their PP suck ass, that would take some skill

          • roadhog

            It takes an exceptionally good team to hoist the cup despite Kompon. The “Bore-Them-To-A-State-Of-Hypnosis Approach” still isn’t perfected.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Datsyuk > Crosby

      Yeah, I said it.

      • roadhog

        I second it, repeatedly.

      • laaarmer

        NO. Not even really close.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I do. In fact I said it. Just now.

          • DesertHawk

            I’ll vouch for your having at least typed it.

          • laaarmer

            You can say it all you want it doesn’t make it so.

            Pirri for 2C! see it just doesn’t work.

            troll’d

          • laaarmer

            Datsyuk
            779G 255G 512A 767Pts +229 (Fuckkkkk)

            Crosbee
            470G 238G 427A 665pts +106 (Fuckkkkkkk)

            I’m thinking Crosby is a large amount better and he didn’t have Lidstrom.

          • Z-man19

            And you say you hate stats

          • laaarmer

            These are truly advanced. I had to type them from NHL dot com. There was a tremendously tremendous amount of labourious labour (canadian) that went in to the procurement of this statistical analysis

          • 10thMountainFire

            Upboat for labourious labour.

          • Z-man19

            Neo will be so proud

          • DesertHawk

            I pretty much said I hate Crosby, for completely nonsensical reasons. Dats has him beat on D, which is the same reason I like Toews better than Crosby, and is the basis of how our team plays.

          • 10thMountainFire

            This is my thinking as well.

          • laaarmer

            408G 167 205 372 115

            Yep. Toews wins except Crosby wins

          • 10thMountainFire

            No. NO. NO!

            Fuck no. FUCK NO.

          • laaarmer

            I think Toews would render Craoby helpless.

            You ever look at Toews eyes during an interview? he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn’t seem to be living…

            Edit: Croaby that’s gohwd. Gohwd I teww ya

          • 10thMountainFire

            Not only is he living, he is a living, breathing super-humanoid.

            Do not reduce him to less than human again.

          • Joe Banks

            Not less than human… MORE than human!
            …until he checks ya and those black eyes roll over white. and then, ah
            then you hear that terrible high pitch screamin and the ice turns red…
            And then you know, Toews has willed the Blackhawks to another win…

          • 1benmenno

            I would like to see a Toews-Crosby matchup. But they’ve never played against each other, as far as I know. Was looking forward to their meeting in the SCF.

          • DesertHawk

            Still pretty sure Crosby threw the ECF so as to not face Toews… this is my completely irrational/delusional drum which I shall keep pounding til they play each other.

          • Why

            Chicago’s captain held up his end of the bargain. Don’t look at him.

          • Joe Banks

            Captain Quint! I have thought about that speech when looking at Toews “unusual” eyes. It’s not just you.

          • Z-man19

            Toews has 2, Crosby stuck on 1. For the money, I’ll take our Captain, even after he signs for moar dough

          • Joe Banks

            Too easy. When was the last time the Hawks truly had a bona fide 2C all season long? I honestly can’t remember. It’s like saying water is wet. Give Pirri a shot.

          • 10thMountainFire

            This.

          • Joe Banks

            …and as Toews leaves the ice, here comes the “doughnut” line…

          • lizmcneill

            We traded Buff.

          • roadhog

            I will second that as well. We all know Datsyuk is a Hawk trapped in a Wings Jersey.

      • DesertHawk

        I’d agree, but I really really dislike Crosby, despite how good he is at scoring goals.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      If Pitt pays half their salary.

  • 10thMountainFire

    It’s not a game night but I’m drinking LaBatt’s anyway.

    • Accipiter

      I’m not gonna call you Dad.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Is Johns Hopkins good enough for you?

    • Joe Banks

      Fucking right!

  • roadhog

    Luongo sending congrats via twitter to Devils and Schneider, looks like he is warming up to returning for Vancouver, at least until they make him number two again. Come on, you know it has to happen . . .

    • 10thMountainFire

      He has no choice but he’s got a decent attitude. Too decent, dare I say, for that city, that fan base, that roster, and that coach.

      • roadhog

        He does have some choice, he could elect to retire, or even stick with demanding the trade.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Really, he has no choice.

        • steeg of their own

          If he retires, he throws away something like $40 million, and he’s smarter than that.

          You see how well demanding a trade worked out for him. He let the Nucks know that he wanted to be moved in April 2012, and after dicking him around for two seasons straight because Gillis is incompetent, he’s still there.

          • Accipiter

            I think the management fucked that up but good. The entire locker room just witnessed how they treat their players.

          • steeg of their own

            Yeah, they screwed the burning pooch on that one. And they made it worse this weekend when the owners flew down to Florida to tell Lu, but no one bothered to inform Schneider until he learned about it from TSN. Real classy, Nucks. I’m sure that reassured everyone that you guys had your shit together.

