NHL: Stanley Cup Playoffs-Chicago Blackhawks at Minnesota Wild

If It’s Any Consolation, I Don’t Begin to Understand Them: Wild 4, Blackhawks 2

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Event Summary

I passed out on my couch last night. I was woken up at 2:30 in the morning by a 4 pound chihuahua licking my face. I thought I smelled something funny but was still in half-sleep mode. Once I gathered my bearings I realized there was a nice pile of diarrhea at the edge of the couch and the little dog couldn’t have been prouder of it.

So if you’re wondering how Joel Quenneville feels this morning, just ask me and I can give you a pretty accurate description.

Following my Game 1 recap, I said the series was either going to be a sweep or the Hawks and Wild were going to dry-hump their way through 4 games before finally dispatching Minnesota in 6 (Though after watching the Wild play in Minnesota, it’s going to take a special effort for the Hawks to win there). So I can’t sit here and pretend I have all this faux outrage over the events of the last two games. It was, after all, what I expected.

Let’s get to it.

–And just like that almost on command, Corey Crawford provided Exhibit A and Exhibit B as to why he’ll never get the benefit of the doubt like Jonathan Quick does. The Wild’s second goal, while it was after an extended zone time and a couple failed attempts by the Hawks to get out of the zone, simply cannot happen when you’re trying to win a road playoff game.

The third goal was even worse as it seemed like the Hawks were finally ready to go on an extended surge in the series after tying the game at 2. But a 55 foot off-angle shot beat Crawford to the far side and that was pretty much that.

–What’s happening right now is two-fold. The Wild are getting phenomenal performances out of their top guys and Mike Yeo is running a hot hand at home. In Game 3, the Wild were more than happy to sit back 1-2-2 in the neutral zone for two periods. Then all of a sudden, he flipped the switch in the third and the Wild exploded for two quick goals. In Game 4, they were aggressive throughout the game. He’s able to do this because everything has been going the Wild’s way at the Xcel Center in the playoffs.

He’s not some mystical genius who’s using psychic abilities to see five moves ahead of Joel Quenneville. For the time being, he’s staying unpredictable and without much of a track record to go on, this has the Hawks and Joel Quenneville a little unsure of what to expect.

This is why the Hawks are chipping pucks deep when they should be carrying it into the zone. Or why they try to carry the puck in when they should chip and chase.

It also helps that the Wild have played a helluva series thus far because Yeo could be making in-game adjustments until his hair grows back but it wouldn’t make a difference if his team wasn’t playing this well.

–Jonathan Toews may have played the most invisible playoff game of his career. Don’t look at his Corsi number from last night if you haven’t already. I beg you. The easy argument to make in his favor is that he played with 42 different linemates (pretty sure I saw Wayne Presley lined up at his wing at one point) and couldn’t get any momentum going. But he’s Jonathan Toews and that simply should not happen even if me and McClure are lined up on his wing.

Let’s be serious though. If you don’t think a signature Toews performance is coming up at some point in the next three games, you have not been paying attention at all in the last 6 years and/or you’re an idiot.

–Could the NHL please take any roster decision out of Joel Quenneville’s hand and just sit Bollig down for the next few games? His hit on Keith Ballard was absolutely ridiculous and would have been considered a chickenshit play even in the “Golden Age of Checking.”

Ballard had his back to the play and Bollig with a clear shot at his number drove him full speed into the glass. In fact, this type of check is the exact reason why every kid playing hockey in America has a giant stop sign above their numbers on the back of their jersey.

Please, someone attending Blackhawks fest this summer, can you ask what analytics they possess that told them Brandon Bollig was a) deserving of playing more than 90 games this year and b) worthy of a three year extension that earned him a 50% raise. This is an organizational fail on all fronts, coaching staff and front office.

–The Hawks have been in this situation a few times before. Calgary in ’09. Nashville and Philadelphia in ’10. Those are just the first few that come to immediate mind for me. The Hawks felt their way through the first four games and it didn’t look all that pretty, on the ice or in the fancy stats. But they always had a response.

Hell, even when they bowed to Vancouver and Phoenix, they responded. They just lost a coin flip in one instance and responded too late in the other.

That’s why I get such primal enjoyment out of people eager to write them off. They have a proven track record and yet, it’s the same hand-wringing and belly aching every time.

Never change.

  • Iaaarmer
  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

    I hope everyone is right about G5 being the turn on game.

    • YoAdrienne

      Me, too. It’s just really frustrating to know that they CAN turn it on, but that they keep putting themselves in this position. I wish, for once, that they’d turn it on starting in Game 1.

    • ballyb11

      Me three.

  • cliffkoroll

    1. Minnesota is very good. South Park teaches us that when (a) you serve someone, then (b) they serve you back, then (c) IT’S ON!

    2. Next level. Find it. Now. This has zero to do with line-ups and everything to do with the individuals in the sweaters, mostly the many stars.

    • Iaaarmer
    • Bob Lanz

      Oh ok then it doesn’t matter who fills the bottom six as long as the top six do what they get paid to do… Your logic

      • XMF

        Most of the scoring is going to come from the top six. The depth guys on the ‘bottom’ two lines are going to give you some scoring but the more important contributions come from filling ice time with competent guys capable of attacking the opposition, wearing them down, and giving you quality minutes. Sometimes you’ll get timely scoring (guys like Saad and Versteeg, theoretically, when on the bottom six… Smith, Kruger…) but more often your bottom six will be the guys who play the possession game well and can match-up well against the opposition enough to give your top six a chance to win you the game.

        If I may be so bold, Cliff sort of alludes to the missing component. I would jump a step further and say… (swallowing hard…) Bolland.

      • cliffkoroll

        Even today, the comment board is again overrun with side issues. As bad as you and others want to put Q’s head on a stick, that’s simply not the reality of what’s going on.

  • Preacher

    “Corey Crawford provided Exhibit A and Exhibit B as to why he’ll never get the benefit of the doubt” and “They have a proven track record and yet, it’s the same hand-wringing and belly aching every time.”

    Perhaps the first statement explains the second?

    • neo1978

      Everybody gives up soft goals; Rask does, Quick does, they all do. The reason that Crawford doesn’t get talked about in the same way as the top guys is what happens the rest of the time.

      Rask is throwing up a .955 even strength save percentage so far these playoffs. Crawford is at .918 at even strength. Quick was at .946 for his entire Stanley Cup playoff run. Crawford threw up an .897 that season.

      It’s not the type of goals that matters, it’s the number of them…

  • Bob in EP

    After watching Bollig’s hit on Ballard I thought a suspension might solve our problem for a few games.

    • wardrums

      I realize I’m skating on thin ice here, but at least Bollig seemed to give a damn. Ballard did nothing to protect himself. Screw him, you got a grinder hot on your heels you might want to shield yourself from the blow. Is there a new rukecwhere if you turn yuor back, no one can hit you? Bollig was not the reason we lost last night.
      The Hawks picked up the pace a lot in the third period – they looked like they wanted it again. I swear neiderreiter’s shot was near the dot, not 55 feet away. Crow made many huge saves last night.

      One final thought; do you think Cooke would have passed a drug test last night? He acted like he was on a stimulant.

      If Quenneville experiments with the lines Sunday like he did last night, the Hawks ate through

      • Paul the Fossil

        Actually the rule is not new and it is that if a player has his back to you along the boards for the entire sequence and you full bodyslam him into the boards, its boarding. What Bollig did there was an easy penalty call when Eddie Shore did it, or Gordie Howe, or Chris Chelios, or anybody in any other era of hockey.

      • Waylon

        I don’t care about which player appears to be “giving a damn,” I care about players making good decisions with and without the puck. Bollig’s not the reason why they lost the game, but given his limited role on the team and at that moment in the game, the penalty was beyond brain – cramp stupid. He’s farking Mongo out there, I don’t want to see him on the ice again, he’s a waste of space.

        • wardrums

          The Mongo reference made me laugh Waylon. Of course your probably right in your assessment, but a part of me still thinks d-men need to “be aware” when they are being pursued by a player that can knock out a horse.

