• ballyb11

    2003 draft – impressive.

    Best draft by a team in the history of professional sports.

    1965 Chicago Bears

    Gale Sayers
    Dick Butkus
    Dick Gordon (an all pro receiver)

    • Korab22

      Upboat for Dick Gordon reference. I’m glad those #1 picks in 2006 and 2007 worked out because the rest of those picks surely did not. http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/draftstats.htm?year=All&round=All&team=CHI&location=/draft

      • Waylon

        Proving once again that it usually takes a degree of luck in order to draft true superstars. If the Hawks weren’t many degrees of suckitude during those seasons, then we may not be where we are today. But I also think that the current management will keep finding gems that others will miss (i.e. Saad), so that the current excellence now may continue into the future.

        • laaarmer

          How many degrees of luck are there?

          • Waylon

            As Korab noted, if the Hawks hadn’t drafted Toews and Kane, there would’ve been serious discussions about Tallon’s mental capacities. If memory serves, they were both consensus picks from almost any corner of opinion.

          • Korab22

            Hah! I don’t follow this as close as others so this is probably no newsflash to anyone here, but the BLUES could have picked Toews and drafted Erik Johnson. I love that and it fills in some of the holes regarding the “our captain is better than your captain shit”! Is Johnson any good?

          • Why

            Yeah, it was a defencemen before Toews. It seems like the smart move is to draft the forward (especially because it takes defencemen a little time to develop).

            I’d have a very hard time passing on MacKinnon right now, regardless of need.

          • zacked

            I disagree on the consensus. I own Future Greats and Heartbreaks, which was by a sportswriter who spends a season with the Blue Jackets scouts and management (who had the #6 pick in 2006). (I don’t agree with a lot of the guys’ analysis, and part of what I don’t agree with is how he talks about Toews).

            But regardless, it’s clear from the book that lots of scouts had questions about Toews. I don’t remember what the black marks were, off the top of my head. But even central scouting had Toews #3 behind Staal 3.0 and Erik Friggin’ Johnson (Speaking of which, never draft a Johnson in the first round. Unless maybe he’s Mark).

          • Waylon

            Well I stand corrected. I think a more accurate statement was that neither Toews or Kane were considered huge risks, at least compared to the other players on the board. It still takes an element of luck whether players pan out or not, though.

          • Why

            I remember it differently on Toews. A lot of people were saying the top 5 could go in any order (don’t forget the two picks after Toews were Kessell and Backstrom.)

            EDIT: And looking it up, it was Jordan Staal one spot ahead of Toews.

          • justforkicks

            Kane’s size was a pretty big concern, right?

          • Why

            You’re always nitpicking when you’re talking about potential #1 picks but the short answer was yes.

        • Korab22

          Was it the One Goal book that had some of the handwritten scout’s notes on Toews? I always thought that was cool. The guy was considered a can’t miss. I wish they would have included the notes on Kane.

      • lizmcneill

        look at 2005 and 2008 also. Something pretty bad seems to have happened to the scouting in those 4 years, the 4 on each side look a lot more healthy.

    • Waylon

      I think Jim Finks may have topped that one with his draft in ’83, I believe. Maybe not the same level of quality, but the quantity of starters was truly impressive. I think he got Richard Dent in something like the 8th round that year.

      • ballyb11

        NOBODY has ever topped that draft. And nobody EVER WILL top that draft( I know, infinity is a long time). Not even possible. The best defensive player ever AND arguably the best “pure” running back ever plus an All Pro receiver thrown in.

        • laaarmer

          Not the best defensive player ever. One of the best. Not THE best.

          • ballyb11

            THE best.

          • laaarmer

            Nope. One of then for sure.

          • ballyb11

            OK, best is hard to prove.

            Cowboy draft was very, very, very good. Bear draft was off the charts, IMHO.

          • laaarmer

            It’s because you are a Bears fan, which is OK. You are supposed to feel that way.

          • ballyb11

            Yeah, but I’m objective too.

          • laaarmer

            So the Cowboys draft 3 hall of famers, but the Bears draft with Butkus was better.
            I’m not so sure you are objective, but again that is OK. Bears fans like their guys.

        • laaarmer

          ’64 Dallas Cowboys

          10th Staubach HOF
          7th Bob Hayes HOF
          2nd Mel Renfro HOF

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    Let’s see…just woke up, it should be 6/26/2013 and the Blackhawks should be the best hockey team in the world. Yep, everything checks out.

  • cliffkoroll

    Re: Stan (and Q). There’s still a nagging feeling that they walked into a sweet situation and hasn’t had to do anything drastic- still a good job, and the right guy for that job (compared to the reckless but effective derring-do of Tallon.)

    If you count Hossa as part of Stan’s opening hand, the needs of the team have always been: second line center, support in net, and depth.

    The article sorta puts Crow and Bickell in Stan’s column- incorrect.

    I’m not complaining at all. Clearly, what Stan has done has been exactly what this team needed- the proof is in the pudding and any coming Capocylapse will be mild.

    I’m just saying it’s not like he took an organization in shambles and re-tooled it. Same for Q.

    • cliffkoroll

      Same for Phil Jackson, while I’m at it.

      Ditka, now…but fuck you and your unfulfilled promise Mike!

      • cliffkoroll

        one problem with Disqus is, when you reply to your own comment (or ‘laaarmer’), a minute later the little red flag pops up.

        “Ooh” you think, “someone’s responded to my comment.” And you do that Homer-anticipating-a-donut-fingertip-thingee.

        And then you click on it. “cliffkoroll! Not that asshole.”

    • lizmcneill

      Hmm. Each part of the depth might be modest, but the whole feat of rebuilding the team from the top 2 lines and 3rd d-man down is a little more than that, I think.

      I think Stan and co deserve partial credit for Crow and Bicks in that they used them right – another GM might have shipped Bicks off more picks when he was 25 and still inconsistent, or kept Nemo for big$, lost Hjammer and left Crow in the A.

      Take a look at the drafts of the Bowman years and compare them with Tallon’s drafts. It takes better drafting to find a Shaw or a Frogger in the 5th round than to win the Kane lottery or to grab Toews at third.

