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Angry At Numbers 1/6

That time again to get a little nerd-y. Or a little more nerd-y than we already are.

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This got some play last week thanks to The Score’s Jay Zawaski. But that’s the amount of goals at even-strength that Patrick Kane has scored with Michal Handzus as his center. And that’s the center he’s played the most with. It kind of defies belief. You’d think Handzus would have been struggling to the bench just once while Kaner was dancing through defenders or something. It just hasn’t happened.

If you’re interested, and you are, Kane has scored his most even-strength goals with Brandon Saad, the winger he’s played with most, with 7. He’s also scored 7 with Andrew Shaw. This may be something even Joel Quenneville has seen, as Saad has joined Kane on a line the past few games.

This doesn’t mean that Shaw is the perfect center for Kane, perhaps just the best out of bad choices. Kane scored four even-strength goals with Brandon Pirri, but the seven with Shaw have come in half the amount of time on the ice. Kane’s Corsi% is also about 12 points higher with Shaw than either Pirri or Handzus.

Why? Harder to pin down. Some could be matchups. We know Shaw doesn’t win any draws so it’s not that. Mostly, it might simply be the mobility that Shaw has and he can at least be somewhere when Kane has the puck. Most of Kane’s production is off the rush and one-on-one. You don’t want him trying to produce on a cycle too often. Shaw can at least keep up.

Is Shaw a #2 center? Almost certainly not. Honestly, I think he’d be better at wing where his forechecking and getting to the net would be more pronounced by not having to constantly be low in his own zone. But right now, he might be the best solution of what currently is on offer.

16.7%, 20%

Those are Bryan Bickell’s last two games in terms of Corsi-percentage. Yes, it’s as hideous as you think, and the coach probably thinks so as well because Bicks hasn’t played more than 10 minutes since the blowout against Colorado when Q could just roll through the lines.

While it’s easy to label Bickell a dog now that he’s gotten paid, I don’t think it’s that simple. I think the bigger issue is that Bicks is coming off consecutive knee injuries, one in the playoffs last year and the one that put him on the shelf in November. Quite simply, he just might not have any mobility right now, and he wasn’t exactly Carl Lewis before all this. It’s a concern, and maybe more than a smaller one.

Secondly, and I have to whisper this considering the emotion the name draws, but Bickell and the Hawks might just be missing regular season Viktor Stalberg. While the overwhelming majority of opinion of Stals is generated by his playoff-ghost act, which is totally fair, it’s easy to forget that during the regular season last year Stals was a forechecking demon. He, Bicks, and Shaw really were slaying people at even-strength. Stals’s wheels were quite valuable. The Hawks tried to replicate this with Saad on the third line, which worked for the most part. But now Saad is needed with Kane, at least until a giant lineup reshuffle comes (and it will). And in the emperor-has-n0-clothes file, it’s looking like Bickell was the beneficiary now more than the generator. Which makes the demotion of the Hawks Corsi-percentage leader to Rockford, Jeremy Morin, even more frustrating.

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Hossa’s goals in the last nine games. Normally, that would be a bigger worry. Hossa’s goals are being somewhat gobbled up by Sharp these days. Second, Hossa has 21 shots in his last five games, so basically he’s gone cold but not because he’s not getting the opportunities. We’ve remarked before than in seasons when Hossa has pierced 40 goals, he averages close to or over 4 shots per game. He’s down a bit from where he was to 3.45 shots per game, but that’s still high enough. One should expect a Hossa binge relatively soon if he keeps his shots per game where they are.

  • justforkicks

    I await this line shuffle with bated breath

    • Bullitt315

      Just think how many more points Kane will get when he’s moved back with MVP candidate Toews

      • guest

        Probably less.

      • 10thMountainFire

        /Sarcasm’d

      • Fleshrifle

        If Kane was watching the WJC at all, he must have been Thortoning while thinking about the passes Terrific Twerker is going to be sending his way one day.

