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It’s Baaaaaaaaaaack – Live From The Five Hole 2.0 – Episode 1

Like a mangy dog looking for scraps in the alleyway, we’ve finally come around to recording another one of these things. For some reason there was a bit of a clamor for it, even though it seemed like no one listened to them the first go around. In any event, we’re all back for all of your podcasting delights. Or at least Sam and I are in this episode.

We’re also working on a slightly new format, one that’s a little more guest-intensive, because no one wants to listen to either of us yammer on to each other for an hour straight and not be a paid member of Chicago’s bartending service industry. So this episode will feature:

  • Chris Block of The Third Man In discussing Rockford politics at length.
  • Derek from Fear The Fin on the Sharks’ chances in the West.
  • And Chris Gift of St. Louis Game Time (the publication) gracing Sam with 8 minutes of his attention between innings of a Cardinals spring training game.

We’ll work on getting it back up into iTunes and such, but that requires a bit of vetting and we’ve got to start all over again since we’ve moved down the block. But for now, you can download it here.

 

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    Doc has had a few odd goal calls for the Hawks.

  • VerStig
  • Erik Johnson

    Do you have an RSS feed yet? You don’t need the feed to be in iTunes in order to subscribe to a podcast. Especially if you’re on an android device.

    • http://www.thecommittedindian.com/ Matt McClure

      We had one, but it was affiliated with the old site. Considering that these interviews were already a couple days old after getting to talk to everyone and then editing it together, I figured it was better to get it up here as soon as possible. We’ll have more stuff in place for the next go around, whenever that might be.

      • Erik Johnson

        Cool. If I may make a recommendation, libsyn.com hosts podcast feeds, and keeping the feed there can inoculate one against their website’s domain changing, change of hosting providers, etc. It’s not free, though.

    • birdhead

      as an android device user, what do you use to subscribe to podcasts? I’m using Doggcatcher right now but it’s pretty bad at seeking out stuff so I often have to perform backflips to get stuff in there (or like, track down RSS feeds which isn’t that easy with iTunes podcasts). What do you recommend?

      • Erik Johnson

        DoggCatcher is hands-down the best. No reason to use anything else on Android. I’ve never had problems finding things in it.

        There really isn’t any such thing as an “iTunes podcast”. iTunes just provides a central location from which to search and subscribe, but in the end they’re just giving you the same RSS feed addresses that you’d find if you went to the podcast’s website. And if they’re not posted on the podcast’s website, or the podcast doesn’t *have* a website, then they’re doing it wrong.

        • birdhead

          Well at least I’m using the right thing badly, I guess.

          I find it infuriatingly rare for people to post their RSS feeds on their website. I have to use a flipper that takes an itunes link and turns it into the RSS feed, which is an annoying middle step when you’re on your phone.

          • lizmcneill

            I used feedly which links into your google account but again with the pain of RSS feeds.
            Also, people who post podcasts without a download link but just some Flash streaming widget should reconsider. I don’t want to listen to it at my desk, I want to put it on something I can carry around (looking at you, Hockeenight. I can extract the link from the Talkshoe url but it’s a PITA on mobile)

  • cliffkoroll

    Really excellent, gents. Block’s take on Pirri in particular is outstanding, but the whole thing is worth listening to.

    • 10thMountainFire

      In particular, the comment on the play in Florida confirmed my own first assessment. It appeared that Pirri noticed he was beaten to the puck, feared the hit, pulled up, and got hammered anyway. That kind of instinct… eh. Not liking that.

      • cliffkoroll

        Yeah, I really like the forum. It allows for a more nuanced and fulsome discussion. Often arguments are made in posts that sound wrong because we don’t have a fuller appreciation of the writer’s viewpoint.

        On Pirri, Block was able to acknowledge that maybe Pirri’s time in Chicago was destined to end, but, at the same time, it’s a shame that the Hawks invested four years in a guy to develop his skills to NHL level only to end up trading him away for a 2nd round pick, i.e. starting over.