    • SAMCRO Outlaw

      Seems the honchos in the league office may be taking his presence on the active roster out of Q’s hands. They have scheduled a hearing with him today. For life would be fine by me.

      • ‘hawks58

        It was an idiotic hit by Bollig and I wouldn’t be surprised if he sits 1 game, but how the hell has Spurgeon escaped a hearing after elbowing and kneeing Kruger at the same time?

    • Brad Lee

      Good point there. Hey, is it just me or do we really miss Andrew Shaw out there. His injury is scary because of the missed games!!

  • XMF

    In the past two years, each time that the Hawks have had their backs to the wall, they’ve responded.

    Dumb penalties are killing us. That’s just something to tighten up the reigns upon. Crow had a bad game. He was due. His positioning was bad on at least two of the Wild goals. That won’t continue with a guy who relies on positioning to keep himself and the team successful.

    Enough with the hand-wringing, the stupid penalties, and the low-scoring affairs. The team is stocked with top-end goal scorers. It’s a matter of time. Q will get it done.

  • jacquescloutier

    bollig hit on ballard:
    fifty bucks – the smails kid picks his nose… fifty bucks more says he eats it… DON’T DO IT KID. DON’T. DON’T.

    ballard had his back to bollig the whole time, enough time for me to think:’don’t do it kid. don’t. don’t’. even if it doesn’t result in a suspension, it’s one of the dumbest penalties i’ve seen taken this year [the andrew shaw award], given that it wasn’t reactionary and there was so much time to avoid it.

    • XMF

      Andrew Shaw plays an aggressive game. His penalties are both expected and, much of the time, without permanent damage. His role is what it is and that’s the price we pay for Shaw’s role.

      Bollig… I won’t because it doesn’t get us anywhere. He plays stupid more often than not and once he’s suspended, he’ll have a reputation and he’ll be watched more by the league. He’s skating on the line now and once he earns a rep, he’ll be less than useless.

      • jacquescloutier

        at least half the games shaw takes a dumb penalty he also scores a goal, so there’s some redeeming factor. bollig though…

        • XMF

          I think comparing Shaw to Bollig is a non-starter, really. This isn’t even something worth Disqusing. In truth, Shaw fills multiple roles and he’s paying dividends.

          • jacquescloutier

            truth. i didn’t mean to drag shaw’s name through the mud.

          • XMF

            Well, he is a mutt…

      • Bob in EP

        Now you’re getting me all nostalgic for the days of Lysiak and Manson.

        • XMF

          Enrico Ciccone is a ‘hockey analyst’. Let that bounce around your brain on a Saturday and tell me it doesn’t hurt.

  • cliffkoroll

    Offsides. the Hawks were called for at least two and perhaps a third offsides that (a) were erroneous, (b) negated scoring chances, and (c) were testaments to skill and beauty. Fucking shame. Hurts in a tight game with few good looks.

    On the other side, the Wild incurred 3 or 4 ‘intentional’ offsides- plays where it would be dangerous to move back and they might lose the puck but there are teammates clearly inside the zone when the guy fires it back in. I know this rule exists, where the face-off moves back to the other dot or, in some cases, inside the zone, but in almost never see it called in the NHL.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

      The puck can be dumped back into the zone with skaters in the zone, just all skaters need to clear before they re-enter for attack. This is the touch up rule. Now if it is put back in with a clearly offside player, and then played, that is intentional.

      • cliffkoroll

        I’m not talking about ‘delayed’ offsides when the whistle isn’t blown.

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

          Then what are you talking about, I am not following, what you described is a delayed offside if the puck is not touched in the OZ until all clear the Zone. Carrying it in while the puck clearly clear of the zone and a player is offsideor playing it after the dump in, that would be an intentional offside

          • Preacher

            I’m with cliff on this one. There was one in the third where the Wild player, from outside the zone, sent it back in, and the Wild player, knowing it was offside, played it anyway. Several Hawks players pointed down the ice, trying to get the faceoff in the Wild O zone. Kane was lobbying hard with the linesman but it didn’t happen. When the linesman is screaming “offside!” for a while and the player plays it anyway, that would be intentional too.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            That is intentional offside, I was not following what he was describing.

    • jacquescloutier

      not to mention the missed too many men on the ice [six skaters below the circles] for the wild. that was a groin-grabbingly bad [non]call.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

        The reason the Hawks lost has nothing to do with too much man or bad offside calls. The Hawks got throtteled.

        • jacquescloutier

          no argument there.

    • 334Rules

      Two false offsides on the Hawks and one missed intentional on the Wild was what I counted.

    • Iaaarmer

      I know you know the rules, but I’ll post what the NHL site has.

      For every delayed off-side situation, including an intentional off-side, the Linesman will raise his non-whistle arm. He will allow play to continue and, if a stoppage of play occurs, there will be four possible face-off locations:

      (i) If carried over the blue line – face-off outside the blue line.

      (ii) If shot into the zone (or errant pass) – nearest face-off spot in the zone from which the pass or shot originated that gives the offending team the least amount of territorial advantage (even if deflected off an attacking or defending player or an official).

      (iii) If the defending player is pressured or about to be checked by an attacking player – nearest face-off spot in the zone from which the pass or shot originated that gives the offending team the least amount of territorial advantage (even if deflected off an attacking or defending player or an official).

      (iv) If deemed to be an intentional off-side – face-off spot in the offending team’s end zone.

      • Iaaarmer

        Intentional Off-Side – An intentional off-side is one which is made for the purpose of securing a stoppage of play regardless of the reason, whether either team is short-handed.
        If in the opinion of the Linesman, an intentional off-side play has been made, the puck shall be faced-off at the end face-off spot in the defending zone of the offending team.
        If, while an off-side call is delayed, a player of the offending team deliberately touches the puck to create a stoppage of play, the Linesman will signal an intentional off-side.
        If, in the judgement of the Linesman, the attacking player(s) are making an effort to exit the attacking zone and are in close proximity to the blue line at the time the puck is shot into the zone, the play will not be deemed to be an intentional off-side.

  • http://www.twitter.com/JohnnyMadhouse JohnnyMadhouse

    Some thoughts…

    After watching the last two games, Q’s blowing up and reassembling of the lines makes a bit more sense. I think the reality is that Minnesota, at times, poses some serious match-up problems to particular players/configurations for us, especially when they are on the defensive side of the puck.

    I think Q’s tossing of the lines into the proverbial blender before last night’s game was a response to him seeing this in Game 3 and attempting to even out all of the lines to attempt to offset the distinct disadvantage he perceived having last change with Yeo being able to exploit the aforementioned vulnerabilities. Unfortunately, this didn’t quite go as planned.

    Hopefully this means that on Sunday we will see a reversion to the line-up from Games 1 & 2 now that Q will again be able to dictate the match-ups again.

    Q was basically grasping at straws with the line-up change to dissipate the match-up problems he perceived, which is still bad if we can’t win one at home and have to go back to the X trying to stay alive, but I think this theory makes all the changes after being up 2-0 and 2-1, as well as the Sybil-esque change in tone we saw from the Hawks between 1 & 2 and 3 & 4, yay for run-on sentences.

  • BestPredsForward

    This is the second series in a row where they have stooped to the level of their competition. They better realize that the Kings and/or the Bruins won’t let them get away this crap the way the Wild will.

    • Iaaarmer

      I hope the Hawks can bring the same level of play to game 5 as the Wild did in game 4, if that is what you mean by, ‘stooped’.

    • Preacher

      “the way the Wild will”
      Doesn’t look like the Hawks are getting away with ANYTHING with the Wild right now.

  • HossasPierogi

    Right on in your assessment of Bollig. Failure is the only way to describe whatever system puts him on the ice. At best he’s a third/fourth liner on a bad team. He has no business in a Hawks sweater.

  • ballyb11

    Hunger, Effort .

    Different, but related.

    They have the talent, but I think the above are missing. Mindset is everything in life. Something changed since 12/31/2013.You people laugh at the term TWTW. I think it’s as good a term for the Hawks’ problem as any.

    • XMF

      Intangibles alert.