      • justforkicks

        Gross

  • Gozer the Traveler

    -I agree that a Saad-Shaw-Kane line, while not ideal, is certainly better than forcing Kane to drag Zus around. Kruger would be better, but we all know that won’t happen due to Q’s love affair with 28-16-52. Teuvo, I impatiently await your arrival to Chicago, and desperately hope you’re able to win faceoffs in the NHL.
    -Can we talk about Brandon Bollig for a moment please? What, exactly, is his fucking purpose here? It really is incredible to see, shift after shift, the number of times we see potential rushes and offensive opportunities for that 4th line just die in transition on Bollig’s stick. I respect the amount of work he’s put in to improve his game, but come the fuck on. He is solidly at least one full skill level below NHL caliber. At least he found himself firmly in Q’s shithouse last night as well; only 8 minutes and change of ice-time for him. But there really has to be a better option than 52.
    -More and more, I find myself rosterbating and mentally slotting Hogs into the lineup, only to realize with a start that Versteeg is on this team, and where the fuck does he fit in all of this? Let’s say all our hopes and dreams come true, and Teuvo is able to skate with Kane and Saad and build chemistry and they burn and pillage whatever second-pairing defensive line is thrown at them.
    So that leaves us with 10-19-81 / 20-Teuvo-88 as our top two lines. What do we do with the third line? If we truly believe in all that shit Q and Stan were talking about having three scoring lines and a checking line, I imagine we need to make that tertiary scoring line a set of offensive-minded bum slayers. What we have now means Versteeg-Zus-Bickell, which really is like the desperately poor man’s version of our second line. Let Versteeg do his Patrick Kane impression while Bickell (assuming he can get back up to speed) wreaks havoc on the forecheck while Zus brings up the rear? Then we would have a shutdown line with 65-16-28. I actually rather like this as a shutdown line, let’s keep it.
    Alternatively, you could really push for an offensively-minded 3rd line of bumslayers (if they’re not asked to play in a checking role), and run Versteeg-Pirri-Bickell out there. I’m not sure that’s really a defensive disaster, as Versteeg and Bickell both tend to be relatively defensively responsible, yes? But then what the fuck do you do with Zus? Easy answer would be to shoot him into the face of the Sun, but Q will never do that. I could certainly live with Pirri up, reducing Zus’ workload, especially post-Olympics.
    Regardless, Versteeg and Handzus mean that there is no use for guys like Pirri and Captain Caveman Morin, let alone McNeill. I find this to be exceptionally frustrating.

    • 10thMountainFire

      The is room for Steeger and guys like Morin.

      • Bob Lanz

        Plenty of room but then again we are not the Stache

    • Gozer the Traveler

      Captain CAAAAAVEMAAAAAAAAAN!!!!

      • 10thMountainFire

        Sort of the bastard child of Keith Stone and Jason Mewes.

        • Country_Bumpkin

          He is the anti-Patrick Sharp. Yeesh.

    • BrandonPirri

      Teuvo Teraveinen was just okay his first game against the Red Wings, but was the only Hawk who was over 50 percent from the dot against the Penguins, so I guess it remains to be seen how he is on face-offs. Not that’s it’s wholly relevant but I figured it added to the discussion.

      • Jenbees27

        Don’t know the true stats, but TT was a beast at WJC at the dot based on the eye test. Then again, he was a beast everywhere at WJC.

        • BrandonPirri

          Of course, but killing a bunch of 17 year olds in the WJC vs the best players in the world in the NHL are two different things. I was just looking at his performance in the NHL, which wasn’t half bad.

          • Jenbees27

            No argument here on that. But have to start somewhere and as he continues to grow in both size and skill, we might see it translate to the big club.

  • Preacher

    Who is on the ice AGAINST Kane? Which line does the other team usually throw out against him? Wonder what his production would be if he were on another line, either up or down.

