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80′s Revival: Sens 5 – Hawks 6

I know a lot of you are new fans, or are just too young to remember. But if you weren’t there and ever wondered what hockey was like in the late 80′s or early 90′s, here you go. The neutral zone is nothing more than a launch pad, the goaltenders are making it up as they go and generally getting it wrong, the backchecking doesn’t even reach the level of a suggestion, and basically the last team to have the puck wins. It drives coaches nuts, but man is it entertaining. Luckily, the Hawks came out on the right side of this one.

Toews will take the plaudits, but everyone was a Pollack painting tonight, doing a lot of good and a lot of bad. But hey, it’s October, and the Hawks don’t have to be perfect. Especially when they’re still getting points. Shall we move on to the bullets? Yes, we shall.

Observations and Speculation and Other -tions

-I want everyone to breathe about the goaltending. I’m not going to argue that Nikolai HarveyBirdMan was any good, because he wasn’t. And he wasn’t good against Tampa. But before he’s rolled up into a rug and chucked off the Wabash bridge, let’s try and remember that it was two starts. Two. After Crawford’s first two starts this year, there were plenty who were calling his contract a huge mistake.

Again, not saying Khabby shouldn’t have had two of those goals at least. Or that I’m sure he’ll rebound, because I’m not. And four goals on 22 shots is not pretty. But when those 22 shots have come not even halfway through the game? Well, that’s not on Khabby. And for those already calling for Antti Raanta, he has seven appearances in the AHL. Let’s just pump the brakes a tad, hmmm?

-While Toews’s heroics will shield him from any sort of criticism, he’s hardly been immune to the team-wide shrug that the Hawks are showing at a lot of times toward back-checking. Sure, Zibanejad’s goal resulted from Toews having his stick held somewhat, but it’s not like the legs were pumping for him to get there. That’s not to single out Toews, because he’s hardly alone. Sharp had a nice seat for Michalek’s opener, Saad took a funny angle on a penalty kill, and Seabrook kind of sat in front of Khabby for Corvo’s blast. Seabrook also didn’t bother to win the battle at the red line (and what he was doing at the red line is another story) with Zibanejad that led to his goal that chased Khabibulin.

And this is the thing. I think we’re all going to have to learn how to balance knowing what the Hawks’ game should look like and what the calendar says. We wouldn’t want the Hawks to be on full tilt now. So we can see the problems, and say they’ll be fixed when it matters, and say that with a fair amount of confidence. I guess the time to worry is when it feels like everything has been let go to the point where it can’t be reeled back in.

-Seabrook is the far bigger issue than Khabibulin. That maple leaf meter definitely went down tonight.

-The only Hawk to not register a shot tonight was Brad Mills.

-After much promise in Minny, the Kane-Pirri-Saad line tonight had its struggles, even though Saad was pretty much everywhere. When they get in the defensive zone, it’s an issue. But unlike some of his teammates, Pirri is at least trying in the defensive zone. He’s just not always trying in the right area.

-Kyle Turris was full value for his second star, as he had a very impressive game. So did Zack Smith, which I guess is encouraging because he gets mentioned as a Hawks trade target every year. But he was one of the few Senators who even bothered in his own end.

Eh, that’s enough. It was all silly, and it ended up silly in the right direction. Perhaps we should just enjoy the days off and bask in the goofiness.

 

  • AMR

    Watching the Kings game and on the Kings PP who do I see…. Carcillo. How desperate are the Kings to put Carcillo on the PP. That said they did score to spoil Smith’s shutout bid.

    • rhodes

      And meanwhile, Stalberg (since you brought up ex-Hawks) can’t even get into a game in Nashville. Trotz apparently has some long term development plan that involves playing him on the 4th line or not at all.

      • AMR

        I’m sure he will blame it on Q somehow

        • rhodes

          He can always weep into his 4yr/12 mildo contract.

          • 10thMountainFire

            Is Stals Sergei Krivokrasov?

          • CozBullsFan

            Not even close. Krivokrasov had no respect for the game or his team. Stals did. Sure, he had deficiencies in certain areas of his game. The difference is that those deficiencies of Stals game were not a result of being the most selfish person to play the game. Krivokrasov is a big part of why teams and fans don’t trust Russian players.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Pretty sure if you queried the players/coaches regarding who was the most selfish player on the Hawks last season, Stalberg’s name would have topped the list.

            And that’s probably why Q benched his ass.

            And I call bullshit regarding teams not trusting Russian players due to their selfish playing style. It has to do with the fact no firm player transfer agreement exists between the NHL and KHL. It has nothing, fucking nothing, to do with their play as a nationality. What a broad assumption. Maybe a little less time listening to Don Cherry would help.

            And Krivokrasov was the antithesis of what you are attempting to imply. Average Russian players won’t come to North America to play if they expect to toil in the AHL for any length. They can make much more going straight to the AHL. Mostly only superstars come here now. Again, this has nothing to do with their playing style.

            Krivokrasov spent most of his first 5 seasons in the Hawks minor league system. He did his time. In the NHL, he was an inconsistent player who never played up to draft expectations – the kind of thing that happens every year, regardless of national origin. Kyle Beach would like a word.

            Sergei spent 10 years in the NHL with 5 different teams. He did not return to Russia until after he was demoted permanently to the minors. He played another 6 years in the KHL, prior to retiring.

            Guess where he retired? Denver, CO.

            Fuckin’ Ruskies.