      • ballyb11

        Well, none of you have been signing on to the tangibles that TMFF has finally started pointing out. And…………
        if you people think that intangibles aren’t often a part of athletics, well then………

        • XMF

          The problem with intangibles is that they are unprovable. They’re the cheap way out of assessing the real problems of a team or an individual in sports.

          • ballyb11

            Michael had them, Tiger had them. Very, very few can keep the intensity going.

          • XMF

            Michael was good at basketball. Tiger is good at golf.

          • ballyb11

            And the Hawks?

          • XMF

            People said Patrick Kane lacked TWTW. He has won two Championships. So, there’s that.

          • ballyb11

            Last series, the Blues were good at hockey.

            Last year, the Bruins were good at hockey.

            Minnesota should not be dominating the Hawks. Maybe the Hawks are just tired.

          • XMF

            Maybe they just lost because they lost and they won because they won.

          • ballyb11

            Look at the underlying stats. You all pointed to them all year.

          • Iaaarmer

            They aren’t good.
            Not everyone on this site points at them, though.

          • ballyb11

            If you’re not one, I apologize.

          • ballyb11

            And BTW, maybe Q, Scotty and crew can “adjust” to make things better. I really hope so.

          • 1benmenno

            TWTA

          • Iaaarmer

            No need for apologies. The stats help people understand what they are seeing, how players are used in various situations etc. They don’t guarantee anything and I don’t believe anyone ever claimed they did.

          • XMF

            This was my point as well.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            They present values to determine a probability of occurrence. nothing more. The more slanted they get in one direction the more probable that outcome occurs but does not assure it, but nothings says it HAS to occur, even this “regression” thing.

          • amontesawesome

            “Look at the underlying stats [when they prove my point but don't look at them when they don't].”

          • Joe Banks

            Wow… the universe is crazy beeg…

          • Hugitout5

            Dude my take is your take is right on the money.

          • ahnfire

            My problem with intangibles is that people act like they’re a finite source.

            MIN had TWTW. The Hawks had TWTW. It’s just that MIN executed much better, and as a consequence, people act like the Hawks never tried. I know I’m guilty of accusing the Hawks of that all the time, but usually just during a heightened passion of a game. It’s just easier to yell “TRY HARDER” than it is to say “EXECUTE YOUR DESIRES MORE SUCCESSFULLY”. I think that’s why, the day after, I am not nearly as annoyed with the Hawks as I was last night.

          • XMF

            They need to try harderer.

          • 1benmenno

            Hardy har har

        • Preacher

          The announcers last night said, several times, a variation of “The Wild players are getting to the puck first.” Call it want to, TWTW, effort, 110%, whatever—but for a team built on speed like we are, the Wild are winning all the races.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            The Hawks are being outplayed and outworked for sure, but that is a credit to MIN and its play, not a lack of want on the Hawks part.

          • ballyb11

            How can you say that? Backup?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            Huh?

          • ballyb11

            How can you make a statement that the Hawks’ aggregate want is as great as the Wilds’ aggregate want. It’s obviously a spectrum, not on or off. Is it possible that the Wild want it more?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            How, I type it out and hit Post.
            .
            I do not even know how to begin to respond to your suggestion though, no response can be through enough, encompassing enough, individual or team orientated enough, other than if it is a legitimate concern, the series is over.

          • ballyb11

            I’d say it’s a legitimate concern. The series is not over. The question is whether the Hawks superior talent can overcome the what I perceive to be a net negative in intangibles.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

      TWTW =/= Defeatest attitutde
      TWTW =/= Bad Play
      TWTW =/= Poor descisions
      TWTW =/= Poor execution
      TWTW =/= Poor Line choices
      .
      A team does not make it to the second round in the playoffs coming back from 0-2 to a very good team, it does not win despite the stats, it does not take a 2-0 lead because it does not want to win. The HAwks want to win, but the means to doing it are failing. TWTW at this level is not a player, in the playoffs at the elite level on a team basis. How the game is played from the GM down is!

      • ballyb11

        I agree. There are a lot of other problems, but the Hawks haven’t been able to “right the ship” since early in 2014. Same talent as the first part of the year. They were barely over .500 in 2014.

        What are the shot totals in this series? This from a team that has always dominated possession.

        Why haven’t been able to fix? Call it whatever you want.

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

          Here are the totals

    • amontesawesome

      “Something changed since 12/31/2013″

      Look at the underlying stats.

      Oh, whoops. I see you said the same thing below.

  • ericthered

    Bob McKenzie doesn’t think both hits are suspendable. You know there was the Spurgeon elbow to the head of Kruger, which also included a possibly incidental knee-to-knee.

    I know it gets lost in the “let’s get Bollig suspended” pitch and torch fest going on but that Spurgeon play was equally bad.

    Not sure how removing Bollig will solve anyone’s problem when Q will find a way to either bench Morin or play a D at forward just to spite the naysayers. It’s a fruitless exercise.

    • ahnfire

      I think the calls to remove Bollig are just a way for fans to have an easy scapegoat. Removing him wouldn’t likely change much of anything.

      Note: I’m saying that as someone who has gone on record, multiple times, about how much I hate Bollig. I hate his face, I hate his existence as a hockey player, and I hate him in general. I don’t care that there are stats that say he’s not the issue, I still hate him. Hate hate hate.

      • Stockroom Snail

        This is how I feel:

      • YoAdrienne

        Yes, he is being scapegoated. Some of it is that we aren’t happy with him taking up roster space, and then only playing five minutes in the whole game, either because he’s benched, or sitting in the penalty box for doing something stupid. Meanwhile, more capable players, like Regin, are watching from the press box. And, guys like Toews and Kane are getting worn out from being double-shifted all night. That’s far more Q’s fault than it is Bollig’s. It would be nice if he’d at least try someone else in there to take up some slack for the others, instead of dressing a guy he’s only going to play for 5 minutes. I know. I preach to the choir.

        • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

          He is not a scape goat, he SUCKS. His TOI is terrible, meaning other forwards have to increase their TOI to compensate, this leads to wear and fatigue. His production and contribution is a net negative, so when he is on the ice the Hawks are even more worse off. He is taking a roster spot from a player(s) who can contribute, eat TOI and help the team.
          .
          He is not THE reason the Hawks are losing, but he sure as shit is part OF the reason!

          • YoAdrienne

            Of course he’s a scape goat. People are blaming HIM for the loss, and as you said, he is not THE reason for it. That makes him a scape goat. And, yes. He sucks.

    • DJ

      Bollig gets a phone call hearing with DoPS

      • ahnfire

        lolll well can’t say it’s not deserved.

        although I’m with you in that I’m still much angrier about the Spurgeon hit than Bollig’s. Perhaps because I expect stupid dumbass hits from Bollig (eventualities of an idiot player) and because the memory of Frogger trying to crawl to the bench b/c of the kneeing makes my blood boil.

        • XMF

          At the risk of de-railing the thread with Bollig stuff (maybe it already has…), I have noticed that Kruger has been run several times with Bollig on the ice and it has frustrated me.

          • lizmcneill

            Fucking Bollig.

          • XMF

            I admit that came out of my mouth several times last night.

          • TheFullAmonte

            That can’t be possible. You must be seeing things.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

    The reason the Hawks lost and have lost has nothing to do with bad offside calls, or a missed penalty or 2, put the tin foil hats away. the problem lies within this.
    In Corsi all in 10 playoffs games, the Hawks have reached their season average ZERO TIMES in 10
    in Corsi 5v5 Close, the Hawks have reached their season average 2 times in 10
    In Corsi 5v5 Tied 4 of 10 times.
    That is 6 of 30, reaching JUST average!
    Fenwick was
    All 2 of 10
    5v5 Close 3 of 10
    5v5 Tied 5 of 10
    10 of 30 reaching season average

    In the games they reached average
    Corsi they went 6-0 (combined, incl overlap)
    Fenwick they went 8-2 (combined, incl overlap)

    The Hawks have been taken out of their game by 2 straight teams and they have not corrected this!

    • Preacher

      So when does the “correction” occur? When do the Hawks “regress” to their usual dominant selves?

      • Iaaarmer

        *progress

        • Preacher

          (I was using advanced stats lingo.)

