Beyond Belief

I feel like I need to state at the top that I am hardly an expert. Not even close. What will follow, and really what will follow and pretty much has been going on here (despite whatever has been thrown at us) are simply fans like you trying to find anyway to get their arms around all this and comprehend what is going on. Today, that feels like a Herculean task at the very best.

By now you probably know the news, but a quick recap of the facts that we know. The lawyer for the accuser had a press conference, where he revealed that the rape kit, which is supposed to be sealed and inaccessible, was left at the accuser’s mother’s doorstep. The bag it was sealed in had been ripped open, which makes it clear (or very close to it) that it had been tampered with.

What all that means beyond… I and many others are having a hard time figuring out where the first step is.

When he first said that, I’m sure like many others I thought it was some sort of disgusting, sickening taunt or something to the accuser’s mother. However, the accuser’s attorney quickly made it seem as if this was a whistle-blowing gesture. Someone wanted them to know what had gone on with the evidence. I suppose this could twist and turn a few more times before it’s all through, but if that’s where this lawyer is going with it for now I guess that’s what we should go with? Again, I haven’t the slightest.

As I write this, and kind of expected. Kane’s lawyer is telling the Tribune that he has the most to lose over evidence tampering, because they can’t do their own testing now if it were to come to that. Obviously, no one knows what exactly went on, when it went on, and various other questions I can’t really process right now.

The accuser’s lawyer called for a separate investigation into this possible evidence tampering, and I guess that would be the FBI? I’m fairly certain that means that all of this can’t possibly be going away anytime soon, be it the investigation of Kane or the investigation of the investigation. The latter would certainly take months.

What we can safely guess, or close to, is that waters that were already seriously murky have become completely fucked. If evidence has been tampered and is therefore inadmissible, it brings us all farther from finding the truth. And there wasn’t all that big of a chance of getting to the truth as it was, whatever side you find yourself on, because of the nature of these cases to begin with. Essentially, the cloud may never go away.

I will step out on this, though. Those of us who said Kane shouldn’t be at camp, even though he has not been charged, did so partly because of the possibility of something truly fucked up becoming public and the Hawks and Kane now having to wear it even more. Well, it’s here. Whatever side is effected the most by this, and I’m sure that’s a healthy debate I in no way have the strength for right now, no one comes out looking good. You can’t come out on Friday and have both the Hawks and Kane say they trust the legal process, and then find out the legal process has been borked, and end up smelling like roses on the other side.

I will also say this. Even if you’ve been a staunch Kane defender or whatever else, please please take a moment and consider this just another example of the huge uphill climb any person claiming to be raped faces. It is more evidence of the incredible deck that is stacked against them, and her lawyer’s statements on what else she’s been through are as well. This is why us and so many others are so passionate about it. Just linger for a moment and understand. Understand the problem that it is and what we have to do to turn this around, even if it’s not this case. This is a discussion we really need to be having.

Ok, I’m going to leave the comments open. Please, please be respectful because the leash is going to be awfully short.

  • AdamGertz

    Anyone who has an opinion on this case other than “what an awful situation and I hope justice served” has formed their opinion on speculation and gut feeling. I wish that just once, people would let things play out before crucifying the accuser or the accused.

    • David Johnson

      This sums everything up perfectly. Well said.

    • Patorioto

      I wish certain members of the media could operate this way.

      • Black JEM

        Yeah – but that isn’t their strong suit – and a real reason for my disappointment with them.

    • fromheretoinfirmary

      Yes, but I think people’s problem with the way this whole thing has gone down is that, for other types of cases, or for cases involving normal people instead of superstar athletes, this is never the mentality. I believe JenLC said it on Twitter, but was this the tact you and the 14 people who up-voted you took when the boston marathon bomber was charged? Now I know Kane hasn’t been charged, but the analogy still applies. I’m not saying I necessarily disagree with you, but I don’t think this is as reasonable as an approach as you think. Did you feel the same way when Voynov was arrested, when Big Ben was investigated? Would you feel the same way if it was Backes? These are things to think about as you approach this case.

      • AdamGertz

        The Boston Marathon Bomber was positively identified by police via surveillance footage and after engaging in a shootout with them and was found wounded in a boat. He was also responsible for dozens of deaths and catastrophic injuries so it’s kind of a bullshit analogy if you ask me. She;s saying that we should assume guilt against someone who has been accused of rape when there is no evidence that a rape has occurred. That is ridiculous and dangerous.

        • fromheretoinfirmary

          I hear what you’re saying, and I definitely don’t think you’re an asshole and I have no problem per se with your approach to this whole thing. I actually believe I pointed out that I agree with you in many ways. But at the same time, people have been condemning this site for their coverage, because at times it hasn’t been “fair and balanced.” I’m just pointing out that the “let’s wait for all the facts” approach isn’t as fair and balanced as it seems. I find myself thinking the same thing, but then I think back to when I heard the Big Ben news (don’t even wanna try spelling his last name) and I wanted to send that guy up the river. Same with Kobe. I can’t speak for you or anyone else, but my gut just tells me that people, including myself, who say “waitfor the facts” are only doing it because its OUR guy this time. Again, I’m not saying you’re wrong or that I don’t feel the same way, but I just think its disingenuous to imply that this is any less biased than some of the coverage on here, thats all. No disrespect to you or anyone else.

          • AdamGertz

            Fels has been really fair with his coverage. McClure has gone a bit off the deep end in my opinion, which if that’s the route he wants to take then so be it. There has been a lot of media coverage, like noted troll engager Tim Graham from WGRZ in Buffalo and Chicago’s resident sports shouter/legal enthusiast Dan Bernstein who have taken it upon themselves to create their own rhetoric regarding the case. With Graham it’s especially dangerous because he is a journalist, a profession in which you are supposed to remain neutral. Bernstein however is a broadcaster, nothing more than a Rush Limbaugh for the sports world.

            With Roethlisberger (thanks google) and Kobe there was compelling evidence against them. Maybe it’s because I watched a lot of Judge Mills Lane when I was a youth, but I always try my best to withhold judgement.

            There has been a lot of stuff said by many people, some of whom I used to hold in high regard, that has made me want to bash my head in a cabinet throughout this debacle. I hope that it’s resolved soon and we find out what really happened, even though I know in the back of my mind this probably won’t be the case.

            Also, Alk3 hugs to you sir.

          • Sopel the catfish

            I too watched a lot of Judge Mills Lane, but I don’t think I can use what I watched to help with this situation

            http://cs6.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm_an/2015-04_3/14290392721647.gif

  • AB95

    Well, we now know a crime has been committed – evidence tampering. I suppose the next step is to worry about investigating that part of this situation and finding the perpetrator. Then the question is why they did it? Did they tamper to protect Kane? Did they tamper to hurt Kane? Did they tamper to protect the accuser? Did they tamper to hurt the accuser? Those enormously loaded questions need answers first.