          • Why

            No one said Krivokrasov ran back to Russia at the first opportunity. But 10 years in the NHL with 5 teams is not a sign that you’re well liked by teammates and coaching staffs. And the KHL at the time wasn’t competing for players in the same fashion they are now (I’d have to check, I don’t think they really started getting guys until at least the mid-2000′s).

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            “But 10 years in the NHL with 5 teams is not a sign that you’re well liked by teammates and coaching staffs.”

            So basically Jamal Mayers, right?

            Kriv spent the first half of his career here with the Hawks, and then got a series of 1 yr deals. He played for 4 additional teams in 5 seasons after leaving the Hawks.

            Jamal spent most of his career in St Louis, then got a series of 1 yr deals. He played for 4 additional teams in 5 seasons after leaving the Blues.

            Yeah, I’m sure you think the comparison is absurd, but playing for 5 different teams doesn’t prove squat about whether or not a player was liked by teammates or coaches. There are plenty of journeymen out there whose abilities diminished, or never developed up to expectations.

            Are you sure you guys aren’t thinking of Karpovtsev?

          • Why

            You’re right, I do think the comparison is absurd. Are we really comparing the skill level of Jamal Mayers to Krivokrasov? My view on Jamal was that he turned limited talent (by NHL standards) and hard work into a spot with a lot of teams. Krivokrasov turned a lot of skill into a spot with a lot of teams. Those aren’t similar guys.

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            What makes more sense:

            A. A player works his whole life trying to make the NHL. When he finally is on the cusp of fulfilling his dream, he decides to not give a shit.

            B. Minor league talent does not always translate to NHL talent, and draft picks – even 1st rounders – don’t always pan out. (Eric Lecompte, Ty Jones, Steve McCarthy, Mikhail Yakubov, Adam Munro, Cam Barker, Jack Skille, and Dylan Olsen, along with Beach, now also want a word) Due to 1st round pedigree teams continue to take a low risk chance until it’s painfully obvious the projections were wrong.

            Bottom line: teams think twice about drafting Russians because they fear they won’t show up on NA soil. It’s not because they played here for 10 years but never developed to the hype. Shit like that happens constantly.

            But waste a 1st round pick post cold war on a Russian who doesn’t pan out when the Hawks where oh so close… Fuckin’ Ruskies.

          • Why

            Is it possible that C. exists? Namely, a player can learn enough skills to get a chance in the NHL without developing enough give a shit to be a top level player when he gets there?

          • cliffkoroll

            Oops. Yes, yes I was.

            Fucking Ruskie names!

  • 10thMountainFire

    Seems like a waste of a good rug.

    • Accipiter

      It really tied the room together, did it not ?

      • bizarrohairhelmet

        Why do i have to keep telling you this: Rug pee-ers did not do this?

        • rhodes

          Shut the fuck up, Donny!

          • 10thMountainFire

            No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there’s nothing to be afraid of.

      • 10thMountainFire

        Fuckin’ A.

  • Toews still makes funny faces!

    Sorry Sam,
    This was start #3 for Happytoletthemin. He is posting a awesome 4.74 GAA and a killer 0.818 SV% in 152 min. Once is a mark, twice is a line, three times is a trend. Both the GAA and Opposing S% (18.2) are MORE THAN TWICE what Crow is putting up (2.23 and 8.4% respectively).

    These type of number just cannot have a long shelf life before you go out and get something new to replace them, even if you are not sure what something is.

    • Why

      I’m kind of with Sam on whether it’s too soon to make a definitive call on Khabby. But I think we’re all on the same page in terms of thinking that the first couple of games have not been kind.

    • mightymikeD

      I’m going to (more or less) side with Herr Fels on the Khabibulous issue.. although the stats as quoted by my good friend T(s) MFF are ugly as sin, in any discussion of the numbers the very small sample size has to be factored in. He has, undisputably, been bad but it’s not set in stone that he will remain that way. Demotion to the Rock is hardly what’s called for here: if Raanta (and again, small sample size in the A) can’t cut it in Chicago, where does that leave us?

      That said,Khabbi didn’t disgrace himself while facing a 2nd-Worst in the NHL 32.8 shots per game with the Oil last year so he should be used to it by now!
      He needs to be better and I’m confident he will be. If he’s still this bad come January and/or Crow has played 20 straight by that time, THEN we should be looking at Raanta or the trade deadline.
      Have no fear, my friends: these are great days.

      • zacked

        Small sample size works both ways, though. That .923 was in only 12 games. Over his last 3000 shots (roughly two full seasons worth of work), he’s got a .900 SV%. That is not even backup worthy.

        He’s 41, he’s had back surgery and he’s no stranger to the bottle. It’s not exactly a leap to think he’s done in the NHL.

        My question is, what can they even do with him? It’s a 35+ deal, so if he retires the $1.7 cap hit stays, and you can’t afford Raanta. If they send him to Rockford, the hit is only $825k, and you could fit in Raanta, but would he accept the assignment?

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          Christ. I still just cannot believe we signed him at 2 mil. It doesn’t handcuff us, I know, but it really is a nutty number.

          • Paul the Fossil

            Yea that was one of Stan’s less-defensible decisions. The _upside_ outcome was that if Khabby was turning out to be a solid backup there were other options that would have cost less. And meanwhile the worst-case, which we’re getting thus far, is more problematic than it would be if it was a younger/cheaper backup who was flailing.

          • Z-man19

            I’m wondering if he had to pay Khabi what he did

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            “Had to pay Khabi” as in maybe Stan had a few interesting nights out on the town with Khabi last time he was here?

    • Jim

      Maybe Khabby is a number 1 and needs the reps, maybe he’s getting old and he sux now? I think the next start will be the tell, if he sux again, he’s done.