      Tallon did a great job of turning around a team that sucked, but the Hossa and Campbell contracts were/are problems, DDN’s bonuses were the final straw in the capocalypse, and he didn’t leave the farm in good shape. If they’d manged to draft another 2nd-pairing dman or borderline-top-6 forward in a 2nd or 3rd round, one of the NTC-2/3M contracts on the roster would be an ELC or cheap RFA.

      Tallon bet that by adding big-ticket UFAs to DDN, Sharp and Keithbrook, the team could get the Cup in the tiny window before the young stars and depth came due for their pay rises. Stan’s method is to have the depth young and cheap and keep the farm well stocked to replace them when they leave, so that there isn’t a single make or break year. And he/Q seems to have a talent for finding unexpected people to fill a particular role.

      Dale’s method was right for the situation in 2008/2009, Stan’s is right for now. It will be interesting to see how he copes with replacing members of the core, they aren’t going to be tanking for a high draft pick.

      • cliffkoroll

        I’ve generally been supportive of Stan. This was from before the 2011-12 season:

        http://blackhawkup.com/2011/08/09/what-stan-bowman-did-on-his-summer-vacation-final-answer/

        It’s the ‘Stan/Q’ cognitive dissonance that rankles.

        You bend over backward to give Stan credit for Bickell and Crow. That’s just silly.

        And additions like Oduya, Rosival, and Handzus. Was anybody doing backflips over these signings at the time? Were these guys lighting the world on fire with their previous clubs?

        Yeah, in each case, Stan got a guy to fill a need, but these were not blockbusters. And, on the Hawks, these guys ALL performed a helluva lot better than with their previous teams. How does the on-ice coach not get the bulk of the credit for deploying these resources to maximum effect?

        • Preacher

          Because Q plays John Scott for 4 minutes and kills Duncs for a season. See? We only see the bad stuff. And when Q puts Toews and Kane back together and it works, we’re all like, “Duh, Q, everyone else knew it would work. What took you so long?” So Q doesn’t get much credit, even as we overlook the 2 Cups in 4 seasons and most playoff wins of any active coach and blah, blah, blah. And then we TP his house!

        • Guest

          Let’s not pretend that Stan didn’t play a major role in building this team before replacing Dale as the GM. He’s been in the front office since 2001 and played a pivotal role in the drafts that netted all of the ‘Hawks current home-grown players – Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, Bolland, Bickell, Hjammer, etc. Was Dale in charge at the time those players were drafted? Yes, of course, and as such it was perfectly reasonable for people to give much more credit to Dale than to Stan for the 2010 Cup.

          But this 2013 Cup-winning team, from the core he elected to keep versus the ones jettisoned in the capocalypse purge to the players whose development he’s overseen (and whose drafting he played a bigger role in than you’re giving him credit for) to the players to the players he’s brought in, has Stan’s fingerprints on every corner of it far more so than simply the players that have joined the organization since he replaced Dale. To say that he simply “walked into a sweet situation” is both massively oversimplifying the matter and a complete slap in the face to all off the hard work he’s done.

          • cliffkoroll

            Large spoonfuls of speculation there on Stan’s role pre-GM. I figger it’s the guy at the top’s neck.

            And no actually. To say that he simply “walked into a sweet situation” is decidedly NOT to say ANYTHING about what he did with that situation.

          • Preacher

            But wasn’t Stan brought in and functioned as the “Cap guy,” especially in the 4 years as Asst, GM? I still think he doesn’t get enough blame for some of our Cap problems leading to the gutting. Whenever I bring this up, I’m told that Dale was GM and the decisions were his. But now you’re telling me that Stan played a “major” role in other aspects of Dale’s job. The Cap was the one part of Dale’s responsibilities that the team publicly said Stan was in charge of. Why does he always get off the hook for this?

          • neo1978

            Hey Boss, I think you shouldn’t spend money on this cause, you know, you don’t really have that kind of money. Yeah, OK, I know, just make it work.

            The GM is in charge of the budget, plain and simple. Anyone blaming the accountant underling for the mess is just nuts.

            And I think that is one of the main reasons for Tallon leaving and Bowman taking over. The guy in charge has to be THE cap specialist in a hard cap league. Having it in the hands of an underling without any real financial power is a recipe for disaster.

          • Preacher

            I get your point, but I simply point again to the Hawks’ own management team who constantly touted Stan as the “Cap Guy” while Dale was GM. He was supposed to be the math wizard/business school grad genius who set up Dale’s contracts. (And I do think they were right, as Stan handled the 2010 season (remember the shuttling of Rockford players?) and has handled things since then well.) Again, these were the Hawks own words.

          • Why

            Absolutely. The question about every player needs to be “Can we afford him at that price?” The “cap specialist” is simply a person who can run the numbers.

          • zacked

            Technically it is “does he provide the most value for this price?”, or something close to that. But yes.

          • Why

            Fair enough. Value is a better word than afford there. Semantic argument but you’re right on that one.

        • Paul the Fossil

          That’s a good point. I’ve come around to the view that Quenneville is actually very, very good at the strategic aspects of his job. Things like managing the individual personalities on a team, setting a good tone in the locker room, keeping the team focused when things are going wrong, helping young players develop and adjust their game, etc. A lot of the stuff that for example Tortorella seems to be ineffective at, Q appears to be really terrific at.

          I certainly share the questions about his tactical-level decisionmaking sometimes. But even some of that I’m now questioning, like for instance it may be that things like benching Stalberg for Bollig who then plays only 5 minutes are actually part of a Q’s longer-term managing of the locker room? That’s just guessing obviously but in any case it is clear that Q is really extremely good at managing the locker room. Including that things like keeping Bickell’s knee problem quiet meaning he took all the flak for the lineup changes is probably part of why the players will walk through fire for him.

          And when you notice that Q now has two Stanley Cup rings as a head coach (another as an assistant), plus two President’s Trophies, is the active coaching leader in wins and winning percentage right? Well…it may just be that the less-visible stuff which Q is really really good at is actually more important overall than the more-visible stuff that sometimes frustrates us so much.