        • bizarrohairhelmet

          Well, there’s Panthers’ NHL-level and there’s Blackhawks’ NHL-level

        • 10thMountainFire

          The follow-on discussion on Denault and Clendening was also very interesting, especially in the context of player development in the organization, the logjam at the top, and no number one picks making the team since Kane.

          • neo1978

            And the fact that there aren’t any 1st round draft picks
            playing for the Hawks at the moment isn’t really fair. When you are in the bottom half and in particular bottom third of the first round, you aren’t going to be playing in the NHL right away. You shouldn’t expect those guys to be playing in the NHL until they are older.

            So Beach is an obvious bust but those other guys, well, not so much. And in fact since the Hawks still have so many players in play shows that their drafting has much improved.

            They have the two four year college kids in Hayes and Johns still on the radar plus Nordstrom from the 2010 draft. McNeil, Danault, Clendening and Dahlbeck from the 2011 class that already has Saad and Shaw. And of course, TT from the 2012. The rest of the 12 and13 classes are still too young to get a read on, but that is a pretty good haul to have that many guys still in play.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I haven’t seen Danault enough to have a feeling either way where he fits but the portion of the podcast where they addressed his statements about being Marcus Kruger were interesting and heartening. He could fill a third or fourth line center position rather nicely if he’s evolving into a two-way player along the lines of Kruger.

        • neo1978

          Not really a shame. Only 1 in around 4 second round draft picks even have an NHL career. And that includes players like Mike Blunden as “hits.”

          http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/CHI/draft.html

          Since most second round picks are complete busts it is very difficult for those picks to maintain even their initial values. So while the Hawks didn’t hit the lottery with the Pirri pick, they at least got a “free play” out of the deal. And as second round draft picks go, that is a win…

          • cliffkoroll

            This is a good perspective. The point about investing in development and hitting on a 1 in 4 payoff only to go back to the end of the line stands, but I guess this isn’t good enough for the Hawks, who don’t need and can’t really use another ’1 in 4′ guy cuz the parent club is pretty stacked.

            A corollary, as you suggest, is that Stan needs to play longshots rather than lower risk, lower ceiling picks.

          • lizmcneill

            What does a longshot in the 2nd round look like anyway? Was Saad a longshot?

          • Accipiter

            Saad was, imo, a different case than the usual. Was meant to go in the 1st round, but injuries made other players seem more valuable at the time.

          • cliffkoroll

            Similar concept though, inasmuch as it’s a gamble that might pay off big. The discussion above suggests that this kind of dice-rolling is exactly what Stan is doing, at least with 2nd rounders. Attaboy!

          • cliffkoroll

            Someone had a scouting chart the other day with two parameters, basicaly: (a) ceiling (1-10 point scale), and (b) likelihood of reaching ceiling (A-D).

            So, Bollig was a 5A (known quantity), Toews was a 9A (gone before the second round) and Teuvo was an 8.5C, or something like that. Shoot for a high number and low letter.

          • lizmcneill

            Seems like that’s what they did with both Saad and TT.

          • neo1978

            Saad, McNeil and TT were all higher rated prospects that fell in the draft. Pirri and Clendening were both reaches and selected higher than their Central Scouting Service rankings. Danault was a guy rated all over the map but was probably drafted a little high too.

          • neo1978

            I still feel TT passed Pirri by. If he hadn’t, Pirri would be playing for the Hawks this season. And the real issue for Pirri, imo, was that he couldn’t pass Shaw on the Depth center list. That is the part that people seem to be ignoring. Hawks play Shaw offensively and Pirri couldn’t take that slot away from him and move Shaw to wing.

        • lizmcneill

          Plus the 5th, which is an extra ticket to the Kruger/Shaw/Hjalmarsson lottery.

          • Accipiter

            Not sure, but I think 3rd + 5th = a 2nd is the line of thinking here. I am wrong a lot, though.

          • lizmcneill

            Pirri was a late 2nd, though – 59th. Florida’s 3rd is 63rd at the current standings, which isn’t much of a difference at that point.

          • Accipiter

            Ahh, that makes sense.

          • neo1978

            What she said.

          • cliffkoroll

            TWSS!