      The guy in Rockford will not be served sitting on his ass playing every 6th game. He needs the reps also.

      I think Stan should be working the Rolodex, post haste.

    • MattC86

      Lots of goalies have shitty starts to seasons, and that’s when they’re playing a lot. This is a change for Khabi. More importantly, Raanta will not develop playing 20 games in the NHL.

  • bizarrohairhelmet

    Khabi did not look happy going off the ice after the final dagger

    • 10thMountainFire

      I noticed he didn’t really look at Crow coming off the ice. He seemed upset. Maybe it was the four goals on 22 shots.

      • Toews still makes funny faces!

        I am hoping it was because Stan told him “If you suck, you are going to suck in Rock-Vegas not here, show your best TONIGHT!”

        • 10thMountainFire

          Also… you suck.

        • 10thMountainFire

          That ‘you suck’ was for Khabi, not you. You still rule.

          • Toews still makes funny faces!

            I was hoping so! lol

      • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

        Maybe it was the 22 shots in less than two periods? Last year the team D sucked it up big time when the backup was in. This year it’s a shooting gallery.

  • Toews still makes funny faces!

    Has anybody noticed that in Rosizal’s pic on NHL-14 he has a black eye?

    • bizarrohairhelmet

      Well, you did and you’re somebody.

  • M7

    Did anybody else notice that after Ottawa’s last goal (the one that tightened the game to 6-5) Q replaced Pirri at Centre with Shaw? For me that goal was all on Kane for a tape-to-tape pass onto Zack Smith’s stick. Sure, the pass was intended for Pirri but I didn’t see any culpability on him for that one. I hope that wasn’t Q looking for any nit to pick. If so (somehow likely I think) he’s being a bit of a dick.

    EDIT: I should mention that Kane and Saad remained on the ice for the ensuing face off (minus Pirri of course).

    • Why

      I guess. But if you have to shoot a hostage (or switch up a line), it’s probably not going to be Kane. And I’m a little more comfortable with Shaw in a one goal game than Pirri right now.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        I mean, that’s not unreasonable, I just hope that replacing Pirri with Shaw right after the game was just about Q being more comfortable with Shaw on the ice protecting a 1-goal lead in the 3rd as opposed to Q assigning blame for that 5th Sens goal to Pirri. That goal was 100% on Kane, using it as justification to demote Pirri either in the line-up or all of the way out of the line-up would be nuts

        • laaarmer

          What is wrong or unreasonable with Q coaching the team? He thought at the time, based on the situation and players, that Pirri was not his best choice. BFD. The kid missed a shift.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            There is absolutely nothing wrong or unreasonable with Q replacing a rookie with a more experienced player for a a shift in the last 6 minutes of the 3rd while protecting a 1-goal lead. There would however absolutely be something wrong and unreasonable with Q blaming Pirri for that goal because it was 100% on Kane.

          • laaarmer

            That conclusion is a world record for the long jump and is based on what? Did Q say he replaced Pirri for one shift because he was packing for Rockford?

            Also, if Piri gets his dick curled for missing a shift as a rookie, send him packing for Calgary now before he infects anybody else. He is a good player, but he is hardly at a point where he can be a prima donna.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            For my part, I’ve just been trying to figure out if Q’s decision on that next shift was based on a perceived mistake made by Pirri.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            C’mon now laaarmer you’ve completely twisted my words and you know it. Nowhere did I say that Pirri’s removal from that shift was proof that Q has soured on him, nor did I say anything about Pirri getting his dick curled over it. What I said was that there are 2 possible explanations for Q replacing Pirri with Shaw right after that goal, 1 being that he replaced a rookie with a more experienced player for a late 3rd period shift protecting a 1 goal lead and the other being that he assigned Pirri a good chunk of the blame for that last goal. If it’s option 1 that makes a certain amount of sense, if it’s option 2 then I vehemently disagree because that goal was entirely on Kaner. Either way I’m not making any assumptions about how Q feels about Pirri nor about how Pirri reacted to getting sat because I have no fucking clue.

            Also, FWIW, it wasn’t just that one shift – I don’t think I saw Pirri on the ice for the rest of the game (anyone know if I’m wrong about that?). Again, I have no idea if it was about using more experienced players to protect a lead or if Pirri was getting blamed for that last goal, I’m simply making remarking on what I observed.

          • zacked

            It was Pirri’s last shift, but Kane and Saad only had the next shift and one more.

          • Accipiter

            37 did not have another shift.

          • laaarmer

            I am not twisting anything and I did not accuse you of saying Pirri’s dick was twisted/curled.

            You are insinuating that Q benched him and you are in an uproar over it. Nobody should be surprised by this. If Q did bench him for the goal, it’s because he did something he was not supposed to do or did not do something he was supposed to do, OR Q felt that his tendency to do either of the aforementioned was detrimental to the team late in a one goal game. I fail to see what the problem is here. They won the game.

            Pirri appears to be a good player. He helps this team in the situations he is put in. I have no doubt that he will either be traded or see more ice time with added responsibility. If he is a tool and pouts because he was “benched” he will be gone. If he accepts that he needs to develop more and works, Q will allow him some of the rope he gives Kane.

            Either way, missing a shift or two or three is not that big a deal. He’s a rookie and it’s early in the season.

          • Accipiter

            Well ? Is 37′s dick a pigtail or not ?

          • laaarmer

            I hope not. He helps the team.