  • 10thMountainFire

    When anyone aside from McNeil or Grobstein attempt to speak about hockey on The Score, I lay down in traffic. On the Dan Ryan Expressway.

    • BestPredsForward

      Today, your guy Dan Bernstein had a rant about how we, the fans and the media (mainly the media) shouldn’t be so concerned about the Blackhawks losing shootouts since there are no shootouts in the playoffs. ;)

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        I don’t worry about what losing shootouts tells us about a team, I worry that we’ve been losing those points and that we’re now, effectively, in third place because of those lost points. The top of the west is absolutely brutal, and a team that could legitimately go all the way will lose in the first round, simply because they finish 3rd/4th/5th. A high seed is going to prove crucial. (That’s to Bernstein, not you.)

        • 10thMountainFire

          It’s ironic (or hypocritical) that Bernstein makes his entire professional life off of condescending to fans about generalizing sports analysis, condemning them for not seeing nuance. But when it comes to hockey, dude is completely incapable of breaking down strategy or anything else below ‘icing’ and ‘blue line’.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I guess I’m lucky not to have read him much–as a Nova Scotian I have no frame of reference for him/his history other than opinions I’ve read here and the odd unremarkable (unremembered) piece I’ve read myself.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I listened to him years ago. Then his ‘kitsch’ and niche turned into insufferable arrogance, condescension, and whining. Yells at callers, calls them stupid, acts like an all-around jerk. The kind of guy sitting near you at a game that won’t shut up and ends up ticking off the wrong drunk to the point of getting his nose broken.

          • Z-man19

            why anyone would call that show is beyond me

          • 10thMountainFire

            Or listen to it.

          • cliffkoroll

            Perhaps you misunderstand the business model of talk radio in general.

            http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/04/host/303812/?single_page=true

          • 10thMountainFire

            Nah. I just come from an industry where not being a complete douchebag is looked upon as expected, not part of the job description.

          • 10thMountainFire

            But that was an excellent read. Thanks for the link. Worth the time.

          • 1benmenno

            I’m still in need of a walkway shoveler. Frozen solid now with blizzard winds blowing through. How’s your tendinitis?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Kills! Gotta mouse with my left hand, can’t lift a thing if my palm is toward the floor. Never had anything like this, really weird. So you’re on your own shoveling … or waiting for rain.

          • Z-man19

            Gotta mouse with my left hand

            this code for something?

          • 1benmenno

            Steinbeck reference

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I know! I feel a bit dirty now. But no, really, that’s not what I meant. Besides, as much as I like CI, I pray that’s not what anyone uses this site for.

          • Country_Bumpkin

            I remember when “Ann” called the Score and said she hated hockey. Dan came back with “me too”. Funny now that the Bulls are garbage, as are the Sox and Cubs he’s suddenly a hockey aficionado.
            Screw him with a broken beer bottle.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That’s exactly what happened over there. They defaulted to the only winning franchise in town.

        • birdhead

          Conjecture: in the Central it might be better to finish second or third, and play whichever of the Wild and Avalanche pulls it out, than finish first and play whoever came out of the Pacific meatgrinder most damaged.

          Not that it’s ever wise to wish for a particular opponent.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I get terrified as a semi-superstitious fan to hope for a particular opponent. So true.

            It’s possible you’re bang on with that … I’d still prefer home ice once round two/three begins, especially when you look at how good at home Anaheim, San Jose, and St Louis are (and, hockey gods forgive me, Pittsburgh and Boston).

          • Z-man19

            With as shitty as the east is, I could easily see Pitt winning the Pres Trophy. As for the rest, come playoff time, the Hawk’s can beat anyone, anywhere if they are playing well. Give me the easiest first round opponent and go from there.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            The thing about the east–and I agree with you–is that you don’t need 8 good teams, you need one. WCF champ plays just one team from the east, and they will be as good as any team from the west that they meet.