            FTFY

      • Bullitt315

        Impossible. The grass fed organic meatballs tell me hits don’t matter.

      • Korab22

        Keith pulls up all the time to avoid hits. It’s a big part of his game. Bryan Campbell is also great at it. I’m not trying to be a Pirri apologist, but I’m sure if he had to do it over again he would have just kept skating and gotten blown up at the puck. I liked that he got up quick and then won the next draw….actually, that winning the draw part is a lie. He got beat like a rented mule.

        • 10thMountainFire

          What I meant by pulling up with the Pirri incident doesn’t apply to Keith. Keith avoids hits in order to maintain possession of the puck. It’s not apparent that he’s ever done so out of fear. With Pirri, he appeared reticent to absorb the hit itself while chasing the puck. That was my concern.

          • lizmcneill

            Pirri neither avoided the hit nor kept the puck. Frogger goes in there and gets crunched, Kaner teleports sideways 6 feet. Both of them have a better chance to get the puck free than whatever Pirri thought he was doing.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Another thing Kruger does very well without much fanfare…

          • Korab22

            Pirri was just hoping not to get killed, and then got killed anyway. It’s a fast game. Keith is flipping amazing how he sidesteps hits. And then like you said, wins the puck besides.

  • JoeGrant

    Good use of Anthrax.

  • 10thMountainFire

    Excellent choice in music. Great podcast. Very enjoyable. Agree with Cliff on the Pirri portion.

  • Korab22

    Gentlemen, Great job. Block seemed to have great insight on the inner workings of the organization which is always interesting to hear about. The McD comment scared me a little.

  • OMFS88

    McClure’s voice grinds my gears.

  • MattC86

    McClure – I’m a prick to you and for that I apologize, though I’m sure we’ll continue to hate each other. But stuff like this is why I buy TCI and hang out here. Really appreciate you guys doing stuff like this.

    Rest of the gang – I’m less of a prick to you so no apologies, but many thanks for some excellent stuff.

    • 10thMountainFire

      Well if you’re not apologizing, I’m not either. Fine.

      • MattC86

        To you, good sir, I will always/never apologize. Pick one.

        • 10thMountainFire

          I’ll take ‘always’. That way when I’m wrong, I don’t have to admit it.

  • Oregon_hawk

    Totally awesome stuff. Please do more. Really enjoyed the Block segment.

  • Gozer the Traveler

    block seems to be set in the idea that terevainen can’t be the 2nd line center because kane is on the second line. i don’t agree with that just because i don’t see why kane HAS to be on the second line.
    in my mind, i see saad-toews-kane, sharp-terevainen-hossa as your top 6. and then i start breathing kind of heavy.

    • lizmcneill

      Also, where do you put TT apart from 2C? Centering the doghouse line? And with this “oh, Kane can’t work with another high-level playmaker” thing…if that’s the case, why have Zus/Bolly/Kruger never worked out there?

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        I’m sure we will need to see for sure, but Tivo supposedly is a great disher and why would you put the two best setup men on the same line? In any case, Q, so who knows what will happen.

        • Accipiter

          A little of both. He has a good shot as well as play making abilities.

        • lizmcneill

          Counting TT, you have 3 guys with elite or near-elite playmaking skills, so do you split them all up and if so how do they all get ice time?

          And what does the perfect center for Kaner look like, anyway? (apart from 6’2 with dead shark eyes, an impressive hockey butt and an overbite) What skillset should he have?

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            That’s just it, Kane is a natural Center in almost every aspect of his game, so most traditional centers are redundant on his line unless they have better possession skills, defensive skills and can also get in positions to wait for the magic to happen and then capitalize. With his Center ‘struggles’, he still leads the team in points. Imagine if there was a line as daunting as Red Wedding AND Kane had Toews as a center…

          • lizmcneill

            That still leaves us with 2 problems though: who is this dude and where do we get one, and where does Teuvo skate?

          • birdhead

            Is Teuvo a lefty? Maybe Hossa would consider skating with him.

          • lizmcneill

            He is, yes.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            10 86 81
            20 19 88

          • lizmcneill

            Boom!

            Of course, that’s too obvious for Q….