          • laaarmer

            Watch the replay of the goal. Pirri missed the pass from Kane. Flat out missed the pass. He appears to be looking ahead toward the defenseman and just misses the puck. There is no possible way, unless you are a serious Pirri apologist that the pass was headed for Saad. I would count that as a TO by Pirri that lead to a goal by Ottawa.

          • red palace

            I like those last two sentences there, a lot. And I say that as someone who puts more of the goal on Kane than on Pirri. That’s two D-zone passes leading to goals in the last three games.

            But wait…..won’t the missed shifts damage Pirri’s confidence and make him too afraid to do anything for fear of making a mistake? I have no idea, that’s where the locker room stuff that we never see comes into play. And where I’m inclined to trust the Cup-winning ways of Q and the team leaders.

    • mad-hatter

      Considering after last night’s game against Minnesota Q’s response to that line’s success was: “How they play without the puck and in their own end is how you’re really going to measure that line,” then yeah, I think Q really was looking for something to put on Pirri.

      • The Doctor

        Q is an idiot. Pirri has been solid. No need to punish his for Kane’s mistake.

        • laaarmer

          I went trough this regarding Kane. You better be a great defensive player to play with him right now. However, he was only on the ice for 1 Ottawa goal last night, so they (he and his linemates) did their job.

    • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

      I just did a Control-F on “Pirri” to see if anyone had brought this up. I actually went back and replayed the sequence a few times to see what Pirri did to deserve the benching. I can’t see anything. He does edge toward the boards on the breakout once Kane has control, but it’s hardly a mistake; if Kane just flipped him the puck it gets out safely.

      No clue what was going on here, unless it had to do with the faceoff, but I can’t remember if he won it or not now.

      And I don’t think Kane’s pass was intended for Pirri, because it hits Smith in the chest and drops … I think he was trying to lift it high out of the zone.

      Whole thing’s weird.

      • 1benmenno

        Maybe it’s a set play drilled in practice. Maybe it’s like a timing pass in football. Maybe Kane threw to where Pirri was supposed to be. I’m just trying to make sense of Q’s mind. Not easy.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          I was thinking something similarly, that Pirri was closer to the boards than he was supposed to be. But even then, Kane’s pass ends up in exactly the same place. Mystery. I think it had nothing to do with much of anything. Just a decision.

      • Korab22

        The face-off was downright weird. He won it cleanly and the puck wound up all the way behind the Hawks net from the red line….where Brookbank was promptly muscled off the puck.

        • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

          odd odd odd

    • StealingHappyHour

      I don’t fault Pirri at all for that goal. Kane’s breakout pass way horrendous.

      • laaarmer

        What are you watching?

  • The Doctor

    Man, I guess you and I watched two completely different games.

    Khabi was shit. Don’t justify crap when it’s crap. He was bad. He was bad his last game too. And no, nobody with any bit of intelligence was calling for Crow’s head after his first two games. That would be stupid to do with a guy who just WON YOU THE CUP.

    Brad Mills was great, shots on goal or not. He’s earning his place.

    Kane was more responsible for his line not producing than any of his line mates. Saad and Pirri were solid.

    Raanta now is probably better than Khabi in his prime. At least you get some consistency with Raanta. Nobody is calling for him to play, but with the way Khabi has been playing, there may not be any other option, unless you want a fatigued Crow starting in the playoffs.

    PK still sucks ass.

    • The Doctor

      That’s not to say Kane was bad.

      • thepuckstopshere

        Or lazy!

    • DesertHawk

      Yeah the tone of the ToS about Crow right now is kinda pissing me off. Oh, well.

      • MySpoonIsTooBig

        Honestly, I’m more upset by the tone of the discussion about Seabrook. I’ll admit that he’s not in top form, but the level of criticism he’s receiving here is simply not on par with his play. Disregarding players who have played fewer than 5 games (i.e. Morin and Hayes, who have great metrics but in admittedly limited and sheltered minutes), Seabs is 2nd on the team in both Corsi on and Corsi relative behind on Keith, and among all defensemen in the league who have played at least 5 games he’s 6th in Corsi on (he’s actually listed 7th on behindthenet.ca, but Brent Burns is #1 and he’s playing forward this year). While Oduya and Hjammer are playing tougher competition than Keith and Seabs, the only player on the team who’s played with lower quality teammates than Marlboro 72 is Pirri. Add in the fact that Seabrook’s PDO is an abysmal 953, and it all paints a picture of someone who is playing pretty damn well but has been struck by some bad luck which is absolutely not the tone the ToS has been taking with Seabs.

        • MattC86

          We shit on both #7 and #2 here a lot, because we’ve seen, at various times, both of them play consistent stretches worthy of being a Top 5 NHL defenseman. So when they don’t live up – and who could, all the time (anybody see how many goals Eriksson caused tonight in his own end)?

          What I don’t get about the anti-Seabs attitude right now is that we just saw him playing dump-in-pants for the better part of a shortened season, and this isn’t it. Trust me. He’s made some mistakes but this is hardly March 2013 performance.

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            Eriksson … he’d be a third-pairing guy more often than not, if not a 7th man, if it wasn’t for that insane skating and puck-handling on the rush. But ya, he looked like garbage as a proper d-man.

          • Z-man19

            the dude can skate though, holy mother

          • laaarmer

            Who do you want?
            Suter or Eriksson
            Doughty or Eriksson
            Chairah or Eriksson
            Keith or Eriksson
            Weber or Eriksson
            Oduya or Eriksson, even (exit stage right!)

          • Z-man19

            can I take 6 of those guys? If I’m picking for this Hawks team, in most cases I’m not picking Eriksson, well maybe half the time.