    Above everything else, I hope that we can all put our faith in the process. It’s not perfect, but the legal system has more facts, more resources and more experience than any of us. Don’t point fingers at the victim or Kane because in all reality, you don’t know the whole story. Nobody knows the whole story, because if they did, the investigation would be over.

    • JustSaying15

      The police have proven to be backwards rednecks. Ditto the DA. I put no trust in them for either the victim nor Kaner.

  • JustSaying15

    Her attorney held out the “tainted physical evidence kit” in a nationally televised press conference where you could see her name, the date and where it was taken CLEAR AS DAY! Why on earth would you do it? Why would you also go in front of the press if you want a “outside investigation” since now, there is going to be nothing but more crazy speculation and leaks to the press.

    I want to be advocate for victims but her story really is losing more steam by the moment. I honestly think at this point her lawyers are trying to drag this out longer so they bash Kaner more so his camp gives and finally pays out with bags full of $$$.

    BTW Sam, Her hillbilly attorney never said he though the Kaner camp was behind it or more importantly, the reports of Kaner’s DNA only being on her shoulder and fingernails are 100% false did he? You really need to listen what is being said instead of jumping to conclusions.

    • Jim

      Really? Her name was on the bag? On television?

      Is this a mistake you think? Or something calculated by the lawyer?

      • JustSaying15

        Yep, CSN Chicago actually zoom in when he held it up having no idea her name was on it.

        I have no idea what her attorney was thinking other then he is an idiot really. If she was the victim of sexual assault either by Kaner or by someone else, then I feel even more sorry for her because her hillbilly attorney is guaranteeing no justice will ever be served.

        • Jim

          I want to believe it was a calculated move, to show the name. If it was an accident, how is he going to explain it to the client when the paparazzi shows up?

          • JustSaying15

            I don’t think her attorney is smart enough for that. I honestly feel bad for her. Her legal team will be studied for decades on what not to do in a highly public case.

          • Jim

            I read what happened is that the attorney held up the bag, and then the live shot caught it. But on the post conference still shots of the bag the names had been covered with marker (after they realized the mistake).

          • JustSaying15

            Again that is one of the dumbest things I ever seen but then again the whole press conference was start to finish. If you want the FBI or NY State DA to look into the case, you don’t call a press conference. You do that by calling them up the moment the mother found it and have them come over ASAP.

            Personally I think it’s now moving to civil which was always going to when you consider all the facts especially now after we found out her story changed, Kaner has been nothing but cooperative with authorities and his DNA was not found anywhere other then her shoulder and finger nails.

          • Black JEM

            If the police are telling the truth, and if the DNA report is correct – about other people’s DNA being in the wrong places but not Kane’s – the civil suit is over too.

          • JustSaying15

            Rape can still happen without DNA below the belt without any DNA. Problem is though either Kaner had the presence of mind to throw on a condom or he fires blanks. Possible sure but keep in mind both sides have admitted that Kaner “was too drunk to function” at the bar which was the reason she backtrack on her initial claim “he overpowered me” since witnesses on both sides said Kaner again was absolutely bombed at the bar. Ironic as it may be Kaner’s love affair with getting bombed beyond the point of functioning (how many times have we seen or heard this guy being carried out of a bar because he was too far gone to even walk) is going to be the thing that clears his name. Life truly is ironic!

          • Jim

            This looks to me more and more like a shakedown. Always follow the trail to who benefits. The girl is up for a big settlement, so the “evidence bag” incident was a benefit to her, because it calls the DNA evidence into question. And “coincidentally” the day before it was leaked that there was no Kane DNA below the belt, but that of 2 other men.

            Kane just wants this to go away. He feels the heat from the Blackhawks, the NHL, sponsers, etc. The girl wants to keep it a major circus to pressure Kane into paying her millions of dollars. The girl’s lawyer says he doesn’t want to settle. Well she likely has a second lawyer to do that by proxy.

          • meow

            when and how did her story change?

          • JustSaying15

            She originally stated that Kane “overpower her”. She has back off that claim when both sides admitted Kaner “was too drunk too function” by the time he left the bar. She originally stated that she “only went there because she did not want her friend to be alone”. She has also backed off that since it came out she was the one that wanted to go more to her friend based off statements made by witnesses and the other people present at the house.

          • Sarcastic Mike

            So you chastise Sam for “jumping to conclusions”, but after a single, very brief press conference you claim that the victim’s legal team “will be studied for decades on what not to do”?
            Riiiiiight.

          • JustSaying15

            It honestly looks worse this morning then yesterday. Ball game!

    • Harry Longwood

      If the alleged victim’s name weren’t on the bag, how would they tell it apart from the other rape kits? This isn’t some insidious plot; it’s labeling.

      • GavinJD

        Reference numbers. It’s a very common practice.

        • JustSaying15

          Yet her name was on it. Everyone just saw it on TV!

    • ExOnMS

      Huh? When did he ever jump to a conclusion? And why would the lawyer mention anything about a leaked DNA report?

      I can sort of see where your opinion about the settlement is coming from, it is just horribly well spoken.

      • JustSaying15

        He literally took every word of her hillbilly attorney as gospel, that’s why. More importantly, he suddenly believes Kaner’s “status” with the team is now changed. Again it doesn’t. That’s why.

        • ExOnMS

          What are you talking about? Did you even read the original post? When did he ever mention Kane’s status with the team changing.

  • ItalianBeef

    Well said, Sam. This is obviously a delicate topic with a very sharp twist thrown in and you did a good job of appraising all parties’ stakes in this. Big step up from what I’ve seen here as of late.

    • JustSaying15

      Not really no.

      • ItalianBeef

        Would you have preferred that he started dropping ‘Garbage Dick’ references, berate the readership in the comments for not adopting his view part & parcel and then scrub his meltdown & close the comments after the fact???
        I haven’t agreed with TCI’s approach to this case to this point but I can’t argue with any aspect of Sam’s posting here today.

        • JustSaying15

          Sam literally believed every word of her hillbilly lawyer’s story. I am saying how on earth can you do that and more importantly, this does not change Kaner’s status at all. Not a single percentage point. Kaner has not been charged with a crime. Until he does, he can play. Period.

          And like Kaner’s lawyer just said the DNA investigator for the police said Kaner’s DNA was not found anywhere below her waste and this was BEFORE the alleged tampering took place. Her lawyer did not dispute that nor did her lawyer accuse Patty’s camp of doing this. All he said was the alleged victim kit was delivered yesterday to her mom’s house. That’s all.