          • Preacher

            I STILL would like to know what the deal was with the Stalberg situation. That whole thing just never really seemed to make sense.

          • Waylon

            Just a guess but it seems like Stals really stepped over the line at some point during the playoffs. Probably pouted over his lack of playing time to the wrong person and forced Q and management to draw a line in the sand for the good of the rest of the team. I don’t think he’s going to missed much in the locker room.

          • neo1978

            Stalberg was the Hawks 12th defensive forward. The problem was that the fan base didn’t see it that way. So they were shocked when he wasn’t getting ice time.

          • zacked

            I’m not sure that computes, because they guys he was benched in favor of, Carcillo and Punchy are like the 20th and 24th defensive forwards. My guess is that it’s less about removing Stalberg and more about putting those guys in, but it’s just a guess.

          • cliffkoroll

            Yeah. After Q put Kruger and Frolik with Bolland, that line was used more like the successful Bolland 3-1 match-up from past years.

        • lizmcneill

          I don’t think it’s bending over backwards to say Stan deserves some credit for not wasting prospects who were already in the org when he became GM. It’s a negative sort of credit but that the way he rolls.

          Not sure what you mean about cognitive dissonance. The scouting or the coaches or more likely both have taken all these guys who aren’t blockbusters and no one else wanted much (Oduya, Rozi, Zus, Shaw, Frogger, Saad to some extent), and gone, hmm, I think we could use him. And then did. It’s starting to look like a pattern. Ok, they also did the same thing with Murdersaurus, to our great frustration, but no system is perfect.

          • cliffkoroll

            by cognitive dissonance, I mean “Stan is great, Q sucks.”

            I’m pro-Stan, and look at how I’m outflanked by the Stan groupies.

            I’m pro-Q, and I’m assaulted by Q haters.

            This is cognitive dissonance. Logical incoherence. I don’t care if your name is McClure.

          • lizmcneill

            Q certainly does not suck, and the fact that he has lasted 4 years without being fired suggests that the front office tends to agree (look at the rest of the NHL and the musical coaches).

          • 1benmenno

            He’s no Mike Keenan, though.

          • Z-man19

            Well who is, I mean geez

          • Korab22

            Torts? He seems to be marching down the Keenan path.

          • Why

            I’m not sure that it’s cognitive dissonance but some of us think the coach deserves more credit than he got. Everyone hates the line shuffling here, but maybe moving guys around and giving them opportunities to play in different roles gives them more confidence. Maybe Stan’s making great pick ups, maybe Quenneville’s getting more out of players than most teams would. Most people can recognize they don’t have the skill to play in the league and love the players. Coaches seem to most of the blame when the team is playing well and none of the credit when everything goes poorly.

            I’m not saying this like I’m some sort of genius. I was very happy with the Emery pick up, just because I wanted someone who you’d expect to be better than Crawford was last year. Either Crawford plays better or another guy steps in. And if I would have had to guess, I would have suspected Emery would end up getting the nod.

          • neo1978

            The tendency is to “put your stamp” on the team. Anyone with any kind of ego is going to trade players that already are on the team for “his players.” It takes a special kind of person to NOT do that.

            The Jaeckels of the world are ripping Bowman for NOT trading first round picks for the Kyle Quinceys of the world. You know, Bowman doesn’t have the guts to pull the trigger.

            It takes all kinds of guts to do what Bowman did, the way he did it. Cause when it works, everybody wants to dismiss your input.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Oduya and Roszival … I was highly enthused. Handzus? I thought that was only going to lead to disaster.

        • Korab22

          Regarding backflips, literally or figuratively?

          • cliffkoroll

            Heh. Yeah, I’ma go with ‘literally’ just to blunt Chico’s acumen.

        • Z-man19

          the trade and then extending of Oduya was pretty solid, whatever the Hawk’s record is since acquiring Oduya is by now, it’s pretty damn good I’m guessing

      • Preacher

        I’m a Dale defender and have been highly critical of Stan (John Scott?), but each one helped to make this team a Cup winner. Twice. Both have made some bad moves, and both made some great ones. Stan should get credit for what he DIDN’T do (trade Kane/Crow/Hammer etc.) as much as for the pieces he’s brought in (Zus? Who knew?). Dale had lottery picks and Stan inherited a great core, so both guys were “given” a lot in terms of the makeup of this team, and both made smart decisions in making it a winner. Each one played a big part.

      • cliffkoroll

        I think Stan has drafted pretty good, but I’ll defer to others.

        He’s had four drafts, I think. And the current Hawk team boasts Shaw, Saad, and Kruger. Seems pretty good to me, but I’m not sure how that stacks up with other teams.

        But Shaw is a guy that Q has loved to the point that some villagers complained about it.

        And Saad isn’t quite Toews/Kane, but not a genius pick.

        Kruger is a great pick, and, if I recall correctly, he was always one of Stan’s ‘pets’.

        Solid though- no complaints.

        • Preacher

          The Oilers have had 3 number one picks in a row. And have shown no discernible improvement…..
          Says something about our WHOLE organization since at least some of our drafts are actually contributing. And some are AMAZING!!!

        • lizmcneill

          Yeah, Dale was all high-risk, high-reward, which sometimes paid off gloriously (Black F’ing Magic being the prime example) and sometimes…didn’t (Beach, Skille).

          Stan’s picks are low-risk, and like you say, don’t set the world on fire. If Shaw had turned out to be a career AHL, well, 5th rounder. A bust at 43 stings a lot less than a bust at 3. Another GM might have been tempted to take say the Saad and Danault picks and trade up (see the Oilers and the Avs for a lesson in how to draft high and still get it wrong, or Vancouver for how to not build around your core)

          • zacked

            I don’t think Bowman’s picks have been low risk at all, if anything they’ve been higher risk. Look at Teuvo. The difference is that there is a HUUUUGE drop-off in talent after the top 5 and after the top 10 in most drafts, and Bowman has had low picks during his GM…er…ship. Teravainen fell to #18 because other teams were scared to draft a kid that young and small. And there was that weird run on D-men.