          • laaarmer

            I woudn’t take him over any of these guys except possibly Doughty.

            even.

          • 2883

            I’d have to think about taking him over Oduya…

          • lizmcneill

            What about Leddy? To me he looks like Leddy with more skill and even less awareness of life behind his own blue line.
            I’d take him over Leddy, I think. Over Oduya it would be mostly age-based – he has a decade on Oduya to maybe learn some defense.

          • Why

            Leddy is a fifth or sixth d-man right now. Eric Karlsson gets brought up as a Norris trophy candidate. I kind of agree with you here, but the fact that “I’d take him over Leddy, I think” is a perfectly reasonable response to Karlsson makes me wonder about Karlsson.

          • 2883

            Karlsson is like Mike Green with better defensive skills.

          • 1benmenno

            Heavens to murgatroid, you’ve gone all Snagglepuss.

          • 2883

            For the Blackhawks? I’d take any of those players for the Hawks, the Hawks need a 2nd pt dman so they can move Sharp down low on the PP. Which would make the PP so much better. PP w/ Soupy >> PP w/o Soupy

          • Korab22

            i’ll take the bear.

          • zacked

            Am I missing a joke or is there some shared delusion about Erik Karlsson’s name?

          • laaarmer

            I’m talking about Karl Eriksson, son of Erik the boat builder

          • http://www.lotsofbutterplease.com/ I am not Chico Maki

            HA! I just read it above and it sunk in as fine. Evidence I’m a doofus.

          • MattC86

            Nope, I’m just a moron.

          • Joe Banks

            you can’t say that!

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Eriksson can skate and pass and shoot like few others, but holy mother of god is he terrible at defending. Just for example Toews’ 2nd goal, while a beautiful play, simply does not happen if Eriksson doesn’t turn his back on Toews and get caught puck-watching.

            There was a moment in the 3rd period where, just inside the Blackhawks defensive zone, Eriksson got straight-up juked out of his skates by Brandon Bollig – that had me rolling on the floor laughing, and was the perfect encapsulation of Eriksson’s ability to defend…

          • lizmcneill

            That was golden.

    • Why

      Lot of good stuff tonight too.

      Hossa-Toews-Sharp were on the ice for four goals. And the thing that both Hossa and Toews mentioned after the game was that they left a couple out there. And they’re right.

      Crawford made a couple of key stops when a goal against would have been disastrous.

      Seabrook and Keith were fine. Oduya and Hjammer were fine. Brookbank looks like a viable option as a sixth defenceman. Leddy looked downright dangerous at times on rushes.

      Q could roll Bollig-Kruger-Mills (a line I’d expect to be the Hawk’s weakest) generally without incident.

      Look it was a tough outing from the backup goaltender. When you can accurately describe a game as looking like the 80′s, it’s a bad sign for the guy between the pipes. In comparison to the guys today, goalies in the 80′s had newspapers for pads. It was a perfect night to quit when it looked like they weren’t getting a lot of bounces. Instead, they took the fight to Anderson and won the game in the Ottawa crease.

      • Paul the Fossil

        Agree with a lot of that. But from the second row of the 300 level I’d have to quarrel with “Seabrook and Keith were fine.” Seabs had several misadventures, and Keith made a rec-league-level mistake which led directly to an Ottawa goal.

    • mightymikeD

      I’m not looking to pick a fight, my friend. but I think you may just be venting a little frustration here..

      “Raanta now is probably better than Khabi in his prime”

      Based on what? There is absolutely no standard by which to judge a goalie who has played in Europe and a handful of AHL games against an NHL veteran with 798 games and a Cup ring? No doubt that Khabibulous is so far past his prime that it’s smaller than the cop in his rearview mirror, but lets not be hasty!

      A year without some semblance of GOALIE CONTROVERSY would be nice..

      • Z-man19

        no goalie controversy? That’s like saying we are skipping Christmas this year, UNPOSSIBLE

        • mightymikeD

          DEAR SANTA I HAVE BEEN VERRY VERRY GOOD AND DID NOT KIK MY BROTHER WEN HE WAS HAPPY THE WILD WON AND CAN I HAV A NEW GOALIE AND A FRIEND FOR MY NEW GOALIE AND FRANKIE AT SCOOL SAYS THAT YOU ARE REALLY MY DAD BUT THATS NOT TRUE I BELIEVE AND ALSO FIRE Q

          • Z-man19

            heh. What happened to Geraldine’s smirk after Monday night?

          • mightymikeD

            he was actually laughing through the tears at some spectacular outbursts of meathead “DAT PORSSERER PLAY DA GAME WIT GRIT AN IS MEEN MY FRENTS” among the Wild fanbase

      • cliffkoroll

        I don’t get your last sentence. Ray Emery was never a serious contender, and neither is Habib Urine. And Crow won a Cup and signed a big contract. By my reckoning, we’re in year 3 of ‘no goalie controversy’ territory.

        This is all about backup goaltending, cap space, and not giving away the 20-25 games where Crow is not in net.

        It’s like you’re concerned that if the backup is not complete dogshit, the whispering will start. Maybe you secretly have less faith in Crow than I do.

        • mightymikeD

          notice the words “Some Semblance” and the use of ALL CAPS.
          It wouldn’t be the Hawks if some aspect of the goaltending wasn’t keeping people up nights.

          • cliffkoroll

            Fair enough. I would draw a distinction between ‘goalie controversy’ and ‘goalie scrutiny’. The former has not existed since Turco showed he has washed up.

            I suspect what you really want is none of the latter. Which is nuts. The position of goalie is extremely high profile. This is not a Hawks thing, it’s a hockey thing.