          • ItalianBeef

            I didn’t get the impression that he’s going with her lawyer’s take free of question. He stated that this does bring a cloud over things, which it does; that we’re likely further from knowing the truth because of this, which I also agree with and that this will likely become more about the investigation of the investigation than it will be about the original matter at hand.
            I was in support of the Hawks decision to let Kane play but the fact remains that, even if Kane’s people had nothing to do with this, that shade this throws on the case can’t be good for the Hawks and they did open themselves up to that by having him take the ice. Whether or not they are in the wrong for that, they did open themselves up to taking a hit for anything that couldn’t be accounted for before the fact. Like this.

          • JustSaying15

            No it doesn’t. All law enforcement officials say all evidence was handled properly and account for. So right now her attorney is saying everyone is out to get his client. Personally I think it’s some wacko playing a prank on her. Again I feel sorry for HER….her attorney is a complete and utter moron. That press conference completely backfired which is even more sad when you consider it had no real purpose other then to try and smear the Kane side of dirty pool.

        • Wadded Beef

          That was McClure, not Sam.

          • ItalianBeef

            I’m aware of that. I was just simply contrasting Sam’s piece this morning with what we’ve seen previously from TCI on this case.

          • Black JEM

            Of course if I understand correctly the police are disputing her attorney’s story.

          • ItalianBeef

            I don’t know that they are disputing his story because he hasn’t accused anyone specifically – but they have released a statement declaring that they followed protocol on their end of things.

          • Black JEM

            And that they can account for everything.

          • ToucanStubbs

            That’s the thing about having a blog with multiple authors.. They’re only as credible as their worst one.

  • Matt

    I put this on Twitter as well, but I just want to say this was one of your best posts. Sometimes I haven’t known what to think with the anger and emotion you’ve shown, but this article respectfully explains the emotions behind what you post as well as just being a reasoned, open, and honest post in general. Bravo.

  • GavinJD

    Something to keep in mind: the bag was not a resealable plastic bag, like we see on courtroom TV shows. It was some sort of brown paper bag. It’s entirely possible that the ONLY way to access the items inside for testing was to rip it open. It’s also very possible that it was accidentally ripped at some point.
    It’s beyond messed up that this wound up at the accuser’s mother’s doorstep, and it certainly raises a huge red flag, but it does not, itself, mean that the evidence was tampered with, or that the chain of custody was broken before testing.

    • JustSaying15

      It also had the victims name on it, clear as day held up to the world. Well done by her attorney!

  • Harry Longwood

    There is absolutely no way to put into words how unbelievably screwed up this investigation is becoming. “Quagmire” is probably the most charitable, although “Byzantine” might be closer.

    If somebody tampered with crucial evidence, it casts doubt beyond the principals of the investigation to the criminal justice system itself. For those that argue that the system is unfairly structured to begin with (as Fels and many others seem inclined to do), this is yet more corroborating evidence of inherent disparity. But more importantly, for those (like me) who prefer to withhold immediate judgment and put their faith in the ideal of procedural justice to discover the truth and mete out consequences as appropriate, this development irrevocably destroys any and all trust one could have in supposed “impartial” actors.

    TL;DR – fuck this, fuck everything, I want to go back to sleep.

    • MattC86

      This. On one hand, if the leaked reports of the rape kit testing negative for Kane’s DNA were accurate, you could see this being a ploy to keep the heat on, especially with settlement talks supposedly going on in the background; on the other, given how everybody’s handled this in upstate NY thus far, I can totally see this actually being either a staggering act of negligence by the authorities we hoped would produce some answers, or actual tampering, or who knows what.

      Hell, after that bullshit last week, I would probably believe it if it turned out McD himself had tampered with the evidence.

      No matter what happened, criminal or just drunk Kane assholeness, this girl’s life has been destroyed, and it’s not getting better. Which means (as a concern of the . . . oh, say 500th order by comparison, of course) that my ambiguity about the Hawks and disgust over Kane gets to go on indefinitely as well.

      I feel like it’s widely appreciated in this country that the scales of justice can be stacked for or against people depending on race, socioeconomic status, fame, or gender. And even then, when you start talking about evidence tampering, we’re beyond structural, systematic biases; we’re into the worlds of El Chapo, banana republics, and Putin’s cronies. Fuck this shit.

      • The Gatest Gamer

        “I feel like it’s widely appreciated in this country that the scales of justice can be stacked for or against people depending on race, socioeconomic status, fame, or gender.”

        Same as in any other country. Much less so than in most other countries, actually.

        • MattC86

          This true. It is also irrelevant to the matter at hand.

          • Black JEM

            AS was noted above – the police are disputing her lawyers directly. They say all evidence is properly sealed.

    • KEK

      Sad fact is that the legal system has always favored the rich (and lets be honest, it handles minorities of all types much differently then the majority). Kane is very rich and also because he is famous and very good at Hockey he will always have supporters. There has always been a segment of the Hawks fanbase that just enables the shit out of Kane. He is a human being, who has been violent in the past while intoxicated, has what appears to be a serious drinking (and possibly drug issue). This has always been in the realm of possibilities.

      How much of the team and the organization saw this type of behavior and did nothing. Has he ever been sent to treatment? It doesn’t seem like it. The longer you enable a person with the issues Kane has the worse the consequences will be.

      Is this messed up? Yes, but this is far from the first time that something like this has happened. The legal system always protects those who can afford it.

      I feel terrible for this victim and all victims. Having someone very close to me go through something very similar (including linked reports in her own student newspaper) I can tell you that it must be totally awful for her.

      I am assuming that either the FBI and/or District Attorney gets involved now. This isn’t going away for a long time.

      Frankly, I just want Kane fucking gone. I am done with him. We won the fucking Stanley Cup and then he brings this shit. At the very least, he should have known better then to bring these girls home and he also has a girlfriend. What good could come out of it?

    • Ted Matula

      not disagreeing with the sentiment, but just unnecessarily being a douchebag to disagree with the language. “Byzantine” suggests a complicated, non-transparent system . . . maybe the whole justice system itself may seem that to some. “Quagmire” suggests being stuck in a bind. I think “clusterf*ck” may work better in this case, but maybe something like “Nixonian” or “watergate-ish” . . . crimes against the justice system at it investigates crimes . . . public relations disasters . . .
      I mean, this has been bad, but hearing this news today tells me that this thing has flipped (jumped the shark?); it’s now become more than a “thing”; it’s going to be a long-running circus and the Blackhawks are looking very stupid for having Kane around the team (regardless of how it all works out in court).