          • neo1978

            Tallon “reached” one time on a “gut” pick and that was to take Skille. Didn’t work out. And Tallon picked two guys in the first round with suspect skating ability. Those were Beach and Olsen. Once Tallon didn’t have a top five pick in the draft, Tallon’s drafts are pretty suspect.

            Bowman’s suspect skater was Hayes. Since that time, the Hawks have stopped picking poor skaters in the first round.

            And it takes guts to pick the player that “falls” in the draft. That is why most teams draft the guy they scouted that they thought would still be available when they picked.

            Bowman has taken three players that fell in the draft; McNeil, Saad, and TT. All three seem like huge value.

            Bowmans reaches have been their second first round or second round picks. He has Danault and Clendening. Both seem like Bowman might have been correct. So far, Bowman is a much better drafter.

          • Jim A

            We haven’t seen the Hayes Bowman drafted. Just the one he traded for.

        • Accipiter

          Here is a 3 part Stan Bowman interview by Verdi. I put up the 3rd part because the links to the 1st two are in it.

          http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=675004

        • Waylon

          Leddy was also one of Stan’s pet players from way back when, and he was almost obsessed with getting him when dealing with MN.

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          kruger was a tallon pick

          • cliffkoroll

            2009. Thought that was Stan- maybe not.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            stans first draft was 2010, buuttt im sure he had a lot of say in the 2009 draft he was asst gm after all. kruger may have been someone he had eyes and vouched for.

          • neo1978

            Kruger was a Scotty Bowman recommendation when Tallon was GM. It was rumored that Senior Bowman brought that recommendation with him from Detroit scouting.

            Stan was the one that rushed him to the NHL. Salary cap issues had a lot to do with that, imo. EL contracts are relatively cheap.

          • Accipiter

            No, you are correct.

      • cliffkoroll

        I think Stan gets credit for his trades mostly too.

        Stalberg was salvaged from Capocalypse.

        Leddy was a straight filthy steal.

        Frolik- got ya, Dale! A bit pricey, but valuable to this team.

        Handzus. No one, I mean no one saw this coming.

        J. Hayes. Too soon to tell.

        Morrison, Olesz, Campoli: meh.

        Didn’t get much for Brouwer.

        Overall, again rock solid. But again, I see a front office and coaching staff working in tandem on personnel issues for the most part (Q haters agree when convenient, like in the Brouwer situation.)

        • lizmcneill

          JMo might also prove to be a good rescue from the cap shipwreck, again, a little soon to tell.

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          didnt they get a first rounder for brouwer that turned into danault?

          seems good to me.

          • cliffkoroll

            Oops- my bad.

      • cliffkoroll

        How about free agents? Yeah, Rosival and Oduya have been great, and Emery serviceable. But you gotta kiss a lot of frogs:

        Bollig
        Mayers
        Carcillo
        Potulny
        Pisani
        Brunette
        R. Johnson
        Brookbank
        Lepisto
        O’Donnell
        Montador

        I’m not saying this was the wrong strategy, but it feels like a blind-squirrel algorithm, not talent evaluation genius.

        Bottom line: We like our people! And our suits! And our Stache!

        • lizmcneill

          Yeah, I remember at SCH divvying it out and deciding that the kids are the safer bet, UFAs are not good value for $$. Can’t exactly get too upset with say Bollig being #23 on the roster at league minimum or whatever. And like I said above, whatever happened to the drafting for a few years was a shame because then you’d have a rookie contract at that slot even if the talent was equivalent.

          • neo1978

            You are in a cap crunch and can’t afford anything but 500K bottom of the barrel players. So let’s criticize Stan that they aren’t top line players. Pisani and Bickell were 500K guys on the Hawks third line. That is awesome value for those kinds of salaries.

            And I have never understood criticizing teams for having veterans in those “on the bench” spots. All teams need Mayers type players to fill those roles.

            And you can see Stan upgrading the bottom of the roster as the cap crunch lessened. The only real negative move is still Montador. And as CNS has pointed out, that has as much to do with injury as anything.

          • Why

            Yep. And if you have a talent evaluator who is capable of nailing every pick, he needs to move out of his GM position and into the gambling business. Try and pick the best guys possible and give yourself room to makes moves if you end up wrong.

            And honestly, Montador and Brookbank are kind of getting the short shift because guys ahead of them were so good.

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      Let’s not pretend that Stan didn’t play a major role in building this team before replacing Dale as the GM. He’s been in the front office since 2001 and played a pivotal role in the drafts that netted all of the ‘Hawks current home-grown players – Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, Bolland, Bickell, Hjammer, etc. Was Dale in charge at the time those players were drafted? Yes, of course, and as such it was perfectly reasonable for people to give much more credit to Dale than to Stan for the 2010 Cup.

      But this 2013 Cup-winning team, from the core he elected to keep versus the ones jettisoned in the capocalypse purge to the players whose development he’s overseen (and whose drafting he played a bigger role in than you’re giving him credit for) to the players to the players he’s brought in, has Stan’s fingerprints on every corner of it far more so than simply the players that have joined the organization since he replaced Dale. To say that he simply “walked into a sweet situation” is both massively oversimplifying the matter and a complete slap in the face to all off the hard work he’s done.

      Edit – sorry if this is a double post, my work laptop is acting funky…

      • laaarmer

        Keenan and Pulford would have a couple cups by now too.

        Eh?

        • Paul the Fossil

          Please do not ever say the P-word here again.

          • 1benmenno

            P-word palomino’d

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Haven’t we already established that Mike Keenan eats rainbows and shits gold?

    • ‘hawks58

      2009:
      Resigned Keith, Toews, and Kane to cap friendly extensions.