            Look, Toews was a fucking monster last night. But Sam is within his rights to point out a defensive lapse. I got no problem with that.

            There is a contingent that brooks no criticism of Crow. And when he has a good game, which is what we should expect, people come around and comment to this effect and collect all the lemming upboats. It’s a weird dynamic, IMO.

          • laaarmer

            look out for that cliff!

            Get it? Lemming.

          • mightymikeD

            shurely downboats for lemmings?

            anyway, I know that no goalie situation can ever be perfect and I don’t expect it to be. My beef is with the over-reaction to Khabbi’s performance. yes, he’s been poor, no he shouldn’t be headed to Rockford.

          • Bullitt315

            If our backup is good, everybody in Chicago (hyperbole) wants him to take over the starting job. If the backup isn’t good (85% of nhl teams) the end is nigh.

          • DesertHawk

            Who’s the crowd that brooks no criticism?

          • cliffkoroll

            Good question. Follow the link for a recent example:

            http://thecommittedindian.com/80s-revival-sens-5-hawks-6/#comment-1101966314

          • DesertHawk

            That’s brooking no criticism? I’m fairly certain I’ve criticized Crow myself. I can play the link game too. http://thecommittedindian.com/kneel-down-ye-sinners-to-streetwise-religion-wild-5-hawks-3/#comment-1098216118 and here http://thecommittedindian.com/third-period-thread-wild-vs-hawks/#comment-1098095882
            I said he had a bad game a few other times in that comment section as well. I will admit that I’m the biggest Crawford homer here, but I definitely don’t disallow criticism of him.

        • Bullitt315

          How many people were calling for Emery to start after Crow gave up 5 against the B’s? I think it was a significant number. And unless you think Crow is Mikka Kiprusoff in his prime and want him to start 70+ games, Q is going to have to start his backup once every five games or so. Do I think Khabi was good? No. But I’m sick of the Q is an idiot for starting him meme. He has to play him sometimes and considering we haven’t lost in regulation when he starts and he’s starting him against Eastern teams where the points matter less, I think Q has handled him pretty well. (If Crow makes the next two starts that puts Khabi at 1 start every 5 games and 1/5 games is a 66 game season for crow)

          • cliffkoroll

            Dafuq? Did I say anything about Q?

            I defy you to produce any evidence from anyone above amoeba-level intelligence who ever called for Razor to take the cage from Crow, even when Crow was pissing hisself against Phoenix.

          • Bullitt315

            “anyone above amoeba-level intelligence” That’s a big qualifier but they were there. I’ll go find some comments later. The Q thing was a general comment not directed at you. I didn’t feel like posting 2 different comments.

          • Z-man19

            Bullitt is correct, there were several people here wanting Ray Ray to start. I can’t say anything about their IQ level

          • laaarmer

            They are amoebas I tell you. AMOEBAS!

          • Z-man19

            my couch has similar thoughts about me

          • Joe Banks

            I’m gonna make like an AMOEBA and split!

          • cliffkoroll

            Yeah, I understand a cardinal virtue for the 21st century is to be utterly indiscriminate. If you can’t separate the wheat from the chaff, just listen to me.

        • MySpoonIsTooBig

          Intelligent hockey fans that know better knew that Emery was never a serious contender to take Crow’s starting job, but there’s a lot of unintelligent idiots out there. There were plenty of calls for Ray M. Murray to start, particularly as Bullit315 points out after the game 5 shootout against the B’s. Hell, somebody who should really actually know better even gave Emery a 1st place vote for the Vezina over Crow!

          • mightymikeD

            Journalists are mad for booze. Pass it on.

          • MySpoonIsTooBig

            Skinner says the teachers are gonna crack any minute purple monkey dishwasher

        • Why

          Agree Cliff, but I read the initial comment in a different way. Anyone saying Raanta is better now than Khabby was in his prime is creating a goalie controversy by being very, very over the top.

      • Why

        Agree 100% on this.

    • MySpoonIsTooBig

      Gotta agree with you for the most part. There were some defensive breakdowns, sure, but Khabi was complete and utter shit. For the 2nd game in a row he allowed at least 4 goals, and for the 2nd crap outing in a row there is not a single one in the bunch which you could reasonably say he had no chance at. Anyone defending Khabibulin – don’t even try telling me that your ass cheeks weren’t clenched tight enough to turn a lump of coal into a diamond every time the Senators directed a shot anywhere close to the net. A goalie has to be able to bail his defense out from time to time, but with Khabi on the ice any time there’s even the slightest error it seems to end up in the back of the net.

      That said, though personally I’m ready to throw in the towel on Khabi I don’t think that Raanta is the solution right now nor do I know who is. Yes Raanta has gotten off to a great start in the AHL, but 7 games is nowhere near enough time to judge him (yes, I see the irony in that while being ready to give up on Khabi after 3). Quite frankly, even if you think he is the real deal it would still be far better for him for now to continue developing in Rockford where he’ll play starters minutes than to sit behind Crow in Chicago and only play every 4th or 5th game. If the ‘Hawks were to make a change at backup, and that’s still a big if right now, I don’t think it’ll be Raanta just yet.

  • Sparky_The_Bard-barian

    Perhaps we could just place the empty Vodka bottles in the crease and have an improvement?

    Kudos to Captain Enough Of This Shit. Can’t wait to see the highlights when we get home from Blighty tonight.

  • cliffkoroll

    I dunno. Listening to Q’s post-game presser, it sounds like Happy Booby is on very thin ice.