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

        Nothing says they have to regress “TO” anything, probability says only toward, but even that does not have to happen.

    • ballyb11

      How about reaching their 2014 C / F levels? I’d argue that that’s a better measuring stick.

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

        If THAT is the measuring stick and the level of play desired, FUCK!!!

        • ballyb11

          The truth is sometimes a bitter pill to swallow.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            Actually here you go, Hawks Playoff Games CF%/FF%, exceed their CF%/FF% AVG from 1-1-2014 to End of Season. 40 games
            ALL
            CF 1 of 10
            FF 2 of 10
            5v5 Close
            CF 2 of 10
            FF 3 of 10
            5v5 tied
            CF 4 of 10
            FF 6 of 10

            Close-Tied total
            CF 6 of 20
            FF 9 of 20

            Hawks record when Exceeding 2nd half Season AVG
            ALL
            CF 1-0
            FF 1-1
            5v5 Close
            CF 2-0
            FF 2-1
            5v5 Tied
            CF 4-0
            FF 5-1

            Even by the 2nd half numbers, the Hawks are seriously lagging. Out of 60 total chances to meet that AVG, they did ONLY 18 times, 30% of the time.
            .
            They have only managed to match the 2nd half of the season possession levels 30% of the time so far these playoffs, that IS TERRIBAD!!!!

          • ballyb11

            Thanks for your effort putting that together. Only time will tell.

    • laaarmer

      You want to know the real reason they lost and how they will increase their Fensi pdo’s?

      Change the plan. Trying to stretch out the Wild is a good plan. It should work, but it isn’t. Not when they press and not when they trap. So, just play simple breakout hockey, weave through the NZ, carry when it;s available, and dump when it’s not. Press the Wild almost all the time. Put maximum pressure on them and see if anybody not names Suter can hold the puck. Even Suter will cough it up. Lastly, shoot the puck all the time.

      In the words of Alec Baldwin. “Always be shooting”

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

        First off, fuck Arec Bardwin

        Second, I am not sure what it will take, but I like your suggestion, but whatever it DOES take it needs to get done, and get done fast.

        • laaarmer

          Best of 3 series.

          I think every player on the Hawks knows how to break a press and beat a trap.
          20 shots is not going to cut it. 30 shots and you will likely win against MN.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            Yes it does which requires a Fenwick event which requires a Corsi Event which have been totally lacking per their norm!

          • laaarmer

            The event is not the underlying problem, I think you understand this. They could fire shots at Bryz from the red line and it ain’t going to help, even though it will raise their even meaningless numbers. Their strategy to get to the event is what needs to change.
            I keep saying that the play drives the stats that you guys get jacked up (off) over. The reason they lost was not simply a lack of “events”.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            You are right. I am not as versed at the “HOW” I just know it needs to be done. A Corsi Event from Center Ice, you are right is crap. But the Volume and the Bias is not at all were it needs to be, and it has not been. It was bouyed by both a great SH% and SV%. All it takes is for one of the two to drop and the flaw is exposed. SV% dropped, Volume and Bias did not change, and the results are clear.
            .
            What ever it takes, they need to increase the Volume and increase their bias. The NZ transition is killing them, Zone entry is shoty and they are not setting up good shop in the OZ when they do gain entry. The DZ looks fine for the most part.

          • laaarmer

            But why were they getting great scoring chances and limiting quality scoring chances, which is what your getting at.

            The change is philosophical, which Q has been around long enough to see. The reason I say weave through the NZ is just this. MN has the stretch covered and is outnumbering through in the D zone and the NZ. It doesn’t necessaripy have to be a std weave as there are lots of ways to accomplish what I’m getting at, which is puck support – Front and backside support. For example, if Saad pushes the puck too far ahead (like he wants to do) and the MN D pokes the puck, one of his line mates should be following to retrieve the puck, or pressure them if their D gains possession. At the same time, another should be front side support. This takes away some of the pressure right on the puck. Makes it a one on one rather than one on 2.
            In the D zone, certain lines should stretch and others should breakout lower. Change it up. make them react.

            This is why I watch these games. Q had a plan which MN has reacted to. Q will have a new plan, or he’ll keep the same one and wait for MN to break. It’s interesting to watch this to me.

  • wowwowweewoo

    Dead horse you say? Ok, I’ll beat it. Handzus is a major problem in this series, I actually didn’t mind him so much against St. Louis, and if we got to the Kings, he wouldn’t be a liability against them either. Minnesota is fast, really fast. We have to skate with them, and we have to be able to roll 4 lines so the next shift starts with the puck instead of chasing. The Wild are played great in all 3 zones in both their games at home, but the only way we can legitimately stymie them is in waves, #4FTW

  • Bobby Otter

    I think the Hawks will win the series, I wasn’t worried before last nights game so why worry now?, and I was totally fine with how they played in Game 3.

    But they got skated out of the building for the most part yesterday. It’s weird to see the Hawks get beat, since most of the time if they lose it’s because of a weird bounce/luck/randomness. But they got beat last night.

    I’m with FF, we’ve got a Toews game and just general Hawks being better. They’re much more likely to play like they did in the first nine games of the playoffs than they did last night tomorrow and going forward.

  • Stockroom Snail

    I think the Hawks will probably win this series but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t worried about their cup chances. The depth issues and the lack of “that” gear concern me.

    …but I never give up on a team with Toews (and his other elite friends). Not ever. I may worry, but I never lose faith.

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

    FIRE!!!

  • Bill Mazur

    Surprised no one has mentioned how awful Roscival looked last night. Looks like he’s lost a step or is just gassed. We know Q loves him some Brookbank from time to time, so why not put him with Leddy?
    Regarding the never ending Bollig/4th line issues, I think the main problem is how this is taxing the top 3 lines, which really have been more like 2 lines plus a player or two since Shaw got injured. The myriad individual issues of playing Bollig and Nordstrom over Regin, Morin, et Al aside, it really wont matter at all if Q doesn’t trust whoever he puts in there. I’m afraid that even if most of us get what we want in a swap of Regin and Morin in for Nordstrom and Bollig permanently, it wont make a difference if Q only plays them 5 minutes a night.
    It also looked like Kane, Toews etc all were being double and triple shifted last night. I haven’t looked at the ice times, but it seems to me that another issue is fatigue rather than a lack of “will to win”. This too, would stem from the lack of rolling 4 lines. Maybe it’s more understandable with all the penalties the hawks are taking and the extra ice time Kane and Sharp can take from not killing penalties, but the eye test still makes it look bad to me.
    At least Sharp looked like he woke up a little last night. Go Hawks

    • Stockroom Snail

      He looked a fat person chasing their pet to try and get them in the house. It was not good.

    • laaarmer

      Here is a question for you.
      Lets say Q does the 4th line swap you ask for. Who’s minutes you taking away to put Regin and Morin out there and why?

      • lizmcneill

        Didn’t Kaner skate something like 23 minutes last night?

        • laaarmer

          No.
          24:01

      • TheFullAmonte

        How about Regin replaces Nordstrom and Versteeg plays on the third line until Shaw gets back? I would have 29-19-88, 10-28-81, 20-16-23, 11-12-52/26 depending on if there is a suspension. I just don’t want to see Morin on a line with Toews anymore (and I love Morin) or the Saad Kruger Kane line.

      • gwaricon

        an equal portion of all the others. the reason is to further rest the top 3 lines. this is not rocket science.

        • laaarmer

          They are getting rested. Too much rest. Look at the TOI for the playoffs and compare to the last game. Honestly, have a clue.

    • laaarmer

      Toews played 23:22 about normal, if not low
      Kane 24:01
      Saad 16:27
      Hossa 19:17
      Sharp 16:30

      If anything, they needed to play more.

      • Bill Mazur

        Kane’s average ice time last playoffs – 20:56

        Toews average last playoffs – 21:20

        Those extra minutes might not seem like a lot, but I tend to believe they’re taking a toll, especially if a disproportionate amount came in the third period (unverified).

        I do agree that Sharp especially could have handled more minutes with the way he seemed to actually have “jump” (please pardon the cliche term).