      2010:
      Traded Barker for Johnsson and Leddy
      Signed Cullimore
      Acquired Boynton for ‘future considerations’
      Acquired a 6th rd pick for Frasher
      Acquired Jimmy Hayes for a 2nd rd pick
      Acquired Stalberg for Versteeg (essentially, the other players are insignificant)
      Acquired a 2nd rd pick and Ivan Vishnevskiy for Ladd (whoops)
      Signed Scott (double whoops)
      Resigned Bickell to a criminal extension
      Resigned Skillie (which would eventually allow him to be traded)
      Signed Turco and Pisani (meh)
      Extended Q through 2014
      Signed Ryan Johnson

      2011:
      Traded Skillie and prospects for Frolik and Salak
      Extended Seabrook
      Acquired Campoli and a conditional pick for Potulny and a 2nd
      Extended Crawford and Salak
      Dumped Campbell’s salary
      Traded Kopecky’s rights for a 7th
      Acquired Montador for a 7th and signed him
      Signed Burnette, Carcillo, Mayers, O’Donnell, Lepisto
      Extended Stalberg, Frolik, and Sharp
      Signed Emery
      Acquired a conditional 7th for Klinkhammer

      2012:
      Acquired Morrison
      Traded Scott for a 5th(!)
      Extended Carcillo (bleh)
      Extended Emery
      Extended Bollig, Smith, Hutton
      Traded 2012 4th for SJ’s 2013 4th (used to get Handzus) and 7th
      Signed Brookbank, Rozsival
      Acquired Karlsson for a 7th
      Signed Drew LeBlanc
      Signed Antti Raanta

      Plus 2 of the 2011 draft class were huge role players in this Cup run.

      Outside of the Ladd trade, there aren’t really any BAD moves. Sure, most of us think the Carcillo signing (and resigning) and Scott signing were not good, but at least Scott ended up netting the Hawks a pick. Many of the 2010 and 2011 free agent signings didn’t amount to a lot, but they filled roles and were generally at least as good as advertised (minus Brunette).

      To not only manage the cap hell they were in, but to actually come out with some solid prospects, role players, and picks out of the whole ordeal; then develop/use those to create another Cup champion. That is ‘doing something’.

      Sure, you have to get lucky and have guys like Saad and Shaw and Bickell and Crawford actually figure it out and step up. But every championship comes through at least a little bit of luck.

      • zacked

        Just curious, where’d you get this list of moves? Did you compile it yourself or is there a complete listing somewhere?

      • nextgame

        In regard to the Ladd trade, I think we have to see what kind of pro Clendening turns out to be before passing final judgement on that trade.

        Also, you didn’t mention trading Brouwer to Washington for a 2011 first round pick that turned into Danault. We’ll have to wait and see on that one too, but it looks promising on the upside.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      It’s always a sweet situation when you take over a young, struggling team, that just happens to have a couple (at least) future Hall of Famers sitting on the bench. Just ask Vince Lombardi.

      That said, Stan has 100% earned his name on this cup.

      • cliffkoroll

        No doubt.

  • Preacher

    So…what’s everyone doing for tonight’s game? Oh, wait.
    (Giggles in giddy delight!)

  • justforkicks

    Hey BigC, gotta ask – any chance your doing a vid this year?

    • BigCSouthside

      If I could get my stupid keepvid to work, I’d be all over it

      • justforkicks

        Oh man, that’s a total bummer! The ones from the last cup run still give me goosebumps!

        • BigCSouthside

          Tell me about it. I had the whole friggin SCF preview video planned. Would have been pretty cool I think

          • justforkicks

            I’d bet it would have definitely be cool. Maybe someday it’ll happen!!

  • justforkicks

    Also still working my way through all the vids, gifs, and stories. Just can’t get enough. This fucking team <3

    And don't forget to watch kaner tonight on I forgot which late night show!!

    • chidiver

      Letterman, which is sad, given that NBC televises the NHL. I wonder if Leno is bitter about being preempted by all those OT games? You think Kaner will bring the Cup with him?

      • justforkicks

        He’s gotta, right?! I really hope so. Wonder if any of the other guys come too

  • chidiver

    Happy, happy, happy..joy, joy, joy!

    Now to spend my game 7 refund on poorly-made, commemorative crap to fill my den.

  • chidiver

    Holy crap! Did you guys see this? I nearly pissed myself watching it.

    http://youtu.be/_gaXwHz6MjQ

    • 1benmenno

      That’s exactly how I remember it happening.

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    I need to remind myself to never read TSN comment. People are giving the credit to Tallon still.

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      People are dumb. This is not new

    • chichicagochi

      this was ‘mind bottling’

    • zacked

      Dale Tallon deserves credit for his drafting, and I was sad to see him go, but I think his time in Florida has shown he’s not a good GM. Not to mention the QO debacle. He may be a very good director of scouting.

      I feel confident in saying that we don’t win this cup if Tallon was still the GM. Hell, I’m confident in saying that we don’t win this cup if anyone other than Bowman was the GM.

  • Paul the Fossil

    Is it not hilarious that Vigneaut and Tortorella have simply switched jobs? Be interesting to see which one does better in the new setup. I’d wager on AV probably.

    • roadhog

      It’s going to be really interesting comparing the performances of those two teams this upcoming season. Torts in Vancouver promises to extend the comedy we all love so much . . . My money is on AV as well.

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      Considering the rosters they’re inheriting, I would absolutely not make that bet with you. Tortorella is taking over a roster whose best players have already started seeing their production sharply decline either due to age (i.e. Honk and Donk) or an inability to stay healthy (i.e. Kessler), not to mention the fact that they’ve got less than $50K in cap space with only 9 F, 6 D, and 2 G signed.

      AV is walking into a MUCH better situation with the Rangers – same # of players signed (10 F, 5 D, 2 G) but with $14M in cap space to fill the remaining holes, better goaltending, better D, and outside of Brad Richards (who may be an amnesty buyout anyways) his best forwards still have plenty left in the tank.

      Given those rosters, unless something drastic happens I think that the likelihood of AV still being the coach of the Rangers in 3 years is far greater than the likelihood of Torts lasting 3+ years in Vancouver

      • Waylon

        I hate the Nucks as much as anyone, but once they finally ship Lou off, they’ll have much more in cap space, and they’ll use their two compliance buyouts to get even more. They’ll still suck, though, because their farm system is just about empty.

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          if they ship lou off, i think there is little doubt they will be taking on a salary dump from the other team as well.