            I also agree with you re our talent, but we all know you can’t win the Cup without some luck falling your way, it’s not always just who can win. There are legitimately 8 teams or so who can win this year, all are equally deserving and talented (imo).

          • Z-man19

            There’s a lot of season left to play, things can change. I’d guess there will be about 4 teams with really good shots at winning it by the time the playoffs start. Someone could always surprise but that’s my take on it.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I’m thinking 5, maybe 6 teams from the west, and Pittsburg and Boston. But you’re right, we’re only halfway.

          • birdhead

            I’m not even superstitious … it just feels like cruising for a bruising somehow.

            You’re right about home ice. But after the first round I think about anyone in the West is scary. (Actually, including the first round.)

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I look at a few superstitions like I do good fiction … not one word of it is real, but still somehow there’s truth in it.

          • 1benmenno

            What’s your favorite novel or short story?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            That’s a pretty hard question. My favourite novel is the same favourite novel a zillion people name, Garcia Marquez’s One Hundred Years of Solitude. My favourite short story might be Tobias Wolff’s Bullet in the Brain. But that one really is too hard to answer. Maybe something in Winesburg, Ohio, if I let myself get overly sentimental.

          • 1benmenno

            ah, Sherwood Anderson. Short stories that add up to a novel. Kind of like an American, and male, precursor to Alice Munroe, chronicler of small town Canada.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Could have picked a half-dozen Munro stories, too, yep. Choosing a single story is way harder than a single novel. I’ve also been on a good streak with novels the last long while, but number one is always that one (fittingly, much of that has to do with the nostalgia it brews up in me).

          • 1benmenno

            As a Nova Scotian, did you have a special affection for Alistair MacLeod?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I grew up in Aurora, Ontario, so I didn’t grow up with an affinity for any east coast writers. I’ve been out here for “only” 17/18 years. I’m pretty embarrassed, truth be told, by my lack of Canadian lit reading; I’ve never read MacLeod, in spite of knowing that I’m missing something grand. My degree is in Comp Lit, and mostly I’ve made that my home in fiction, translated stuff, as well as more contemporary American and Brit.

          • 1benmenno

            I love Comp Lit but ended up a historian because an English prof at the University of Winnipeg wouldn’t let me take a class that featured Gabriel Garcia Marquez and Gunter Grass. He said I lacked the prerequisite credit. But this was stuff I was reading on my own. Happy ending. I don’t like how literature is taught in the university anyway.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Gunter! I was reading The Tin Drum when I got my first dog, and he seemed never to sleep, always to be awake and watching me, so I named him after Oskar’s guard, the one who peeps in on him, Bruno.

          • 1benmenno

            Tin Drum: no gumballs but plenty of fizz powder.

          • Z-man19

            I thought you ended up a historian because you have lived through most of it :)

          • 1benmenno

            Okay, no more prison wine for you. You don’t appreciate things that are aged.

          • Z-man19

            like that’s anything new, if you let it age more than 5 minutes, I might get a drink or two

          • 10thMountainFire

            Short story? My favorite is ’17 Seconds’.

          • 1benmenno

            It’s short and sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet

          • Z-man19

            with a side of ‘Where’d the puck go’

          • 10thMountainFire

            Ask Kane. That lazy punk is skating down the ice already.

            What’s with Blackhawks throwing away their gloves on the Cup-winning goals? It’s getting old.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            I like this.

          • mad-hatter

            Unless something goes terribly wrong, Anaheim and St. Louis may be the only teams that would get home ice against the Hawks, and I’m not sure the Hawks will have to play both of them.

          • Hawkeytalk

            I think both of those teams are due for a tough stretch at some point in the season. I think the Hawks will finish ahead of ANA at least.

        • cliffkoroll

          “A higher seed is going to prove crucial.”

          Incorrect. I mean, maybe, but probably not. Injuries and who’s playing well in April will prove crucial.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            So do you mean “maybe” whenever you say “incorrect” or is it just sometimes? More than one thing can prove crucial.