  • Hawkhunter

    Been a reader for a while and never posted. Just enjoy the great Hawk talk.. What on earth is going on with this investigation. How did a rape kit, if it is the actual one, go from a Lab to any place but, back into evidence? I just have a feeling we are never going to get back to just Hockey and the Hawks. Damn

    • Jim

      I watched some of the first pre-season game, and Garbutt looked OK, Dano took a shot (ran into a guy 6′ 4″, and lost, Fels had a point about size being a possible issue), Darling looked good, the other goalie, not so much. Somebody else was wearing Versteeg’s 23 and kept missing the net….

  • bmarlowe

    Do we know if this is really “the” rape kit, or just “a” rape kit? I did not see the press conference. Is the accuser’s signature on it?

    • JustSaying15

      It had her name on it, clear as day. Her attorneys are about as moronic as you get.

      • bmarlowe

        You are missing the point, I know it had her name on it, but was her signature on it? Is this the actual kit from the case?

  • MattC86

    I think this piece sums it up best, that it just reduces the already small chance that we’ll ever figure out what the hell happened. Having spent the last almost two months not looking forward to hockey because of this, now it just continues. Oh, joy.

    Now I get to watch this guy play while detesting him, feel embarrassed to root for the team that I have loved all my life (and horrified at how they’ve handled this), and all while knowing that he may not have done anything criminal – regardless of how statistically unlikely that may be, or the fact that even if he didn’t do anything criminal, he certainly was an asshole helping to perpetuate hockey’s absolutely horrifying sexual entitlement culture – and that we’re never going to find out.

    • ExOnMS

      ” or the fact that even if he didn’t do anything criminal, he certainly
      was an asshole helping to perpetuate hockey’s absolutely horrifying
      sexual entitlement culture”

      Can you explain that one a bit? If he didn’t do anything criminal, than what horrifying sexual entitlement culture are you talking about? Getting drunk and having sex?

      • MattC86

        Two different things – Kane can be a drunk asshole, we’ve seen that before. That’s beyond question, and on its own doesn’t prevent me from rooting for him (as TCI has said when discussing defending him in the past). Given the context of the alleged incident, that seems pretty well established.

        As for hockey’s sexual entitlement culture (very similar to lacrosse’s), read up on this: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/09/06/salacious-details-emerge-from-hockey-subcommittee-reports/E7I6SS0sBHrNKeXVzY2b9N/story.html

        Which is the very definition of “tip of the iceberg.” If you’ve never been associated with junior hockey or college hockey, I’m not sure I can adequately explain how pervasive this is and how far beyond “boys will be boys” it is. Junior hockey puts kids in places where often they are the big fish in very small ponds, may not even be in school, and are basically told how great they are at all times while doing little other than playing hockey and drinking. Sexual assault results – hell, if I’m the best thing in this piece of shit town and every local girl is just a puck bunny hoping to sleep with a player on the team, there’s no such thing as “no.”

        My junior team in Ontario had a bar night almost every other week organized by the owner (who also owned the host bar) where he told the staff to keep out everybody who wasn’t either on the team or female. You can guess how that went. Were some willing and eager to sleep with the players? Sure. But I guarantee you plenty were not, and it didn’t make a difference at all in the eyes of most players.

        In Canada with the lower drinking age, this also led to a staggering amount of drunk driving, I might add.

        • Black JEM

          Yep – I’ll bet.

          I’m never going to get into a debate over the next to last paragraph. I would prefer none of it occurs. It happens in major college football – but also in the executive suites of certain businesses. Anywhere there is power or status together in one room it seems to attract a certain type of person, which despite all the studies I have ever seen on the topic specifying why it happens (women’s attraction to powerful men for instance) makes no sense to me.

          But that is the human condition.

    • ExOnMS

      And I’m not trying to come off as some sort of insensitive asshole, I’m actually curious…

      • MattC86

        I appreciate that – hopefully my response made clear I was trying to answer your question.

    • Black JEM

      I would say that your comment is not very generous. At best they tried to mutually get together – love that hook up culture. I wish that wasn’t the norm, but hey, I am just the old fogy trying to impose my puritanical mores on the new generation. LOL!! Now does it mean he didn’t do it. I still don’t know.

      As to statistics, it depends which ones you wish to follow – that many victims do not report their crime, or that surveys of percentages of women who have faced sexual assault are utter garbage and have been debunked.

      Kane may or may not be an asshole – I really don’t care. Odds are he probably is. The evidence increasingly looks like he didn’t do anything resembling sexual assault. If you are unwilling to consider that possibility, that is fine. The “horrifying sexual entitlement culture” is not what you think it is, and the people responsible for it are not who you think they are. I really wish everyone would take a deep breath. Soon we may find out whether Kane is a complete predator, or his accuser is a massive liar. Until we know, I’d like to keep my options open.

  • niuhuskie224

    I have a lot of thoughts and have never commented here so here it goes.

    1) The thing Patrick Kane is definately guilty of is the fuckiest of fucked up judgement. Even if innocent, don’t put yourself in this situation. It isn’t hard but for an immature fuck head, it appears it can be.

    2) I feel for this woman. I have no idea what happened as does nobody else, but if it is true, then she is certainly having the worst of it. It was an uphill battle to begin with. Now add this and it is even worse.

    3) Shame on this girls lawyers. To have her name for all to see is just amature hour. I know that this woman may not be rich and able to hire the highest price lawyers around but holy smokes this goes well beyond that.

    4) Agree or disagree with Kane being at camp, you have to own it now. You can’t go backwards. If a rape allegation wasn’t enough to keep him away, some people going rouge and doing this bullshit is outrageous.

    5) On the hockey side, it is hard to be excited for the season with this shit cloud hanging over everything but I think there is something to the idea that this is just a game and enjoy what you can. I won’t cheer Kaner for anything on an individual level (or will try not to) but the Hawks are still the team I cheer for and at the end of the day, I understand they are in this racket to make money. If Kane wasn’t the premier player he is he wouldn’t be there but he moves merchandise and helps the team win. If he gets charged, the average fan will be pissed at Kane, not the team. They recognized this and made the decisions they did. And if anyone thinks any other NHL team or pro franchise would be above this, you are mistaken.

    As they always say, bad PR is still good PR.

    • KEK

      Great post

    • Pilotefan

      Bingo !!!

  • KOfan

    Sam, you’re right about this type of case needing to be aired out in public and discussed. At this point, though, it feels like this isn’t the case to spur the conversation. This is on its way to becoming a smaller version of the OJ case where the real issue was spousal abuse but the freak show took over. Whatever happened that night is likely to be in a big, disfigured cloud from now on. The story will move away from the principles and become a soap opera. WTF

  • Tom Fergus

    I was a Kane supporter, but the fact that the accusers mother was chosen to give the evidence to really makes me wonder. I’m not passing any judgements and I’m still going to wait for the facts, but right now it seems like we’ll never get them.