    Also, that was some serious TWTW out there tonight. But I guess anything short of 60 minutes of complete domination draws meh reviews from fans with sufficiently high standards.

    • Z-man19

      I’m with you on Q’s presser. I got the sense that Q wanted to say ‘yeah, that was hot dog shit from Khabi and if he wants to see the ice, he needs to remove his head from his ass’. Then again, maybe that’s just what I would have said and I”m putting thoughts in Q’s mind.

  • laaarmer

    Yeah, that Seabrook sucks.

    • cliffkoroll

      Heh. Looks like the foot is on the other hand now, eh? Enjoy. Once these memes get a head of steam, they’re difficult to derail.

      • laaarmer

        But I am being fecetious/ironic/sarcastic/assholish.

        He doesn’t suck. He, like Kane, is likely trying to do too much. It’s early in the season, but not real early, and if he plays like this the rest of the season, he is a solid D man. If he improves, so much better for the team.

        • cliffkoroll

          I’m insulted that you think I didn’t understand your sarcasm. I have a good memory, and I’m very familiar with your Seabrook boner.

          Reread my comment with the proper understanding, and my meaning will pop out, like one of those 3-D picture books. I’m being very meta right now.

          • laaarmer

            Sorry, I was being ironical for you.

  • SuperHawk27

    I’m glad I only caught the 3rd period….

    • Z-man19

      Besides the shitty goaltending, the entire game was pretty damn entertaining, if you like a track meet type of hockey game. WAY better than watching the Hawks play the Preds or some other trap team.

      • SuperHawk27

        Don’t get me wrong, I would have loved to sit at the local watering hole and watch the whole game. I’m glad I only got to watch the best part of the game, and didn’t have to watch Harvey Birdman play Ole with the puck…

        I hate trap teams. They need to make that crap illegal. Was it the Lightning-Flyers game where the Flyers D wouldn’t move the puck because the Lightning wouldn’t forecheck at all? That was funny…

        • 1benmenno

          I read on some blog (can’t recall which one) that the Blackhawks employ a trap. That was news to me.

          • zacked

            They do. Not all the time, but certain lines or when holding a lead they use a 1-2-2.

          • Paul the Fossil

            Which I have no problem with if it’s one arrow in the tactical quiver. That’s why I don’t favor trying to actually ban traps — any team sport is most interesting to follow when it has a chess-match aspect to it. What was so damned boring and caused to me to pass up on free NHL game tickets in the late 90s was teams that did nothing _but_ trap and could win that way.

          • SuperHawk27

            I hate comparing hockey to Basketball, but the Illegal Defense and the 3 second lane violation helped speed up the tempo and scoring…which made the game more entertaining. If they made it Illegal to have all 5 players behind Center Ice while the defense had clear possession that would be a starting point. I haven’t completely thought it through, but something along those lines would make the trap obsolete.

          • zacked

            I don’t think you can make a rule like that, because if you’re far enough away, forechecking is a bad play. Imagine you come on a line change, the opposing d-man has the puck and is already past his own dots. Trying to forecheck there is just guaranteeing that you’re out of position when he passes it before you can even close down.

  • laaarmer

    Why are some of you so concerned with Pirri missing a shift? It’s like you are parents of a youth player. This is an NHL team that plays to win. That is their job. Do any of you Pirri boohooers remember Kane being sat by Q? It happened.

    • zacked

      Rec for helicopter fans.

    • lizmcneill

      It’s more what it bodes for Pirri’s slot in the lineup in the games to come. It wasn’t just Q shortening his bench in the last 5 of a one-goal game; Morin was out twice in that timespan.

      It’s made worse by the fact it was all or mostly on Kane, not Pirri. And remember Shaw as a rookie? He wasn’t the most defensively responsible, but Q allowed him loads of rope and time to learn. And now that I think about it, I haven’t noticed any egregious defensive lapses from him this year, from his quotes and the way he’s playing he’s actually using his brain re playing on the edge rather than over it, and he and Bollig are now apparently the third PK unit (lol’ing forever but yay for Bollig showing usefulness). So I’d like to see Pirri be given the same chances and not slotted back with Bollig and Mills/Smith or returned to the rock.

      • ballyb11

        Q has won 2 Cups in a short time span.

        • 10thMountainFire

          Chocolate cake makes people happy.

      • laaarmer

        I m adding a still of the moment when the turnover occurs. It’s a hot pass from Kane, but Pirri should be able to get it (as I have said before). Kane is in good position, but Pirri is way to close to Kane. If he is 3 feet farther away, our convo never happens because Kanes pass is right where he would be. I am also questioning Saad here as he is flying the zone a bit early in the situation, but I doubt he could have stopped Smiths shot. It is not 100% Pirris fault, by any means, but his positioning is off and I’ll bet that is Q’s issue. They will review it, and Pirri will understand the difference between a good AHL player and a good NHL player is these little things. They won, so this should be a positive for the team. Teaching tool.

        • MattC86

          It looks like it hits a stick or skate and the trajectory of the pass changes. (Note, I’ve only watched in real time). Pirri is expecting it on the stick (it’s a short pass) and it looks like it deflects ahead of him, out of his reach on Smith’s stick.

          • MattC86

            With that still, does not look like it was deflected, so I’ll shut it.

        • zacked

          The pass is deflected by Chris Neil. It was a bad pass, not a bad reception.

          • laaarmer

            He makes the reception if he is in his correct position. However, I’m done with this convo.

            All hail Brandon Pirri!

          • zacked

            I’m not defending Pirri, I’m just saying you’re wrong.