    • laaarmer

      What if they sign Emery.

      • 10thMountainFire

        You shut your foul mouth!

      • roadhog

        I like your line of thought, but I don’t want to face Emery as a Canuck. It’s still too soon.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        What if they sign Tim Thomas?

        • Z-man19

          this is my new favorite, most unlikely scenario

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            What I REALLY want to happen is for the Canucks to decide that there’s simply no salvaging their relationship with Luongo, buy him out, and sign Tim Thomas as his replacement. It won’t happen, but how fucking hilarious would that be?

          • Z-man19

            There is NO WAY this happens but I’d like them to sign Tim first, then fumble around with Lu some more. Not that Lu should get screwed more than he has.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Either way, while it’s completely outside the realm of possibility (even if we ignore the salary cap hell they’re currently in), any scenario in which Vancouver signs Tim Thomas = comedy gold

  • roadhog

    Bickell- “There’s going to be more pressure as the team relies on me more, I think I took a big step in the playoffs for my career, with the way I need to play and the consistency I need to bring, I feel like I can bring that every night. I know what it takes, I know what they want, and hopefully I can just bring it.” Also kind words in regards to Fro and Bolly, but mostly happy the team chose to resign him. Referred to the strength of the core. Loosely quoted from phone interview with NHL network.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Talk is cheap. Bickell is expensive.

      Pick it up, Bicks. Earn that dolla dolla bill.

      • Kevin

        For his money, he’d better be scoring 25+ goals a year and have about 30 assist per year.

        Another words, he’d better improve his yearly outputs. But, then again, if he pulls a Big Buff (notorious big game post season good player for the Hawks) and also plays like Mario Lemieux in the playoffs I’ll take his shitty yearly production.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Bryan Bickell is not Dustin Byfuglien. Bryan Bickell did not play like Mario Lemieux or even Claude Lemieux. He had an above-average playoff season and he got paid. The money is what it is and I’m glad Bicks stayed.

          Let’s end the Byfuglien obsession here.

          There is no ‘Dustin Byfuglien role’ on this franchise’s roster. Legions of teams have won Stanley Cups without Dustin Byfuglien.

          Dustin Byfuglien had exactly one stretch, in the playoffs, of above-average hockey. Before that, he was maddeningly inconsistent, his work ethic often came into question, and he was actually playing piss-poor hockey down the stretch of the regular season in 2009-2010 (and through the first round against Nashville where he remained a blueliner). He is a marginal-to-below-average defenseman, a marginal skater, has poor conditioning, and wouldn’t be a top four blueliner for the Hawks.

          He wouldn’t have played consistently enough good hockey to warrant a spot in the top six forwards, and we’re better off without him. I’m glad we were able to avoid his salary occupying salary space. We won another Cup without him.

          • Accipiter

            You will see soon enough. You are dealing with Keenan here, he’s the best.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I’ve been gone too long. I have no idea what is going on here. I’m scared. I’m confused. I don’t know where I am. Can you take me back to my home?

          • Kevin

            I know. I know. But, please keep it down. I’m a modest and unassuming man. I don’t like to blow my own horn. Shhhh.

          • Kevin

            With Dustin you are correct and that’s the point I was trying to make, but I can’t articulate it like you can.

            Buf showed up in the playoffs and was a standout, but during the regular season he was a bust. A dud. He came to every season out of shape and worse he played like he didn’t care.

            If Bicks show up like he did this year in the postseason and has monster stats, I would be happy with that. But, for $4 million a year that’s a lot of money to put on a project. If you really want to know the truth, he was a bust for the Hawks before that as Chicago invested a high round draft pick for him.

          • cliffkoroll

            I remember an interview with Bickell before the 2010-11 season. No name on Cup, minimum-wage contract.

            He talked about how he spent all summer working on his shot with some guy, hours upon hours honing his craft.

            He goes out and scores 17, but it snuck up on people. For a while, his ‘forty-foot wrister’ was a go-to gag in these parts.

            Down the stretch that year, he potted a couple huge goals that way (don’t recall specifics- you could look it up), for a team with zero margin for making the playoffs.

            I’ve already commented on his ‘off da charts’ playoff ‘step-up’ capability.

            And he’s big. And hits. And he’s capable of defensive responsibility.

            Yeah, I can paint a Bickell best-case picture.

  • Z-man19

    Courtesy of MMD, another call of all the goals from game 6, the tying goal is pretty good

    http://deadsp.in/tDU0Uin

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      That’s going on my FB wall. Thanks for sharing, Zed.

    • VerStig

      Can we get this guy on NBC?

    • steeg of their own

      DAAAAAVE BOOOOOLLLLLLLAAAAAANNNNDDDD!

      My favorite.