        As for whose minutes Regin and Morin would take away, I’d say a little from the rest of the team, to get all of them around 8 – 9 minutes total. Taking at least semi regular shifts will help keep the rest of of the team fresher for for the entire game

        • laaarmer

          Bill, if you think Mr Regin is the guy that saves this series, you can join him on the golf course next week.

          Hossa and Sharp were below their CURRENT playoff avg TOI. Kane and Toews above, Kane by more than Toews.

          If you are behind and not putting Hossa, Sharp, and bickell as well as Toews and Kane out more often, something is wrong. Kane does not play PK, but neither does Sharp. Sharp can handle the beating, as can Hossa. They should have been at 21 or more minutes.

          Shaw is not this good of a player that his absence should matter.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            Is Regin THE savior, No. Is he part of the correction needed, he just might be!
            .
            The problem is not singular, it is multi-faceted and Regin could be part of unfucking it!

          • laaarmer

            Versteeg is more of a solution than Mr Regin

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            Regin>Nordstrum>Bollig

          • laaarmer

            Vesteeg is better than all of them combined.
            Shaw is out/not playing. he skates 15 minutes per game. Who replaced him in the lineup? Oh and Versteeg who skates 13 or so minutes is also not in the lineup. Who replaced him?

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            I have no issue with Versteeg in a role like that, I am comparing Regin to Bollig-Morin-Nordstrum. I would like to see Regin over them for once. Versteeg, not so much.

          • laaarmer

            So you swap Bollig (who is going to be out for a few anyway with Regin. He plays 7 minutes, let’s say. Who is taking up Shaw and Versteegs minutes? It wasn’t Sharp and Hossa. Kane got 2.5 extra and Toews 1. Kruger got :30 extra . Bickell 2 extra, etc, etc, etc.

            With Shaw out, Versteeg has to play. You can replace Bollig Nordstrom with whoever you want for their 5-7 minutes. You have to win games and score goals. If your #1 pont guy is sitting, it’s a bad plan and will effect your resulting precious Corwick PDO’s

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            Where do you get I want Versteeg to sit? I want Regin over Bollig-Morin-Nordstrum for a change!!!

          • laaarmer

            I never said you wanted him to sit. He is sitting for some bizarre reason, which most around here thought was a great idea.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            I prefer Versteeg over Morin-Nodrstrum-Bollig AND Regin. He is a known. From there, Regin played fairly well, Why the Hell a Green Fucking Rookie or two is playing over him, I am lost on, and Bollig makes my head hurt. Regin and Versteeg playing SHOULD help lower the TOI for the Top 6, to save them for the end of game push and deep run.

          • ballyb11

            Dump Morin already??

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            Dump??? No, simply play Regin over Morin. Morin has potential, but shit, he is still cutting his teeth in the NHL, the playoffs may not be the best time for that!

          • ballyb11

            Sorry, prior to weds, there unending cries “Morin, Morin, Morin”.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            Morin over Bollig, yeah. Morin over Regin, I am not a huge fan of that.

          • XMF

            Only from people you were focusing on. Not everyone here was convinced Morin was a good fit to replace usual suspects like Versteeg and Bollig.

          • ballyb11

            Most.

          • laaarmer

            Let me put this another way.
            Kane skated about 2.5 extra minutes last night. Both Hossa and Sharp skated that much less. Of these three, which one is considered a possession monster? Shooting monster? Defensive liability albeit offensive player?

            in addition to MN playing well, we have the wrong players on the ice.

          • neo1978

            Toews lost the possession battle last game. And lost badly. I would be shocked if Hossa isn’t playing on his line next game.

          • Bill Mazur

            I think we’re more on the same page than you think. I just said that Sharp should have been played more, and I agree that Hossa could easily have played around 21.

            Go back to my initial post. I said the problem isn’t the 4th line personnel per se, but Q’s lack of trust and willingness to give them regular shifts, leading to over-taxing the rest of the team. As such, I don’t think Regin is the Savior, but he’s a better option than Bollig and maybe by some miracle Q will skate the 4th line more.

            I also think Sharp could play the PK like in the past, but that’s not necessary the way they’re playing.

            Shaw is important in that he skates a regular shift. The whole point of my post was that too much is being asked of too few players. It’s a trend that will only get worse the longer it continues. The Wild are a quick team that makes opponents skate a lot. This just exacerbates the problem.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            Shaw may not be that good, but he does not have to be. He could simply add another strong and viable dynamic while he is on the ice that has to be accounted for, his crease area play. If this pulls a Defensive player closer to the crease, it opens ice up for the rest, this helps out the other skater, and he does not even have to touch the puck

          • Waylon

            I agree that Shaw’s absence is noticeable, but every team has injuries that they eventually have to overcome at some point during the playoffs. If any of the players believe that justifies their performance over the last two games, they’re delusional. It’s always a war of attrition.

        • ChicagoNativeSon

          First off, let me say that I will never believe that a few extra minutes during a short stretch to an elite athlete will adversely affect him.

          Second, you wrote “those extra minutes”. Did you mean “minute” as in 1? Because that’s all he’s getting overall compared to last season.

          It’s ridiculous to make an argument based on 1 single game. You therefore want Q to bench Toews as soon as his ice time hits 21:20. You can’t have it both ways if you’re going to bitch over one. single. game’s TOI. Variance.

          Also, there was a certain 3OT game that threw off everyone’s ice time (except Bollig’s). Here are Toews’ ice times from the 5 games prior to Friday:

          19:56
          16:55
          19:38
          20:13
          20:36

          Like laarmer stated, maybe he needs to be playing more.

          • Bill Mazur

            Ok, no need to get angry or spin my words. I’m not bitching or clamoring for Toews to get benched like you ridiculously claim I am. I merely said that the extra minutes (plural) MIGHT be taking a toll, primarily if the majority are coming in the form of double shifts in the final period. Check your numbers before responding next time – 21:20 was Toews average last playoffs – I merely observed that he played around 3 more minutes than average last game, and those seemed to come in the third period and and at the expense of guys like Sharp and Hossa. You have every right to disagree, that’s why I posed it as a matter for discussion. Of course I agree that you play your best players more when the team is down a goal or two, for you to suggest suggest that I’m claiming to want a hard cap on players’ minutes is ludicrous.

            I’m not claiming this is the reason for the series going he way it has. I’m only suggesting that it might explain why they looked a bit gassed in the third. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with using one game to make a statement on that same exact game, but thanks for your comments nonetheless.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Wasn’t angry. Check my numbers before responding next time? Um, I used yours.
            Again, you were claiming that fatigue might be the issue. I showed that the minutes – except for one game – really have been fine.
            Go Hawks.

          • Bill Mazur

            No, you used 1 number I cited and out of context to boot. It’s fine if you disagree that the 3 extra minutes Toews and Kane played in Game 4 made no difference given ice times from prior games, but I tend to believe that when those extra minutes come largely in the 3rd period and in the form of double shifts, they took a toll and the overall total for the game matters less. For example, Kane played 9 minutes in the 3rd of Game 4.
            Moreover, I think to a certain extent we all saw what a difference rolling 4 lines and allowing for more balanced ice times does to the Hawks’ game. Toews had 18:45 last night (only Handzus(!) had more with just over 19 mins). I know it’s not the end-all be-all, but I think it’s not something to be ignored.
            In any event, this has been a lively discussion, and I’m sure we can agree that seeing a win last night was a welcome sight. Cheers

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

    Kinda OT, A couple weeks back, some of us discussed excel RNG and issues I was having in a SIM.
    .
    It WAS the excel RNG, I ran all categories individually and got expected results. when the same formulas were run in the Monte Carlo, (7220 rows by about 160 columns of calculations) with 72,000 to 129,000 RAND() cells, the RNG failed to produce expected results. At times the rate of occurrence was 100% above or 50% of ideal.
    .
    So if anybody builds a large Monte Carlo on excel, the RAND() function has inherent limits. I am still trying to figure a viable workaround, so far with no joy.

  • laaarmer

    Since there are no comments I’ll add mine.
    Ditto except for the stop sign on the kids jerseys. Nobody in Michigan has a stop sign. It’s an Illinois/Canada thing.