            The “correct” position would be two feet more to the center, and after the deflection the pass wasn’t headed that direction anymore.

          • laaarmer

            OK now I’m not done. If Mr Pirri is not sucking to the puck, which you can see he is, Kane’s pass, deflected or not, goes right to his correct position. Imagine that, Kane made a nice pass, right where his linemate is supposed to be , but lookee, his linemate is not there. We can’t blame Handzus for being too slow here, and the annointed one is the guy out of position, so we’ll say Kaner fucked up and made an errant pass to a guy out of position. There. That’s easy.

            Also, a defensively responsible 2C would understand that Smith is in a dangerous position. Kane and Brookbank have Neil outnumbered, so it is not necessary for Pirri to be that close. He is also ahead of Kane, which is also not correct.

            But hey, It’s not Handzus.

          • lizmcneill

            You can’t say Kaner is a defensive disaster and then put all the blame on Pirri. Pick one.

          • laaarmer

            Yes I can on this play!

            BTW – Can you read? I’m betting you can, it’s just selective.
            “It is not 100% Pirris fault, by any means, but his positioning is off and I’ll bet that is Q’s issue.”

            Smith makes a good play here. He went to a good defensive position and the turnover came right to him. Goal.

            Kane is a defensive disaster so far this season, and that is compounded by the rookie being almost as bad on this play.

            word.

          • cliffkoroll

            nobody puts laaarmer in a corner.

        • lizmcneill

          I still think it’s more on Kaner. Also, was Leddy caught puck-gazing? He and Saad could both do with being a couple feet to our left.

          • Z-man19

            I’m going with laaarmer on this one. Pirri is too close to Kane for starters he’s gotta get his stick on that puck. It almost looks like Pirri thought the pass was to someone else. Either way, laaarmer is right, there are worse things than Pirri riding some pine, IF that is the reason he missed a shift and got moved off that line.

        • cliffkoroll

          Where’s Campoli?

          • Joe Banks

            Burn!

      • ChicagoNativeSon

        Remember Leddy’s rookie season?

        He’d be on the bench after intermission all unkempt, skate on one foot, shoe on the other. Poor kid thought games ended after 2 periods.

      • Why

        If I want to roll three lines at the end, I chose 3 of the following four centres: Toews, Kruger, Shaw and Pirri.

        If I want to roll three lines at the end, I chose 6 of the following eight wingers: Sharp, Kane, Hossa, Saad, Bickell, Morin, Mills and Bollig.

        I can see why Morin plays and Pirri doesn’t.

        • lizmcneill

          He had Kruger’s line out, and he had Shaw’s line out plus Shaw-Kane-Saad.

          • Why

            Fair enough. But it still leaves the basic idea.

            Pirri missed one shift so we could play Kruger, Shaw or Toews one shift more in a one goal game. I’m with the coach.

    • MattC86

      Are people really bent out of shape that he didn’t play much in the last 5 minutes of a one-goal game? Are they surprised?

      • laaarmer

        See below: They are miffed.

        • MattC86

          They should not be. The line is Pirri, Kane, Saad – they’re not going to be out there (well, Saad will be with different linemates) much in the last 5 of a one goal game. . . never see somebody bitching that Kaner missed a shift, which he definitely has in these situations.

        • Z-man19

          Can I be befuddled? I don’t like miffed

          • laaarmer

            You may be befuddled if you choose, but keep in mind your reputation may be besmirched for such a stance.

          • 1benmenno

            Now you sound like Alfy Gator.

          • laaarmer

            I’m not really trying, even

          • Z-man19

            which besmirches me less, befuddled or miffed?

          • laaarmer

            Can you be less besmirched?
            cliff?

          • Z-man19

            he’s busy sorting wheat from chaff

          • cliffkoroll

            Yes. There are degrees of besmirchedness.

            In answer to your question, Z, it’s kinda subjective. What besmircheth one more: being perceived as a grumpy asshole or a blithering idiot? Tough call.

          • Z-man19

            Just so long as I”m not perceived as a blithering, grumpy, idiotic asshole, I can deal with the besmirching

          • ChicagoNativeSon

            Well, if you complained about a blithering asshole, I’d suggest seeing a doctor (it might be what’s causing the lisp).

          • 10thMountainFire

            That is a fucking Hall of Fame comment.

          • laaarmer

            I’m right here!

          • 10thMountainFire

            Laaarms, I love you… but CSN’s comment was hilarious.

          • Z-man19

            have I sullied your reputation?

    • 10thMountainFire

      I don’t even know what is going on here.

  • lizmcneill

    Was anyone else convinced that Toews was getting that hatty as soon as he scored his second (third) goal? He’s so great.

    • 1benmenno

      yes, but I dared not speak its name.

      • lizmcneill

        Remember the hard-hat hatty? Captain will not let the officials do him out of his hats!

        • Joe Banks

          That was awesome! – They never did hard hat night again, did they?

          • ericthered

            Nope, they did not. Too bad they lost that game.

  • 1benmenno

    A radio DJ in Ontari-ari-o impersonated Gordon Lightfoot today, singing of the “Wreck of the Ottawa Senators.”

  • Country_Bumpkin

    I’d imagine Q gives Khabby-bullshit about 2-3 more starts until he is given the hook. Running Crow into the ground is just not an option seeing how he needs to be peaking when the Hawks defend the cup against some shit team from the East.
    How many more games until Ray-Ray starts for the shit-sack Flyers?

  • Bobby Otter

    Which jersey would be more ironic: Yakubov or Vorobiev?

    • VanDorp’sMullet

      Karpotsev.