    • GavinJD

      What does it make you wonder? I always enjoy baseless speculation, and I’ve done some of it myself. 🙂

      • Get some balls

        B/c nobody is going to question the mother. the more I think about this, the more doubts I have about this.

  • sec. 317

    “By now you probably know the news, but a quick recap of the facts that we know. The lawyer for the accuser had a press conference, where he revealed that the rape kit, which is supposed to be sealed and inaccessible, was left at the accuser’s mother’s doorstep.”

    I would like to point out, from my understanding this is incorrect. It was the BAG that held the rape kit which was deposited there, not the rape kit itself.

    • oldman

      That’s a major distinction. It was the bag, not the kit.

      Honestly, I think the accused’s lawyer is manipulating the situation to discredit the DNA evidence, which is reportedly favorable for Kane. If the Niagara Falls paper is to be believed, the evidence is highly embarrassing for the accused. Now the dominate narrative is the DNA testing is compromised.

      It’s seems like this a tempest in a teapot and not evidence of any tampering. Here’s my thoughts:

      Wouldn’t the kit have to be taken out of the bag to perform the DNA test?

      If the bag was tampered with before the DNA test, wouldn’t the tester have made note of the broken seal? That’s basic chain of custody stuff. Interesting to hear what the tester says about the integrity of the bag at the time of the test.

      Wouldn’t the rape kit then be resealed in a new evidence bag after the test?

      After the kit was resealed following testing, wouldn’t the empty bag get thrown out?

      This may just be someone dumpster diving and being an asshole to the accuser’s parents.

      • Jim

        The timing would support your theory.

      • KEK

        I suggest you read up on chain of custody. That bag is supposed to stay sealed and in the police department. Now that the chain of custody has been broken the evidence is dead. Remember the Ryan Braun case? He got away with PED use because the chain of custody was broke.

        The examination is done, then the seal is done. What we do not know is how it happened.

        Its actually more possible that the kit was removed and put into a new bag then the bag being thrown in the “dumpster”. Its not supposed to happen, but if you are going to tamper with something I’d guess you would try to hide it.

        • GoldenJet

          Interesting theory…the evidence is tampered with then put back in a fresh “kit bag”…the old kit bag gets tossed, garbage picked?, and makes it to mom’s door? Why not to this attorney?, the FBI?

          That’s where it stops making sense…if it ever made sense to begin with.

          • Get some balls

            It makes no sense. Two police agencies now (one independent) not confirm it’s all there.

        • oldman

          How do you perform DNA testing on evidence in a sealed bag?

  • Jim

    Kane is such a dumb shit, sorry. Helluva hockey player. When you are the biggest fish in the fishbowl (Buffalo), and represent multiple brands (NHL, BlackHawks, Chevy, EA Sports, Bauer, etc., etc.) you have forfeited the right to certain idiotic behaviors.

    And here we are.

  • Get some balls

    Kane’s attorney stated that the evidence was already tested. This was just the bag and not the evidence itself. Is the bag itself evidence? Where is the evidence? How do they know it was tampered with?

    Either way, its basically impossible to convict him now of rape. Even the finger nail stuff is bogus evidence. It’s back to “he said she said.” If it were to go to trial, the fact that evidence was tampered with is inadmissible as it could prejudice either side.

    We need to reserve judgment as to what happened. Either party could have benefited from doing this.

    But the drama will definitely continue, unfortunately no closure is in sight. If Kane is somehow tied to this, he is done, especially if FBI is involved. They could nail him with conspiracy.

  • wreckinball

    The person who whose case was going to be helped by the DNA evidence is the injured party.
    Its certainly not clear right now who that is. If you believe the leaks. It was Kane who was hurt. If you think the other way its the alleged victim
    Was a test done? The police need to come out on this. I think it was but the timeline from zero needs to re-established.
    The results of the test cannot be independently confirmed so I think the evidence is out.

    • Get some balls

      That is not necessarily true. If the reports that they found dna from two other people would hurt her in civil suit or settlement.

      • wreckinball

        Well I guess I was assuming the evidence was indeed tampered with.

  • Jim

    Huge Reddit thread on this matter

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/

    • blackhawkski

      of all places to go for reasonable discussion on a topic like this, the last place i’d think of is reddit.

      • Sopel the catfish

        It actually seems pretty civil and level headed for the most part, mostly just confusion and people upset with the situation

      • Jim

        I never really used reddit before much. Just saw a big thread an linked to it. Not much of substance there, as Sopel the Catfish points out, more confusion.

  • ItalianBeef

    Per the Hamburg PD’s Facebook page: “In regard to the information conveyed today by Mr. Thomas Eoannou, the Hamburg Police Department will cooperate with any authorized investigation regarding the handling of evidence and the procedure of such. That said, The Hamburg Police Department has documentation that unequivocally demonstrates that its handling of the evidence and the integrity of its chain of custody of evidence in this case is unassailable. As is policy with active investigations, there will be no further comment regarding this situation.”

    • GoldenJet

      …and the plot thickens…even more.

      • Jim

        I used to read this pulp novel detective series “Travis McGee” by John MacDonald.

        This Kane story is starting to remind me of one of these novels. I have a feeling this is going to get weirder.

        • Senator Blutarski

          Soon to be an episode of Law & Order, or as I refer to it “The Rich White Guy Did It”.

    • Oregon_hawk

      Two sides to that:

      It’s a pretty ballsy thing for the police to make that statement (i.e. “come investigate us, we’ve got our shit on lock”) if you don’t have the evidence that you’ve done nothing wrong.

      However, its INSANE to have a press conference alleging evidence tampering and mishandling if you don’t have concrete proof of that. Torpedoing your credibility to allege those sorts of misconduct, and be wrong.

      So… wtf?

      • ky-jellydonuts

        Because there’s multiple agencies involved. I don’t think Hamburg PD has their own crime lab and evidence facilities; I think they’re using Erie County’s. This is someone shouting NOT IT as quickly as possible.

        • cthrek

          According to John Glascott, the Erie County Commissioner of Central Police Services: “All evidence related to this case that was given to Erie County Central Police Services by the Town of Hamburg Police Department is accounted for and remains in its original packaging in the possession of Erie County Central Police Services. This includes the evidence in the rape kit and the packaging itself. This evidence has been analyzed and reports of that analysis sent to the appropriate agencies.” So, they’re also saying “Not It!”

          • ky-jellydonuts

            Not to get all Perry Mason here, but now the obvious thing to do is to analyze both bags for the nurse’s fingerprints, because the label has her initials on it as part of the chain of custody. My guess would be that one of those bags wasn’t touched.