          • cliffkoroll

            Fair point. I think seeding is down the list is all.

            Drawing Minnesota (and then, from a physical standpoint, Detroit) were helpful last year, as was LA and StL pounding on each other.

            Catching Philly in the Final in 2010 was a break.

            But crucial? Considering the number of 1-8 permutations, it’s hard to know what a high seed means. Home ice itself, I think, means little.

            I dunno. It’s like the movie this year is too methodical, lacking in dramatic dimension, and you’re just trying to juice it up a little. I get it. Remember the early-season ‘ROW deficit anxiety’?

      • 10thMountainFire

        Dude mocks the sport and its fans for more than a decade, Hawks start winning, he looks to take advantage by asserting himself as a hockey expert. I love it.

        God bless America. Everyone but Bernstein.

        • CozBullsFan

          Pandering at it’s finest.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Like BPF stated Bernstein said… don’t worry so much, Coz. It ain’t like the playoffs have shootouts.

          • CozBullsFan

            I was never worried about shootouts. I think they have a limited lifespan from what leaked out of the GM meetings.

          • 10thMountainFire

            I think most of the more dedicated fans of the sport prefer either a return to the 5:00 OT and tie or an alternative to the skills competition.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            This true? I hadn’t heard anything about that. Man, fingers crossed … but I have my doubts, considering how popular they seem to be for anyone not a close fan of the game.

          • CozBullsFan

            They were discussing changing the OT rules and getting rid of the shootout. Like playing 4v4 for 1 OT and 3v3 for another OT. Nothing really happened. The discussion was a step in the right direction.

    • Bob Lanz

      Zawaski? He’s pretty good but tends to be a bit too close to the team, which is why I was pleasantly surprised that he wrote the Zues Kane article. Even though I didn’t know those stats the eye test told me it just isn’t working

      • 10thMountainFire

        The two guys worth listening to are Grobber and McNeil. They at least have a genuine personal affinity for the sport. The rest are clowns with microphones. I’m not familiar enough with Zawaski so I’ll take your vouching for him.

        • VanDorp’sMullet

          Is Mike North still trolling the airwaves? I haven’t listened to Chicago sports talk radio for about 15 glorious years.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Not sure. I have only listened to it when in a rental car with no CD/MP3 player.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            That seems about appropriate for talk radio somehow… rental car listening.

      • birdhead

        I just googled up that Zawaski piece and, come on, even I know the Art Ross is for scoring and Hart is for MVP.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Yeah… saw it as well. Typical 670 hockey ‘coverage’.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            I knew/was hoping that would happen to the Score: the Hawks become not only relevant, but the only real game in town and the Score is left looking like morons because they always ignored and/or looked down on hockey with disdain and have no one that can talk intelligently about it… I guess I could have left off those last two words.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Worst part is… they’re totally ignoring it. Instead of hiring a ‘hockey guy’, they just fake the funk.

            Just one problem: hockey is the one sport you can’t fake knowledge of. It comes through in glaring form.

          • 1benmenno

            Yes. Thank God for sites like this. Now I don’t have to listen to inane analysis during intermission.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That’s why I originally went to SCH when Sam, McClure, and Killion (and Hack) were over there. To avoid the banality of television experts.

            /McGuire’d

          • Hawkeytalk

            Me too. I was just dying for real coverage, and the msm was simply not doing it. Suddenly, I found actual intelligence accompanied by sass and snark.

            The community was a huge bonus. I stopped posting on sch the moment CI went live.

          • 10thMountainFire

            No reason for me to stray once this place went up. One day I’m going to feel brave enough to put my feet up on the couch…

          • 10thMountainFire

            So every once in a while I remind myself as to why I come to TCI. Just a moment ago, I read a story about Hawks who could make Team Canada. One of the Hawks was Crow. I made a mistake… I wandered to the comments were this gem was posted:

            ‘Crawford if your reading this you suck. You belong in the minors.’