      • Z-man19

        I gotta go with the tying goal, that was primal

      • Kevin

        He was my all time favorite Blackhawk player. It’s like losing a loved one.

        I was in shock and I still am.

      • Korab22

        No doubt!

    • 10thMountainFire

      Better than Emerick and McGuire.

    • 10thMountainFire

      I love mMD.

  • Accipiter

    The long UFA contracts everybody signed four years ago don’t look good in retrospect.
    http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/07/01/the-long-ufa-contracts-everybody-signed-four-years-ago-dont-look-good-in-retrospect/

    • steeg of their own

      I agree with him in general, but I’m not sure how much of it applies to Hossa’s situation specifically. Hossa as a player has a number of advantages that make his contract more reasonable as he ages than almost any other player on that list.

      Plus, you know, two Cups. Doesn’t matter how much they pay Travis Zajac, they’re not getting two Cups out of that contract, so the Hawks are ahead of the game on Hossa’s contract there.

      • 10thMountainFire

        A warning to anyone responding to steeg’s post:

        If you propose, in any respect, the Hawks getting rid of Marian Hossa, kittens will die.

        • steeg of their own

          Realistically, the Hawks can’t get rid of Hossa’s contract now. They used their two compliance buyouts on Olesz and Monty, so even if we buy him out we don’t get the cap relief. Which means we’re keeping him for the longterm.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Realistically, Hossa will be back. There will be hell to pay.

          • Why

            Or trying to stash him on the LTIR when his body can’t go anymore. But here’s the thing, that Hossa deal looks brilliant in retrospect. Hawks don’t win the cup without him in 2010 and probably don’t win the cup in 2013 without him. The Blackhawks had to pay a premium to sign him and if it wasn’t a long term deal, Hossa’s cap hit would have meant losing key contributors in each of those two cup winning seasons.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Not ‘probably’. The Hawks don’t win the Stanley Cup in 2013 without Marian Hossa. Upboated.

          • Why

            Maybe you could have found a couple of players with the extra cap room. But that’s a very, very slim maybe. I was happy they had Hossa.

      • Why

        I’ll give him credit for compiling the list, but I don’t know if I buy any of his premises. Paying a guy for a long term doesn’t mean that you think he needs to recreate his best season in order to make him worth the contract. You give him security so that he’ll resign, period, rather than ply his trade elsewhere. And unfortunately, it’s pretty hard to find a stat for defenceman that actually recreates what their best season was.

        I’m also thinking that he missed Keith but I’m not positive on that one.

        I look at the list of 20 players and I’d do the following deals again, without hesitation:
        1. Hossa
        2. Campbell
        3. Crosby
        4. Suter
        5. Quick
        6. Zetterberg
        7. Nash
        8. Franzen

        I’d probably do these deals again:
        1. Zajac
        2. Staal
        3. Kovalchuk
        4. Parise
        5. Luongo

        Your mileage may vary but I didn’t see a list of guys signed to untenable contracts.

  • cliffkoroll

    Stan’s to-do list:

    Sign Rosival ($2.0)

    Sign Leddy ($2.4)

    That gives him a little more than $3 million for a couple bottom-6 forwards, including, hopefully, a center.

    Cut Rosi loose and go cheap on D (not really- still splashing $22 mildo on the league’s best d-corps), and you got another million or so to play with.

    Get ‘er done.

    • lizmcneill

      Frogger? Cost-controlled centers are not to be sneezed at.

      • cliffkoroll

        oops. I already have him signed for $1.3.

        cc: Stan Bowman

    • Z-man19

      I’d like Rosz back, but the more I ponder the situation, the more I think he won’t be back and a Hog gets his shot. I just can’t see Rosz signing for the same money he played for last year and not even sure Stan would give it to him all things considered

      • Marian Brossa

        This has been my line of thinking too, but I’d like someone who has watched them play in more than just their NHL cups of coffee to tell me who we should expect the Hog turned Hawk to be. Is there a power ranking among Clendening, Olsen, Stanton, and Lalonde? Or, reason to believe the RFAs in there will/won’t be back?

        • Z-man19

          I really don’t know other than several have said Stanton did well last year in Vegas. I think it’s safe to assume Leddy will be back, just don’t know the price tag

      • cliffkoroll

        We’ll see. Rosival’s on the downslope- his big contract was six years ago – and Q loves the guy. Hell, I love the guy. Size and hands and vision and all situations and UNLIMITED SHOOTOUT POTENTIAL.

        • Z-man19

          It would not bother me in the least to see Rosz back next year, but Hammer, Oduya and Seabs are all due contracts in the next 3 years, at least one of those guys won’t be coming back. Plugging a young guy in is going to happen at some point. The thought of Leddy paired with another young guy just isn’t doing it for me though.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          I think we should let Rozsival go, sign someone new at 1.25, and give Bickell another 750K on his contract.