    • Preacher

      They’re here in Wisconsin too. At least on some of the teams.

  • laaarmer

    It is all about the 4th line I tell you. The 4th line is the key to Nirvana.

    • laaarmer

      Oh,and how about the Versteeg getting benched idea? He sucks.

    • XMF

      Stop being a Curmudgeon. There isn’t a Sliver of truth in your Territorial Pissings.

      • laaarmer

        Eat it

        • XMF

          It’s ok to eat fish because they don’t have any feelings.

          • laaarmer

            Striped bass. (4th line)

  • Fleshrifle

    Here is a little Sochi magic to spread on Ilya for Game 5.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QrHBUVEEkk

  • amontesawesome

    the blackhawks are losing because of a lack of depth.

    (Through the first 10 playoff games in 2013 the 3 departed Hawks players [VS, DB, MF] combined for 3 points)

    The same players are not performing identically to how they performed in the past? SOMEONE MUST GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. Quick, someone get Adrian Dater to explain this to me.

    Variance, guys.

    • lizmcneill

      Bolly and Fro weren’t there to score, they were 2/3 of the checking line. This year you have Saad/Ben there instead, and the 4th line isn’t doing much of anything. Even if Saad/Shaw/Stals weren’t scoring that was a pain of a line to have to deal with. Nordy et al, not so much.

      • neo1978

        In my opinion that has been the difference so far. Even though he was obviously hurt, when Q needed him, Bolland was still there to occasionally take over for Toews against the other teams top line. And every once in a while he gave you a Dave Fucking Bolland moment. So the Hawks had three centers, Q could rely on when needed. Now he only has two…

        • laaarmer

          So far they are tied 2-2 in the 2nd round. This thing is not over by a long way.

          • neo1978

            Who said otherwise?

        • VerStig

          So Bolly allowed us to get by without a bona fide 2C?

          • neo1978

            To a certain extent, yes. Handzus was playing higher competition last season on the Hawks second line but mostly in offensive zone situations. Without that pure shutdown line, Zus is playing in more defensive zone draws. And Toews is way above the other two lines in taking the main opponent line.

        • lizmcneill

          Yeah. Kruger can now do a lot of what Bolly did, but he can’t do what Bolly did AND what he did last year.

          I bet Q wishes he could skate:
          29-19-88
          10-19-81
          20-16-11
          28-16-88

  • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

    I wonder if the Players or Mangement ever happen to read sites like this one. And if they do, who pays for their shrink?

    • XMF

      If they are indeed reading, they’re probably wondering the same about some of the members of the Commentariat.

      • neo1978

        They don’t read these sites. You know this because the idiot that called Bollig a “turd” is still alive…

  • beefman73

    Never thought the hawks would get outplayed this bad vs. the wild, no disrespect to the wild, I think they’re a strong squad but the stats are a shock to be honest.
    To me it’s simply how bad do the hawks want to repeat as champs this year, the last 2 games the hawks have looked disinterested.

    • Waylon

      TWTW!

  • XMF

    Q does a few things very well in comparison to his fellow league head coaches, in my opinion:

    1. Adjustments. When things spin wildly out of control, Q is among the best at juggling everything (personnel, game plans, etc) back into place to both fix the issue on the Hawks’ side as well as counter the adjustments of his opponent.

    2. Motivation (intangible). Q is almost the preeminent master at shaking individual players out of their poor habits and placing them back in a spot where they can regain confidence. See: Saad.

    3. Game planning. We have a home game next. Q’s match-ups and line changes will be something to watch. And by ‘something’, I mean ‘Something’. Hint: watch his damn line changes and how he offsets the quickness and speed of the Wild up front with guys like Smith and Saad.

    I don’t know. Maybe it’s the incorrigible and never-ending panic attacks that each loss elicits from Hawkdom that have worn me down and built up my immunity. But I’m simply not concerned.

    • Hawkeytalk

      Agreed. But if there is another bed-shitting, that’s gonna be one crowded ledge.

      • XMF

        Much easier way in which to dump the dead weight.

  • Hawkeytalk

    http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=616248&lang=en

    Thanks NHL! Couldn’t have made it 3?

    • laaarmer

      What is the news on Ballard?

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

        He lived

        • laaarmer

          I know that, but is he listening to Classical or Thrash metal right now. His face went right into the galss.

        • Joe Banks

          Was he in a Subaru?

      • grapes

        Didn’t travel to Chicago, already ruled out tomorrow.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      Woo-hoo! We’re winning in suspensions so far.

      • Hawkeytalk

        Already, this is not a team I’m proud of. Two bad, dumb hits in two series. We’re better than that.

        • laaarmer

          I’m proud of them. They are fucking great. Cooke doesn’t play for them. he’s done it more than 2x and ended a guys career.

          You guys are unreal sometimes

          • Hawkeytalk

            Larms, you know I love you. But already the team this year is dirtier than either of the cup winning teams. Do I want them to win? Of course. But not “ugly”, and I don’t think you do either.

            Happy Mother’s Day to all of the mothers.

            Edit: and fuck Cooke. That guy sucks.

          • laaarmer

            How are they dirtier than any other team they have played? Because they got suspended? Cooke got 7 games. Who else on the Hawks is dirty? You think Seabrook is dirtier than Backes? Bollig than Cooke?

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Two bad dumb hits, it’s true. Every team makes the odd trangression, though. At least we’re not spearing players in the stones.

    • AlMelgard

      Addition by subtraction…

      • DJ

        Q-proofing the roster.

        • laaarmer

          Brookbank could still take his spot

          • YoAdrienne

            I have a feeling he might be taking Rozival’s spot.

          • laaarmer

            Good for me

          • Iaaarmer

            Are you Brookbank ?

          • laaarmer

            Maybe

          • YoAdrienne

            After the way Rozie played last night, me, too.

          • Joe Banks

            Wow! – did he look bad… poor Rozie.

        • XMF

          Please, go on…

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

        The last time the Hawks a player suspended, they won 6 straight!

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

      The short version
      DOPS; Bollig was a dumb Fuck, no excuses. Time out – 2 games!

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    The Wild have surprised me; they really shouldn’t have. The surprise was possibly mostly a result of knowing their tops guys well and their others almost not at all. But here: they’ve allowed only 23 shots (or less) in 8 of their 10 games. 8! That is STUPID good. It’s ridiculous to imagine that we should be mirroring our possession numbers from the regular season. That makes zero sense. These are two excellent teams we’ve played.

    This isn’t a situation where we should just be doing what we do best … and then win. We’ve played 10 games against 2 excellent teams and we’re 6-4. Sounds about right to me. In retrospect, it’s about what could best be expected unless you add in some good luck. Give me 10 more games and I’d expect to be 6-4 again. Give me three and I’d expect to eke out wins in 2. These next three games will be good fights, we’ll need some luck, we’ll need Crawford to be better than last night, and I’m fucking relieved that 2 of the games will be at the UC.

    • Iaaarmer

      I agree with my fellow Tundran.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Once a voyageur always a voyageur.

    • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

      It’s ridiculous to imagine that we should be mirroring our possession numbers from the regular season. That makes zero sense.

      No it is not ridiculous to assume a team with High CF% would do well against one that had poor CF%. MIN was under 49% in All-Close-Tied for the season, it is NOT unreasonable to think a team that was over 54.9 in all those should hold a distinct Possession advantage. It is more unreasonable to think the lesser team would throttle them as they have to the tune the Hawks are only 46.7 vs them in all.
      .
      STL was also behind the Hawks in possession stats, and the Hawks won 4-2. So it is in NO WAY unreasonable to assume or suggest that the team with better possession stats over the course of 10 games, might actually have an at least net if not a substantial positive in CF after 10 games. they do hold a 51.5 in 5v5 Tied, but that is well below the season AVG of 55.9 and are only 49.6 to MIN. MIN had season CF at 47.1.
      .
      How is it unreasonable to think the Hawks should be smoking them in CF% and FF%?

      • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

        Additional in Volume, MIN had more against than the Hawks, STL also had more against, so in the aspect of Volume and Bias, the Hawks by all means should be killing Corsi and Fenwick, not sucking shit through a straw on it!