          • 1benmenno

            Also, fuck you Cheesecake Factory. And Miss America’s a terrorist.

          • 10thMountainFire

            That video was so incredibly awesome. Post that link again!

          • 1benmenno
          • 10thMountainFire

            Oh my Odin that is so awesome I could watch it a million times.

          • 1benmenno

            Apple pie: a cunt

          • 10thMountainFire

            ‘Her parents are from India so, of course… she’s an Arab.’

          • 1benmenno

            You see Colbert on this matter? He couldn’t keep a straight face. http://gawker.com/stephen-colbert-had-the-perfect-response-to-miss-americ-1337004212

          • 10thMountainFire

            Oh, that was pure gold.

          • 1benmenno

            On a more serious note, beauty pageants, as despicably exploitative as they are in terms of gender, do tell us something about societal attitudes, racially speaking.When Bess Myerson won the Miss America crown in 1945, American Jews saw this as a kind of acceptance. Then there was Vanessa Williams. Like Bess, she was more than just a pretty face.

          • 10thMountainFire

            The most exploitative endeavors are often the most sought after gates to acceptance. Sad state of affairs.

          • 1benmenno

            I’m going to write that down.

          • Hawkeytalk

            I don’t always agree with them or with the commentariat, but at least it isn’t baloney like that.

  • CozBullsFan

    Evening folks! Hope everyone is staying warm and safe in the crazy cold. The cold front has even pushed some chilly weather down my way. Chilly for me at least. Sitting at the computer in jeans and a hoodie.

    • 10thMountainFire

      East coast blew cold late last now. Wow. Yeah, we’re feeling it a bit.

    • Z-man19

      must be rough. I shoveled my drive about 4 pm and came in with icicles on my goatee. It was a downright frigid -10

      • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

        Ahhh. You have a goatee. Explains so much.

        • Z-man19

          I’m now smarter than you originally thought?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Ya, that’s something a guy with a goatee would say.

          • Z-man19

            you must struggle to grow facial hair

          • birdhead

            I would have guessed Chico would be bearded, actually. Fascinated about the answer.

          • Z-man19

            please don’t use ‘fascinated’ in any inquiry about Chico, he’s bound to take that way too seriously

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Too late.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            It’s the internet, bird. I’m both bearded and clean-shaven, both Brad Pitt lookalike and Abe Vigoda double. Also I’m a woman and also a male senator from a southern state.

          • birdhead

            Good tapdancing.

          • Z-man19

            Also I’m a woman and also a male senator from a southern state.

            This really could be one person, you never know

          • 1benmenno

            Republican or Democrat?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            For the sake of maintaining anonymity I decline to answer.

          • Z-man19

            if they are from the south, it doesn’t matter

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            You contain multitudes, not Chico. I think I saw you at the local farmer’s market hawking yucca and chayote. Your prices were reasonable.

          • 1benmenno

            I’m listening to Neil Young’s Ragged Glory. That could be a lyric.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            Why thank you, Menno. BTW–git yer ass out of Cananada and git yerself down here. It’s beautiful and warm.

          • 1benmenno

            You temptress. If you got a couch to surf on, I just may show up.

          • 1benmenno

            That’s what’s called a Mennonite couch surf party.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You have a Heart of Gold, my friend.

          • 1benmenno

            Old man, look at my life. Just stop looking at my wife.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Sounds like you’re Rockin’ in the Free World.

          • 1benmenno

            Love is a nose but you better not pick it

          • 10thMountainFire

            You’re doing that under a Harvest Moon.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            That’s funny. I am not Walt Whitman.

          • 1benmenno

            Make like a grass

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            … I was just typing out my answer, explaining my beard cycles and shaving regimen. Then I deleted it all, realizing there are people behind these names and words, and that the second I begin typing out those kinds of things without sarcasm is the day the internet has beaten me.

          • 1benmenno

            The internet beat me the day I discovered shaving videos

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            I don’t think you meant that the way that it sounds.