          • Z-man19

            I don’t think that is necessarily true. Van will still be carrying most of the risk of Lu’s contract should he retire early, the team that would acquire him would have much less risk.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          When they ship out Lu and use their compliance buyouts on Ballard and Booth that will open up almost $14M in cap space, leaving them with a total of almost $14M in cap space and with only 8 F, 5 D, and 1 G signed (cap space and roster size depending on return for Lu of course). That means they’ll still need to sign 8 or 9 players and will have less than $14 M to do so. In other words, they’re fucked

          • Why

            It seems like a stretch to say they’re fucked already. I’m not sure they make those moves but if they do (or buy out someone like Hamhuis) instead, 14 million is still a lot of money to be able to spend on 9 players.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      What’s more hilarious is how each is a culture shock to their new cities, AV with the tin foil hats, and Torts with the ‘Suck it up, Dorothy’ attitude.

      Channeling my inner Gene Hunt with the ‘Dorothy’ line.

  • Paul the Fossil

    Tweet of the day, which I got via my wife’s co-worker:

    @felzzy27: The Blackhawks parade will start at the UC, go down Madison,
    around Zdeno Chara, and through Seidenberg before arriving at Grant
    Park.

    • Preacher

      LOL!!!
      (They forgot about Rask, though it’s not his fault!)

    • BigCSouthside

      awesome

    • roadhog

      A huge inflatable CHARA with one skate on either side of Madison, and the parade follows the path of Toews pass on the tying goal. The Boychuck inflatable would have to be out of position, several blocks off the parade path.

      • cliffkoroll

        Heh. Boychuck [not pictured]

        • QCBlackhawk

          Sir not appearing on this goal.

    • Waylon

      Only now are the hockey “analysts” saying that perhaps Chara was gassed because of his minutes piling up. Reminds me of the Pronger deal vs. PHI in 2010 – both aging D – Men who were/are still excellent but can’t pull those kinds of TOI anymore.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        still havent heard all the calamity of rasks rebound control, i think he had just about as many goals scored on him off rebounds as crow did glove side.

        • Waylon

          The MSM meme is set for the next few years, it reminds me of the constant flaggelation of Brodeur, far after it was clear he wasn’t that good anymore. I’m not sure he was all that awesome to begin with, given the Devil’s defense and that all trapping crap they did.

        • zacked

          I commented several times to Bruins-fan friends that Rask was giving up “Niemi-huge” rebounds. And then screaming at the TV for hawks to shoot low, far-pad.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        I wonder if he was injured.

  • Oregon_hawk

    Well, I didn’t want to do this so soon, but I can’t resist.

    Here’s what I’ve got, with moderate (perhaps optimistic) numbers for our RFAs:

    CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
    My Custom Lineup
    FORWARDS
    Brandon Saad ($0.894m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
    Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
    Jeremy Morin ($0.887m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.578m) / Ben Smith ($0.563m)
    Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m) / Marcus Kruger ($1.750m) / Michael Frolik ($2.333m)
    Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m)
    DEFENSEMEN
    Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
    Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
    Nick Leddy ($2.000m) / Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m)
    Adam Clendening ($0.925m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
    Antti Raanta ($1.400m)
    OTHER
    Buyout: Steve Montador ($0.000m)
    Buyout: Rostislav Olesz ($0.000m)
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,892,628; BONUSES: $962,500
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,369,872

    • Oregon_hawk

      Morin, hayes, shaw, clendening are 2 way contracts. Ben smith is not.

      Raanta is unknown if it is 2 way or not.

    • putmeinthemadhouse

      i think stanton makes the team over clendening

      • Oregon_hawk

        Not a huge difference, in terms of cap situation.

        The bottom 6, and the center line-up, are the biggest concerns.

        Bicks and stally were both members of our hellacious 3rd line, and were well into their development. Swap them out for Morin/Hayes/Smith – thats a big dropoff in depth. Krugs/Frodo still make up a good PK pairing and a nice engine on the 4th.

        • putmeinthemadhouse

          so no faith that we keep bicks? :(

          • Waylon

            I would think if that happens we’ll be able to resign Bickell.

          • Oregon_hawk

            If he signs for around 3, we can probably get him, since one of those ~800k guys can go to the AHL.

            Does he sign for around 3? no idea.

          • Waylon

            He might unless some brain – dead GM offers him the world. But that never happens. I heard that SCUM is going to make a play for him.

          • lizmcneill

            think there’s any chance Carbomb can be traded or anyone would take him off waivers?

          • zacked

            Carbomb can (and should!) be sent to the A if he’s not dealt. The new CBA has cap penalties for “burying” players, but his deal is cheap enough that there is no penalty it.

          • Oregon_hawk

            I was under the impression that 1-way contracts count against the cap no matter what – i.e., that there is no benefit to burying a player except roster space.

          • zacked

            And your impression…WAS WRONG! GAZE UPON MY ABILITY TO COPY AND PASTE FROM CAPGEEK AND DESPAIR!

            A one-way contract counts against the cap as follows:
            cap hit – [ minimum salary + $375,000 ]

          • Oregon_hawk

            That changes … well, some, as carbomb, smith, and most of Brookbank can be buried. But there isn’t a ton of money to get other people to replace them.

          • roadhog

            Doesn’t the Bolland situation (if he is moved) somewhat dictate money for Bicks?

          • Z-man19

            it would help

          • roadhog

            But not with our lack of centers situation.

          • Z-man19

            I love the thought of Dave Bolland as much as anyone, but they can replace what he did this past season for much less cash

          • roadhog

            To your point, we had more of the thought of Dave Bolland this year than the actual Fabulous Weapon.

          • 1benmenno

            Until the very last goal of the season.

          • Z-man19

            I love Bolly for being there and getting it done, but it’s not like he did anything other worldly to get that goal, that could have been anyone on the team

          • Preacher

            Could we Palomino this thread until after the parade? At least? Let’s enjoy this for another few days before we’re trading people.

            Oh, and Mike Keenan.