        • laaarmer

          Have you enjoyed the games?

          • laaarmer

            on two
            ready
            break

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            The wins yes!
            .
            So looking at stats is bad? Well, with the way you talk about them, I already know the answer.

          • laaarmer

            I didn’t say it as bad to look at the stats.

            These are good hockey games. MN is doing good things and it is cool to see that. It sucks that my team lost 2 games in a row after winning 6 straight. I could focus on something that is negative and keep spewing shit about it over and over and over until I don’t even know what I’m saying, without EVER suggesting something they could do to remedy the thing I don’t like. I think I’ll watch and look to see what Q and the guys might try to do to get a better outcome. Their plan has been good, but MN has been better and still the series is tied 2-2. Our team is really good. They might surprise you, and I hope they do it with bad stats so you lose your mind trying to figure out how that happened.

          • http://www.our-founding.com/ Why? laaarmer (TMFF)

            I was unsure how to respond and still am maybe this is right, maybe saying nothing at all, IDK, but it is very obvious my opinion is both unpopular and not regarded in this matter. It is also not understood, certainly my inability to convey it fully.

            Early in the season I was the homer, over stating the Hawks now I am the negative Nancy, for not ignoring what I think is of concern.

            I am an arm chair coach, most of us are here. I do this for fun because I like the sport, I like the inner workings and the numbers aspect (which is fairly self evident). I come to places like this to engage with others who enjoy some of these things too, to go beyond the casual fans dialogue and have in depth discussions.
            .
            I am sorry my opinion somehow offended you or my contention somehow caused you pain. It was myself being the armchair coach I am presenting what I think is wrong. Sorry I do not have a solution how to fix it, but I did not think that was a reason not to point out is something is broke.
            .
            But it was this that struck me, as well as the amount of people that appear to agree with the statement.

            They might surprise you, and I hope they do it with bad stats so you lose your mind trying to figure out how that happened.

            The Hawks winning will not surprise me, even with crappy numbers, and I would not think twice to how they did it with them, it is all probabilities, nothing is certain. I am pretty sure this is a line I have maintained for a very long time, and in fact said just as much not more than a few hours in this very thread before you post here.
            .
            I am just trying to enjoy myself here, to get a break from the world I live in at times, to do somethings I enjoy (math, hockey, problem solving and photo editing all together is fabulous). I present these things to give another perspective, I do not expect everyone to agree or like them, discuss them sure or even just discount them. But I do it for enjoyment in the end, because I do enjoy breaking these numbers down further and further and further, just like I like making gifs or other pics or figuring out new ways to use the word Fuck.
            .
            But damn, outside trolls I do not think for a second I wanted others to not enjoy things here, especially at my doing. At times yes there is poking and prodding and aggravation and name calling and “I told you so’s”, but I do not recall a time, outside trolls, I wanted someone to not enjoy it here or to “lose their mind” for my enjoyment that that somehow makes me happy, I do not get.
            .
            I enjoy contributing here, for the most part, but that is when I think I am adding or contributing. But if that is not what is happening, I am not adding or contributing, I will back off and stop.

          • Iaaarmer

            I took it as a joke, nothing more. I agreed more with the rest of the statement, not the part you focused on.

            Keep doing what you are doing, I don’t think anyone here wants you to stop.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        The season’s possession numbers, for me, indicate where a team “is at”, generally speaking, going into the playoffs. High numbers correlate fairly closely to expected success, yes. To get a more nearly accurate picture of what any one team “should” be doing against any single other in the playoffs–then a more telling grouping of numbers would be CF%, etc., against only playoff teams. How did the Hawks numbers look against the top half of the league over the last half of the season? Because that’s who we’re playing now. Is it reasonable to suggest our possession numbers should be higher against the Wild? Sure, okay. But you’re latching onto a portion of my argument that really isn’t essential to what I’m saying. Because it’s just as reasonable to expect that they’d be exactly where they are.

        We’ve played 6 games against a team that got slightly better regular-season results than we did and 4 games against a team that got slightly worse results. Why should our possession numbers in 10 games against two excellent teams mirror what we did against the league over 82?

        • laaarmer

          Put it on the board

          YES!

        • ballyb11

          No mention of hunger?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            CF = Cheeseburgers For

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            I’m finally starting to understand some of these advanced metrics!

          • Joe Banks

            I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a Cheeseburger for today!

  • CozBullsFan

    Bollig gets 2 games per NHL.

    • Iaaarmer

      That is soooo 43 minutes ago.

      • laaarmer

        Brookbank will be playing forward for that stretch

        • Iaaarmer

          One other person is typing…

          • laaarmer

            Brookbanks mom?

          • Iaaarmer

            Menno says che is hot.

          • Joe Banks

            She is so hot.

          • Bruno_the_Blackhawk_Cat

            I keep hearing that, but nobody’s shown the proof.

          • CozBullsFan

            I haven’t seen a picture of her either.

          • Joe Banks

            OK, I’ll post it again…

        • Preacher

          This going to totally screw up our lines now.

          /sarcasm

        • D_Smith

          Q will be grabbing the line slot machine lever again

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          Not true. Khabi is gonna play forward for those 2 games.

      • CozBullsFan

        Don’t blame me, blame my NHL app!

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      That’s the best news I’ve heard in quite some time.

    • Joe Banks

      And Shaw still out… what did Bollig do that Stoner didn’t?
      Not leave his feet?

  • YoAdrienne
    • ballyb11

      SSS alert.

      • VerStig

        Sample size or no, that’s still a pretty incredible stat.

  • XMF

    It’s bizarre that so many Hawks fans are cheering a suspension.

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      I’m waiting to see if the other shoe drops (Brookbank to forward) before cheering anything.

    • Hawkeytalk

      XFM, he deserved the suspension. He sits. This is not a bad thing.

      • Why

        Different though. When Seabrook was suspended, there were some on the board that supported the suspension. There weren’t very many that thought the suspension would improve the team.

  • wanker751

    Over/under on the amount of times eddie tells us what a big loss bollig is for the hawks?

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Or which will he mention more: what a big loss Bollig is or how all the youngsters need to learn to keep their sticks on the ice.

      • wanker751

        Ooo that is a good 1!

  • VanDorp’sMullet

    Freakin’ Bruins. Fuck them.

    • GypsyDanger86

      They look really good. Wouldn’t be shocked if the EFC is a sweep again.

  • CozBullsFan

    OT, it was great to see Sam finally get the call. The guy can ball. That’s all that matters.

    • Bruno_the_Blackhawk_Cat

      You mean the football player, Michael Sam? Agreed; whether he can or can’t play, than let’s see him prove it on the field. I figured some team would pick him up. For every team that “might” have claimed some BS about being a distraction, there would be two teams that would love the good publicity. Wish the kid well. Otherwise, meh, I don’t give a crap about the Rams.

      • CozBullsFan

        Yup. That’s who I was talking about. Any claim of distraction is BS. When Collins signed, the media blitz was over fairly quickly.

        • TheFullAmonte

          To be fair ESPN does seem a lot more obsessed with him than Collins. I just hope he doesn’t get cut because then there will be loads of pointless speculation about whether or not it was performance related or sexual preference related.

          • CozBullsFan

            It’s ESPN. That’s all there is to say about that.

            If he gets cut because he didn’t have it, then no one can say otherwise. The only controversy will come from those that don’t watch or understand the game. The guy should have been drafted much earlier. The excuses were based around him being undersized for the position. If I knew what teams made that excuse, I would love to go back and see how many times they drafted players, despite those same reservations. I’m guessing everyone one of those teams have done it. The Bears did with Shea.

            He deserves a chance to prove himself like any other draft prospect. The fact that he was a DPoY in the SEC proves it. Look at the winners of that award the last 5 years and their draft position.

            Jarvis Jones – Drafted 1st round, 17th overall
            Morris Claiborne – Drafted 1st round, 6th overall
            Patrick Peterson – Drafted 1st round, 5th overall
            Rolando McClain – Drafted 1st round, 8th overall
            Eric Berry – Drafted 1st round,5th overall

            I expected as much from the NFL though.