        • Say Ramrod
    • wreckinball

      Quite a statement. Someone’s wrong.

      • Get some balls

        It’s a very strong statement.

      • Sopel the catfish

        Ky-jeylldonuts hit the nail on the head with his comment about them shouting “not it” for where the breach occured

  • CherryNYC

    Kane-related clicking around when the story first broke brought me to this site, and I think it’s great. You all seem cool.
    One thing Sam — I believe that it was just the ripped evidence bag left at the mother’s home – not the kit itself. (which begs the question – where the hell is it?). Correct me if I’m wrong. Regardless, the whole thing’s godawful.

  • KOfan

    Sam, I know you’ve complained about the Hawks allowing him at camp, but isn’t it almost a sure thing that the NHLPA would have interceded on his behalf. Very different circumstance than the Voynov deal re: the blood/physical evidence at crime scene. Wouldn’t they have been unable to stop him attending? Just curious (obviously, the class thing would’ve been him not coming on his own – if only for his teammates’ sakes)

  • Get some balls

    This would be a good way to get the investigation removed from Hamburg PD, especially after the news of the bad dna was reported (if accurate).

  • Bannerman

    Doesn’t the State of New York have it’s own Bureau of investigation? victim’s lawyer know the name of that agency? This doesn’t seem like a matter for the FBI since everything happened in New York. If the FBI does investigate this it will probably go faster as the FBI doesn’t mess around.

  • oldman

    This story really should be corrected. The rape kit was not left at her mother’s door. It was a bag that held the rape kit.

    There’s a big difference between those things.

  • HossasPierogi

    This case is turning into one of Tonya/Nancy proportions, with a dash of parochial Buffalo bullshit. The short answer is that this makes it more unlikely Kane gets charged, unless they link him to some kind of conspiracy. But he’s not that stupid. Is he? Who knows? This can be anything from a game changing event to a Hail Mary pass on behalf of the prosecution. But like Sam, I’m out of my element here. We’ll just have to wait and see.

    • Oldfarthawkfan

      I thought Tonya/Nancy myself. Whatever the outcome, this story is definitely ESPN 30 for 30 fodder. Sadly, I think Kane is that stupid. He was stupid enough to get himself into this situation,

      • wreckinball

        I can’t see where this reflects on Kane? He wasn’t in charge of the evidence.

        • HossasPierogi

          Only if he is shown to be connected with tampering.

          • wreckinball

            How would he get the rape kit? And how do you remove DNA from a sample? Seems pretty far fetched

          • HossasPierogi

            Far fetched yes — theoretically he would have “people” do the job for him. Yes, it’s sounding like a bad melodrama.

          • GoldenJet

            All the results of the tests had been completed…the results aren’t kept in an evidence rape kit bag.

          • HossasPierogi

            Yes, as I commented elsewhere, I would think the results of the rape kit would be documented electronically by the health provider — it’s not like the results are kept in a bag full of stuff

          • Jim

            ew

    • HawkIPA

      Either that, or a Coen Brothers movie. Incompetent/corrupt police, blowhard lawyers, scumbag associates, Buffalo pissing matches, evidence capers, on top of allegations of a grisly crime. This stuff gets more unbelievable by the day.

      • Bob in EP

        I was thinking along the lines of a Thomas Wolfe novel.

  • ItalianBeef

    WIVB-TV Channel 4 News out of Buffalo is reporting that Erie County Commissioner of Central Police Services says all evidence in the Kane case is accounted for in it’s original packaging.
    Perhaps this morning’s episode could be some kind of hoax?

    • Jim

      If this is a hoax, the accuser’s lawyer would look like a tool.

      Seriously, you couldn’t make this stuff up, it would not be credible.

      • ItalianBeef

        Agreed. Though, frankly, he already looks like a tool for having that bag being handled & passed around before it can be tested for evidence and also for allowing his client’s name (on the bag) to be zoomed in on & broadcast on national television.

        • Jim

          yes, I was trying to be diplomatic, but I’m afraid you are correct. Plus, he never specified the bag was empty.

        • HossasPierogi

          The press conference seemed to be more about protecting his reputation as an attorney than the interests of his client. With this press conference and the Blackhawks press conference, this case will probably go down in history as a case study on how not to do press conferences.

    • Andrew Heitman

      This sounds like someone harassing the victim…weirder and weirder.

  • wreckinball

    More and more its seeming like this guy is pulling a Johnny Cochrane move

    • HossasPierogi

      Yes, as other commenters have said, the best way to handle this would be to pull together a coalition including the law enforcement/health care providers to announce evidence tampering. Going out there alone with no support while getting real close to violating client privacy is suspect. We’ll see if he had good reason to do so.

      • HossasPierogi

        I’m also thinking that the health care provider would have a record of the rape kit results — isn’t this evidence documented electronically? Do you really need a bag of stuff?

        • wreckinball

          I had thought that the defense could request a re-test. But that may be just from watching TV.

          • Sopel the catfish

            My understanding is the defense can request that just about anything be retested by an “independent 3rd party”, although depending on what the request is a judge could feasibly deny it.

          • GoldenJet

            That’s what Kane’s atty, Cambria, said today. It takes away the opportunity to re-test.

  • Jim

    Good thing it wasn’t one of those bags you fill with dogshit, and then light it on fire, leave it on the doorstep, ring the doorbell, and run away. That would have been really bad.

  • GoldenJet

    This attorney had this info yesterday…the bag could have been there for a day or two before that(per the attorney)…Still, wouldn’t they have gotten confirmation whether evidence had actually been tampered with before having this press conference?…

    It would be more understandable if he’d have just come out and spoken about how shitty everyone is treating his client…to the point that someone garbage picked an old evidence bag out of the garbage and left it in his client’s mom’s door.

    Then, on top of it, to put the girl’s name out there on national television and to multiple reporters’ cameras and cell phones?!

    What a clusterfuck

  • Jim

    Oh Snap! I’m thinking the lawyer guy got pranked…

    Am I missing something here?

    https://twitter.com/markpoloncarz/status/646769921473572864/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    • Sopel the catfish

      Is there supposed to be a link or photo? I just see a few lines of blank space after “guy got pranked…”

  • wreckinball

    Based on the police statement everything is intact, test results are valid. Seems fairly easily provable. If the police are telling the truth the victim needs a new lawyer. This guy has no credibility. Also, it looks like the case is entering the flush stage.

  • GoldenJet

    It sure sounded like the atty was intimating that there could and probably are discussions going on behind closed doors that he’s not privy to…uh huh… because he doesn’t get involved in civil settlement discussions…he’s not that kind of atty.