          • Why

            These actually kind of make it more fun for me. With the last selection of the 2nd and 3rd Rounds, the Chicago Blackhawks take “Stanley Cup Winner, Johnny Oduya.” I’m not great at judging talent at the draft but I think those are going to be a great couple of picks.

          • cliffkoroll

            What part of ‘Ninja Focus’ don’t you understand?

            Hawks are thin at center even with Bolland. Plenty of bums out there pulling down $3 million plus.

          • Z-man19

            There are no centers in the FA market?

          • cliffkoroll

            Michael Handzus?

          • Z-man19

            Boyd Gordon? Or homegrown talent?

          • Why

            Fundamentally sound plays at high speed in big moments are still great plays. He’s a big part of the zone entry, presents an option behind the net and then just flat out beats Boychuk by making a break at the right time.

          • justforkicks

            You keep Bolly as the checking line center only and with frolik and Kruger and I’ll bet he’s awesome again, particularly after he heals up. He was ill suited for the role he played all year. It happens.

          • Z-man19

            He wasn’t the 2nd line center in the playoffs. He was 11th on the team in total TOI for the forwards. He averaged 16 seconds of PK time and 49 seconds of PP time. I’m not sure if he was injured, but if he wasn’t, he’s clearly not the Dave Bolland we all hope for. If trading him allows the Hawks to keep some of the UFA/RFA’s, I don’t see why you wouldn’t

          • Why

            Yeah but if you’re going total TOI, you’ve got to consider that he missed the entire Minnesota series. 5 points in the finals (4 if you want to discount empty netters) and was one of the guy’s Quenneville trusted to get it done at the end of games. And monster plays at monster times. It’s hard decision time, unfortunately, and I would guess there will be at least one very good Blackhawk wearing a different sweater next year.

          • Z-man19

            TOI/game he moves up to 10th just in front of Fro. If it comes down to Bicks or Bolly, who are you keeping? I’ll take Bicks at the 3.5 mil Bolly makes

          • Why

            Christ, I hate doing this but I’d probably take Bolland. Bickell has done so much to improve himself and Bolland has been around for a while that it seems like people forget that Bolland is actually (ever so slightly) younger. I wouldn’t feel good about letting either one of them go but if you put me in the Sophie’s Choice scenario, I keep Bolland.

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            mcneil, terravainen, pirri. i have faith one of them will come through.

          • zacked

            I think only Pirri is close to ready. Plus he deserves the shot the most.

            Teuvo doesn’t even turn 19 until September.

    • Waylon

      I heard from the idiots on the Hot Stove this AM that Ottawa may be interested in Hossa. Don’t want to see Hoss gone, and maybe his back injury precludes any talk of this happening, but interesting to speculate nonetheless.

      • putmeinthemadhouse

        bet ottawa springs for briere instead.

        • Waylon

          Maybe, but Briere looked like a shadow of himself this season,

          • putmeinthemadhouse

            he was injured quite a bit as well. i think he gets a short term stop-gap deal on a team

          • roadhog

            I think a change of scenery will serve him well.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        I love me my Hossa, but before I tell Ottawa to get stuffed, I have to ask, how much?

        • roadhog

          Turris, straight up.

  • BigCSouthside

    It appears that Crow is performing some kind of wizardry making his stick hover in that pic, or hes saying “Suck it bitches, I’m out”

    • Joe DeTolve

      Crow and Kane should have hoisted the Conn Smythe together and said Suck it Bitches to everyone!

  • Accipiter
    • chichicagochi

      Very cool. Interesting to specifically hear how they handled Shaw and his screening in front of Rask in civil discourse.

  • DesertHawk

    Bergeron had a punctured lung.

    • cliffkoroll

      Just…fuck. Hockey players are different.

      • BigCSouthside

        Pro baseball player: “I sprained my finger.” DL 4 weeks

        Pro Hockey player: “I just shit out my liver and lost a foot” Misses 2 shifts.

        • zacked

          That’s good. But to be that guy, the sports are too different to compare directly. Something as piddling as a blister on the wrong finger can turn an ace into a AAA player, if it means they can no longer control their pitches.

          • 1benmenno

            Wade Boggs hurt himself taking off his cowboy boots. OTOH, Dustin Penner and pancakes.

          • zacked

            I have personally done the Sammy Sosa Sneeze before. I spent two days in bed.

          • neo1978

            First time you throw your back out sneezing, you think it is all kinds of funny. After the second time you do it, you are straightening your back at the merest semblance of a sneeze.

          • cliffkoroll

            Heh. Just wait till you wake up one day and you’re like: “Dafuq, I injured myself sleeping!”

          • laaarmer

            Yep.

          • Accipiter

            Yup. Why can’t I move !?! All I did was sleep.

    • BigCSouthside

      Hard as a motherfucker. Respect

      • zacked

        But…but…he’s Québécois! Cherry told me they were all soft. Only getting punched in the face repeatedly makes you tough.

        • Accipiter

          Cherry also told me that the Flyers were winning game 6 in 2010, and that the Bruins were winning game 6 in 2013.

          I knew it was a good omen this time around.

    • roadhog

      Many stick taps . . .

    • DJ

      We salute you, sir. And your other injured teammates.

    • Waylon

      yeah, saw that he’s been in the hospital right after the game ended. I surely hope he makes a full recovery, no matter how long it takes. Great player, and by all accounts a very decent person.

    • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

      He is a manly he-man man among men.
      For this I hope he wins another cup and a Con Smyth,

      but not against us….

      • roadhog

        In a perfect world, with us . . .

    • steeg of their own

      Holy shit. They weren’t kidding when the Bruins said he had a ‘body injury’ before game 6, were they? Broken rib, cartilage, punctured lung, separated shoulder. Like, his whole body was a giant injury.

      • Z-man19

        I think the separated shoulder happened in game 6, still unbelievable

      • DesertHawk

        They’re claiming it was due to a failed attempt at numbing his ribs.

  • OMFS88

    It’s borderline ridiculous how much more productive I am at work now that the Hawks have the Cup and Kane is busy spraying people with champagne from the windows of a River North bar.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by this goal of Rat.