          • Z-man19

            don’t underestimate menno

          • 1benmenno

            don’t overestimate me either.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Consider yourself estimated.

          • 1benmenno

            Have abacus. will travel

          • Z-man19

            apparently you need to add a shovel to your repertoire

          • 1benmenno

            I’ll use your frozen goatee as a spade.

          • Z-man19

            even someone as thick as I am knows that’s not very nice

          • mad-hatter

            I’m sure ben will give it back when he’s done.

          • 1benmenno

            You got that right, my frent.

          • Z-man19

            I live in a cell with the guy, IF he gives it back, it won’t ever be the same, you should see what he did with my toothbrush

          • mad-hatter

            But that’s the first rule of cell-sharing: don’t share toothbrushes.

          • Z-man19

            I didn’t share, he took it

          • 1benmenno

            First rule of cell-sharing: there are no rules.

          • mad-hatter

            Well, I guess you would know.

          • 1benmenno

            I don’t make the rules about there being no rules.

          • bizarrohairhelmet

            Is this the Price Is Right?

          • 1benmenno

            Yes, but with a controversy swirling around Barker’s Beauties.

      • CozBullsFan

        I know how that feels. I spent a great deal of time outside during the winter. Worst episode was in Colorado at Copper Mountain. -55 below wind chill. Toes were frozen together when I got down to the bottom of the mountain.

        • Z-man19

          it was about -30 wind chill here today and I would not have been outside had the choice been mine. The worst cold I’ve experienced was -40, no wind. I’ll live quite happily never experiencing that again.

  • 1benmenno

    Given how grumpy I was after Canada’s world juniors result, I wonder whether we’ll stay friends after the Olympics. I’ll bet Z-man a gumball Toews and Kane face each other in the final. All gumball bets off on the result of this epic encounter.

    • Z-man19

      so you want me to bet that either USA or Canada won’t make the finals?

      • 1benmenno

        Yes.

        • Z-man19

          No. I’ll never bet against USA and I won’t bet that Canada won’t make the finals. I am open to other wagers you may wish to offer

          • 1benmenno

            I’m deliberating. Counting my gumballs and thinkin’

          • Z-man19

            in the think tank?

          • 1benmenno

            How about floating this in your think tank: Two gumballs says Canada will make the final. One gumball says a team other than Canada or the U.S. will win the gold.

          • Z-man19

            No. I’ll never bet against USA and I won’t bet that Canada won’t make the finals. I am open to other wagers you may wish to offer

          • 1benmenno

            Three gumballs says that by the end of the Olympics, my goatee will be better than yours.

          • Z-man19

            are we starting from scratch? and define better

          • 1benmenno

            We start from scratch the day the Olympics begin. Then we post photos of the goatees on the day of the closing ceremonies and let TCI members decide. Only the goatees; not the rest of the face.

          • Z-man19

            I have two conditions. The bet is for ONE gumball and we post the photos together with one comment and mark them A and B, that way there is no bias as no one else will know who is who.

          • 1benmenno

            Deal. But it has to be a new gumball.

          • CozBullsFan

            You don’t like used ones? Those are the best.

          • 1benmenno

            As Bob Newhart said to Will Ferrell in Elf, the gum you find on the streets of New York are not “free candy”

          • CozBullsFan

            I’ve been living a lie!

          • Z-man19

            I’ve got 4 new ones on my mantle, I’m more concerned about the validity of your new gumball

          • 1benmenno

            It’s organic.

          • Z-man19

            what I figured, you’ve got a BIG rabbit don’t you?

          • 1benmenno

            Grace Slick thinks so.

          • Z-man19

            NOT what I meant, a rabbit with ears and shits grape sized turds

          • 1benmenno

            That’s not a rabbit, it’s a civet. And it shits gold!

          • Z-man19

            gold or perfume?