  • Brandon Murray

    I made a post earlier & I can’t repeat it all because I’m exhausted. The only thing I’ll say is, we are dealing with 2 lawyers. Which means we’re dealing with 2 people who can & will & probably have done ANYTHING to win. If you are a male & you even defend Kane a smidge, you’re going to get roasted. The people who keep saying this girl (who is still anonymous) has had her life ruined forever may be right, bit if you check any social media or comment section, the named party (PK) is getting destroyed just as much. Maybe he deserves it, I don’t know. No one will ever win in this scenario. It’s easy for people to judge others but none of us will ever know what happened & these lawyers are turning this into a complete shit show while they get paid in full. This is getting more & more bizarre & in the end one of these parties will end up being nothing more than a devisnt liar who isn’t playing with a full deck. It’s just sad. I’m not rushing to take either side because it’s so screwed up from both ends.

    • Lionel Hutz

      Those who watched live said he lawyer did show her name on one of the labels… Great post.

      • HawkIPA

        God I hope no one caught that live. That’s the last thing this case needs.

        • Sopel the catfish

          It was clear enough to read from what I’ve heard, but then in the still photos they released afterward her name was blacked out

  • GoldenJet

    With all this talk of “kit bag”…how about a musical interlude…since I can’t get this song out of my head now:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4xjr9v5ehk

  • Johnny_Chicago

    Fels – you need to get a new “jump to conclusions” mat. Or just pry yourself away from this case – you’re too emotionally invested and your site is taking a hit because of it.

    • Sopel the catfish

      IMO Fels hasn’t been that bad

      • wreckinball

        Relative to McClure true
        But today’s revelation really doesn’t reflect at all on Kane or his innocence or guilt or the Hawks decision for him to join the team
        It is a defense lawyer accusing the police of mishandling evidence
        To transfer the issue to Kane or the Hawks makes no sense

        • HawkIPA

          I think Fels’ point is that this shit show circus has escalated beyond belief, and calls into question the Hawks decision to have Kane in camp while everything is blowing up in Buffalo, which will now follow the Hawks everywhere they go until this carnival comes to an end.

          • wreckinball

            So what would be the basis for the Hawks suspending Kane?
            That he went out partying? Half the team would be suspended for that. That he was accused of a crime?
            That’s all it is is an unproven accusation.
            There is no basis that would stand up if Kane challenged it

          • Get some balls

            If anything, it makes Kane look more truthful and discredits the other side.

          • Sopel the catfish

            It all comes back to the “distraction” clause or whatever it is about how the team and league can suspend a player. It would have been in their right to suspend him, the NHLPA would probably have fought it though.

          • HawkIPA

            Kane could have agreed to take a leave of absence with pay until the case resolved. He could have couched it in terms of avoiding a distraction for the team and respecting the legal process and everyone involved. That would have avoided any issues with the PA, and the Hawks and Kane would have come out looking better for it. The Hawks could have also acted as Sopel suggests. This wouldn’t be to suspend someone for “partying,” but to avoid the media circus that is sure to follow the Hawks wherever they go now.

          • ItalianBeef

            I think this will blow over faster than people think. It appears that the test results are in Kane’s favor & that the case is nearing it’s end and as the day goes on, it’s looking more & more as if the evidence was not compromised in any way but that this bag somehow found it’s way to the trash & then into the wrong hands after the evidence was re-bagged/transferred.

          • Lionel Hutz

            I believe the grand jury has not reconvened yet.

          • ItalianBeef

            It hasn’t but at this point, I would not be very surprised if it did not reconvene at all or if the DA makes sure it’s put out to pasture on account of lack of evidence.

          • Sopel the catfish

            Only problem with him taking a leave of absence is a whole hell of a lot of people would see that as an admission of guilt. I’d like to think it was something that he discussed with the team and his lawyer but that collectively they agreed no leave of absence was the best choice.
            Bit of a devil’s advocate idea here, but perhaps the lawyer knew his conference would create a shitstorm and did so with the intent of making it more of a distraction, maybe he is trying to make it a large show and get Kane suspsended?
            I seriously doubt that would actually be the case but crazier things have happened (like an evidence bag showing up)

          • ToucanStubbs

            How so? What does any of this have to do with training camp?

  • wreckinball

    At the moment this is a lawyer says police says argument. And if the police contention that all is well it should be easily verified.
    So get on with it

  • Jon

    Patiently awaiting the follow up article that highlights Cambria’s latest statements as well as Erie County’s claim that all evidence is sealed and accounted for…seems that around here the only developments that get their own dedicated articles are those that reflect poorly on Kane.

    TCI has taken a step up from the all out witch hunt of the last month, but there are more subtle ways to be biased.

    • Get some balls

      This could only hurt Kane, he would not have tampered with evidence. Today’s shenanigans could only help the alleged victim. Unfortunately, attorneys like this will use PR tactics to sink to the lowest levels of the earth. HPD and now Erie County confirm the evidence is in tact. It seems obvious that the alleged victim has something to hide. This entire thing is was farce from the get go when she tweeted about molly and deleted all her social media and had a lawyer hired the same day she was allegedly attacked. Now the whole thing is being exposed.

      • april o’neil

        It’s not strange or unusual for a victim to delete social media channels before a rape investigation moves forward. Rape victims often have their past behavior, comments, etc. combed for anything that can be used to discredit them. In a high profile case like this, it also offers people direct access to send hateful or threatening messages. No matter what the truth is, I don’t think it’s suspicious in the slightest that anyone involved in a rape investigation would delete all their social media. I certainly would.

        • Black JEM

          I would agree with that. But assuming we can trust the police department – this looks very badly on her. I hesitated to ever believe this was a setup. I am still reluctant to move in that direction. But this is a bad moment for her. I am assuming the grand jury is still convened?

        • Black JEM

          I would also note that in a case like the mattress girl at Columbia her social media was a treasure trove of information that essentially destroyed her story and is helping the accused in suing said university for their actions in that situation.

        • Skags

          Now I’m curious, because I find it very strange.

          Can you please share the source that says most rape victims delete their social media?

          • meow

            All the social media content can be subpoenaed. I am pretty sure they will do or have already done that as part of the investigation. It will be brought out at a GJ level (if it tends to exculpate him or lends credence to a possible motive on her part to lie).

          • april o’neil

            I didn’t say most rape victims, I said it’s not unusual. I doubt anyone has done research on that. I know several rape victims who shut down their social media accounts during the investigation/trial, either by deleting them entirely or making them completely private because they were getting harassed by their rapist’s friends.

            Again, not saying that Kane is guilty or anything like that. The original post I responded to used her deleted social media profiles as evidence of her orchestrating the whole thing. While it does seem weird for a LOT of reasons, I think her deleted social media profiles are the least strange thing. Just because her name isn’t necessarily public knowledge doesn’t mean that no one in Buffalo knows who she is.