  • putmeinthemadhouse

    That kane kid is lazy and plays like he doesnt care.

    “Yes, after Game 3, which we lost. It was nothing tactical. Patrick was at a point where he was saying he should be playing better and he was watching tapes with his father about what he was doing wrong. I just reminded him that he’s one of the best players in the world, and just because he wasn’t scoring, that didn’t mean he wasn’t playing well. The sheet doesn’t tell everything, but goal-scorers like to score goals. Amazing how world-class athletes can lose confidence from time to time, but it happens.” – bowman

    • roadhog

      And never has a player more deserved an assist than Kane did on the entry/shot/pass play to Keith from the corner on the game tying goal. Too bad they only give out two.

      • Z-man19

        his pass to Duncs was great

        • roadhog

          I’ve watched it over 100 times.

          • Z-man19

            the whole play is great, that should be the training video for the PP next year

          • 1benmenno

            Seriously. Great entry, forecheck, and puck movement.

          • roadhog

            Kane was hooked twice and crosschecked on that sequence. Pure determination.

          • Z-man19

            there had to be some communication on where people were, I don’t understand how Toews knew to leave the boards and then Kane passes the puck to where Toews was and Duncs is there. And what the hell is Horton thinking just standing out there watching it all happen?

          • Accipiter

            I watched it happen too !! It was a great play.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Game 7 tonight, right? Just for fun?

    • roadhog

      That reminds me, I need to put my refuse to lose elimination wear from the Detroit series in the wash. Nice to know it was there, but better to know that I didn’t have to wear it again!!!!!

      • Preacher

        Yeah, the Hawks Stanley Cup 2010 bath towel I’ve used on game days in the Finals went in the wash immediately on Monday night. It was getting a little ripe.

        • roadhog

          I had to part with the playoff beard after the post game celebration. Itchy . . .

        • BigCSouthside

          My 2010 Kane jersey smelled like onions. I trimmed down the beard after the game. Nice to be human again

    • Accipiter

      No way Bergeron plays in this one.

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        He still has one lung.

        • Accipiter

          It better be made of iron …

  • steeg of their own

    I went to my usual Wednesday lunch place (there’s a teeny deli that I go to every week on Wednesday) and the owner got excited as soon as he saw me. He was all “I watched the Blackhawks for you this weekend and they won!” I think the Hawks converted another hockey fan.

    • 1benmenno

      Blackhawks Nation keeps growing.

      • Preacher

        Since I constantly remind my church members of my Hawks’ obsession, they return the favor by telling me that they watched the games, leave me newspaper clippings about the Hawks, and give me their Sports Illustrated magazines that cover the Hawks. In Central Wisconsin, that’s as close to “converting” them to fandom as I’m going to get.

        • roadhog

          I’ve managed to recruit 40 new Hawk fans through my Rotary Club this year. I started by giving them weekly updates on the Hawks progress once the playoffs started. When I shared concern with them during the Detroit series, I think they all felt compelled to start watching. I received over 30 texts within 17 seconds, and another 30 for the next few minutes after as we closed the book on Monday- all from my fellow rotarians. Oh, there is one Pens fan in the club, and I just keep asking her “Only two goals?” I’ll modify that this week . . . “Two goals in 17 seconds!!!” I’ll have to do a presentation here soon to get them up to speed on offsides, icing, and getting tossed from the dot- they all want to know.

          • laaarmer

            Are all Rotarians from Armenia?

          • roadhog

            In my club, yes, but it is a worldwide service organization.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            I played Blackhawk games for the 30+ kids I watch daily so that they’d have something to do during frogurt/nap time. After several weeks of them growing accustomed to the routine, I started including a little cocaine in their frogurt (frocaine!) and then upped the dose a little each week going forward. By the time the playoffs rolled around, I had 33 or so kids who were straight up physically addicted to the Hawks. So much so in fact that they’d start salivating and shaking at the site of the Hawks unis. I then worked a deal out with Hawk Quarters for Field Trip Day with their grandparents. I am rolling in it!

          • 1benmenno

            That works with Mormons also.

          • cliffkoroll

            Even before I got to the (typically) warped portion of your comment, I’m thinking: “bizarrohairhelmet is not only allowed within 500 feet of schools, he actually works with kids? Yikes!”

      • Country_Bumpkin

        “Yeah but what about all those bandwagons fans blah, blah, blah?”

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Bernstein hit it on the head. I still have that warm, fuzzy feeling, even after going to the dentist yesterday and finding out what I thought was a chipped filling is in fact a cracked tooth complete with abscess, requiring a full course of antibiotics, root canal, cap, and enduring the pain until the infection is cleared up, about two weeks. Oh, and it’s spread to a sinus infection.

    Don’t care. Whenever it hurts, I watch that last minute and a half and feel fine.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    After Bicks game tying goal.

    Me: OMG WTF OMG
    Mrs Sparky: We’re gonna get another one.
    Me: No, Overtime.
    Mrs Me: No, we’re gonna get another one. Think positive.
    Me: Only a minute fifteen left.
    Mrs Me: Don’t care, they’re gonna score. They’re gonna score.
    Me: But… but…. OMG!!

    • roadhog

      Freakin’ scary coincidence, this gives me the willies . . .
      Around 3:00 left before the tying goal . . .
      Me: Come on Hawks, one goal, we can do this.
      Mrs. Roadhog: Come on Hawks win this, end it.
      Me: Just one goal honey, just one goal and overtime.
      Mrs. Roadhog: (Ignoring me completely and more loudly) WIN THIS HAWKS!!!!
      Bicks scores tying goal- we are both jumping up and down.
      Me: Ok Hawks, clamp down, overtime . . .
      Mrs. Roadhog: (In complete stubborn defiance) WIN THIS!!!!
      Bolland jams home the winner – more screaming and jumping up and down ensues.
      Me: Holy Shit, I can’t believe this . . .
      Mrs Roadhog: (gives me a silent ever confident smile)

  • QCBlackhawk

    Not sure if someone else posted this yet.
    Here’s a picture of word choice in their speeches.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNn9SdUCQAAgL4C.jpg