          • Why

            A little silly to say that college success should guarantee a certain draft position. I doubt you would have suggested taking Sam over Clowney even though both are SEC defensive ends.

            But also yeah. He does deserve a chance to make a team. But as a projected seventh rounder, the draft was never going to decide whether that happens or not.

          • CozBullsFan

            The fact that the last 5 years of Defensive Player of the Year in the SEC guaranteed draft position proves my point. All first round picks. If Clowney was the better DE, why didn’t he get he get the DPoY award? Because he wasn’t. The reason he was drafted higher is his possible ceiling. He was a junior last year. Teams draft non-seniors based on potential growth. Sam proved he was the better player this year. I guess the rest of the NFL missed the memo on that one. Much like the NFL missed the memo on Rodgers.

          • Why

            Just to be clear, would you have drafted Sam over Clowney? Now I’m a little confused.

  • amontesawesome

    the hawks are flawed. and the reason they are in deep deep trouble now is that q and stanbow did nothing down the stretch to address those problems. they needed to be aggressive at the deadline like boston. boston would never be tied 2-2 against an inferior opponent in the second round.

    • Waylon

      Yeah…wut?

    • GypsyDanger86

      What a silly comment.

      Even a cursory glance at the underlying stats of the two teams would show that Boston has far outplayed the Hawks thus far in the post-season. The Hawks have had their head above water, what TWICE in the 10 games they’ve played? Boston has had strong Corsi and Fenwick numbers almost every game they’ve played.

      Never mind the eye-test, where no sane person watching both teams play this post-season could say the Hawks are anywhere near the same ballpark as the Bruins so far.

      Kudos to Carey Price for out-dueling Rask in net and stealing a few close games for his team, but the Bruins have been by far the better team territorially in every game in that series. The Hawks, by comparison, have been dreadful, and had the worse of the Corsi numbers even in the games they won.

      And yes, Boston’s depth has a lot to do with their quality of play. Or did you miss the Soderberg-Eriksson-Fraser line tearing apart the Habs tonight?

      The fact that the two teams have been tied 2-2 hardly demonstrates the two teams are on roughly equal footing. It’s a meaningless point of comparison.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        It was sarcasm, friend.

      • XMF
      • lizmcneill

        Actually the Hawks are still leading the Wild at score close even after that terrible game. There have been several games where they were trailing late where score effects failed to kick in…maybe they are tired?
        But the B’s aren’t really deeper than the Hawks on paper – Campbell and Thornton are not very good at hockey, Jordan Caron is still on the roster for some reason, and some Bruins fans were/are wanting Eriksson run out of town because “we aren’t playing him over 4M to be on the third line”.
        You would think that out of Bicks/Saad, Shaw, Versteeg, Smith/Zus, Kruger, Regin, Morin, and Nordstrom you could reasonably expect Q to build one checking and one sheltered scoring line, but it seems not.

    • laaarmer

      Deep Deep trouble.
      Mammoth cave.

  • laaarmer

    Wouldn’t want to play them in the next round, eh?
    #twitter’d (emphasis on the TWIT)

  • detroit must die

    I’m still not terribly worried. The only series in which this core group has never found a response in the latter stages of a series was ’09 against SCUM. And I attribute that to inexperience/ that SCUM team’s general excellence/Havlat getting his bell rung.

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    So is the only reason spurgeon didnt get a call because kruger played the rest of the game?

    Fucking bullshit. Fuck you NHL.

    • CozBullsFan

      I heard the reason for no call was that Kruger dodged the initial hit and it put him in the position to get elbowed and knee on knee’d. Right. A guy coming in with a chicken wing elbow leaning into the the hit is without blame. Ok NHL. Whatever you say.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        kruger didnt even really dodge…barely had time to react that was more resetting after dumping the puck.

        Fuck that noise.

        • CozBullsFan

          I agree with you. If you watch the replay, Spurgeon sees Kruger trying to dodge the hit and he reacts by adjusting his elbow to make contact. He actually extends his elbow. His knee on knee was just the icing on the cake. The new head of DoPS is no different than Shanaban. Same old shit. Pick and choose. No suspension for Lucic after a second spearing? At this point, I’d rather have a monkey making decisions based on what color his shit is today.

          • laaarmer

            We are the dirtiest team in history now.

  • Why

    So Pittsburgh was the only team to win 3 of first 4 in 2nd round? Huh.

  • XMF

    Screw you, Disqus. Complete fail.

    • GypsyDanger86

      I take it this means a response of yours disappeared as well?

      Two of mine are trapped somewhere in the ether. One a response to you, and another a response to putmeinthemadhouse. :(

      • XMF

        Disqus is not well liked among the Commentariat.

        • GypsyDanger86

          It’s not making a great first impression with me either.

          Ah well, I should head off the computer anyway. I’ll read that guide – anything in particular in there that relates to Amonte’s comment in particular?

          Cause it seemed to me that once you unwrapped the sarcasm from the argument, his point was ‘the criticisms of this team’s depth and failure to fill roster holes is invalid, because a team that made moves at the deadline and is considered deep is in exactly the same situation’.

          And my response was basically ‘a series being tied 2-2 means completely different things for a team that is owning in the underlying stats, vs a team that is getting owned in the underlying stats’. Basically, the status of the series doesn’t dismiss th issues with the quality of play.

          …I hope to hell this comment actually appears.

          Gnight

          • CozBullsFan

            His comment was sarcastic in that it’s something you would see from trolls, meatheads, or people that don’t understand the game. You will see a lot of that around here. We’re making fun of them. Heh.

          • Why

            Trade deadline is tough for the Hawks. Even Boston doesn’t have a similar amount of money wrapped up in a top couple of players.

            The plan appears to be to keep the top end guys and hope that young talent can fill in the gaps. It worked very well last year and has worked very well, for the most part, this year.

      • Why

        It keeps telling me your posts aren’t active.

        • XMF

          Same.

          • CozBullsFan

            Refresh. If that doesn’t work, clear your cache and close your browser. Disqus might be updating shit on the fly. Wouldn’t surprise me considering how much of a cluster fuck it is.

          • XMF

            But seriously, Disqus sucks.

          • CozBullsFan

            Better suck than blow.

        • GypsyDanger86

          That makes sense if the ones saying that to you are the same ones that aren’t appearing for me.

  • CozBullsFan

    Just noticed I hit 10k comments and 3k upboats. That’s crazy.

  • Hawkeytalk

    Does anyone think that after what happened in LA last night, we’ll see Raanta if crow gives up one or more questionable goals?

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      I think Crow would have to absolutely suck ass before we saw Raanta. Three/four even-strength goals in the first period sort of thing.

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    NHL used to have the best highlights going. Hits, saves, goals, etc. Straight from the game, no narrative overlay. Now it’s just women in make-up with babbling, repetitive, uncomfortable scripts trying to be sexy. Fucking idiotic. Like hockey? Wanna see what happened? Great! I’ll tell you in words while the pictures go. Oh, and here are my white teeth and my chest and how do you like my tan?

    • YoAdrienne

      Yeah. It’s sad that this kind of sex-oriented crap has creeped into hockey and its media, like it has in every other media outlet that isn’t PBS. And, to hell with us female fans. Where are the good-looking male hockey commentators, and the hunky, shirtless Ice Guys cleaning the UC ice? (I kid. I like my hockey without all that superficial crap.)

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        This is just it. And yeah, I don’t care whether it’s male or female models/announcers–I want to watch hockey highlights, that’s all, with at most the replay of the commentator as the plays are happening. I don’t want a talking-head sportscast, that can be had pretty much anywhere.

    • Preacher

      I do like Kathryn Tappen though. Good hockey knowledge and doesn’t come across as “Hey, look at me.” I believe she’s married to a minor league hockey player.

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        I don’t even know the names … and their real intelligence might be through the ceiling, I just don’t care for the scripted summary when what they had previously was so freaking great, just the original announcers calling the game. Plain, simple, perfect.

  • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

    I don’t know where to post this, the BotD or here. Both I guess:

    @mike_p_johnson: Looks like Peter Regin could be making his playoff debut tonight with Chicago.

    (from tsn)

    • YoAdrienne

      About fucking time.