      • Skags

        Agreed- this hurts Kane more than it hurts the victim.

      • Jim

        Wonder if all this would have happened if Kane wasn’t a high profile athlete with millions on the line. What if it was a guy making minimum wage on a loading dock?

        Kane is pretty dumb at the minimum. He thought the third cup made him teflon…he thought wrong…

  • TerryChicago

    I have not read all of the other comments (I just can’t spend much more time on this depressing situation)… so I apologize if this point has been made by others.

    These accusations are serious, and the reliability of the evidence is important. What I do not get is the point of the press conference, and I question the motivation of the lawyer who held the press conference. Without getting into my confusion as to why a criminal defense attorney is intimately involved in an ongoing prosecution inquiry, I don’t see how it helps the victim to bring all of this forth to the media (let alone being irresponsible enough to not remove the victim’s identifying info from the envelope that you are having plastered all over the media). All this does is cause further speculation and continue the systematic “victim bashing”, without in any way improving the prosecution’s case. I would love to hear what the prosecutor’s office’s take on this press conference is.

    In any event, this is a terrible situation for the victim, and it is objectively awful that there has been so much improper leaking and victim shaming. I just feel that bringing it to the media and providing additional juicy leads will not improve her situation (especially with her name now out there). It does, however, enable the attorney to get his face, name, and profile into the greater public in a case in which he otherwise would not really have an opportunity to do so.

    • bmarlowe

      alleged victim

      • TerryChicago

        true… not trying to make a point on the truthfulness of the allegations. It is just objectively bad that an alleged rape victim faces such intense scrutiny from those not involved in the case and without access to the facts.

  • wreckinball

    Victim bashing and accused bashing
    There is just a lot of bashing going around
    Is the evidence good ?
    Police say yes. Walk the lawyer through it !

  • Driller

    Well said. As I was driving today and listening to the press conference I saw a
    bumper sticker that was appropriate “Don’t confuse the news with the truth”

  • seabsrat

    This case has reached all new levels of FUBAR.

  • autismarmymom

    I don’t understand why people here are so readily accepting the story about Kane’s DNA not showing up anywhere in the rape kit. Wasn’t that just some leaked information? Did I miss something? How is that information so iron clad but the bag showing up on the doorstep so dubious?

    • ItalianBeef

      It was reported by multiple sources and was specifically mentioned & backed up by Cambria (Kane’s lawyer) in his statement after this morning’s presser. Coupled with the fact that we didn’t get any rebuttal of those reports from the accuser’s lawyer and because I have a hard time seeing Cambria go out of his way to confirm a false report, I’d put good money on those reports being 100% true.

      BTW, Cambria stated specifically that his client’s DNA was not found below the accuser’s waist and that his party is happy with the test results. I’m going to go out on a limb here & say that he got those results from someone in much higher standing than the Niagara Falls Reporter.

    • ItalianBeef

      Also, the bag appears dubious because the Hamburg PD & Erie County Central Police Commission both followed up immediately with statements declaring that protocol was followed and that all of the evidence is still present & accounted for. Appears highly likely that this bag ended up in the trash while the kit was transferred to a new bag at some point in the process.

  • WookRN

    Hey Fels.
    Thanks for letting us talk this through.

    Fellow drunks. Thanks for keeping it civil.

  • JoeGrant

    I humbly suggest that it is importance to distinguish being a “plaintiff” from being a “victim”. Learning whether or not she is a victim, and the defendant a “criminal”, is the essential question. Isn’t it? Either lawyer being scrupulous in evaluating the evidence is only doing their job. To call that bashing makes all lawyers suspect.

  • Skags

    “Even if you’ve been a staunch Kane defender or whatever else, please please take a moment and consider this just another example of the huge uphill climb any person claiming to be raped faces. It is more evidence of the incredible deck that is stacked against them, and her lawyer’s statements on what else she’s been through are as well. This is why us and so many others are so passionate about it. Just linger for a moment and understand. Understand the problem that it is and what we have to do to turn this around, even if it’s not this case.”

    Can you please pump the brakes for just second???

    1) This is more damaging to Kane, who is trying to prove his innocence against his accuser, than it is to his accuser.

    2) This is evidence of the huge uphill climb? As if this complete shitshow is somehow even remotely common. Come the fuck on already.

    Also, I find rather conspicious that you failed to report on or comment on
    the actual DNA findings. They found no traces of Kane’s DNA on her
    undergarments or genital area. But they did find DNA from two different individuals on her genitals. You can sure as shit bet that if they would have found Kane’s DNA, you abso-fucking-lutely would have led with that.

    This is playing out exactly as I thought. No matter what happens to him,
    no matter how cooky ass crazy this gets or potentially exonerating
    for him, these conspiracy theories and so-called victim blaming runs
    rampant. And never, not even for moment have you ever stopped
    for just one second, and pondered for yourself what this means for
    Kane if she’s lying. Either way, there is nothing wrong in waiting to
    see how it shakes out before going all in as strong as you and
    McClure have.

    • The Gatest Gamer

      Actually much bigger potential problem is how it would reflect on rape victims at large if she’s lying. I feel like the recent stream of shady rape stories in the media hasn’t really made bud light brahs more self aware. On the contrary, I feel it made douchemeisters more dismissive of legit rape victims.

  • Mambo Man

    Fake bag of rape?

  • Bob Lanz

    First Sam let me say I applaud you for just sharing with us without opinion. Second I continue to be impressed by your ability to trust us and learn from possible past mistakes and leaving the comments open. I am a self proclaimed liberal. I believe in equality, fairness and justice. One of the reasons why I am a proud Union member. I hate ism’s race, sex or otherwise. I hate bullies, and rich powerful entitled bullies piss me off the most. And as much as I believe in our legal system I hate the way victims seem to have less rights than the accused. With this all stated I do strongly believe in innocent until proven otherwise, there really is nothing nothing worse than an innocent person wrongly convicted. But right after that the next worse thing is someone guilty getting away with it cause of a technicality or tampering or abuse of the legal system in someway.
    I think after reading this you can see my personal delima. I want justice I want the truth and I want to move on after that. I am not ashamed to say I want Kane exonerated if he in fact is innocent, cause selfishly I get to continue to enjoy a special player play for my favorite team and that no rape occurred.
    I also realize just how hard it is for a rape victim to get justice, how the system is far from perfect how shaming and blame is so wrong how descrimination and prejudice destroy our trust and hurt all of us. I do my part everyday to fight against what I see is wrong… I come here for a little break from the harshness of life I come for the pure love of Blackhawks hockey. I miss that