          • 1benmenno

            Coffee flavored bum balls

          • Z-man19

            bastard

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      If it wasn’t for Teuvo I’d still be kicking things.

      • 1benmenno

        Me too. He was a revelation.

        • Z-man19

          he was that good?

          • 1benmenno

            He scored two goals but had more points than anyone. He’s a playmaker.

          • Z-man19

            I knew the stats, how was the eye test?

          • 1benmenno

            Great. But according to the rumour mill’s eye test, Sheldon Brookbank’s mom is hot. I want the fancy stats for confirmation. And the pics, of course.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            He danced. Really, he was an absolute threat. Every time he touched the puck players backed away.

            I’m not among those who thinks he’s going to centre Kane next year–I’m just a cautious and skeptical person, but if he manages to put on some weight I’ll be excited. He really needs to get bigger. Kane didn’t need the size, but this guy isn’t Kane.

          • 1benmenno

            He’s not Kane. But there were times when he looked like a man playing with boys. Despite his lack of bulk.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Definitely, agreed. Just, there’s no boys in the NHL to play against.

          • Z-man19

            That may be true (there are guys like Bollig), but in a tournament with the world’s best players at his age, if he was the best or top 5, I have to think he’s gonna be pretty good. Not to mention that he won’t be joining a crappy team, he’ll have a lot of support.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Yep. I’m just a really bad crasher from self-induced highs. I think he projects to play, definitely … but maybe not as a centre and maybe not as top 6 right away. I think Pirri will be ready to play 2C before Teuvo. My feeling is that he should play in the AHL a year.

          • Z-man19

            I think it mostly depends on Q. If he’ll play him consistent minutes and let him learn on the go, he should develop just fine here. Would Q have given Saad the chance he got had there been a somewhat legitimate veteran option? I know playing center is a little different but I still think some of it would fall on how Q would handle him if he did make the team

          • chidiver

            2C…yup, eventually…but not centering Kane. They’re both playmakers. As I see it, the best lineup would be:
            Saad Toews Kane
            Sharp TT Hossa

            Playmaker on each line with finishers and forecheckers and……oops

            Anyone got a napkin? :D rool:

          • Z-man19

            I like that A LOT and it’s what should have been tried with Pirri this year IMHO

          • chidiver

            Yeah, I think that will be a problem for TT…in order to stay out of Q’s rookie doghouse, he’s going to have to become a Calder candidate in his first 5-6 games. Otherwise, Q will go back to sucking on his “slow-over-the-hill veteran” pacifier.

          • Z-man19

            If Stan is smart, Q won’t have one

          • Hawkeytalk

            Seems like TT is already a kind of known quantity, with mgmt bought in. I suspect that the walk to Qs dog house will be longer than some of lower ceiling players, like Pirri.

          • Z-man19

            you had me at the first sentence. If he forces people to back away from him, he won’t need great size. Best part is, he’ll have a small guy to teach him a few tricks when he gets here.

          • 1benmenno

            Amen, brother. Whisper words of wisdom. Let it be.

          • mad-hatter

            Don’t ruin this for me, not Chico.

          • VanDorp’sMullet

            He’s definitely 2nd line center next year. The Hockey Gods will it.

          • Accipiter

            Like Seabrook ?

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Dork.

          • 10thMountainFire

            You know know who could center is the other Patrick…

            Ah, forget it.

          • Joe Banks

            The announcers had a man crush on him, and said he should have been MVP.
            He was assigned to all critical faceoffs.
            Sweden had to focus on him at all times.

  • 1benmenno

    The Hawks–this is their era, and they play hockey as it to ought be played. Except, as pointed out above, when they don’t.

  • MattC86

    As I said before the Sharks game, the forward group is in more than a little disarray right now. They’re still a piece or two (whether an outsider or somebody broken in the lineup getting their shit together – BICKELL!) away from having four lines with identities and no major holes.

    The real danger right now is that I don’t think there’s an obvious landing point for Zus if you move him from that position, besides the press box.